Have you ever tried having sex with a man as a man?

>>43676972
There's going to be a lot of odd looking heterosexual men when the AGP zoomers hit 30.

>>43676984
They're a straight man. Gay sex as gay sex repulses them.

>>43676984
No, the thought is a turnoff, what appeals is the idea of being a woman with a man

>>43676972
when my sex drive dropped it was awesome because I stopped feeling like a gross pervert and could just enjoy being a woman without that baggage

>>43677004
Me tbhon, it is kinda great being a straight guy into men though

>>43677004
straight men, who fantasize about being fucked by men?

>>43676972
The same thing happened to me several times over a 10 year period. Go on HRT, feel les transgender, go off, feel more transgender, rinse and repeat.

>>43676996
>we all had a basedteen phase right?

>>43677076
>>43677134
Agp are by definition attracted to themselves. That would rule out genuine sexual attraction to men. Your fetish may compel you to get fucked up the ass by a man, but it's neither straight sex or genuine gay sex, it's a fetish.

>>43677155
Idk, I might gradually condition myself to like men to complete the traditional cishet female role

>>43677155
>it's a fetish.

You're thinking they do it in their head their imagination. It's different when you actually do it with another person physically. This is what some of us are talking about we actually do sleep with men and they fuck us just like a real girl!

>>43677155
then why do they want men to fuck them?

>>43677179
meta-attraction.

>>43677155
I wish this would help me get over my crush though, I am attracted to the woman that is attracted to him :(

>>43676996

Weak bait. Most of us start HRT at 30 after our attempt to be straight collapses. The average age of transition has hovered around the late 20s for decades now.>>43677004

>>43677155
>Agp are by definition attracted to themselves. That would rule out genuine sexual attraction to men.
It's astonishing how easily Blanchardianism is debunked by simply acknowledging that people can like A and B at the same time

>>43677469
cope
they are FAGS
they like men but are too ashamed to be with men as men

>>43677583
for me the masc-on-masc relationship just feels inherently unappealing, at least personally. that sort of relationship always disinterested me.

>>43677611
>inherently
you didn't feel this way before others made you feel that way

masc x fem dynamic is plastered onto our lives from birth

>>43677583
No it's not that it's that we can't get off sexually if we think we're a man while having sex with a man we have to think we're a woman to make it a turn on

>>43677004
Sex with men repulses me in general

>>43677636
hmm never thought of it that way but you have a point

>>43677675
>i cant get off if i think im having gay sex
>i have to believe im having straight sex to cum
hmm if only there was a word for that

I guess right now I don't know if I should detransition with tits when it happens, or just stick it out and hope I eventually feel like a woman.

>>43677547
autogynephiles are
A. Self attracted
B. disgusted by masculine traits, smells, anything related to being male
C. heterosexual men with a fetish resembling a personality disorder

Saying you love men as an autogynephile is akin to a vegan saying they love eating rare cooked steak, it's gibberish.

>>43678413
I disagree with B, the more my AGP increased I felt I had to fill the role of a straight woman in the bedroom.

>>43678413
>disgusted by masculine traits, smells, anything related to being male

We all know this is bullshit.
The whole AGP thing is just a personal experience nothing universal about it. The one thing I think is true about most agps is that they do not like masculinity whatsoever

>>43678259
I have a word for it. I don't think it's very popular

>>43678526
It's not plausible for a man who hates masculinity in himself to desire it in a male partner. AGP mtf are straight men with a mental disorder and should be treated with psychiatry instead of being told they're women.

>>43678586
AGP is actually what it means when one is really transsexual. Any of the other supposed 'sexualities' are actually secondary transsexual profiles. The most popular of them being a homosexual transsexual

>>43678586
how is a psychiatrist going to stop me from having erections

>>43678586
>It's not plausible for a man who hates masculinity in himself to desire it in a male partner
nta but why not?
i'm not a real man, but my bf is. and that's great for both of us.
t. ranny (kinda)

>>43676972
imagining yourself wearing the striped stockings works just as well as actually wearing them when jerking off

>>43678631
It was first treatment I had given by a psychiatrist, worked well for me

>>43678586
There probably needs to be a better terminology because the "I hate all forms of masculinity" AGP is very different from "I want a masculine man to make me feel like a real woman" AGP

>>43678648
describe how pls

>>43676972
>so when my sex drive drops, I'm fucked
this, but literally.
when my sex drive dropped, I got myself fucked. a lot. until the sex drive recovered.

>>43678672
It's simple, testosterone blockers. They didn't call them testosterone blockers at the time, but they work the same way or very similar

>>43678627
Society can at least wrap us mind around the concept of a feminine gay boy who played with dolls as a child and could only make friends with girls transitioning to mtf. Hsts are the only valid form of trans women. Transitioning later in life at 18-30 because you discovered that crossdressing and lesbianism arouses your penis is invalid to say the least.

>>43678644
Because you're feigning heterosexual relationship dynamics to please your ego.

How do I trick AGPs into fucking my butt without taking hrt myself?

>>43678667
I understand that there are different kinds of AGP individuals and that some of them fantasise about a masculine man making them feel like a woman, but what is the reality going to feel like? Gay anal sex because you're not a real woman. At that point the agp individual has to choose whether he wants to be the receiving partner in a gay relationship, or explore other options.

>>43678695
Well that's a poor diagnosis on AGP. The homosexual subtype seems as valid from an operational standpoint, that is the may pass well, but there's still homosexuals. I think you're thinking about transvestites, which is another subgroup, which is not AGP

>>43678728
They get srussies

>>43678695
the average age of transition is 27-35 so this is already wrong. and saying some transitions are valid and some aren't is laughable

>>43678730
You're conflating definitions now.

Gay males do not have autogynephilia and autogynephiles are not gay males. There's no gay subtype of AGP, as AGP is a fetish subtype of straight males. You guys are dedicated to confusing yourselves and/or others about what you are. It would be better to just be honest with us.

>>43678761
lots of gay men have agp

>>43678744
Hsts would be more likely to transition earlier I would think, because their desire to be seen as a girl originates during early childhood, and may also include a need to transition to escape homophobia from being attracted to boys their age.

AGP is an adult fetish and not going to materialise in males until well after puberty, thus why AGP males are more likely to transition later than hsts.

>>43678761
No, I'm not.
I'm trying to make it sensible to you so you can understand it, unless you're going to stick with your own mind, not listen to anyone else, I can't help you. Homosexual transsexuals just like me. Maybe if you ask me questions about be ing hsts, maybe you would find the answers for yourself(

>>43678764
This is incorrect. AGP is auto-attraction as your primary sexuality, while a gay males primarily sexuality is attraction to other males. There's no one you won't try to skinwalk. It's really disturbing, and why I say that AGP needs to be classified as a personality disorder, so you'll stop trying to project it onto gay males and cis women.

>>43678814
agps are attracted to other men, the "i need to be a woman" is a ruse cuz they are ashamed of being gay

>>43678804
I'm already educated on what the terminology means.

A gay male may like feeling weak, feminine, dominated by a stronger male, but that doesn't equate to wanting to grow breasts and have a vagina, ie it's not AGP. The 2 are different.

>>43678834
There's numerous examples in this thread of trans women validating the fact they aren't attracted to men and are living a fetish lifestyle of feminisation for the sake of male sexual gratification.

>>43678413
it's not gibberish they love meat because humans are wired to love meat but must be vegan because of principles

>>43678787
my agp started once I hit puberty at 12

>>43678897
>male sexual gratification
they're pounding women?

>>43678710
that doesn't answer the question lol
your opinion is not a supreme arbiter of either plausibility or other people's lives

>>43678955
Yes in some cases. Most AGP trans women do date women, or attempt to.
>>43678963
Incorrect. I'm not telling you my opinion, I'm relating what the clinical research into transgender mtf says. My opinion on the other hand is that mtf are predatory men attempting to exploit cis men and women, and concoct a series of lies about themselves in order to manipulate people into enabling a fetish. It's the only fetish I've encountered that seems to be directly interlinked with narcissism and in some cases psychopathy.

>>43679000
do they just want the company of women or actually penetrate them actively

>>43679000
>I'm not telling you my opinion
>proceeds to regurgitate opinion

>>43679034
It varies. Many AGP want to perform piv sex with women, and can effectively be considered male incels. Other AGP mtf attempt to use cis women to gratify their fetish in the same way they use cis men, by expecting to be treated like a cis woman.

>>43678695
this is so true and you can hear it reiterated when normal ppl like, for me my aunties or someone talk about transgender identity and how it is today, they might say something “transphobic” but in the same breath say they work with a trans woman from x who they aren’t referring to because they are so inherently feminine it just makes sense in their heads that they are a woman. i think in their head they are making the agp hsts distinction without realising it
>t. agp

>>43679000
psychopathy lmao
everyone we've got Dr. 4chan here to impart his wisdom which is definitely real and not an invention of his own brain

>>43678814
>>43678876
Yes the two are different one of biggest difference, which is often overlooked is that true hsts could live as gay men if they found the right gay relationship the right man.
I know I could have but I didn't really feel it possible when I was old enough to transition but youg enough to make a mistake

>>43678948
This is one of usually starts. The same time you find out your sexual orientation gay or straight

>>43679126
Because AGP is the symptom of....

>>43677583
Im just a sissy bitch that wants to get dominated like a girl. I have no attraction to the man. It's closer to masturbation, using somebody else body.

>>43676972
She was so beautiful back then, wtf happened?

>>43676984
I did and it was boring
It's what made me realize I have to troon

>>43678667
is it? like I had the former but as I adjusted to my life, became more feminine I am now the latter lol

What if you thought you were AGP, got on estrogen and quickly lost the sexual arousal from it but wanted to continue on with estrogen and eventually live your life as a woman full time? I’ve been on HRT for 3 years now and haven’t touched my penis in a sexual manner in over two years.

>>43680867
Many such cases
AGP is normal for trannies

>>43680867
that's risky, I don't want permanent tits if I eventually realize it's not for me. the arousal is the whole reason to start in the first place