I've noticed that a lot of lesbian couples are a femme and a butch, as opposed to gay male couples which are almost always masc/masc and femme/femme. Why do you guys think that is, what's going on there?
it gets clicks on social media because most consumers of that content are people with limited real life wlw experience and want to imagine dating someone openly gay because they think it would validate their homosexuality. most real life lesbian couples are femme4femme or futch4femme or futch4futch because there just arent that many butches
>>43656855christ, the one on the left kinda looks like a dude with boobs, wonder if she's microdosing T or if she's just masculine
>>43656855im a cis male but I would trade lives with either of them
>>43656855It's not necessarily the majority or even a lot of them desu, it's just that fucking everyone wants a butch nowadays. I love femmes I really don't get it but butches monopolize all the attention and everyone wants them, even other butches. So butches fucking dominate the dating market at all times and as a femme you will never have a partner that is truly happy with you that doesn't wish you were a butch instead, or tries to push and pressure you into being a butch. It's a huge part why I pretty much refuse to engage with the cis lesbian dating scene nowadays
>>43656855Most are fem/fem, but you won’t be able to recognize them in the wild. You’ll think they’re just friends or roommates.
>>43656855>a lot of lesbian couples are a femme and a butch, as opposed to gay male couples which are almost always masc/masc and femme/femme.This is because a lot of lesbians are in reality just bisexual women at best who are afraid of cis men and their potential to rape. However they are still attracted to masculinity and desire safe men who simply do not have the equipment to do so. Now as for the reason butches exist it's the same as straight ftms, they want to dominate woman to feel like they are on the same level on the playing field as the scary men. Surely if she dominates and dicks down other women and puts on a bit of muscle then no man will want to enter her! That's what they unironically believe that they are one of the bros now. Unfortunately for them their delusions that they are playing for the same team simply because they lust after the same "prey" is just that a delusion and deep down they know it.
>>43656855reminder that 44% of lesbian relationships end with one partner getting the shit beaten out of them
>>43659490That's not how the statistic goes...
>>43659503how does it go?
>>43659534this is a known lesbian abuse apologist imagine trusting them to spin the narrative
>>43656855Gay people display femininity and masculinity differently amongst each other. A feminine lesbian and an effeminate fag are not operating on the same level of femininity, and dykes and hypermasculine gays do not view masculinity from the same lens. And in the events that they might be, they’re transsexuals. Either way, there are porn categories purposed for dl men to indulge in the fetishization of femininity on other men so they don’t feel “too gay”. Twinks and Bears exist. Fucking older men, fathers, uncles. What is that if not femme/masc ?
>>43659534It goes that 44% of lesbians have experienced intimate partner violence from a partner during their lifetime, not that the partner was a woman, not that the partner was a lesbian, just that within their lifetime they have esperienced abuse by a partner and they are now a lesbian at the time of surveying. Factoring that LGBT people are way more likely to REPORT intimate partner violence and not sweep it under the rug (Like how 29% of gay men report intimate partner violence, and 46% of bisexual men, while only around 13% of heterosexual men report intimate partner violence) and factoring that the statistic does not differentiate between the gender and sexuality of the perpetrator, then comparing it to the IPV rates of heterosexual women (35%) and bisexual women (around 61-69%) the lesbian IPV rate id actually on par with cishet women or even lower.
>>43659692>It goes that 44% of lesbians have experienced intimate partner violence from a partner during their lifetime, not that the partner was a woman, not that the partner was a lesbianLesbians are women who have woman partners, it's irrelevant if that partner identifies as lesbian. Why do you think the stats for gay men are so low? That's because they don't have that violent female tendency to abuse their partner>REPORT>it's there bro just trust me!nope! the reason heterosexual men don't report it is simply because it doesn't happen as much since they can physically overpower their potential abuser
>>43656937legit looked like a cism fuccboi except for the extra gyno pecs
>>43659737>Lesbians are women who have woman partners, it's irrelevant if that partner identifies as lesbian.This is true for the most part! however OP said that in lesbian relationships 44% of them end up in someone getting beaten, and I took that to at least somewhat imply that both are lesbians, which already is not what the statistic necessarily says.>That's because they don't have that violent female tendency to abuse their partnerI don't think that either really have any "tendency" to be violent, it's just a pattern of behavior that often gets reinforced by shitty parents onto their children. However statistically men commit the vast majority of violent crimes (against other men too) while engaging in equally as much verbal abuse as women.>nope! the reason heterosexual men don't report it is simply because it doesn't happen as much since they can physically overpower their potential abuserIf that was the case then the bisexual men IPV would be much lower than it is. You might be right that it doesn't happen as often, but the data doesn't lie, and the data does not support your claims. You have to resort to making shit up and misinterpreting the data on purpose to support your conclusion. I'm disappointed in you gincel...
>>43659802>This is true for the most part!Yes and that's why that person was right. If you're going to look for excuses while appealing to irrelevant, weird and obscure edge cases the same can be done for all of the statistics.>it's just a pattern of behavior that often gets reinforced by shitty parents onto their childrenWhatever the factors it is completely separate to the point being made, females are uniquely shitty in relationships. The more females in a relationship (such as with bi and lesbian relationships) the worse it is. As for the other forms of violence in other contexts this is again a separate issue.>If that was the case then the bisexual men IPV would be much lower than it is. So your only argument is bringing in potential relationships where females are involved? lmao, if you had a point gay men wouldn't have such a low IPV rate. btw females are more likely to identify as bisexual and those females don't have to be women
>>43656855Imagine having the luckshit genetics of the left one and staying a woman instead of pooning out. Why would he do that?
>>43656855Gay men are egotistical and want someone who looks like them. Lesbians are straight coded and want big top. Butches are men and want small lesbian.
>>43659905The lesbian stat includes male abusers. When male abusers are removed, lesbians have the lowest rates of IPV. Bisexual women have the highest rates of victimization with over 90% of their abusers being male. As anon said, you are incorrectly interpreting the data.
>>43659737The women in that study are SELF IDENTIFYING as lesbians, and some of the ones who experienced IPV on their LIFETIME (which the study explicitly measures) dated men at some point.You haven’t even read the study and you’re quoting it. kek
>>43659490The seeeeeethe from this post. Bro will never be a lesbian or even know the touch of a woman. Not even men will fuck you. Your friends, if you have any, won't even give you a pity brojob
>>43659905>obscure edge cases59% of lesbians have had male sexual partners (Dating is hard to classify for research)>females are uniquely shitty in relationships. The more females in a relationship (such as with bi and lesbian relationships) the worse it is.proof? Because again the data only proves that homosexual people report more IPV and bisexual people report the MOST ipv, while gay and straight people sit on the lower ends.
>>43660033while straight people sit on the lower end*
>>43660001All of those stats include female abusers as well but magically that doesn't count anymore lol>>43660019>SELF IDENTIFYINGDoesn't change a single thing. Most lesbians identify as lesbians but leave for men anyway when they've had enough of the abuse.>LIFETIMEYou're implying they "became" lesbian. If you want to go that route be my guest.
>>43660032the projection is palpable lmao
>>43660033>59% of lesbians have had male sexual partnersThose aren't lesbian they're bisexual. If you've ever had the inclination to have sex with another man as a partner you're just bi but your current partner is a woman and she is abusing you>reportThat's the proof. You have to make a case for why I should take your ass pull over what the data shows. I explained why the report rate is different and made my case for why it means that it likely isn't even happening
>>43660041No one said it doesn’t include female abusers. You’re claiming lesbians are more violent when that is false.>>43660041I never said they became lesbian. The study doesn’t measure if they’re “true” lesbians. It merely asks how they identify and that is why the abused self-described lesbians have had male aggressors. To dumb it down further for you - the study does NOT measure abuse in lesbian relationships. It measures how many self-described lesbians experienced IPV in their entire life. Regardless of whether it was at the hands of a man or woman.Are you the same ESL idiot from the other thread? lol
>>43660072>No one said it doesn’t include female abusers.You just showed me where the majority of sexual abuse these lesbians encountered came from women, nice self own>I never said they became lesbian. The study doesn’t measure if they’re “true” lesbians.Again doesn't change anything and I can use the same crappy cope to explain all abuse away. You very clearly implied that they became lesbian because they started fearing dick you fool
>>43660123I didn’t imply anything. Those women who were abused after dating men call themselves lesbians. The CDC included them as lesbians. Whether you/I like it or not is irrelevant.There is no self-own. The number of victimized lesbians is still lower than both bi and hetero women when you remove moid abusers. Which is the entire point. Women are safer in relationships with women by a long shot.
>>43660146Yes you did and that shows me that women who call themselves lesbian are in fact at best bisexual and more likely just political radfem lesbians. Majority of these lesbians were abused by other women because women are shit to their partners. And the rest will go back to dick after they stop fearing it once a hot enough guy makes them wet. You're essentially telling me that lesbians only exist because women can lick their wounds, it's a self own. Either you accept you are violent or accept that women naturally just don't like women, ever
>>43660181You gotta be 18+ to use this site, little bro. You lack basic reading comprehension. The fact that some lesbians are abused does not mean most are. Far from it. And a significant chunk are abused by men, inflating the lesbian stat so homophobic creeps like you misinterpret it.Women are safer in relationships with women. Some bisexual women pretending to be lesbian does not mean lesbians are all liars. You’re creepy asf for claiming that. Lesbians don’t want your chode.
>>43656855>>43659360>I've noticed that a lot of lesbian couples are a femme and a butch, as opposed to gay male couples which are almost always masc/masc and femme/femme.I don't believe this at all. As a general rule, masc/masc and masc/femme is allowed (also must follow strict hierarchy where femme is lower and beneath them), whereas femme/femme is condemned and forbidden by both gays and lesbians. Being masc represents independent, while being femme represents being regarded as property.There's this idea that femme people are inherently evil and weak, and there's always that angle of punishment or revenge. Most people actually in fact hate femme people. Dating them, fucking them, it doesn't matter the hatred is still always there because they are outright seen as people of lower standing lesser morals.
>>43656855Its really hard to find another butch to date as a butch and femme women are just more common
>>43659468>However they are still attracted to masculinityI'm attracted to masculinity, just not on males. I know closet bisexual men might have hard time understanding this. There is a difference between a masculine woman and a man :)
>>43659468There's little to no reason for butches to genuinely be attracted to femmes. They're arguably more self attracted.
>>43660041>Most lesbians identify as lesbians but leave for men anyway when they've had enough of the abuse.isnt the classic stereotype that its the other way around? that ""lesbians"" are women who got abused by men too much so they decide to only date women? or do you live in a mirror universe to the one i live in
>>43660657Men just cannot cope with female attraction that they have no part in.. this is why dykebreaking is a thing. I hate men
males in this corner of the internet have such strange and disconnected views on lesbian sexuality. it's almost morbidly fascinating to see what you all say on here.
>>43660669Masc people cannot cope with femme attraction they have no part in
You look at these fags who are into twinks and often times they come across like they're more attracted to their own dominance than anything
Fems are at best just weak little rescue dogs. Femboys? Those are just fuckdolls they'll throw away one day. There's not much actual value, just elevation of the self.
>>43660920Corny performative post
>>43656855she's 100% using roids
>>43660957visualize the size of her abnormal clitoris
>>43660957Nah, she does not have vascularity in her arms. Looks natty
>>43660694I feel like masc women don't think so as they are a more niche and marginalized group vs normie womem
>>43656919I disagree that there aren’t many butches (though there are fewer than femmes and futches) but you’re right that lesbians mostly stick with their own type, just the same as gay guys. Almost all the lesbians couples I’ve known are both futches, both femmes, or both butches.
>>43656855Men aren't really attractive so mxm relations that are out in the open are just two coping prisongay copers coping together. Mascs can't pull another fem or if they do it's always a case of a narcissistic sociopath fem settling for an ugly gross masc because he wants power over the other person in the relationship. The whole "we're just like straights but for other men" larp. This differs from non-coping mxm relations which are meta-attractive and fetish based and occur behind closed doors, as all sex should be conducted. >>43656996Same bro, god I wish I was a lesbian. They have no idea that they're literally living the dream. Just the purest form of love (other than the smelly vaginas)
>>43661138>other than the smelly vaginasImagine saying this when you dick hood is a cheese farm and you asshole is leaking from anal sex. God I hate males
>>43661017She has huge delts despite being a woman she's definitely on roids
>>43661411This is a trap because if I say I'm circumcised you'll get even more hatefulThe fact is, men can take off their pants without flooding the room with dead fish smell. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of women
>>43661873>The fact is, men can take off their pants without flooding the room with dead fish smellIt only smells fishy if a woman has a bacteria vaginosis which is a sti that needs antibiotics. Pussy has a nice sweet smell, unlike cock and its moldy cheese.Go get aids or something that you people love to do
>>43661977Actually prep is a thing now so the fashionable thing to spread is super gonorrhea and chlamydia because condoms are homophobic or somethingAnyway I've been with 5 women and only 1 of them didn't smell like something crawled up there and died, so it's not smelling too good for you on this one sis
>>43661595She looks very soft tho and not roided at all iml
>>43662006>Anyway I've been with 5 women and only 1 of them didn't smell like something crawled up there and diedThey all had BV then or you are just so homosexual that you hate female pheromones (likely)>t.masc that has licked and sniffed and loved over 20 pussies
>>43656855Because it’s based
>>43662024If you're a woman you can't smell it
>>43656855the one on the left could kick my skull in and I'd say thank you.
>>43660065>your ass pull over actually its a cardigan but thanks!
>>43662073Cope. You are just repulsed by feminine pheromones unlike true gynephiles. Go sniff a guys asshole and eat some dick cheese faggot
>>43662242Saying shit like this reveals more about you than the other anon. Thought you should know, cockcheese-eater.
>>43662258Yes why don't lesbians love it when men insult their genitals and call them disgusting. You sure love to toss but you cannot receive
>>43662274I wasn't that anon, but keep raging out. It's a good look for the community.
>>43662275You are all the same so it does not matter, I have no desire to suck it up to men. It sure says something that you are only concerned about my opinions
>>43659983Because poons are an abomination?10/10 would plap and inseminate both tho
>>43662355False. Ftms are cuties
>>43662284>another traumatized political lesbian screams into the void about how she doesn't sneed men
>>43660072Even if 1/3rd the reported abusers are men that still leaves women abusers at 4-5 percentage points higher than hets lmao.
>>43662413Men really think all women want them for some reason but when measuring arousal straight women are more turned on by bonobos having sex than male bodies. Only people into your disgusting bodies are other men
>>43662481Maybe go read the actual studies so you don't have to embarass youself here
>>43656855foids are agp sexually so the other stupid foids step in to fill the man role and also the provider protector one
>>43660072>the study doesnt prove lesbians are abusive, it only proves lesbians love dating abusive men
>>43662520Women are simply gynephilic <3 agp is not a female thing, its only experienced by males
>>43662538not true at all. why do you think women won't date anyone who is shorter than them.
>>43662538>>43662649yes women are visually gynephilic and meta attracted toward anyone who fulfills their agp sexuality
>>43656919wtf is a futch
>>43656855these types are just straights but are shy about it
>>43662688Soft butch. If butch is the female equivalent of a femboy, the futch is the normal twink
>>43662649Women love to date short women. Moid dating standards are different
>>43656919>femme4femmeWhy not more gay men into this. Why not more men who fem4masc?
>>43663363Sometimes I just think that gays are hypermasculinity veneration club
>>43662510Miss Dworkin, I specifically stated that men are inherently unattractive in my first post that wasn't even addressed to you (where you jumped in without being addressed because of your crippling penis envy). You can't just repeat my words back to me but with more righteous outrage and call that an argument, that isn't how this works.
>>43663456Gay men were honest with themselves they would admit they have a feminine inclination and a feminine sexuality
>>43663363most gay men are attracted to mascs because they are gay bottoms, most lesbians are attracted to mascs because they are bi bottoms. the average gay relationship is two bottoms trying to pressure the other into being more masc. and they always lust over straight men and women the most.
>>43663601Why do males with their disgusting bodies think that women want to have your log of poop pushing out of a butthole looking genitals? There is nothing attractive or admirable about your bodies. Only a male can desire a male body.
>>43659360I mean it's pretty clearly because most women are androphilic and that bleeds into even gynephilia.Like if most women are androphilic then their preferences will also be for women who look like men because they like men. Straight-leaning bi, etc. It's nothing about trends, it's just how it is. Femme4femme requires something going seriously wrong developmentallly
>>43663340i think it was pretty clear that i was speaking in reference to women's standards for men.
>>43664099>*hysterical woman noises*The scary man you're arguing with said your hole stinks. Not to you, but you got mad anyway. And you are now trying to strike back by trying to lean on your lazy, pre-lesbianism strategy, of saying that anyone who disagrees with you, must be a straight man who wants to touch your no-no hole. And moreover, that by denying him access to your no-no hole, his social status is diminished.But it doesn't work anymore. You're literally arguing with a faggot. So watching you make these noises is a bit like looking at an ant that had its legs pulled off. A mix of fascination and pity. You didn't really go into this with a clear head, that much is clear. No matter, you'll eventually realize it was just a phase, and get knocked up by some guy at work. The fate of all angry lesbians.
