Posted this in /adv/ but everyone was unhelpful and didn't tell me how to get rid of itI'm 18 and biologically female. When I was 12 or 13, I discovered the whole trans meme and decided that it was totally me. Now, 6 years later, I hate myself. I hate every single effeminate thing I do or participate in. I wish I was a man, but if I transition I'll be an ugly manlet who doesn't pass. How do I stop wanting to transition???Do I just settle for being a tomboy? I feel like I'm going to be a disgustingly ugly woman, so I think I'm fawked.
>>43675312how tall are you?
date other women and allow yourself to act masculine without taking testosterone you can do manly hobbies, talk about guy stuffjust don't transitionplease>Do I just settle for being a tomboy? Iyes
>>436753255'7 or 170cm is on my ID but I think I'm closer to 5'6 or 167cm>>43675326But I will hate myself every day!! I want to get rid of dysphoria not just be a repper
>>43675348so stop hating yourself for being a masculine lesbianjust stopstop internalizing the homophobia that's all around you
>>43675312See a therapist OP, I don't want to be a groomer or a trans terrorist. Your simple question can now land transgenders in jail where they are forced to detransision. Try the Reddit trannies, they need some jail time
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>>43675312If you transition actually transition to being a man and not some gender creature. Grow facial hair. If that sounds appealing to you then it's probably what you want.
>>43675364>just stopHow?? I don't know how to "just stop" hating myself after feeling like this since puberty. >>43675399I stopped going to therapy because it was a waste of time and made me feel like a retarded faggot
>>43675348were the same height and im mtf you would be fine not a manlet
>>43675418>How?? I don't know how to "just stop" hating myself after feeling like this since puberty.talk to other masculine lesbians, put yourself out there, be vulnerable, maybe you should try putting out like a "friend" personal ad on a dating website for an older butch lesbian to help you accept yourself go to a lesbian support groupyou need to meet other masculine lesbians and then you won't feel so alone
>>43675312Tell me when you find out lil bro >t. 37yo mtf repper
>>43675416That is excactly what I want. I want to be a normal guy. I want a normal girlfriend or wife someday, a normal job, I want to have male friends that see me as a male. I just want to be a guy. >>43675434I see cis guys complain about being 5'7 a lot but maybe its just my 4chan echochamber, thanks nona. >>43675438I can try, I guess. I hope it won't be ropefuel >>43675448o7
>>43675490>I hope it won't be ropefuelDon't judge everyone by one person. If you don't get alone with someone, fine. Find someone else. People are not categories or representatives. Treat them as individuals and expect the same in return. Go in with an open heart and mind and you will feel better. You can have a wife as a woman. It is ok to be an ugly masculine lesbian. It's ok to have masculine interests as a woman.
>>43675490cis guys complain about 5'7 but like it isnt that bad at all?? i dont think you should take your height in this consideration as a negative factor thats all i can say
>>43675312Transition then detrans then cry about it publicly
>>43675312Yes settle for being a tomboy it's literally the same thing as being ftm
>>43675326>>43675364>>43675438>>43675507Stop posting on this board. You are not welcome here. We will never affirm your delusional worldview. You will never get what you want from this board.
>>43675312is this a kirkefied image???
>>43675490>I see cis guys complain about being 5'7being 5'7 cis man is probably different than being 5'7 trans man
>>43675312troon out, repping is impossible
>>43675312There is only 1 way to save your body and mind. S T O P R E P P I N G
>>43676389Lmfao no but it should be. Share rare mias ITT?
im board so i can give you an idea i had on how to treat gender dysphoria. it either works or makes it 10x worse forcing you to transition and i dont know which because i have not experimented w it before. you will be my test subject .. if you agree with the risks you may add me on fedcord:sitra.achra
>>43678929also i am adding u to add me because i want follow up as to whether or not it works btw
>>43675490>I see cis guys complain about being 5'7 They do and they also complain about being 5'9, anything short of 6 feetNot to say it doesn't get worse the shorter it getsBut you're very close to average male height, a bit below it. It's not the "ideal" male height but it's very ordinary even for cis guys.
>>43675312you probably arent trans anyway because youre a foid
idk you might honestly be fucked, sorry.
>>43675312>6 years laterThe fact you haven't after that long shows you never wanted to transition. You aren't dysphoric nor have anything to repress, don't worry.Bitching about an issue you actively refuse to solve, despite knowing the solution, because of whatever bitchy mental gymnastics that sums up to "muh feelings hurt" is typical female behavior. You fit right in.>I wish I was a man, but if I transition I'll be an ugly manlet who doesn't pass>I feel like I'm going to be a disgustingly ugly womanIf you actually wished to be a man, the former would be more than acceptable, if not desirable, compared to the latter.>I think I'm fawkedOn tutorial mode? You're fine, be grateful.Whining and hyperfixating on your body is a female privilege you enjoy reaping. A man copes by going out and earning the value in society that you, as a woman, were automatically granted at birth.Any healthy adult male would recognize you as the delusional woman you are and go on about his day as the man you can't comprehend being. It's okay to live your life knowing that, Nona.
>>43675312Probably just transition OP, but depends on your bone structure. I'm in the exact same situation but 5'2 with stupidly female proportions so I know it will never work out and have thus resigned to a life of misery. 25 and it does not get better. Ignore the shitty ragebait you'll get about glorious wombynhood from jealous trannies. You can have a better life
>>43675312It's tricky, I think FtMs have it rougher in a lot of ways than MtFs. I have a friend who is FtM who is happier after having transitioned, but he was already a really masc lesbian and he went in perfectly aware that being a man basically means you have to stop being "queer" or else you'll never escape being woman-coded. He doesn't understand a fucking thing about queer culture, which helps lmao. It didn't hurt that he's about 5'9" and autistic/arrogant in that way that reads as very manly. I have another FtM friend who is in a much harder place. 5'4", worried a ton about passing, clearly wants to annihilate any part of his past when people identified him as a woman. He was super into Tumblr gender stuff, but as he's gotten more malebrained, it's clear he's increasingly unwilling to think of himself as "trans", and I think that's a trap a lot of FtMs run into. You can change a lot of things about your body, right, but your body and your past just mean you aren't cis. MtFs, by contrast, have an easier route towards getting pretty close to being similar to men even if they face a great deal more violence and political opposition, especially with the disparity in SRS outcomes. There's a joke that J.K. Rowling is probably a trans man in deep denial, but someone noted that a truly malebrained FtM would basically refuse to transition because they're a chud. There's some truth to that, I think. Just really think hard about what you want from transitioning, and ask yourself what results you'd actually be happy with, and which would kind of tear at you if you never get them.
>>43675312>describing distressing gender dysphoria>"wahh but what if i turn out a le heckin chud instead of le cool man"take the hormones for a start and see what happens from there retard
>>43682132>but someone noted that a truly malebrained FtM would basically refuse to transition because they're a chudI wonder how that works.
>>43682195I mean, the ultimate expression of being a man, if you go for essentialism, is essentially shaping the body for competition (whether that be grooming yourself to get a promotion, or strengthening yourself at the gym). You act like a Roman, where the worst thing that can happen to you is humiliation and disgrace. The idea of "purity" is also really malebrained, a rejection of concepts like "fluidity" or "self-expression". You see a lot of trans men on this board actually who really resent things like "sapphic men" which I think is genuinely admirable. But if the problem with "sapphic men" is that it evinces they aren't serious about the claim that they're men, it leads into a place of gender essentialism. A real man, as they see it, would be embarrassed at all with identifying as a woman. A real man wouldn't want to play around with gender, wouldn't look at himself in a mirror and worry about looking like a woman (even though cis men actually do this, a lot, it worries them a great deal). He would be shaped like a marble statue, sculpted by some vicious god, his skin rough and strong, leathering unlike the milky softness of a woman, hair thinning as if made to don a helm and take to battle. And from here, this romanticizing of an almost anti-queer cis man, a trans man truly idolizing this kind of masculinity ends up sleepwalking into a nightmarish contradiction: if he were truly embodying this kind of surrender to necessity, this masculine obligation to be man and not woman, he'd not take hormones or desire to be anything other than what he is as well. Ironically, the thing that most makes him unlike this idealized cis man is his desire to be like the cis man in the first place. The male brain, that is a brain aggravated by contradiction and discomfited by fluidity, basically realizes the most manly thing to do would be to refuse transitioning. This is obviously all kind of insane and niche, so it probably applies to like three people in reality.
>>43682348As a femrepper chud, this is pretty close to how I feel. Masculinity is strength and success. Looking in the mirror to see someone with undeniably male characteristics, hearing a male voice, etc. The reality is that I am a woman in my bones and my face and mannerisms, it's an inescapable reality. To transition would be to fail and humiliate myself. How could you ever do that if you knew you'd look like a frankenstein of the body you wish you had? Not truly a man, and now not a woman either, turning into an awful gender mixing pot which is not masculine at all. So the only route is to keep suffering and find little comfort in knowing that this inaction and pain may be the most "male" thing I could possibly do.
>>43682348respectfully,what a load of shit.to be a man is to rip love out of life's pallid, sickly hands. to exert your will unto the world before you, to move mountains, to break the sky, boil the sea. if there is a thing that must be done, then it'll get the fuck done, or you'll die trying.cowards who can't even will their own bodies to do their bidding, who hide behind some flimsy veneer of pride while their soul rots? they are not men. imagine being granted one life to tear the world in half and wasting it daydreaming and sulking.but hey, who am icope however you want
>>43675312Your options are 1) troon out 2) rep with the option of trooning out later. Femrepper cope can take you pretty far (I'm 12 years deep). If you troon out and hate it you can always detroon and make terfbux on social media.
Why can't you just repress, bury all your feelings, slowly go insane, break down, find God, move to Chile to "Find yourself", inject elephant testosterone in a moment of psychosis, become an elephant/human hybrid, detransition, go on Fox News and grift, make hundreds of thousands of dollars, re-re-transition, and then repress again.
>>43683355Femrepper cope suggestions:>don't wear makeup>don't shave body hair>wear exclusively menswear, incl. underwear>don't wear bras (my preferred alternative is layermaxxing)>lift weights for hypertrophy>change your name to something neutral/masc, or use a nickname>avoid cis men and passoid trans men socially. theyfabs/pooners who are more fem than you are OK>if gynephilic: date a woman who is shorter than youI'm also considering caving and getting top surgery which, if you can afford it, does have "cis woman getting preventative mastectomy" plausible deniability.
>>43675312Exposure therapy. Force yourself to do feminine things until it feels neutral
>>43675348The dysphoria never goes away even if you start transitioning. You're fucked for life.
I got no advice for getting rid of gender dysphoria. You can only minimize it in my experience, but that is only feasible by changing your presentation, or biting the bullet. 5'7" is shorter than the average, but it's not diminutive. My brother compensated for being 5'4" by using ball caps with the brim pointed up at a steep angle.
Dysphoria literally dissolves when you stop believing you’re transgender
>>43683425>admit you're an insecure unstable female and go on about living the guaranteed easy life anywayMissed the most effective one.The amount of Neanderthals on this board taking the influx of women (who already flood the rest of the internet with their senseless bitching) seriously at face value believing she's actually struggling with anything significant is laughable.>>43682195It doesn't.>>43683207
>>43683610>>43683207You guys are very confused. The discussion I was trying to have, if you go way back, isn't me saying FtMs aren't real or anything like that. I'm saying that the one FtM who doesn't give a shit about gender and just acts like a dad who grills is far healthier psychologically than the one who has *deep* hang-ups over any possibility that he might be thought of as a woman and flirts with definitions of masculinity like "being a man is about being strong, unlike women, who are weak and let things happen to them." Which is ironically what you guys are saying. Women can also move mountains and win love out of sickly pallid hands of reality. Joan of Arc didn't need testosterone, and she was clearly "manlier" than most men, the idea that willfulness is some uniquely masculine trait is exactly the kind of shit that gets you in hot water. Toxic men who were born with penises and 6'0" of height routinely destroy themselves out of fear they're not taken seriously as men. Your struggle is even harder, that's all I'm saying.
>>43675312I'm the same height as you. I repped for a year when I was 16, then I got on testosterone at 17. I'm 18 now. My dysphoria was crippling. I feel a lot better after starting testosterone, but I am still a girlmoderI am a similar height to you. I'm looking to actually make an effort with my transition soon. I feel good, so it might help you too. If testosterone doesn't make you look like a man, then it's quite likely you could just look like a normal woman like I do. I think you should stop repping. The gender dysphoria isn't the problem, the problem is that it has been exacerbated by your repping
>>43683911Sorry, I didn't proofread this; it's sometimes redundant and quite difficult to read. My point is still clear
OP here. Thank you for all your responses, I had to close 4chan for a bit because everything was making me want to rope. I have thought and will continue to think about transitioning. I obviously cannot make such a lifechanging decision overnight, but hearing people's testimonies makes me think it might not truly be over. See you soon (probably)
>>43685079Also, a good night's sleep always makes me less depressed and hopelesss geg
>>43675312>How to get rid of gender dysphoriaSpoiler: you can't.>I'm 18BITCH WHAT ARE YOU DOING GET ON T NOW BEFORE THE SECOND PUBERTY FEMINIZES YOU EVER FURTHER HOLY SHIT
>>43675490im a 5 6 trans man, 20, year on t started a new job 2 months ago all of my coworkers think im a man and treat me like one, havent long term dated yet but on shorter dates with bi people ive been treated really normally. just hit the fucking gym like your life depends on it, take your t regularly make sure youre at normal levels, and don't dress like a fucking girl and youll be fine. people on here want to delude you into continuing to rep that shit destroys your soul. just be a man. its pretty easy most men are just bitchy little girls who want everything handed to them on a silver platter.
>>43682348>>43683123I don't share in the view about masculinity being all about winning and what not because I grew up in a family where the women were the stoic badass ones. However, I strongly relate to this>To transition would be to fail and humiliate myselfIt's an admission of insecurity. I can't bear the thought of surrendering to this, showing that I want something so pathetically and can't get it in full.Props to the guys who transition and go about their lives though.
