Im a boymoder wrapping up her last year of highschool and I haven't had any real "Guy" friends since 9th grade when everyone found out I was a faggot. While i've had some friends that were male, they were all either loner incel types or other faggots, most of my friends are women. I don't mind the company of these types of people however when Im online I seek out male friend groups because I feel that talking to guys is more fun. When I do get a chance to talk to men in real life without them knowing i'm some faggot it feels thrilling. Since I won't pass as a woman anytime soon, I plan on telling everyone im a straight man in university so I at least won't be treated like some freak. Any tips on how to come off a cool to men? I sort of have a high pitched sounding faggot voice because it never fully dropped and im worried people will think im an uncool loser, if possible Id like to join a frat or something that would make everyone think im straight and “one of the bros”. My rationale is that i want to be either totally stealth as a cishet female or cishet male, anything else basically makes people treat you like a second class citizen. t. 18yo 7month hrt boymoder
>>43657956Things I am going to try/am considering:- Reverse voice training/learning to do a deeper voice.- Cutting my hair short (im a bit worried my bf won't like it)- Larping as a bitter incel/looksmaxxer?-Shoulder pads or lifts (Im a shoulderhon heighthon but I think it would be funny to look like a literal gigachad irl)
yea definitely join a frat, that’ll go so well
>>43657956Don't even bother with this. Most colleges are much more progressive and you will be treated a lot better without having to do this bullshit.
>>43657983Those all sound like terrible ideas
>>43657956>Any tips on how to come off a cool to men?Stay in places and conversational topics as close to things you know about and like, hopefully both, so that they always see you in your element, and so, for the exact same reason, avoid where you’re nottl;dr play to ur strengths
>>43657997another thing is i just imagine i'd feel so much better hanging out with guys because I wouldn't feel so masculine in comparison. All of my female friends terramog me and sometimes even hit on me and it makes me feel sick :( The couple times I have hung around guys they would tease me about my lack of body or face hair and say I looked like a girl which made me feel better about my appearance.
>>43658023Okay you can just do this as a boymoder. Honestly being the weird fag thing with nice, welcoming guys is really really nice.
>>43658028In my experience guys just treat any faggot as if they infected with some virus that I might give to them if I hang out with them.>>43658000do you have any better ideas?
>>43658056It's different in college because college filters out more chuds and you can find more tightly-knit groups. Hobbyist spaces and other student orgs will likely have plenty of guys who are nice. Like legitimately I went from a high school full of assholes to knowing a bunch of golden retriever chads and it was nice.
>>43657990really? im just worried that the hazing or whatever will require me to undress or something idk, I heard some ftm who was pre op managed to join one and I bet it wouldnt be that hard for me to do that I could just say I have gyno or something
>>43658073They're being sarcastic. Frats mostly suck.
>>43658070well i really like hanging out with chuds.... online im friends with several basedteens who love to make fun of trannys and irl i managed to befriend this incel looksmaxxer type and it was so fun to talk to him about being an incel and hating normies and idk maybe i have aap or something idk
>>43658087That doesn't sound like AAP. I think you just may be a little stupid and that's okay. We're all stupid here.
detransition or just honmode retard
>>43658102Its just that, when I was gay I foolishly thought that trooning out would make me like normal in everyones eyes and that I would just be seen as a normal person since its normal for women to like males but obviously thats not how it works I was a dumb kid, I feel this is the second best option, at least people will think im normal and im already lying about who I am anyways.
i did this! i started hrt the spring before college, panicked at breast growth ruining my chance to have a fun college experience, took serms and sarms and joined a fraternity. i got hazed so hard lmao it was so much fun i dont regret it i learned so much and i got to be a hot twunk in college and then went back to being a hrtwink after college. YOLO SWAG YAGMI
>>43658109How would that help at all? My goal is to be stealth and If i detrooned and repped I think I would just end up as some John50 crossdressing freak
>>43658113Just boymode until you malefail don't overcomplicate things.
>>43658118Well I don't want to pause my transiton, if possible id like almost like a hetero chad male cosplay that I could put on and take off when needed. What is hazing like ive only read like horror stories but Id assume those were just exaggeration.
>>43658127>Just boymode until you malefail don't overcomplicate things.Malefailing =/= being stealth, I would still just be a man with a penisboymode till srs and ffs
>>43658118i also had no friends since 9th grade too i got bullied out of school for being a fag too. so when i started college i didnt want that to happen again lol twin motivationsdo what you want fr, dont listen to people who are obsessed with following other peoples lives paths and dont want you to have fun, have fun you only live once
>>43658141lol its going to be hard to do that with tits NONA. its possible though. anything is possible. i did it. you can do ithazing can be fun or retarded. you are basically chads slave lol. also lots of drinking and no sleep.
>>43657956Come out as your faggot self! Why care? If you're not being real
>>43658166my breasts are incredibly small and I think I am good at hiding them, my boyfriend has bigger "boobs" than me albiet they look normal on his muscular frame, maybe if I became super muscular it wouldnt look so bad but honestly I wouldnt want that, maybe like a muscle shirt or something like you would use in a cosplay?
>>43658146You can't be stealth without practicing as a twinkhon y'know.
>>43658168Im already boymoding plus the world hates fags and I have to exist in the world if i want any academic, professional, or social success which I need to make money and pay for FFS
>>43658180Can you elaborate? This doesn't make any sense to me? What do I need to be practicing?
>>43658192Voice, body language, mannerisms, socializing, fashion, makeup, etc.You can't just throw a faggy moid into the wild with pretty face and expect them to not get clocked on behavior.
>>43657983>my bfGet over yourself
>>43658177assuming you are a twink then it doesnt take much muscle to look shredded. you can take a sarm, even cis women take them, i took lgd and mk677 and within a couple weeks i looked like a bodybuilder. you start losing the muscle after you stop taking them which cis men hate but works perfectly for your goals. you'll just have to be careful with your liver but i got blacked out tons and i later had mine tested and it was perfect.i say go for it because if you ever want to experience being male, collece is the time to do it, you can do it for a single semester and if you dont like it then stop. trans women shouldnt be afraid to do this. based asf. just dont do it out of fear or shame, do it out of having fun. thats the only hard part tbhon
>>43658202Its going to take years for me to be stealth through surgeries and time on hrt, also I know plenty of women who sort of act like guys, while I agree on voice I feel like body language and and mannerisms are total cope, im sure you arent passing because ur mannerisms are amab coded nona...
>>43658207If I could id girlmode but i am nowhere close to passing and I just want to be seen as normal
>>43658227Legitimately one of the first things that lets me clock semipassoids are things like gait, mannerisms, etc. They're really important because if you don't have them, people will clock you as weird, and then once they clock you as weird they're more likely to clock you as a tranny.
>>43658243I don't think id girlmode until I was sure i was indistinguishable from an afab, and im willing to boymode for more decades if necessary, im not sure what its like where you live but in my country its seeminly socially acceptable to throw stones at faggots, i can only imagine my fat as a visible tranny..
>>43658184If the world really hates fact is something that happened in the last 10 years. When I was out and about more, being gay then we're very much in Vogue. People were totally cool with it
>>43658184learn to invest thats where all the money people make comes from. the world hates fags yes but its more fulfilling to stand up for yourself and other LGBTs than to bend over for people who will hate you no matter what anyway. its not easy, its hard mode, but you will figure it out with time, trial, and error. just dont lose yourself in the act, know its a larp. everything is a larp, have fun with it. >>43658237i'd say you can be seen as fun which is better than normal, if you let go of shame and fear. if you are trying to be normal and it comes off as fake people will sniff it out. emancipate yourself by having fun dont take yourself too seriously. if you want to girlmode then do it. you are young its ok to be awkward you are learning. trial and error.
>>43658243>gait, mannerismThis come natural like dressing and putting on makeup. Really difficult is changing your physical body
>>43658269Wearing girl clothes when I literally have a penis makes me feel like a crossie freak
>>43658257college is literally the best you'll ever be treated as a weirdo tranny who hasn't fully integrated yet. Use that time to better integrate sooner rather than later instead of turning into a bitterhon.
>>43658294I have to go through 7 years of school anyway, I only plan to do this for my undergrad after that il get ffs. If im at least stealth in public I might consider socially trooning but I am sort of a gigahon and I feel like I need at least ffs and clavicle reductions to look like a normal girl on the outside, let alone srs and ribcage reductions to look like a a normal person without clohtes
>>43658314Height and bideltoid?
>>43658328185cm 15.8 inchesi have incredibly narrow hips from starving myself through puberty
>>43658345You don't need a clavicle reduction holy shit you have tiny shoulders for your height. If you meant 15.8" is your biacromial instead, that's still like the median for a cis woman of your height.
>>43658359idk i probably measured improperly I feel like i have huge apelike shoulders and I don't want to know what they actually are because I can't do anything about them yet so id rather be ignorant...
>>43658377Okay, can you post silhouette or something? Also weight.
>>43658293so it sounds like you dont want to do it. it makes you feel disgusting? so dont do it. its that simple. do whatever you can have fun doing. if girlmoding is going to be gross and cringe thats dysphoria. it should be fun
>>43658359Im also taller than most men I know and literally every single woman, Im considering a height reduction but im worried it might make my arms look even more disproportionally long :(
>>43658397150lbs or so, il post silhouette in a bit im gonna go wash my face
>>43657956if you were ever able to convincingly be "one of the guys" then you have a masculine enough brain to fit into male society and don't need to troon out
>>43657983reverse voice training will end up making ur life harder. just do all but presentation until you start malefailing like every other boymoder
>>43658456trutrans conquer male society before trooning out like caitlyn jenner
>>43658073you will have to get undressed as a pledge yeah. pretty unlikely you’d get away with hrtitties. i boymoded later onwards after i’d already joined a frat
>>43657956The more you try the lamer youll seem. If you relax they will too. Most guys are clueless anyways
you are going to regret this decision when you're older
>>43659381how was your frat experience as a repper?
