>>43685752
This is the third(?) time this has been posted this week

>>43685752
posted it again award
if you want no hardware in the forehead go to keo/mittermiller/mardirossian

>>43685752
I've seen this single picture posted here for the past decade.

>>43685752
>I spent 30k going to T change on 3 occassions

theres the problem, the people who keep going back for surgeries are extremely mentally ill people, its like michael jackson getting 20 nosejobs, they will never be happy and the more surgery they get the worse it will be. just go to an actual good surgeon, pay a decent amount of money and expect conservative results.

>>43685817
mardi uses metal hardware, i think only keo uses dissolvable stuff. i don't think there's an inherent issue with titanium plates or wires, db uses those too and he's very good. badly placed hardware is mostly just a surgeon skill issue, i've mostly seen terribly placed and excessive forehead hardware with rossi and qq

>>43685839
>theres the problem, the people who keep going back for surgeries are extremely mentally ill people
Looking into surgeons and looking at reviews, you see this phenotype a lot. You usually see their posts after like 2-3 revisions, so you have to wonder if things were totally fucked after the first round or if it just got progressively worse, but these people are totally unreliable narrators. They tend to write like they are completely histrionic, too. I don't doubt botches organically happen, but I rarely ever see dissatisfied people who aren't like this.

>>43685925
I had surgery with Rossi, my first facial surgery and I was absolutely botched. He is just really bad surgeon.

>>43685973
oh god damn, i actually emailed rossi at one point as i was curious about a consult, never went any further than that though. who did you go to for an unbogging if i may ask?

>>43685973
He's the Argentinian, right? Glad I didn't pick him. He charges a lot for being an actual third worlder.

>>43685987
sorry to go a bit offtopic but like i wouldn't consider argentina to be third world if by third world you mean like an underdeveloped country. in many aspects it's probably much better to live there than in places like uk and us for troons. and i say that as a westerner who lives in taiwan, like, i genuinely wouldn't mind living in argentina either. but yeah for medical stuff, south america is probably not that great, maybe ft brazil are decent though?

>>43685752
Who should I go to if I only want forehead work (and maybe rhino)?

>>43686033
mardi/keo/db. maybe qq if youre poor

>>43686050
Isn't QQ supposed to be pretty bad?

>>43686053
he's inconsistent imho, i think he's actually been getting better because he's been getting way more patients now but a lot of his older surgical techniques did seem pretty barbaric

>>43686022
> i wouldn't consider argentina to be third world if by third world you mean like an underdeveloped country
Argentina has been on a long slide for the better part of a century. They aren't third world in the same sense as a nation which has never been developed in the first place, but their GDP per capita, even in PPP terms, is on par with a lot of places you'd call poor.

I also don't mean third worlder as too much of an insult there, you just generally expect they charge a bit less, even for an international clinic.
>i say that as a westerner who lives in taiwan
Taiwan is richer than most of the West. The only reason I'm not moving there is I assume they will be absorbed by China within 10-20 years.

>>43686088
>Taiwan is richer than most of the West
i mean i suppose, but like in taipei, unless you live in the more recently developed districts like xinyi or some place that's like, more modern, most places do feel like you're somewhere in sea. ximen especially is just so old and ran down, but i suppose it's not a wealth thing and more of an urban planning issue. health care is pretty good tho, they even let foreigners enroll in nhi which is neat
>I assume they will be absorbed by China within 10-20 years
i hope not, don't think china will outright invade but i'm pretty sure if the kmt gets in power again they'll sell taiwan out to china eventually. if anything, at worst, it'll probably be some very gradual blockade
>you just generally expect they charge a bit less, even for an international clinic
oh yeah that's fair enough. i think as soon as any clinic or surgeon get any kind of international publicity they just start charging a premium because they think they're hot shits as they've got a "brand" now or whatever

>>43686066
his assistant isn't very responsive... feels unprofessional so ive been a little put off but if that also extends to his work he's a no go.

>>43686202
>i think as soon as any clinic or surgeon get any kind of international publicity they just start charging a premium because they think they're hot shits as they've got a "brand" now or whatever
That's broadly not the case though. Usually prices are more comparable to local prices than American ones, even if the clinic ends up getting a ton of American/Western European clients. Rossi's prices were roughly on par with FacialTeam's when I checked.
>i hope not, don't think china will outright invade but i'm pretty sure if the kmt gets in power again they'll sell taiwan out to china eventually. if anything, at worst, it'll probably be some very gradual blockade
I don't think it will be an invasion either, but it probably won't be independence in the long term. Which makes it a "no" for me if I have a choice to pick elsewhere.
>they even let foreigners enroll in nhi which is neat
In general they do a lot to make it appealing to educated professional immigrants. Shame about the geopolitics of it.

>>43686233
to be honest, lots of surgeons have shitty PAs, even the top ones. that alone usually has very little actual correlation to their quality of work

>>43685987
Rossi isn't bad, it's the other Argentinian that is terrifying, I remember contacting the previous patients of Di Maggio and multiple had issues with stuff like screws sticking out from under the face.

Different surgeons have different skillsets and if you can't afford the Hollywood surgeons then you will have to make an informed choice.

>>43686297
rossi is absolute fucking garbage. stop shilling for your curbside off-brand surgeon, amanda.

>>43686292
Fair enough well people have been saying he's awful at forehead work and rhinoplasty so I don't feel he's an option to begin with...
Plenty of poor results being posted to this board especially and very little actual results shown elsewhere online

>>43686318
I met both Rossi and Di Maggio in real life, and their patients. Di Maggio had much more invasive results, if you are super masculine, Di Maggio is probably the better choice but the amount of people who told me they had complications with badly fitted screws that they only found out after returning home was kind of a put off.

>>43686344
di maggio being bad does not make rossi good. rossi is an absolute quack

>>43686355
The alternative being 3x the price because not everyone is blessed to be a commiefornian with a good Healthcare package.

Im not gonna shit on Rossi cause im very happy with the nose I got.

>>43686369
there are other poorfag surgeons which are way better options, ones that arent actual con men

>>43686297
>multiple had issues with stuff like screws sticking out from under the face
jesus fucking christ that's actually horrifying

>>43686392
Maybe, what's done is done and my result was successful. I did a lot of research and while I would not say Rossis work is amazing, its just okay there was certainly a lot more professionalism from him, and his former patients didnt all complain of their face being in permanent pain. I also got a discount because someone canceled, so I only paid 15k for what was supposed to be 25k.

Qassemiyar might have been a good choice also, but it would have been 30k instead of 15k and I'm a broke bitch that barely scraped by the 15k

>>43686423
larp larp larp sahur

>>43685752
gd. i know this is fud bud surgery really is barbaric still. we gonna look back at it like wild west barbers who do amputations with a shot of whiskey and a stick to bite.

I genuinely feel for tranners who dont facepass
this shit sounds wild
what the fuck is going on in this scan?
they really just do anything to your bones

>>43687359
>what the fuck is going on in this scan?
Brow reduction if you developed a frontal sinus involves essentially removing the bone in front of the sinus, setting it back, then using metal to put it back into place. If done poorly, you get exciting stuff like this.

If you go to a real thirdie, they don't even bother with all that, they just shave off the top of your frontal bone, sinuses be damned, and you just get a hole in your head.

>>43687757
Does QQ do that?

>>43685752
You can see even just by the skeleton that she had a very strong jaw naturally. This just seems like the result of going too far, there's only so much you can shave off before it all fucks up.

>>43688601
The brow work is utterly unforgiveable. Honestly the jaw doesn't seem that bad? Maybe just incongruous with the midface?

>>43688802
>jaw doesn't seem that bad
There is a fucking hole in her jaw

>>43688802
Yeah that brow is fucking terrible. Which is shocking because Rossis brows are pretty good nowadays. I guess this poor girl was a testing dummy.

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>>43688434
everyone does type 3 brow reconstruction like that, a prominent browbone is never not hollow and needs to be broken and rebuilt with metal because of the frontal sinus
qassemyar does it, but I don't recall if he's known particularly for his brow work. But he's definitely competent.

hardware literally doesn't matter if you don't have a butcher

I had type 3 forehead, lefort I, and chin reset done my face is like 50% titanium at this point never had an issue and looks normal

only fun part is I can feel when it's about to rain now when the air pressure drops and it gets a good reaction from dentists doing X rays

>>43689031
>and it gets a good reaction from dentists doing X rays
lol what do they say?

>>43689078
usually asking about what accident I was in to need all that done, I'm not in a big city and don't look worked over so I doubt they see the evidence of extremely surged up trannies in the day to day

>>43689031
Who was your surgeon nona

>>43689177
jesse goldstein at UPMC

in addition to the mentioned he did jawline shaving, orbital contour, rhinoplasty, trache shave, hairline advancement, and chin fat grafts across 2 surgeries, god tier surgeon

no one talks about reconstructive surgeons as an option but their job is to make you look natural and they are willing to go deep to do it

>>43689229
how much did you pay?

>>43689229
really??? omg im so happy i found someone with good experiences with him. im on his waiting list and was scared it will turn out bad

>>43685752
>$30K of surgeries so far
>another $100K to fix the original surgeries
>many more to fix those ones as well
>not a mental illness btw

>>43689031
>only fun part is I can feel when it's about to rain now
w-what does it feel like?
t. about to have a titanium skull

>>43689310
billed around $70k maybe $5k out of pocket, they are extremely creative and persistent with insurance justifications (for example, all the jaw work was treatment and subsequent reconstruction for sleep apnea), only thing I had to pay outright for was rhinoplasty and second round of cheek fat for about $2.5k total

no idea how much true OOP would cost and this all happened in 2019 so somehow the billing records are all gone

>>43689336
hes amazing, excellent bedside manner and very open to your considerations, and staff is super nice

>>43689441
imagine a very slight pressure inside your face on the implant site, I feel it a lot more in my jaw screws than my forehead bridge

>>43685788
I'm glad I posted this old image again this week
The posts here confirm how relevant it still it

What about Korean ones? Anyone here had a Korea FFS? I see Vlad and he seems to gave gotten a good one

This post makes me grateful that I went to DB

>>43690565
if you need a type 3 forehead reconstruction, don't go to korea unless you speak korean and can communicate with surgeons and do the research yourself. it is not a common procedure in korea.

It's funny how transphobes will pick out bad surgery results to post here and on kiwifarms then close the thread and then the replies are just trannies talking about surgeons like they're pokemon cards.

>>43691129
the problem for transphobes on this board is that at this point, we've mostly become so accustomed and desensitized to our board being spammed with chudposting that most seasoned trolls no longer bother with these types of posts, outside of very coordinated raids as they probably know that they don't really phase us that much. these singular posts are newfriends making their first ebin troll posts on /lgbt/ thinking they're gonna own the trannies in some new and creative way that's never been thought of before

>>43691129
Not a transphobe I'm a trans woman

>>43692400
you can be a transphobe and a trans woman at the same time
it's the internet so you can pretend to be whatever and nobody will know

>>43685752
i keep seeing this thread in my threadwatcher and it says

>Here's your life saving
which i read as
>Here's your life saving(s) [mental insert op picture]
lmao

>>43693006
Okay well I'm pretending that you're my wife...
Mmmpfffhgghhh no girls aren't supposed to kiss

>>43693087
What