>>43656028
because its mostly pointless bad for gigahons but thats who terfs target anyway but for the rest of transgenders who have some feminine features terfs wont be able to tell

>>43656028
yea
it died out pretty quick, we all knew it was coming and not much to say on it ig

>>43656195
at least its gonna be funny when cishons (which is like 99% of mumsnet who are the biggest retards pushing this shit) get caught up in this shit and told to gtfo of female toilets

>>43656028
I still do not understand what sex now legally means in the UK?
You have that certificate thing and you can change your sex on your birth certificate but somehow you are legally different? How does that work? That does not seem to hold up at all.
Moreover there is no definition of what biological sex is. Chromosomes? Did every single human in the UK go through such a test?

>>43657239
Honestly it's win win
t. homosexual male

>>43657251
sex is legally what the doctor wrote down when you were born
even if you change all your documents they will insist it was different when you were born so that's what sex you are
there's no actual medical basis, like chromosomes or genitals. They'll just assume the doctor wrote whatever it is they want it to be to be allowed to discriminate against you

>>43657256
You gangsta until it gets applied to male toilets and some schizo accuses you of being a pooner

>>43657305
I'll be super sad when that happens, I'm sure.

>>43657251
Yeah it basically means that the GRC is completely useless because organizations literally aren't allowed to discriminate based on gender identity in the place of assigned sex.

>>43657305
Nobody actually cares about poons enough to do that, though

>>43657296
I do not understand. Let's say I am trans, get the certificate and then change my sex on the birth certificate, then it would say female.
How would anyone be able to tell it used to be different? And if they claim it was male, I can just show them the one I have and point out it is female?
Like I do not understand how someone is supposed to prove that I changed it, it is after all private information that no one has any right to even check?
And if they have a notice somewhere that says "this field on the birth certificate was changed", is this then not discrimination itself?
I just truly do not understand the legal mechanism behind all of this

>>43657368
>get the certificate and then change my sex on the birth certificate
none of your legal documents actually matter, the code of practice is essentially centered around how well you pass. if you don't pass and you're afab _and_ you have a female reproductive system _and_ you were assumed to be trans and excluded, you could probably mount a legal case based on your medical records and some sort of a karyotype test to assert that you're indeed "biologically female", but yeah, that's kinda the absurd thing about the guidance. it says that documents are not a reliable indicator of biological sex and can be largely disregarded.

>>43657453
>you could probably mount a legal case based on your medical records and some sort of a karyotype test to assert that you're indeed "biologically female"
this explicitly excludes trans men by the way, so you would also likely be required to prove that you're _not_ a trans man. so if you're a cis woman with a beard from an extreme case of PCOS, then you cannot be excluded. but if you're a trans man, you can be excluded. but again, none of this has been tested in court, it'd be fascinating how that would play out if a cis woman in that situation actually ended up suing. it's all a bit silly because there's so many absurd outcomes that this code of practice leads to if you essentially don't cleanly fall into either male or female gender binary and it opens doors to all sorts of litigation. it's also a very clear case of lookism but i guess the gist of the code of practice is that it's meant to protect and cater to the 95% of the general population who are gender conforming (this includes most "cis woman with pronouns" types as they're often extremely gender conforming as well beyond being quirky)

>>43657580
actually, the intention here is two-fold most likely -
a). this is meant to stop the 95% of the general population who is gender conforming from being made to feel slightly uncomfortable by the presence of people who may be gnc (or just really unfortunate looking)
b). more importantly, this is explicitly meant to appease the anti-trans lobby in the uk by essentially fully caving into their demands. it is not clear why labour is doing this because this is not a vote winner with their actual base. my guess is that labour feels like they need to cater to the anti-trans lobby because so many of anti-trans figures actually occupy high-level editorial positions at various british media outlets, and the british media is notoriously transphobic. current labour leadership likely feels that they need the favour of the media establishment to have any chance of re-election in 2029, despite alienating a large part of their core voter base with the same policies

>>43656028
my worry now is that they'll push the sex matters line of "transition ceases to be a desireable outcome in the face of [wider social exclusion]"

>>43656028
>women's rights to segregated spaces that exclude a specific group
notice how this is very different from actual civil rights activism
women used to fight to get into traditionally male spaces, like the voting booth, military, factory and office. why are they now doing the opposite?

Every single trans person i know is suicidal. I say this to normies, some shrug, some laugh.

Everyone's defeated, we have no energy left. We all know they're going to criminalise being trans, the mask is 100% off now. Everyones stressed with life as it is, this will lead to more deaths

>>43656195
you do realise that mentally ill cissies are learning to clock people based on FFS results, right?

>>43657251
its like every other legal term in the UK, it means what those in power over you want it to mean in the moment

>>43658140
because feminism has always been a womens entitlements movement first, and a womans rights movement second. just look at what happened to the lesbian feminists, to the black feminists, etc. its all about privilege for the majority, and misery for the minority.

>>43658012
this literally wont matter because post-TERFs pushing AGP/HSTS and the notion that taking estrogen cant make you female, literally every single femme twink is either now on estrogen or has acquired the look of someone who very much intends to be on estrogen eventually. newfigs wont know this, but back in the day the threat of becoming a woman was *the* thing that femme twinks kicked and screamed about at the merest hint of taking estrogen for their problems, and the desire to make twinks into women utterly destroyed the old 4chan twink/trap shared culture of the early 2010s.

>this pass is currently in use by another IP
JUST STICK A FUCKING AUTH TOKEN ON ME OR SOMETHING GOD

>>43659368
that's just liberal, bourgeois feminism
feminism is still worthwhile
liberal, bourgeois politics ruins everything

>>43660264
>liberal, bourgeois politics ruins everything
this is almost the entirety of western politics, and if you hope to escape it youre delusional

>>43656028
What's there to say. If you haven't left the UK yet it's probably because you can't afford it and are stuck and i'm sorry for those girls.

>>43661270
Yeah im fucked. Its over.

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has anyone also noticed, the media is excessively quiet on the issue after months of transphobic sable rattling... almost like they want normies to think its a nothingburger
>>43658930
state sanctioned gaslighting will continue with dignity and respect until you self terminate
>>43659509
>this literally wont matter because post-TERFs pushing AGP/HSTS and the notion that taking estrogen cant make you female
different problem, it plays into their favor but they never considered us women anyways let alone medically
to quote the ghoulish letter in picrel:
>[But] passing as the opposite sex ceases to be a desirable goal to present to children when they will never be permitted to use spaces or services for the opposite sex, and may in future be restricted in employment in roles such as police officer or nurse...
ik it's wrt. GIDS and trans kids but 100% this'll get extrapolated to adult care
getting to this point was always their goal, the reason i mentioned what i did and think it's significant is it could or likely will (considering how obvious the playbook is) lead to transition being banned outright and replaced with state sanctioned conversion therapy, no leeway or tolerance offered in all aspects of life, back to the 60s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeBwniFDDK4
>/b/ trap culture
yea ik i was here for the tail end of it, they call themselves 'hrt femboys' today and still get really angry if you suggest they're transexual
it's almost as if there's a difference between a twink (youthful effeminate man) and a 'twink' who goes out of his way in every aspect to try and 'trick' people into perceiving him as a woman, especially straight men...

>>43656028
As a non-brit I will await finn and icky’s take on the matter. They don’t seem too bothered.

>>43658140
>why are they now doing the opposite?
Because they don’t want to be around trans women. Pretty straightforward I think. It’s not like you need some ideological basis to do things

>>43662341
Well I don't want niggers or females voting.

>>43662306
>They don’t seem too bothered.

Yeah being super rich tends to have that effect

>>43662235
They deleted the threads on r/unitedkingdom because it was explaining how it will harm cis women.

I mean, I've read the sex matters (formerly named marriage matters) website, they've stated for years that the end goal is exclusion of trans people from all spaces, cis heteronormative and queer spaces, they were open about it on their website

The first EqHRC stated that if a business discriminates against a cis woman, under the belief they are trans, then that's lawful and not grounds for a discrimination case. The latest guidance goes even further and states that documents mean nothing, so even if a cis woman shows her passport, the business can exclude and again no legal recourse.

Its the most extreme ban anywhere in the western world, and is very draconian. The establishment clearly want this passed and are pulling strings to ensure it happens. I guess that anon that posted here before was right

>>43662571
You can go and do politics based on these ideas, organize with likeminded people! Crazy right

>>43662633
it's a witch hunt charter, it's purposefully unreasonable so they can push the line that we're unreasonable for simply existing, that if they got rid of us then the issues (that they manufactured/caused mind you) would go away
choosing toilets as a wedge is strategic in that it sounds unreasonable to argue against too, same line of thinking with the OSA and 'protecting children' narrative - how can we sound reasonable around this subject to cissoids poisoned and primed with TERF dogwhistles, it's been manufactured in a way to frame us as perverts for simply arguing against the ruling
>The establishment clearly want this passed and are pulling strings to ensure it happens.
i do wonder what's happening behind the scenes, there's a disturbing amount of political lockstep in the west towards certain interests...
these past few years everything feels kafkaesque

>>43662766
>cissoids poisoned and primed with TERF dogwhistles

The most insane thing is how they made eugenics mainstream. Using someones "genetics" to invalidate their humanity. The funny part is every time I've explained this to normies, they understood it. They are in shock. Even had some apologise once they realise what they've said.

>>43656028
Repeal the Equality act.

>>43662766
>it's a witch hunt charter, it's purposefully unreasonable so they can push the line that we're unreasonable for simply existing, that if they got rid of us then the issues (that they manufactured/caused mind you) would go away

Yeah, suspiciously similar to what KKKRowling and Lineham spoke about a few months back. This has been planned for a while.

Remember, they are ultra conservatives, they Gilead, they hate personal autonomy and freedom, and the far right is a great way to argue against personal freedom.

Remember, when covid was around and these same normies screamed about not taking the vaccine, within a few years they've swallowed the propaganda that their autonomy is bad lol.

Ultimately most of the public do want this, they want an excuse to harass others, whilst feeling morally superior.

>>43662766
The solution is visibility.

Saw a youtube video of that moron who walks around Manchester, filming and fighting the homeless. He filmed a young girl speaking at a lgbt rally, she said "im no threat to anyone, i just want to be left alone", and the comments were along the lines of "i didnt realise trans people were people, i think she should be in womens obviously" etc.

Most brits have never spoken to a trans person at any length, even if they may have used facilities at the same time and not known.

So they key is visibility. Now, the problem with visibility is that you have to be visible, and thats not easy

>>43662894
She was pretty and passing, I’m guessing?

>>43662915
It was a Charlie Vietch video, i just remembered his name.

Yeah she was pretty and passing. Which is a good thing, we need more passoids to speak up, to go to rallys. I understand how it is, to blend into society, why its important.

But i think we're at the stage where that isnt enough, they're coming for all of us regardless. They're coming for butch lesbians and anyone GNC.

They could've done *anything*. They could have said, ok all passports reverted, all birth certificate changes banned. But they didnt. They said documents mean nothing.

The reason they did that is so GNC people are all targetted. Thats their goal. If they revert passports, then a butch lesbian with a passport can challenge back. Now they cant challenge back. They are truly odious people behind this

>>43662791
>The funny part is every time I've explained this to normies, they understood it. They are in shock. Even had some apologise once they realise what they've said.
that's a shock to hear lol, are you sure it wasn't just lip service?
>>43662805
>Ultimately most of the public do want this, they want an excuse to harass others, whilst feeling morally superior.
agreed, fed up pretending that most people are 'good people' or come in good faith
most people still don't like gay men for example, especially when it comes to public displays of affection
tolerance != acceptance, fag bashing is one prime minister away from being mainstream again, in light of coordinated efforts to redefine hate crime, due process, civility, etc (almost as if in anticipation of a reform/restore gov...)
>>43662894
im visible as in - i pass visually but my voice is damaged, on a good day i can voicepass
i've shared my lived experience and perspectives with everyone present in my life, it's done naught in my experience
i tend not to anymore since it's really upsetting and distressing being gaslit about reality and your own existence, people pull that 'one of the good ones' rhetoric yet still tell me to my face they see me as a gay man, a third sex, an aesthetic, not a woman, that i need to put up with it, that it's done in good faith, that it's not *that* bad, that it's reasonable concerns
i really firmly believe people don't care until the chickens come home to roost, because that's all i've experienced in the 9 years i've been at it

>>43662990
>that's a shock to hear lol, are you sure it wasn't just lip service?

Some normies are still aghast at being labelled racist, that is changing, but its still not mainstream acceptable to be openly racist. You can hear Reform councillors speak in dogwhistles, but we're still not at the point where a bank or office policy would talk about race the way they talk about trans people.

>>43662990
>agreed, fed up pretending that most people are 'good people' or come in good faith
>most people still don't like gay men for example, especially when it comes to public displays of affection
>tolerance != acceptance, fag bashing is one prime minister away from being mainstream again, in light of coordinated efforts to redefine hate crime, due process, civility, etc (almost as if in anticipation of a reform/restore gov...)

Oh trust me, gay men have no fucking idea whats waiting for them, its so ridiculously easy for propaganda to spread, they dont need to act in good faith, just manufacture controversies and before you know it, gay marriage is banned and firing someone from their job is allowed. In my experience, its a mixed bag. Some gay men have been lovely, others evil conservative fuck heads. Out of everyone in lgbt, gay men most closely mirror normie society

>>43662990
>i tend not to anymore since it's really upsetting and distressing being gaslit about reality and your own existence, people pull that 'one of the good ones' rhetoric yet still tell me to my face they see me as a gay man, a third sex, an aesthetic, not a woman, that i need to put up with it, that it's done in good faith, that it's not *that* bad, that it's reasonable concerns

Fucking hell. This had made me reevaluate the people I've spoken to, because i do the usual "i have breasts and a vagina, why do you want me getting changed next to your boyfriend or husband?" and they do change their mind *sometimes*, sometimes they get angry, and depending if i like them or not, i push further. They sometimes say "but my bf isnt gay", and i then get into it, if your bf went away for a weekend with all the boys plus me, you'd be fine with that? If i offered to suck your husbands dick, no strings attached, he would say no? I only say that if i genuinely dont like the person im talking to, im actually very fussy with men lol. But its still fun to watch them squirm lol.

Those people you spoke to are fucking horrible, i can see why you withdraw and im glad you do, your mental health is more important than some ignorant moron.

>>43662235
>different problem, it plays into their favor but they never considered us women anyways let alone medically
yes this is fine, the entire point is that being women is an undesirable thing to twinks, but estrogen itself is desirable.

>it's almost as if there's a difference between a twink (youthful effeminate man) and a 'twink' who goes out of his way in every aspect to try and 'trick' people into perceiving him as a woman, especially straight men...
except both categories tend to dislike being shoved into the box of "woman"

I can't wait until the 2029 election when Labour will lose every seat they have to Reform or the Greens. All because they insisted on appealing to 1% of their voter base.

>New ECHR rules say that it is discrimination to accuse someone who "manifests the belief that same sex sexual activity is sinful" of being homophobic

i've spent most of my life not believing in evil and thinking most people are good at heart but yeah, normal people are evil. they're evil for letting this happen. i hope they all suffer and die horribly

>>43663002
guarantee they won't call themselves racist still cuz negative connotations usually cement themselves in the psyche during adolescence
but generally like these people don't think they're racist; no more than facts/patterns drawn from material observations, they actually believe in the "reasonable concerns" they have, similar to mainstream transphobes
>>43663022
100%, the same arguments they used to "accommodate" transphobes in the EA can easily apply to gay marriage, christian fever being stoked on social media atm
doors are wide open for bigots to weaponize tolerance against us, first wedge in was the "shoving it down our throats" line
>Out of everyone in lgbt, gay men most closely mirror normie society
true in my experience loll, but i only know white gay guys so
>>43663059
>This had made me reevaluate the people I've spoken to
sorry to drop a cognito hazard on you :/
ignorance is bliss and sometimes i think to myself - is thinking or knowing this actually helpful
but yeah i don't really get to talk to anyne about this stuff because nobody takes me seriously outside other trans people
i don't really have friends anymore after years of propaganda gave everyone and their nan an opinion on my existence and the legitimacy of such, like i can't have meaningful relationships with people that don't think i'm real
>But its still fun to watch them squirm lol.
yea lolo you peel them back like an onion until their true opinion surfaces, it just makes them angrier and angrier
no fun when you're not arguing from a position of power tho, or when it's a friend you trusted
>>43663313
they can do that then, i don't see the point you're making (actually i think i do but you can elaborate)

>>43663620
This entire document is littered with nonsense like this, its more extreme than anything the Tories even dreamt up.

I looked up an anti trans proposed legislation from 2022, and it still had provisions for those who had srs or those with grc. Labour have run roughshod over the whole think.

More Labour MPs follow KKKRowling on twitter than all other party MPs combined

>>43663911
>no more than facts/patterns drawn from material observations, they actually believe in the "reasonable concerns" they have, similar to mainstream transphobes

It will become acceptable to be racist again, but only respectable racism, scientific racism, paternalistic racism. A stern governing over the lesser races.

Not this uncouth skinhead stuff, thats not respectable. I think thats why Restore wont do well, they have to at least pretend their rabid hatred is justified, thats why billionaire terfs spent so much money on propaganda

Fuck those reedit mods for deleting the thread on this, it had tons and tons of users breaking down each aspect of the guidance.

And the top post was saying "leave trans people alone", with 2000 upvotes. Funnily enough, the anti trans posts were missing, because they're govt bots, and the story was going to be pulled.

Just look at how the media is silent. We live in a total dystopia

>>43664218
maybe, i imagine there'll still be plenty violence you'll hear nothing about, most likely retaliatory in nature against the oppressors
>>43664310
i can still see it on both the mainstream news subs (unitedkingdom and ukpolitics) when i sort by top weekly
>Funnily enough, the anti trans posts were missing, because they're govt bots
ye i noticed how the usual astroturfing wasn't applied to the comments, nor to push the story to the top of everyones feeds
that along with the media blackout is why i suspect it's to gaslight us and the population, can't get over how machievellian it all is

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>we need to aggressively segregate you from public life, and if security find you in the wrong toilets they'll grab you and throw you out, but we need to grab you compassionately, any punchs to the head will be handled sensitively, and we will ensure all businesses like restaurants, bars and gyms ban you respectfully

Thanks Andy! Im gonna go vote Labour now!

>>43664554
>i can still see it on both the mainstream news subs (unitedkingdom and ukpolitics) when i sort by top weekly

Those sneaky fuckers, you hagw to sort for it, i tried scrolling and nothing came up.

Yeah the mask has slipped, this is the beginning of the end. Its important to be stronger now than ever before, and to be safe.

I personally will be avoiding any place with security, which is almost everywhere in this dump of a city, even in the day lol

>>43664554
>maybe, i imagine there'll still be plenty violence you'll hear nothing about, most likely retaliatory in nature against the oppressors

Yeah violence can be enacted by both the far right and immigrants, its completely different to trans people.

We're not a monolith, we just have a medical condition we want to treat and live our lives. Like labelling all left handed people or those with diabetes as a collective lol. But being collectively oppressed we are forced to operate.

I worry, the first time theres any significant violence from a trans person, i think the police will be mobilised, its one of the ten stages of genocide

>>43663911
>(actually i think i do but you can elaborate)
my point is that TERFs are pushing the actual physical numbers of transitioners up. disincentives do not work that way at all, if anything the victimhood narrative will lull socially/economically outcast people to transition. without any social identity cost to gender transition becomes a lateral shift to a different, more noble kind of loser (socially speaking, being gay makes you a kind of loser), so the actual cost of transition for people of low prospects is nonexistent. it also confers a very firm, expanded sense of community and identity, arguably tighter knit than any other significant minority community, with added sympathy points from the emotionally sensitive social winners. i have a sneaking suspicion many TERFs arent quite as anti-tranny as they pretend to be, although they probably dont understand the full aspect of what they will. gendering transitioners as female by contrast simply locks transitioners into the category of "loser, second class female", as society gets to pretend it has extended to them the morally just dignity of their personhood, while denying them any true agency, a voice in the world, and true financial prospects as one lives forever on the "i want to be a woman" treadmill. TERFs remove a false choice and offer a choice without strings.

>>43657368
If I remember correctly, there may be a word "replacement" on the birth certificate and the printing style will be newer but not sure.
For GCSE and A level certs, the word "replacement" ends up being written on most certs by awarding bodies

>>43664218
i sincerely worry that in the current atmosphere one could accuse the general public of literally any horrific act, and within 10 years there would be a movement to facilitate the right of the average person to engage in that horrific act. i think we are seriously neglecting the angle of child sexualisation in defending the rights fo LGBT minors, but i am terrified to bring it up outside of 4chan spaces because i worry it might give rise to an actual movement to rape the gay away.

Does this mean cis men can pretend to be FTMs and enter womens bathrooms?

>>43664870
no, passing FtMs will still be socially forced into the mens

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>>43664728
I fundamentally disagree with this.

>>43664775
Pls elaborate.

You worry sexual abuse and rape will be used by cis straight peope to "cure" lgbt people, am i correct?

>>43665337
explain

>>43665016
>>43664870
Wrong, all trans people are banned from all spaces.

>>43665350
yes. i worry that under current vice signalling incentives people will literally gaslight themselves into thinking that rape is fine if it makes you straight, because thats all it took for us to have literal camps for brown people now in the US and a team of unaccountable police to black bag people.

>>43656195
First they came for the gigarapehons

>>43664600
it's just the nature of reddit and desu all media nowadays, stories only stay up (and thus relevant) for as long as they get engagement, no more than a day or so, which is convinient to say the least
>>43664620
i worry about the implications of aggregating data:
bureaucracy is a double edged sword they want to do away with via. centralization of power - information/knowledge/data is power, thus centralization of data is an extension of said power (no subpoenas woo!), who knows what they'll do with it but i'd rather not give them the power to find out, y'know
much like digital ID there's a lot of lobbying and R&D put into pre-crime analysis/civil policing tools, i've seen it with my own eyes (before i realized how scary it was, a lot of these industries prey on young grads interested in the tech side of things because they're too naive to understand the implications of what they're working on)
>I worry, the first time theres any significant violence from a trans person, i think the police will be mobilised, its one of the ten stages of genocide
idk if lapankas are on the table but i bet statsi-style ops will be, problem individuals will be picked
>>43664728
i don't think victimhood narrative in the way things are today is enough incentive to lull people into transitioning, that's just another spin on social contagion and imo doesn't align with reality - social transition was easy to access for social validation (i.e. trenders), appropriating transhood now is social suicide, it's nearly impossible to transition physically now for 95% of normie adjacent trannies, they can't even buy crypto anymore
but yea idk i think you're doing a lot of heavy lifting to try and lend credence to blind bigotry and hatred
>TERFs remove a false choice and offer a choice without strings
that's like implying the impetus of a slave driver was to do black people a favor by removing the complexities of participating in society and self actualization by subjugating them to slavery

>>43665352
Terfs, fuelled by the establishment, are creating inhospitable conditions for trans people. Every single aspect of life has been functionally destroyed for us. Every single aspect.

Many are talking about detransitioning, suicide higher than ever. I understand the perverse logic of your point, that being trans is now so low status its creates a kind of reistance mentality and community. The reality is that transitioning has an extremely high cost.

You may lose your family, your safety, your job, your home. Transitioning, and doing it well, costs a significant amount of money. An incel with poor dating prospects *could* transition and actually improve their status, but this depends entirely on their location, personal circumstances and if they pass.

A clocky trans girl from an upper class Brazilian family will have a much nicer time than a full passoid thats poor and in northen Britain.

>>43665377
Its a valid concern.

Here is the difference between America and England. America is loud. Trump announces he will personally ensure protections that help trans prisoners are lifted, its discussed on fox news.

England is sneaky and insidious. They know trans women are raped, they know v coding happens, they ensure it happens, but quietly, behind closed doors, and use plausible deniability, hiding behind processes and saying "lesson learned" after it comes to light.

Both use rape as an instrument of institutional terror for prisoners, it isnt a stretch to extend that to mentally unwell patients

>>43665394
>that's like implying the impetus of a slave driver was to do black people a favor by removing the complexities of participating in society and self actualization by subjugating them to slavery
sry i ran out of words
so like you said
>gendering transitioners as female by contrast simply locks transitioners into the category of "loser, second class female", as society gets to pretend it has extended to them the morally just dignity of their personhood
im guessing you mean, society entertains us, tolerates but doesn't accept us, so what's the point in selling a false narrative?
but then why can't we change society for the betterment of everyone? it was fine on the trajectory we were on before, self ID was endorsed by theresa may lmfao. why should we resign and bow down/kowtow to bigots who simply 'find us icky'?
if you're coming from the perspective of gender abolitionism, it's too radical at the moment, people can't conceptualize it
if you mean we should just suck it up and become a third gender, i really disagree, separate but equal isn't a thing

>>43665394
>it's nearly impossible to transition physically now for 95% of normie adjacent trannies, they can't even buy crypto anymore

Such a great point. They shut down hrt cafe. And the average normie is absolutely not going to start cooking up home brew diy, no way.

>>43665394
>that's like implying the impetus of a slave driver was to do black people a favor by removing the complexities of participating in society and self actualization by subjugating them to slavery
i think you fundamentally misunderstand what im saying here, im saying the logic they wrote early on was a massive unconscious blunder. im not talking about normies at all, im talking about people who are conditioned to expect to eat shit their whole life as is.

>>43665410
youre right, but heres the point at which you miss my point there
> Transitioning, and doing it well, costs a significant amount of money.
the doing it well is either undesirable or not a conscious concern. people will choose to either be men on hrt socially speaking, or to be hons, without really thinking about it. yes people will suffer for it, but thats too bad because now theyre locked in and for the first time in their life they have a sense of community to back that notion up. if anything more successful trannies will be more likely to consider detransing, because they are actually aware of the cost.

>>43665459
oh ofc, i know well enough how things are done here, i just think that we risk a far more permissive attitude towards open actions, or worse, a far greater willingness to go further behind closed doors. lets not dance around that the right of trans kids to transition is fundamentally a rejection of normalised child sexualisation by heterosexuals.

>>43665483
>but then why can't we change society for the betterment of everyone? it was fine on the trajectory we were on before, self ID was endorsed by theresa may lmfao. why should we resign and bow down/kowtow to bigots who simply 'find us icky'?
you failed to consider that we were not on that trajectory. we were on a trajectory of containment, with ever minority on a infinite treadmill with rights on paper and the same violence and sexual assault laden upbringing, and the same future of precarity and marginality. those who actually succeeded on the old system were few and far between, most ate shit on the treadmill over and over again.

then theres those who thought the whole idea was a bad one to begin with. well, if were all fucked, why not be fucked together?

>if you're coming from the perspective of gender abolitionism, it's too radical at the moment, people can't conceptualize it
>if you mean we should just suck it up and become a third gender, i really disagree, separate but equal isn't a thing
neither. i think we take normativity away from heterosexuals. i think we break the logic by which they articulate their own existence. this is something you can only do by altering peoples actual perceived reality, for which we need physical, unavoidable, undeniable evidence of the fragility and fluidity of sex itself, and the worthlessness of heterosexual identity and understanding.

with how much men and women hate each other these days, we are well on our way to such a situation.

>>43656028
I'm totally gay. I like men's bodies that I like men sexually. I have no interest in women and never did. I like women when I was in grade school but oly as fiends once they started growing tits I didn't like to

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>>43665723
fuck yo i was typing a huge response to this but i accidentally pressed esc and closed the fucking quick reply tab omg
its so over i can't do it again, FUUUUUUUUUCK my life

>>43666130
do it again
ill read it when i get up in the morning and you may change my mind

if it helps my IP changed 3 times in the last 2 posts and i had to re-authenticate my 4chan gold account each time

>>43666158
i really can't sorry anon, it was quite a lot and i'm really demotivated atm, im just gonna go distract myself so i dont think too much anymore
gl sleeping with the heat lol