>>43703292
Troon numbers are gonna skyrocket

>>43703292
Just started watching this as it happens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ujrH0blA1Y

But also there are three key issues:
1. Radical feminism hasn't reformed society, but villified neurodivergent men to avoid real issues.
2. Men's mental health is everyone's problem
3. Silicon Valley has been an unmitigated disaster for the human race.

Which spergrant would you like first?

There's a large push from the left vilifying men, and a large push from the right telling young men that all women hate them. Men are being pushed in that direction from both sides.

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>>43703292
There's a million issues from hypersocialization due to social media, to a total lack of economic opportunity, to CIA socially programmed feminism creating division in the working class via sexes. It's such a broad spectrum you could talk about it for days and the attempts to boil it down to one issue, or to disregard the issues and/or put the blame back on men is indicative of a culture that is part of the issue.

>>43703292
It's both genders fault. Cis men are crybabies who want a mother to take care of them and cis women are extremely gay. Also mix in a bad economy.

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>>43703292
Preplanned genocide of normies. Been going on since 2005 when the gov introduced meme warfare, it actually makes you retarded. I call it Linguistic AIDS. A lot to it. The gov doesnt realize this, a lot of them are in denial, a lot got the AIDs themselves. I knew about it, didn't stop it just watched.

Incels biggest problem is they tried to be "normal", in reality normal never existed its a spook of the mind. Plus they're probably american were being normal is actually being just a pile of fucking goo that dies for some non american like an isreali or lakhota or sm

>>43703292
its literally entirely a choice
10-15 years ago random nerds on this site were hooking up with female users cis and trans just by like, saying hello and having a gram of nerdy boy charm to them. now none of you fucks will leave the house unless you see a signed contract for a blowjob and a foot on the property ladder. i hate to sound like a fucking boomer but have any of you tried actually trying to get in peoples pants rather than crying about how its literally impossible? like how are you bisexual and a 25 year old virgin for example? how is that a thing that happens?

>>43703326
this is consistent with most brands of feminism in general because the broader female population is averse to confrontation and highly entitled. anyone actually preaching meaningful reform in feminism has been historically marginalised in favour of the racism/sexism/phobias of the day from the female perspective. until women find a way to regulate other womens behaviour and wants thats going to continue to be the norm as peoples worst behaviours are usually found in the path of least resistance.

>>43703438
yeah but this doesnt track though. cis men could also be gay. most of them are at least somewhere on the heteroflexible spectrum. poverty is understandable but like, you can date for free, or at least for cheap. it costs very little to go to a museum. it costs very little to cook a meal and watch a movie together. i half wonder if social media hasnt oversold gen z on expectations regarding dating and they now all think the only proper way to date is to meet up at an expensive restaurant or something. cis women in particular seem extremely vulnerable to algorithmic manipulation of their perception of social and dating standards.

>>43703616
>now none of you fucks will leave the house unless you see a signed contract for a blowjob
More like standards have rocketed up to a degree most men can't keep up with. The average man isn't actually a 6'4 vampire billionaire who looks like Henry cavill

>>43703292
They listen to other men about what women want instead of listening to women

>>43703639
bro this is 4chan. nobodys expecting you to be tall and roided on 4chan. this is a site made by gay nerds for gay nerds and setting aside the massive influx of facebook granddads in 2016 onwards it still very much is. go be someones charming nerd husbando. emphasis on the charming.

>>43703639
only logical endpoint is moid genocide, good riddance!

>>43703652
>nobodys expecting you to be tall and roided on 4chan
LMAO
Dude I'm not even a chaser but trannies here are obsessed with height even more than ciswomen.

>>43703616
>you can date for free, or at least for cheap. it costs very little to go to a museum. it costs very little to cook a meal and watch a movie together.
as a bi man, this works on gay men and trans women. if i suggested a frugal date to a cis woman there would be no second date.

>>43703656
>t. Moid on hormones

How to not be a failed transcel boymodder?

>>43703616
Agree with you but I do think women are WAYYYY more gayer than men. Imagine having an entire gender that primarily loves the top 5% of men, it should realistically be like 25% with another 25% buffer zone. But men are also whiners that can't grasp social bonding. But at least men are more easily fixable through education and programming. The problem with women could probably only be fixed through social shaming.

>>43703657
>Dude I'm not even a chaser but trannies here are obsessed with height even more than ciswomen.
filter. youre allowed to have preferences too and if you get the ick from a girl simply disengage and move on.

>>43703662
>if i suggested a frugal date to a cis woman there would be no second date.
this is what i mean by algorithmic manipulation desu, but its no loss on your part. i think something happened in the last decade where men forgot that getting respect begins with self respect and you just dont need anyone who wont respect you for who you are and the circumstances youre in.

>>43703671
>filter
This "filter" filters out 90%+ of people, let alone trannies. I'm a permaalone repcel but you're absolutely insane if you think manlets have good prospects lmao

>>43703657
I dont care about height but i dont engage with those types of posts often. Most comments on the internet are overwhelmingly by men

>>43703676
Manlets should transition like me. I went from 5’7 to 5’5.

>>43703657
Actually no, I'm not the tallest but I found way more trans women are accepting of men in any height.

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>>43703664
no im not on mones, just the yote for me. I am a moid but i am also the genocider!!! less competition for us moids in the know! ;) lotta diff ways to do it nowadays, paper genocide, cultural genocide, genocide of the self, etc etc you dont gotta actually kill anyone to do it!

you can get on my level, just study!!!

>>43703656
Actually, that would instantly destroy society

We need to rebuild the Chesterton's Fence; retvrn AFaBs to PLAP and confinement to male-permitted expenditure / income

>>43703669
>Imagine having an entire gender that primarily loves the top 5% of men
we cant do this on our side, but we absolutely can just flood the market with options beyond the cisf. like if cishets wanna run a pseudo market dating system then sure we can play that game, and we can win the same way china did and fuck this one sided game up that way.

>But men are also whiners that can't grasp social bonding. But at least men are more easily fixable through education and programming.
yeah, like i dunno how we do it but theres gotta be some way we can reign men tf in on their stupid algorithm driven false macho save the foid race from itself bs. somehow we gotta tell these guys that selflessness can be one hell of a vice and that they need to put themselves first in a way that actually makes them happy rather than down a dope spiral.

>The problem with women could probably only be fixed through social shaming.
i think honestly this is the real deadlock here for cishets. but im not going to cry if cishet relations are permascrewed because it means more good men for the rest of us.

>>43703676
>This "filter" filters out 90%+ of people, let alone trannies
thats fine, youre still left with a decent number of people in a highly connected world. dating isnt actually about markets, its more like fishing.
>I'm a permaalone repcel but you're absolutely insane if you think manlets have good prospects lmao
lemme tell you something from someone dating a taller, older man. i used to bully a family member of mine for being a manlet. then he got a decent line of work, not perfect, not consistent, but respectable. then he got broad, his body filled out from all the physical work and weight lifting he was doing in his early 20s. then he cooled tf off on the childish bs, because he was now in a much stronger place in himself. hes now very much a man in my eyes, and im kinda proud of him. hes like 4 inches shorter than me and i dont think any sane woman would care given hes built.

>>43703708
>We need to rebuild the Chesterton's Fence;
bro its not 2018 anymore you can hop off that post

>>43703292
>why the majority of young men are incels?
lesbians and gold diggers
you see trannies do the same shit
when you're a young man no one wants to date you
when you're a young woman, you'd rather date another woman, a wealthy older man, or just stay single and focus on your career/hobbies. the ideal for the average tranny (who is bisexual and lower-middle or working class) is a wealthy older woman who gives you lots of space and demands little of your time

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>>43703616
>until women find a way to regulate other womens behaviour and wants thats going to continue to be the norm as peoples worst behaviours are usually found in the path of least resistance.
Ahh, spergrant 1, good choice!

So the issue there is that would be meaningful reform. They can't do the thing they need to do because they didn't do the thing they need to do.

And this isn't even about political feminism, this goes all the way back to early childhood female socialization where boys are praised for achievement, while girls are praised for attractiveness. We crave the dopamine hit of praise from parents and authority figures but in a 6 year old that's literally the only thing that matters.

And the difference is so stark. The advice boys are given is about personal responsibility, courage under fire, and achievement despite the odds, the advice girls are given is about self-care, self-advocacy, and managing the perceptions of others. Feminists complain about patriarchy as a world made by men for men, but ultimately they are completely unreflective of their own role in it, as the very way they complain about it is just the very self-advocaty they were conditioned for demanding men who are well past the limits of what they can actually handle take on even more responsibility. It's ironic, but in such a way that pointing out the irony serves only to offend, rather than enlighten.

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>>43703292
H>>43703373
>Men are being pushed in that direction from both sides.
As a gayden I'm always astonished at how weak-minded cis men are

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>>43703292
I could write books on it at this point.
I've never been an incel. I was married twice right after highschool and always get all the action I want. I've been with over 30 women and over 30 dudes.
It's just lazy people. You can improve yourself so much in modern times. To not get laid when billions of people exist just shows how weak you will is.

It's also heavily tied into having a HUGE ego.
Their egos are so enormous they're terrified of rejection.
If they just learned there's infinite people to get infinite pleasure from if they would just fucking realize they're not fucking God or some shit. Who cares if they say no, laugh, or even attack you? Be brave and connect with your fellow species weirdo mofos.

Failure is fun.
Being one with another human is bliss.
Loneliness literally kills you.

>>43703740
>when you're a young woman, you'd rather date another woman, a wealthy older man, or just stay single and focus on your career/hobbies. the ideal for the average tranny (who is bisexual and lower-middle or working class) is a wealthy older woman who gives you lots of space and demands little of your time
this is an entirely new phenomenon in 4chan tranny culture. it used to very much be the case that the majority of trannies here wanted men, ideally a man slightly but not massively older than them. if anything the old barrier to getting laid on 4chan used to be dick size.

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>>43703758 (cont)
Which is highlighted so well with the way neurodivergent males are treated by feminism. And I think we can include transexual women in this, at least for the purposes of this conversation. Neurodivergent males who are often so marginalized from society that they've effectively formed a seperate society, don't have a problem, they are the problem. And the complete lack of compassion for these people is astonishing when examined, these radfems have never even stopped to consider that these people who have been bullied their whole lives for being different would immediately recognize being bullied for being different, and already have defences in place to deal with it.

They don't get that far, which means they obviously don't get that these people are perfectly willing to shelter neurotypical males in their pre-planned defensive fortifications. Whether that's warhammer become much stricter on the no-girls rules even as it explodes in popularity, or trans women offering a sensitive and non-judgemental embrace for broken men, it's the same basic principle. "I know what you're going through and while I can't make it stop, I can at least offer you sympathy."

And of course it doesn't take a trans woman long to realize that these broken men are everywhere. They litter the streets and pollute the internet. They're completely undatable, they couldn't fuck if they wanted to, which they don't, something that causes them a deep and dreadful shame. They blame society and women for this, and they're not entirely wrong, though they're so inarticulate as to be spouting nonsense most of the time. The reality is that there's no support for broken men, we don't bother to fix them, despite the fact they are economically far more expensive broken than supported.

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>>43703708
dont know what that babble is. Moids did this to themselves, plus your average moid thinks genocide is good necessary fact of life, that it gets you casinos isreals healthcare etc (it doesnt, it just gets you genocided fyi) Yeah so long term this thinking gets you the world we're in now, moid genocide!

Best advice I can give is find and learn some language your average moid hasn't fucked up. The majority of the damage to the moids is coming from how much they absolutely genocided and mutilated contempary american english and made the language just the genocider and mutilator language!

>>43703616
>>43703758
>>43703765 (cont)
And this is where the ultimate failure of Radfem lies. They demanded power, but when some power was conceded to them they didn't use it, as men would, for the greater good, but rather just used it for their own self aggrandizement and luxury, exactly as their socialization taught them to.

The way out of that, while not a quick fix, is to make self-awareness part of radfem. And here is the ultimate joke of the whole debacle, that I as a neurodivergent transexual woman can be self-aware till the cows come home, but the very thing that makes me self aware also makes me the most marginalized person in western civilization, with no power to do anything at all.

All trans stories are tragedies.

>>43703771
o7

>>43703771
I’m a failed male and I decided to transition. I know my place, it’s to satisfy and reward males that haven’t failed in life.

>>43703292
Honestly... I can understand why they are alone after dating quite a few of them.....

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>>43703677
>thats fine, youre still left with a decent number of people in a highly connected world.
No you arent lmao. So basically the rest of this is that you bullied a guy for being short??

>>43703792
Good luck finding any.

>>43703800
Ikr.. how do we make more real men?
Where_the_hell_is_my_husband.mp3

>>43703716
>selflessness can be one hell of a vice and that they need to put themselves first in a way that actually makes them happy rather than down a dope spiral.
Agreed. Men these days are stuck in a mindset of wanting others to serve them when we should be serving others.

>young women are graduating from college at significantly higher rates than young men
>young women are entering high-paying professional fields in record numbers
>women date up in terms of education, height, and income
>a small percentage of men get the vast majority of attention on dating apps
>6 feet is treated as the baseline, even though only about 14% of American men are actually 6 feet or taller
>digital dating forces people to explicitly state physical criteria
>women often avoid men with no friends
>Gen Z and Millennials have significantly fewer close friends than older generations did at their age

>>43703758
i think thats precisely it, nona. political feminism is the bitch of that childhood socialisation, and no matter what feminist women say they never ever make actual tangible moves against that socialisation system. there are some feminist women out there with beautiful, salient critiques of all this. none of them have ever made the slightest impact on it.

>>43703765
>>43703771
i dont really disagree with you, but i think you need a deeper analysis. the mechanism youre taking issue with is oxytocin, which regulates othering behaviour in humans. low oxytocin function people such as the autistic are detected via unconscious mechanisms and (we have published research on this) are instinctively treat with scorn and contempt by all neurotypicals. there are quick fixes for this on the side of autistics in terms of pharmacological solutions, but its also very obvious the sheer fucking scale of the damage that this oxytocin driven prejudice does to the whole of society so i can absolutely understand hesitancy to embrace it. we also know that oxytocin drives different behaviour in men vs women (though we dont know if this is steroidally vs prenatally controlled) where consistent exposure to social defeat experiences causes desensitization in males (and thereby social obliviousness) vs cis females who internalise the social defeats much more deeply and thereby learn to socially conform better. this mechanism lies at the heart of what you are talking about and i seriously think research on this is going to be as earth shattering to neurotypical society as GLP-1 research was to fatphobic society.

How long until everybody is just fucking robots anyways?

>>43703821
Anybody who tells you the height thing is real is intentionally trying to gaslight you. There's a reason incel communities are all majority manlets.

>>43703761
yeah, because the old trannies are sizequeen gayfags and the new trannies are actual women (bisexual golddiggers who hate short men)

>>43703814
>Agreed. Men these days are stuck in a mindset of wanting others to serve them when we should be serving others.
uh no? you should be serving yourselves. put down the grand cause for a bit and invest in yourself. the looksmaxxers are unironically the biggest positive development in masculinity in a decade and a half.

>>43703837
>yeah, because the old trannies are sizequeen gayfags and the new trannies are actual women (bisexual golddiggers who hate short men)
who the fuck cares about what an actual woman is? bitches need to learn to want whats good for them, not whats socially acceptable to want.

>>43703848
Amen. The biggest cuck thing ever is everybody suddenly caring what others think so much.

>>43703848
yeah. what's good for them is ripping off old ladies, even if it's not socially acceptable.

>>43703680
Honscience, no you didn't
>>43703829
Feminism is hardly even a political force, everyone hates it and there is no organized feminist action. How could they ever make moves against any sort of socialization? If you could you'd think they'd be able to do something about the younger generations becoming more misogynist than their fathers due to misogynist social media influencers, porn, etc.

>>43703841
Looksmaxxing is a dead end philosophy. Sure changing your looks can improve your attraction but it can't replace your autism anon.

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>>43703812
Spergrant 2 - men's mental health is everyone's problem. Another great choice!

Getting men into the therapy that they desperately, DESPERATELY need, seems to be the most impossible challenge since fighting a land war in Asia during the winter.

Not only is there barely any resources available, but the resources that are available are of such low quality, but also the men themselves have been taught that therapy is failure and weakness, rather than a path to strength. And it's ironic because they all scouring the internet for Yoda or Uncle Iroh, and finding Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate, neither of whom come to mind when I think of guys I'd like to fuck.

The obvious tip of the iceberg is bad enough. The drug addicted, the observably mentally ill, the homeless, the learning impaired, wandering the streets making us all feel unsafe. And society blames them for not being given the support they need to be healthy productive and included.

But of course to transexual women we get to see the entire iceberg, we meet guys on dating sites, and in chat rooms, and certainly here on 4chan, that are clearly not sexually viable and have not been able to deal with that reality in any healthy way. Certainly some of them could be boyfriend material if they actually got help. But not only is help not available but they wouldn't take it if it was offered.

And while it's perfectly obvious to us it's completely invisible to the powers that be that these men are a drain on the system that the system needs them to support.

Men's mental health is everyone's problem. Because the government needs to invest in it in order to get productivity out of men that can taxed to pay for other things. It's not a luxury to be thought of after we done the important thing, it's the important thing. And not investing it it cost sooooooo much more than investing in it.

>>43703292
nobody socializes with strangers irl anymore, social media grooms moids and foids to hate each other

>>43703909
All short men need to transition NOW.

>>43703841
lmfao looksmaxxing is indeed the endgame, its genocide of the self, its like jenkem iykyk. you were born in the gas chambers kid, ofc you cant see this

>>43703860
kind of desu

>>43703861
sorry, what? are you so cucked by capitalism that you cant imagine your wants prior to market conditions?

>>43703881
> If you could you'd think they'd be able to do something about the younger generations becoming more misogynist than their fathers due to misogynist social media influencers, porn, etc.
the problem here though is that they cant even conceptualise the problem. women do actually significantly lack in certain empathetic dimensions and its crippling them politically.

>>43703889
for now. it cant cure your autism yet. read >>43703829

>>43703933
there is no self. you were born so your mother could shove your face in her tit and have a sad little pedophilic wank. if this notion disturbs you so much you refuse to engage with it, then youre not fixable yourself.

>>43703946
yeah im one of the guys who made your ideology so you can die off but w/e keep smashin ur face with hammers for me

>>43703957
>yeah im one of the guys who made your ideology so you can die off but w/e keep smashin ur face with hammers for me
you cant really kill me, straight boy. ive been around before and ill be around again. here as ever to get what i want by any means.

>>43703946
>sorry, what? are you so cucked by capitalism that
yes
see: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2025/08/milestones-to-adulthood.html and https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/18/us-women-are-outpacing-men-in-college-completion-including-in-every-major-racial-and-ethnic-group/

>>43703946
Again, I accept the superiority of better and taller men. I am a failed male so I am taking HRT. I need to become a fucktoy for real men and be less of a masculine threat to real women. Women are superior to cis men in all ways.

>>43703975
oh dear

>>43703978
girl what
if this is your fetish then you do you but i hope to god you havent actually been like, cucked into viewing yourself that way.

>>43703986
This is not a fetish. I am not yet attractive/too fat/transitioned enough that men like me. I have autism.

I want cis women to not hate me.

>>43703992
>I have autism.
god speed fellow extramaterial thinker

>I want cis women to not hate me.
work on your magic. youll get there.

>women ages 25–34 are now more likely than men to have a bachelor’s degree across every major racial and ethnic group
>fewer young men are reaching traditional adulthood milestones (moving out, marriage, kids, full-time employment)

>>43704005
I don't understand why they're doing so bad. What happened?!

>>43704018
nearly 2 decades of economic decline in every way that matters to the average person.

>>43703909
Why does she talk about short men like they're subhuman

>>43704018
the economy is bad and our politicians are bad and corporations are too powerful and capitalism has hijacked society, reducing the quality of life of regular people to make the rich richer
but young women are insulated from this by hiring policies, diversity programs, HR departments, etc.

>>43704005
>>43704031
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>>43704026
alsooo, you gotta remember that cisfs are social status driven more than cism are, so even if the value of a degree plummets theyre gonna chase them because socially its better to have a degree regardless. if we started shaming people for this the rate of degrees would go into freefall and cis women would hide the fact that theyve got one if it doesnt economically benefit them.

>>43703656
truuuuu. financial incentives for aborting xy fetuses would go crazy. the core problem is that there's a mismatch between the two directions of heterosexual desire; having there be fewer men balances this (and makes the men who make it through the gauntlet better-off wrt dating, see Soviet dating in the aftermath of WW2). it also lowers the violent crime rate.....

>>43704018
Women are supported, even in "feminist" societies.

Men are taught how awful it is to be supported, so this leads to isolation, insanity, and being at the mercy of a sex market where they have to throw money (that they don't have) at mercenary women whose standards have ascended and men whose only perogative is to not play a truly awful, self-deprecating game.
Why play if all you do is lose?

>>43704033
>One issue is that I would not be able to bring myself to get something off the top shelf for a man. It’s immature. It’s discriminatory.
>But what do you mean, you can’t do it yourself? What would you do if I weren’t around? Jump? Grow up.

https://www.icns.es/en/news/the_intellectual_quotient_of_university_students_plummets

>If he’s my height exactly, he would want to have a seriously good sense of humour and a trust fund.
>However, the minimum height that I would entertain on a dating profile is 6 foot.
do "straight" women love men or do they just love money and feeling uwu smol bean?

>>43704080
true female heterosexuality is very rare, most women just have a fetish inculcated in them from childhood, a form of semi-autopedophilic autogynephilia. its nobody's fault, the world just sucks

>>43704080
most modern relationships are out of convenience and assurance, not love

>>43704096
What would make this peak AFaBhate fuel would be if the guy provided accurate information about his dimensions beforehand

and she was still disappointed

>>43704089
anon, i agree with you but please dont resort to not blaming people for diffuse states of blame. we gotta hold people accountable.

>>43703760
You sound hot can you fuck me pls

>>43703908
I got no (You)s for this and I'm upset about that

>>43703326
gas the zuccs of the world, gas the ones co-opting traumatized women that turned to manhating, promote the men and women that can build and lead good communities that take care of their marginalized members
me for prez of the planet 2028

>>43703616
good post

>>43704275
random nerds were not hooking up with foids on here tho

>43704194
missed the forrest for the trees and did not speak to me

>>43703829
>consistent exposure to social defeat experiences causes desensitization in males (and thereby social obliviousness) vs cis females who internalise the social defeats much more deeply and thereby learn to socially conform better.
based, i got a mix of the two

>>43703765
>trans women offering a sensitive and non-judgemental embrace for broken men, it's the same basic principle. "I know what you're going through and while I can't make it stop, I can at least offer you sympathy."
fuck if this isn't a huge reason why you lot are saints

>>43704298
I wish I looked like a saint.

>>43703760
>just world phallusy
sry my dude ur blinded by ur own success. some of the cels do be like that, but there's a whole lot more where different mechanisms are at play

>>43704311
I wish you did too, in a fair world women's beauty would be proportional to their character, and a fallen one would always positive-feedback back up to inner and outer beauty

>>43703616
Meds faggot

>>43704298
they're not saints, thats just what people are like when they actually care. dont mystify genuiety

>>43703616
>its literally entirely a choice
10-15 years ago random nerds on this site were hooking up with female users cis and trans just by like, saying hello and having a gram of nerdy boy charm to them. now none of you fucks will leave the house unless you see a signed contract for a blowjob and a foot on the property ladder. i hate to sound like a fucking boomer but have any of you tried actually trying to get in peoples pants rather than crying about how its literally impossible? like how are you bisexual and a 25 year old virgin for example? how is that a thing that happens?
Literally men are constantly asking women out in every board what are you smoking

>>43704327
>in a fair world women's beauty would be proportional to their character
You know you're the one who decides what beauty is right?

>>43704108
think short guys feel like they have to lie/catfish and then just hope the other person doesnt notice/likes them anyways/likes them despite it

>>43704352
That's why good women are much more beautiful to me, and even objectively hot ones become disgusting if they're rotten inside. I wish it worked that way for more people.

>>43704096
kek I like this guy

>>43704331
that's sainthood in my book for women in that particular situation, given how much the opposite behavior is promoted by engagementmaxxing platforms and people

>>43704403
grrrr, hmph whatever

>>43703292
Society has been killed and instead we are now a collection of alienated individuals who hate and fear each other, and as things grow worse around us we retreat further into ourselves. It also doesn't help that dating has been reduced to a commodified impersonal casino driven by algorithms to maximize user retention.

>>43704420
thank you for being a decent human being, nona. you girls really are angels to so many people

>>43704426
>instead we are now a collection of alienated individuals who hate and fear each other
And themselves! Increased marketing leverage with this one weird trick! It worked for the broads by making them insecure about their bodies, and expanding that approach to more things to feel bad about and a larger audience has been fantastic for capturing more profit!

>>43704279
they absolutely were and there are photos of it.

>>43704290
same desu. i dunno if weve any data on cognitive androgyny in that area but i have to imagine it exists to some extent.

>>43704329
you cant medicate away pattern matching, retard

>>43704338
>Literally men are constantly asking women out in every board what are you smoking
i dunno, the constant whining from people about being unable to get laid/find a bf?

>>43704374
I just want someone to think I'm pretty.

>>43704863
my ex was the prettiest girl in the world to me, and seeing her laugh was my greatest joy
>ex
yeah yeah, incompatibilities etc; still wish that dumdum has a good life

>What are trannies thoughts on why the majority of young men are incels? You have seen both sides.
I have not really seen both sides but I do agree that transition gives you a unique perspective on gender and sex.

I think a lot of men are emotionally stunted and do not realise. They have learned to close themselves off and do not really know what it is to sincerely and earnest feel things, or to allow themselves to be vulnerable. Both of these things are skills that must be practiced to be perfected, and both of these skills are essential to forming good connections with other people.

Essentially I think a lot of young men walk around with a constant permanent sense of inadequacy that they lack the emotional intelligence to process and move on from. They also lack the skills required to form genuine connection with others. Both these things encourage resentment and isolation.

It also means the quality of relationships for everyone right now is pretty bad - men to be honest are not very skilled in building healthy relationships. Women have their own gender troubles here too, which contribute. It means that in most instances people can't access meaningful relationships that build up slowly and strong, and so end up in unfulfilling disposable things instead. This also then means factors like appearance, money etc become more significant because that is often all women feel a man can provide, given that so few are able to be good partners.

>>43703759
Real

>>43703326
>1
100%. Women vilify the men they were never attracted to, to alleviate themselves from some of the guilt of being attracted to handsome abusers.

>>43704947
I think the manhating rhetoric doesn't help. Young and sadly also nowadays older women being emotionally stunted in that direction, is really reducing the normal intergender play that allowed men and women to understand each other more. Now that engagement maximizing platforms have stoked the gender segregation that much more, women are left to echo chamber their own delusions, and the majority of relationship-incompetent men are left high and dry, as the successful ones are less prone to share their competitive advantage with the rest.
tldr gas zucc and mandatory re-education camps for manhaters and incels (two sides of the same coin)

>>43703759
cucked upbringing => cucked men

>>43704999
I don't hate men, in fact I feel a great deal of sympathy for them considering what I described. I think what I said is true and I think I do have some first hand experience of how cold and isolating the world can be when you're expected to perform masculinity in that way, which I believe is inherently numbing and alienating. I love men and the sensitive, compassionate, emotional men in my life are some of my closest relationships. I have also, sadly, learned first hand how finding those men requires meeting many men who are emotionally numb, poor communicators, and deeply insecure. What I feel towards them is not hatred so much as concern.

In fact it seems you are the one here who has gender related scorn perhaps.

>>43703292
> Listen up cis male straighties (we just slur them as incels now, without an ounce of irony or self reflection).

>In order to get laid or be given societal motivation for sex, you must be trooned or gay.

Congrats, you eliminated the human race.

>>43705026
>poor communicators
I guess my response would be that communication is a two way street, and often times when people explode at me for "not knowing how to talk", it's the exact people who have spent years ignoring my attempts to generate some kind of a back and forth.
I never had a problem talking to people who didn't shut me down, or ignore me. You know?

>>43705060
I get the impression that you are letting personal things cloud your judgement of my post. I never made any comment about you or your communication skills, I was speaking of my experience as a woman dating men. You might well not be anything like the sort of man I was talking about. And I am sure I am nothing like the people who have exploded at you.

>>43705094
Well, as someone who is regularly accused of having poor conversation skills, I'm in a position to explain how that comes across from the other side, and generally it comes across as them communicating to me that they don't like me because I'm autistic.
If you say something you're "being weird", and if you say nothing you're "being antisocial".

>men cheat on women at unprecedented rates, somehow this is women's fault

>>43705136
The specific sort of communication I am describing is not really about saying something or saying nothing. Its more like, there is a pattern some men have in regards to being unaware of their own feelings. Its like this;
>something upsets or irritates a guy. it may be unrelated to his partner
>he is either unaware of the fact he is upset, or else unable to directly tell his partner how he feels. perhaps he feels he could just push it down and not make a big deal of things
>being human, though, how he feels needs to be expressed somehow. it comes out indirectly, such as by getting angry at his partner for something unrelated
To use you as an example, my post clearly bought up feelings relating to your past experiences navigating relationships whilst being autistic. Perhaps if we were together, that would have escalated into an argument despite my thoughts having nothing to do with that really. The other way it could have gone is like, a more direct conversation that starts with 'what you said dug up some insecurity for me, I feel sometimes I am a poor communicator to'. The later, rather than escalating, would allow me to show up for how he felt yk. But often men find that quite hard - its vulnerable and most guys have negative experiences of being vulnerable, sometimes specifically within the context of opening up to a girlfriend or something.

But as a girl who very consciously does make room for my partners feelings, that does make dating men tricky!

>>43703292
COVID nuked people's social skills and also the availability of porn creates weird incentive issues.

>>43705206
Are you saying you want me to very specifically state "this makes me feel bad", as opposed to it just kind of being obvious that you shouldn't do things that make people feel bad?

>>43705026
Whoops, I should've given it another read, I didn't mean to imply you're one. It was aimed at the general rhetoric on one side that gets heavily signal-boosted by engagement algorithms. The general rhetoric on the other side that gets heavily signal-boosted by engagement algorithms is also retarded, of course.
Hence my very nuanced and serious suggestion to gas zucc-adjacents, restore third spaces, reintroduce the animals of group A and group B to each other in small quantities and in optimal circumstances to get them to interact decently with each other, and also eat the (guilty subset of the) rich.

>>43705254
That's called communication, yes. You're going to have to accept a reality in which humans can't work based on only your thoughts. Flapping lips is hard, but some people say talking is part of the living experience.

>>43705254
To be clear I am not the other anon >>43705275 here but they beat me to it. Yes, that is what I am saying. That is what it means to communicate well. You are assuming people can read your mind, which they cannot.

For example if you felt upset at something your partner was doing but didn't tell them, then got angry that they did not stop doing it, that would be on you for not communicating well.

This is one of the reasons I find dating men hard.

>>43705206
>as a girl who very consciously does make room for my partners feelings, that does make dating men tricky!
gas anon here, I'm bored of the gender wars now and in human connection + curiosity mode due to that line, and I also like focusing on positive experiences, as that makes the whole conversation more positive ime. How do you find the men that are compatible enough communication-wise, and do you have some examples of good communication that really warmed up your heart?

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>>43703292
>both sides

Idk I was never an incel. Had plenty of gfs and female attention to the point that I didn't even notice the advances of some girls. This whole argument that guy's are trooning out due to chronic lack of pussy is a line of shit. You're just an incel with troon thoughts so you rationalize that this must be how trannies experienced things but you're "stronger than those freaks" so you unconsciously repress like a true king.

>>43705299
>You are assuming people can read your mind, which they cannot.
>For example if you felt upset at something your partner was doing but didn't tell them, then got angry that they did not stop doing it, that would be on you for not communicating well.
>This is one of the reasons I find dating wo/men hard.
can i get an a'men

>>43705320
>This whole argument that guy's are trooning out due to chronic lack of pussy is a line of shit.

Nah I totally believe a small section of trannies are just braindead incels trying to reroll. This isn't even a comment on trannies. This is just how bad the incel brainrot can take control of you if you hyperfixate on sex too hard.

>>43703292
>Study finds that a lot of less attractive men (younger) and women (older) are single.
>who are all the more attractive women and men dating?!?!
idk mang Jeffrey of Fox News, its a very provocative mystery why don't you tell me

>>43705206
Nta but I feel like you're overestimating how many women are genuinely emotionally intelligent in that way. I'm not so stubborn as to suggest men at large aren't also stunted emotionally, but the stereotype of the girlfriend or wife who expects you to read her mind exists for a reason. Really, most people are just philosophical zombies.

I've had longterm relationships with women who, at the end of the day, really only saw themselves as someone with emotional needs. My most recent "relationship", which was really just a sadistically drawn out talking stage, a series vague naval-gazing about whether SHE was ready for a relationship or not. I would describe most of my hetero relationships as having been one-sided and selfish, and while you can blame that on the expectations set by moids, I think trying to pin the problem on one gender misses the point that this entire thing is a negative feedback loop. Men and women are both living up to expectations set by the other, and neither are benefiting from it

>>43705329
doesn't even have to be braindead, amabs are risk takers due to high T so some of them will unironically trannymaxx since some people dont give much of a fuck about their gender (compared to their regular suffering) and are comf enough on more places of the spectrum

>>43705329
Yeah but that's like 1% of trannies, which are themselves 1-2% of the population. I'm just annoyed at this talking point that the OP is trying to manufacture that people are trooning out because they can't get gfs. It's like people take the "I couldn't get a gf so I became a gf" meme 100% deadly seriously and using it as an excuse to torture trans people by beaurocracy.

>>43705275
>>43705299
Okay, but I think it should be obvious that for example you don't take cracks at people's appearance, or behaviour, or use them as a source of humour in a way that is cruel, unless you very specifically know they're up for that.
If you're going to put me on the back foot and force me to specify that this makes me feel bad, that feels like a form of victim blaming.

>>43705351
The funny thing is that even if it was true incels are diving so hard they're transitioning.... So? Mind your fucking business.

>>43705393
The majority of the times this happens to me its just like, the guy has some random bug bear. You're giving a sort of extreme example. The situations I've been in have often been like he was upset at something unrelated to me but like, was taking it out on me for example. Getting irritated by me doing innocuous stuff because he was in a bad mood, and also totally unable to tell me how he was feeling directly.
>>43705341
Yes, I would agree with this. I mentioned above how women have their own issues too, I just think it comes from a different place. In my experience I have a better time with women but desu that might be because gay dating is different idk.

I think the reason I pin this on gender in this instance, is that I think it is fair to say that expectations put on men leads them to over time become more closed to themselves and others in many instances. I'm not even saying this as a blame thing, its a real shame how men are expected to be unfeeling.

>>43705540
well these are the kinds of scenarios where i get accused of not being able to communicate. When other people (often women) are just trashing me, and I step in and try to set the record straight.

leave the little men alone, they did nothing to you!

>>43705696
Yes as I mentioned before I am not talking about you lol? I'm not sure why you think this is like, directed at you and your past relationships.

>>43703373
Women have heard all their history about how they are bad and hated by men but maybe the female mind is stronger than the mind of a male

>>43703292
That will unironically be used to get men into the army

>>43705751
Woman have much higher emotional intelligence than men. I'm not a man hater, but women are the glue of society. I love a good man, but men are inherently bad for cohesion.

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>>43703292
>thoughts on why the majority of young men are incels?
Have you ever dated one?
They're broke, they can't plan dates, they never ask anything about you, and 6/10 of them don't believe in making themselves look good. And then their personalities aren't fantastic you have to weed out anyone racist, misogynistic, or transphobic. AND a lot of them dislike fem-leaning interests so much that many of them have to be met on their level, not yours... It's like they're making it hard on purpose.....

>>43705886
Yea, pretty much this

>>43703616
>10-15 years ago
online communities and even 4chan have changed A LOT in that timespan. in general i feel like people here used to be much more laissez faire about making friends online

>>43705886
>>43705903
Also if you bring any of this up, even diplomatically, they get mega insecure and defensive and try to make out that you're an evil bitch. Dating men at the moment feels like having to accept absolute bread crumbs. I wold rather be alone.

>>43705725
Because no one ever hears the other side of the "men can't communicate" accusation.
Is it even true, or are women just impossible?

>>43705839
Don't women's space inevitably end up erupting in drama?

>>43705944
I'll be real diva I think you are demonstrating in real time that you can't communicate as you seem to largely be ignoring what I'm saying lol
>>43705957
In my experience this is much more uncommon than spaces with men and often involves men indirectly when it does happen

>>43705942
Here here sister

>>43705957
It's very rare outside of tv drama. Just like women only do 5% of crime, or <1% of murder. Women are just socially superior by a huge metric.

>>43706021
Whenever there's some kind of all female work-place, that's how it goes.

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>>43703616
>like how are you bisexual and a 25 year old virgin for example? how is that a thing that happens?
How is that confusing for you? Being celibate is what happens when you’re just existing. Sex doesn’t “find you” unless you look like a male model.
I’m always baffled by how baffled elder millennials and gen x are that I “somehow haven’t had sex yet at 32”. It’s the easiest thing in the world lol, what were you like being chased by horny women all the time or something lol?
When you’ve gone this long without something and you turn out ok, it’s really tempting to just stop looking for it.

>>43705972
>woman accuses you of something
>you try to explain yourself
>woman insults you and says you can't communicate
Yes, that's generally how it goes.

>>43703292
some are okay but the women hating kind are terrible
t. femcel tranny

>>43706062
I've worked with all women and it was wonderful. It seems obvious to me. Like testosterone literally makes you abrasive, challenging, confrontational, and prone to violence. There's lots of loner men, and few loner women. Do you have any examples?

>>43706088
I never accused you of anything to begin with, as I have now told you about 4 times. You seem unable to get past the idea that you are being accused, which is a good example of what I mean about people who passively express their emotions without self awareness. That is why I think you are a poor communicator.

>>43706126
I mean, most of my family are women, and they're endlessly fighting with their friends, and other family, female employers. That was my entire childhood.

>>43706137
You're speaking broadly about men, so I'm here to represent a male perspective.
>your claim: men can't communicate
>my claim: people who accuse me of not being able to communicate, are usually not communicating well in the first place
>your response: shut up, bitch. I'm not talking to you. You're emotionally subnormal

>>43706143
It might appear to be fighting to a male brain, but they were actually working things out instead of pushing it down and blowing up. My mom works at social services with over 200 women and almost no men, and there's no drama there. The big things are lack of violence and lack of vindictiveness in female populations. Also women seem to naturally fall into biological based hierarchies instead of them all chaotically and constantly challenging each other.

>>43705839
>women are the glue of society.
>men are inherently bad for cohesion.
still reminds me of the ol dailyfail classic
>Woman starts all female company to realize her Utopian dream and benefit the absence of men. Despite having made $500k in the first year she had to shut down due to catfights, jealousy, infighting, competition, sexual aggression and no work was done. Conclusion: she would rather employ males only.
turns out women are just as useless at cohesion as men are, and we complement each other to reduce the stupid stuff the other group does when it becomes too much of a sausage fest or clam jam

>>43706209
They weren't working things out. Generally, friendships ended, and then stayed ended.

>>43706170
I never said that, I gave a very direct example of you not listening to me within this conversation lol. I didn't call you names and I don't think you're subnormal or a bitch.

The very first time I (you)'d you, I explained how you might communicate really well and this isn't about the examples you gave. I gave an example of what I meant by poor communication, which you sort of ignored to get back to your gripes from your past relationships.

Considering how this is going I am done talking with you and if I was your gf this is when I'd say you needed to work on your communication.

>>43706222
It made me feel bad when you said that. Apologise.

>>43703908
The way we arrange ourselves socially is not conducive to helping men in any meaningful way. No amount of going to therapy and changing how I think about things will change what is observed and reinforced on a daily basis.

>I worked very hard to become the person that I am.
>The person that I am is still trash in the eyes of society
>Trash as in: not worthy of a relationship, family, any meaningful status, even basic respect
>I started the race at -1000m while others started at 0m or +1000m
>I am told to vaguely "improve" and to "be better" and to "go to therapy"
>The reward for "improving" and "being better" seems like a bad deal

What are you asking me to do? Let's put all the romanticism aside and just be real. I want regular access to sex, I want children, I want a role to fulfill in society. You want me not to be a drain on society/violent/useless. We threw out the social arrangements that we had that gave me what I wanted and gave you what you wanted.
I'm 29 years old, I have degrees, I have a tech job, i own my own place, I am willing to doxx myself to prove a point that I am not hideous. This isn't "fantastic achievements" but considering where I started and where I am? I am genuinely proud of myself.
I want a wife. Any woman who can be remotely considered wife-material thinks i'm subhuman. She treats me like i'm nothing special because I am nothing special. I worked really fucking hard to be nothing special.

>>43706126
>testosterone literally makes you abrasive, challenging, confrontational, and prone to violence
pretty much all deboonked, just like women's hysteria due to wandering uteri

>>43706221
Sad, but that is still working things out. Women are more prone to not wasting time too.

>>43703292
I think it's mainly the results of young men not willing to come out gay

>>43706231
No lol, I don't owe you anything because you are an internet stranger who is being weird to me. I don't care about your feelings sorry. I said it because I wanted you to feel bad.

>>43706233
All of this nonsense will stop the moment we stop subsidizing women

>>43706262
And that's good communication?

>>43706240
Roid rage is beyond proven. We had a local testosterone guy drive into another car at a fast-food drive through because they took too long ordering food. Can you ever, in a million years, imagine a woman doing something similar?

>>43706209
>lack of vindictiveness in female populations
lol
>women seem to naturally fall into biological based hierarchies
lmao
political intrigue and backstabbing are the bread and butter of the snake pit gender, regular men (not politician lizards) tend to establish a hierarchy much faster to get shit done

>>43706273
Not really but I'm not in a relationship with you, and you were the one who devolved this first. I am not trying to demonstrate good communication with you, I tried to talk with you and it failed because you don't listen. You upset me so now I am winding you up.

I can tell you have autism btw

>>43706264
Then the human race ends you freak. You've been watching too much handmades tale and getting ideas

>>43706279
And that's good communication?

>>43706276
>apex fallacy
don't play stupid, we both know you womanfolk aren't this low iq

>>43706282
How would that end the human race?
Who watches The Handmaid's Tale? lol. It's mid-woman goon fantasy, based on a book that the author wrote about the Iranian revolution.

>>43706282
"when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression", shitlord

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>>43706300
femcels man, shits hilarious

>>43706233
(Cont)
I need some form of indication that my efforts are making any fucking progress at all. From 13 to 29 despite everything, nothing at all has changed in women's interest in me. The only constant is people telling me to "be better". I open my eyes to the fucking world and the first thing i'm told is "YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH! BE BETTER!".
>Go to gym, makes no difference
>Get degrees and job, makes no difference
>Get nice place, makes no difference
>Hobbies, make no difference
>Apps, socializing, whatever the fuck, makes no difference
Then i see other guys do absolutely nothing at all and win. I just need to try harder! Why? It's clearly not working, so why try harder? Responses to this boil down to either:
1- Normie gaslighting
2- Redpill stupidity
3- Insults/degradation/shaming tactics

You want me to do something but you won't give me what I want in exchange. So you resort to manipulation.

>>43706278
Wrong
>Research in evolutionary biology and psychology suggests men and women utilize different social structuring strategies. Men more frequently participate in large, formalized dominance hierarchies based on agonistic competition. In contrast, women traditionally form smaller, egalitarian networks that emphasize prosocial behavior and equal status.

I can easily dig up tons of corroborating evidence

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>>43703292
Personally I don't really know what's the problem because I never really cared about getting a girlfriend anyway? I think it's a big issue though. Social alienation caused by tech or political and social polarization could negatively affect our future.

>>43706301
Learn to green text tourist lol

>>43706319
>traditionally
There's your problem, in traditional small group settings, supported by gender co-mingling, there's enough carrot and stick to put a significant damper on toxic femininity. Current settings are veering further and further away from that, resulting in the increase of suboptimal behaviors on both sides of the gender war.

>>43706318
>give me what I want
Okay well this explains a lot lol

>>43706329
>must use meme arrows at all times
lol retard

>>43706346
Got any proof of any of that? Or just typical male fantasy ramblings?

>>43705206
>The other way it could have gone is like, a more direct conversation that starts with 'what you said dug up some insecurity for me, I feel sometimes I am a poor communicator to'.
Very gay.

>>43706365
burden of proof is on you lol

>>43703616
"trying to get in peoples pants" is rapey, my image will be on twitter within minutes and everyone will spit upon me if i ever show my face in public again

>>43706405
wdym that guy would be the best at drying up coochie at the club

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>>43706416
I mean there's like a million studies on it, what kind of proof are you looking for my low eq friend?

>>43706405
Yes I am gay this is a gay board. If a man said this to me I would be more attracted to him not less.

>>43706472
>just google it man, look at my MemeQ no source infographic
thank you im convinced

>>43703292
>Who are all the young women dating?
Other women. I'm kidding I wish that was true, 80% of them are "bisexuals" who only date the top 40-20% of men, I feel like an incel for agreeing with this sometimes but from everything I've seen I really think a lot of that stuff is genuinely true.

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>>43706442
Just follow the rules, it's easy

>>43706495
>I feel like an incel for agreeing with this sometimes
based gaslighting victim

>>43706233
>>43706318
(Cont)
I can list off a million and a half reasons for "why things are the way that they are". It doesn't matter, it won't change anything in practice.
1- Most men are worthless. Not "seem" worthless. NO. Most men genuinely are worthless, unnecessary, not needed.
2- We used to arrange ourselves via religion and social practices to GIVE these men worth.
3- We no longer have the mechanisms that grant these men worth.
4- Therefore, they are being treated as worthless.

Women are desirable. Women can make children. Women make good chemicals appear in people's brains. Women are always valuable, always have worth. Women are literally the source of all (social) value and worth. Anything that is "worth doing" or "meaningful" in the eye's of the group can be reduced to "pleases women or protects women or impresses women or serves women". This has always been the case. Woman is the telos of social arrangement. Civilization is the systematic allocation of value. Value is woman. Woman is pussy. Civilization is the systematic allocation of pussy.

We have reached a point where I am no longer needed, so I no longer get pussy. It's not fucking complicated. Why should i do anything if I don't get pussy? Before you say something dumb, think about it for a second. Without woman, 99% of male activities are entirely pointless.

Men own society nothing, dont die for your country

>>43703639
>More like standards have rocketed up to a degree most men can't keep up with. The average man isn't actually a 6'4 vampire billionaire who looks like Henry cavill
the average man literally doesnt even wash his ass cause "its gay". thats the problem here. im not asking for a 6'4 billionaire, im not a billionaire either. but im not gonna date the fucking genuinely revolting creatures that average moids for some fucking reason insist on being.

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>>43706542
>Men own society

>>43706583
Nooooooo, this spelling mistake will cost me 9000000 aura points

>>43706474
Most incels want pussy from a cute girl not hairy man asshole

>>43706590
:P

>>43706599
hair can can be removed, male expressed cells can be removed

>>43706353
Bitch either:
- does not understand the concept of barter/trade/I do X you give me Y
- does not understand the meaning of the word "give"

I understand that you're a woman and that makes you retarded, I get it. So i'll make it very simple:
>In exchange for doing certain things (or not doing certain things) society gives you certain things
For example:
1- I do not commit any crimes and I am granted relative safety and security in exchange

What's funny here is that your retarded vaginal brain thinks that i'm being entitled. In reality, you are demanding male labor and contribution to society in exchange for nothing. Men are saying "I have held up my side of the deal and you have given me nothing, so i will no longer hold up my side of the deal". I hope this can make it through your retarded NPC foid brain.

>>43706353
Why do you think you are not beaten and raped on the regular? It's a serious philosophical question.
At some point in time your male ancestors realized that you are a defenseless and borderline retarded hole. As such, they came up with convoluted systems to keep you safe and to regulate access to your hole.
Then, in your hubris, you rebelled against those very systems that were designed to keep you safe.

>>43706607
Lol. Lmao. Most incels don't want some tranny freak, anon.

>>43706708
freak just like beauty are in the eyes of the beholder

>>43703292
Women can go fuck themselves.

>>43703326
>1. Radical feminism hasn't reformed society, but villified neurodivergent men to avoid real issues.
interesting
> 2. Men's mental health is everyone's problem
how do you mean? Please dont give me copium about justice
> 3. Silicon Valley has been an unmitigated disaster for the human race.
succinct. Well said

#subscribe.

>>43706708
>tfw no tranny freak anon

>>43706726
No. Reality is far more objective than people want to admit.

I'm so fucking sad i'll never have a gf but it is what it is. I just have to subsume the bitterness and live through this piece of shit kike nigger life.

>>43706951
how so or just assume?

>>43706636
well, gee, no wonder you're still single, li'l moid

What should i do as a moid to be attractive to women and a good partner if i ever score with a foid.

>>43705206
>>something upsets or irritates a guy. it may be unrelated to his partner
>>he is either unaware of the fact he is upset, or else unable to directly tell his partner how he feels. perhaps he feels he could just push it down and not make a big deal of things
>>being human, though, how he feels needs to be expressed somehow. it comes out indirectly, such as by getting angry at his partner for something unrelated
my ex used to so this all the time and i fucking hated it
>>43706405
you're gayer

>>43706636
Sorry I left the thread but this is why women avoid you btw

>>43707192
have money
have cars
don't fly into fits of rage and destroy things
don't say you'll kill yourself if she leaves you
cook and clean

>>43706599
>>43706708
Hi I said above that I left the thread but in my experience most 'incels' are begging in my dms for just a taste lol. They are so desperate for human touch

>>43707199
>my ex used to so this all the time and i fucking hated it
Yeah I've left 2 people because of this behaviour. I am now with another woman who doesn't express herself like those guys did and it has been so healing ngl

>>43707211
I'm 21... Probably wont have money until im like 28 at best.
Should i stay by myself until then..

>>43707085
I use the rare ability of unbiased, pragmatic critical thinking and observation.

The arguments for "doood, like uhm, everything is subject mannn" are always based on word games, chicanery and clear emotional bias of not liking the objective answer so it's rejected.

The arguments for things being objective are always based on empirical evidence.

>>43703292
we live in moidworld and the typical incel isn't seen as manly enough, and instead of locking in and becoming woke sjw feminists they get sucked in by freaks that tell them women are at fault for not getting on their knees because its an easier worldview to hold

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>>43706219
that's literally lifted from the daily mail, founded by this guy pictured standing next to Hitler. it also reads as propaganda.

>>43707226
>I had 3 prison gay guys in my DMs
Waow. Now imagine if a cute cis girl and yourself were standing next to each other and he could pick either one and he would receive a relationship, sex and being treated well by whichever he picked. Almost no incel would pick you. And very few that did are ones with a fetish for trannies, getting off on you being a failed male.

>>43707248
most men are lower value until 30
women are lower value after 30
there's your answer for the article in the op too btw

>>43707296
>Almost no incel would pick you.
Lol good. I get random guys approaching me on the street to ask me out, I am not going to be sad if some incels would exclude me from their dating pool. Not all trannies have low enough self esteem to be upset when zero value male rejects avoid them. In fact that makes me happy.

>>43707317
>men are attracted to women's bodies
>women are attracted to men's money

>>43707290
>literally hitler propaganda
it's the daily fail, what do you expect, same as the fair and balanced murdochmedia in the op
>t. >>43706219

What can i do if id like to experience romance as a man with not a whole lot of money at age 21.

>>43707319
>uhmm most incels love me! heh, ego boooost
>oh well they don't b-but I don't care uhhh
Extreme cope.

>>43707335
Money is part of it. But men also take a long time to fully mature. A 32 year old man is far, far more mature than a 19 year old man.

>>43707396
You cannot.
You must spend your twenties working to become a moneyed chad. Then you can fuck women in their twenties when you're in your thirties.
PROTIP: get a vasectomy. If you get babytrapped then you're fucked. Treat women like meat, because they're only treating you like a wallet.

>>43707397
Oh sorry you misunderstood me - my first post was not about my own attractiveness, it was about the desperation of loser men. I hope that clarifies things for you :)

>>43707423
>vasectomy
>just cut your balls off and be an impotent half a man
Hell no faggot.

threads like this make me more lesbian

>>43707439
If your genes were worth anything, you wouldn't be needing this song and dance to begin with.

>>43707439
That's fine. You'll be the one paying child support, not me.
>>43707446
Political lesbians are always miserable lmao

>>43707439
that is not what a vasectomy is, you are describing and orchiectomy. a vasectomy is a (sometimes reversable) thing where they prevent sperm from reaching the part that makes seminal fluid. your hormones remain unchanged and you can still shoot loads, they just cannot get someone pregnant.

>>43707437
Both things are true. You were bragging about desirability as well as attempting to demean incels.

But the reality is that most incels do not desire you. And you are much less desirable than a cis girl.

>>43707465
oh i'm not a political lesbian, i like girls

>>43707348
complementary sexism is still obviously wrong.

>>43707467
I was bragging about the fact I am hot in order to demean incels, which is then why I continued to demean them by pointing out I don't care for loser men.
>And you are much less desirable than a cis girl.
To loser men yeah, as we established. Which is great for me!

>>43707467
>doesn't bleed once a month
>doesn't turn psycho once a month
>never gets pregnant
>not socialized to be useless
>enjoys cooking and cleaning
>has a dick, hopefully
trans women >>> cis women

>>43707474
>I like girls
transgirls, probably hahahah

>>43707421
ok so if i try to date a woman my age i'm not mature enough for her and if i try to date younger i'm a pedophile. got it. totally makes sense. women go from being innocent pure sexless babies at 17 to mature adults far more mature than me at 18. all them, instantly, without fail, the moment they blown out the candles on their birthday cake. but it probably makes me an immature pedophile to point out how ridiculous that is to (You), doesn't it?

>>43707461
I'm not an incel, I'm a successful male. I just find vasectomies awful. I will never get one, even though I'm done having kids. The bitch can tie her tubes.

>>43707465
>heckin child support
Just don't nut inside random chicks you don't want to knock up. Or make them take plan b.

>>43707466
>vasectomy is a (sometimes reversable) thing
>cannot get someone pregnant
Yeah, so an impotent cuck, exactly. The intrinsic ability to get a girl pregnant is a massive part of a man's virility. If you cannot get a girl pregnant, you are half a man.

>>43703292
Men arent lonely enough.

This is why they attempt to prey on young women who arent wise to their bullshit

>>43707509
I'm not a zoomer loser who freaks out over age gap relationships. Yes, you can rail out a 19 year old when you're 32 and it's perfectly fine.

>>43707516
nona this doesnt make any sense

>>43707512
>Just don't nut inside random chicks you don't want to knock up
That's the whole point of the "moneyed chad" plan. Fuck as many holes as you can, because it's not as though they're not good for anything else.
>Or make them take plan b
Too unreliable.

>>43707483
No, you are much less desirable than a cis girl to the vast majority of quality, hot men. Even more so for an actual relationship.

>>43707520
ok but if i'm 25 years old, i'm not mature enough to date women in their 20s, but will be shot in the head for dating older teenagers by crazed Americans? how does that make any sense?

>>43707509
>listening to women's actual words and "logic" and attempting to engage them at that level
>instead of listening for their feelings, soothing those if it makes sense or going to do something more useful otherwise
we really failed these boys with their upbringing

>>43707487
We get it, you have a fetish for failed men.

>>43707529
Idk I was just a broke chad who nut in dozens random girls but luckily never got any of them pregnant.

>>43707542
You just don't care and bang the 19 year old anyway. Tell anybody who whines to cry more.

>>43707546
We get it, you have nothing to offer except a uterus.

>>43707535
I know we've been winding each other up but do you honestly think that trans women have a uniquely difficult time finding men to date them. Its complicated for sure but what I have been saying here is true in that I've not had trouble with it. It's typically something that can be resolved with a conversation in my experience, if it is an issue at all.

>>43707574
I'm a cis male, retard. And yes, a uterus is exceptionally valuable.

>>43707583
>finding men to date them
date-date them or fuck them for a bit, maybe a few months or a bit longer if he's extra desperate or gay?

>>43707583
>do you honestly think that trans women have a uniquely difficult time finding men to date them
Yes. Especially long term. Further, any man who would date a tranny long term and even marry them is extremely fucked up.

Also, this goes back to what I was saying earlier. Put you and a cis girl next to each other. Who are men picking? It's the cis girl.

>>43707606
>Put you and a cis girl next to each other. Who are men picking? It's the cis girl.
I just don't really think thats how attraction works because there's not a cis version of me to be put next to lol. If a guy likes me he likes me right? He's not weighing that against an imaginary cis doppelganger.
>any man who would date a tranny long term and even marry them is extremely fucked up
Cope and if you spent any time speaking to normal trans women you'd find plenty with husbands
>>43707604
Cope see above

>>43707423
I want to have cutesy romance...

Genuinely dont care about sex i just want to out on walks with a girl and hold hands and blush and...
Eh. I'm too for old that sadly...

>>43707651
you're still young kid, I had that more than a few years older than you
don't let your dreams be memes

>>43707639
Gotta get a boyfriend for that these days.

>>43703292
because they're fucking losers who blame all of their problems on a society that is slowly, and finally shifting to not be entirely focused on them. Except it still is, but more explicitly on the rich men than ever before. They also are all retarded and get mindraped by russian/chinese propaganda which makes them more intolerable and gives them a convenient excuse to blame literally anything else other than their behavior. If you are just a decent guy who doesnt base his entire personality on being a loser with no hobbies desperately drooling for pussy while jerking off three times a day you can easily get a girl.

>>43707629
>I just don't really think thats how attraction works
Sure it is. The fact that you're trans and they're cis absolutely significantly effects the attraction. Vast majority of men will be put off by you being trans from the get go. Then you'll have guys who are attracted to you more because you're trans because of the fetish.
>He's not weighing that against an imaginary cis
They are, actually. Because of opportunity cost. Spending time, energy, effort, focus and money on you means it's not being spent on a cis girl they could obtain instead.
>you'd find plenty with husbands
Sure, and essentially invariably those husbands will be weak males and freaks. Not high flying chads.

>>43707682
>Vast majority of men will be put off by you being trans from the get go
In my experience this has not been the case because men do not know I am trans without being informed, which is what I meant by the conversation part. Generally I find men are open to trying things and seeing how it goes and most generally find its like dating any other woman really. It might not always work out but thats a normal part of dating and seeing if you are compatible. I won't pretend its not complicated by my being trans but thats generally more of a practical matter. For example if I get hit on by a stranger, what do I do? What you describe here is what you imagine its like living as a tgirl, its not really true to what its like in reality.

>Not high flying chads
Lol cute of you

>>43707676
Nah it's just fucking funny seeing foids realize that they pushed too far and most men want nothing to do with them anymore.
t. gay

>>43707722
>seeing how it goes
>It might not always work out
Lol. I wonder why that is.
>complicated by my being trans but thats generally more of a practical matter
A very relevant and relationship ending practical matter.
>Lol cute of you
Hm? Is this cope or something? If you look at the "husbands" of those trannies you will find they're like I said, weak males and freaks. Often men who had a body count of 2 then settled for a tranny out of desperation.

>>43707773
>Lol. I wonder why that is.
Generally nothing to do with me being trans. I've actually never experienced someone saying this is why they didn't want to be with me desu. I had one guy turn me down once really early transition I guess.
> Is this cope or something?
No I just think its cute when guys call themselves chads its like yeah you go we love a king with high self esteem aww

The sexes barely even interact anymore in a natural, casual setting. More and more human socialization is moved towards the internet, which is made up of countless little containers. Containers for every belief, interest, personality type, and so on, which lets like-minded people get together. But most interests lean heavily for one sex or the other, making men and women not interact online often outside places specifically for fucking, which are toxic and profit driven as well as being unnatural ways to meet. And IRL, most groups are also heavily sex-segregated. The more communal, local, natural socialization places have been lost. Churches are dead. Local community is dead. We have work, I guess, but lol (and it’s also pretty sex segregated in many fields).

tldr we just need to drag all incels and femcels and put them in a big empty room for like a week

>>43707795
>Generally nothing to do with me being trans.
Come on now.
>I've actually never experienced someone saying this is why they didn't want to be with me
I mean do you really expect them to scream in your face "I CAN'T HANDLE THE SHAME OF BEING WITH A FUCKING TRANNY AND NEVER HAVING KIDS AHHHHH".
>No I just think its cute when guys call themselves chads
Oh, well I hadn't called myself a chad yet. I am though, legit 8/10.
>its like yeah you go we love a king with high self esteem aww
Going to make me blush uwu

>>43707799
Fakecel chad would.just get a harem of femcels and the split.would remain 80/20

>>43707833
>Come on now.
Idk what to say I'm not lying to you, its just not been as big a factor as you imagine it is. The biggest impact being trans has on my dating is like I said, I miss out on opportunities to be with guys who are interested in me because I don't like disclosing to people I do not know well. The impression I get is that most men do actually see trans women as women so long as you look/act like one, and are generally more open minded than you'd think even if they have reservations or need time to think it over. My last three boyfriends are all guys I left, I've never really been broken up with. The one time the guy rejected me specifically for being trans was like...fair enough ngl I was early on and acting shamefully lol.
>I am though, legit 8/10
Can you please post bicep pics

>>43707841
like 99% of incels are “fakecel chads” (translation: people without anything horrifically wrong with them who could have normal sexual/romantic relationships in the right scenario)

>>43703837
god this is funny

>>43707525
Yeah it does.

Men lovebomb women, string them along, get sex and leave. A younger woman is less likely to be wise to this strategy

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>>43707864
>The impression I get is that most men do actually see trans women as women
They don't. Like they might put you in the woman's role, which might be good enough. But they'll always see you as a trans woman, not a literal woman.
>acting shamefully
Like right now, asking a strange man for pics of his bicep to lust over? Bad girl.
>Can you please post bicep
You did say please.

>>43707724
p much this, they'll continue desperately trying to win the narrative war with their shaming tactics but the cat's out of the bag now

>>43707996
I suppose I don't really see a distinction. As in I think you can see someone as trans and also a woman, these things are not in conflict. At least they are not to the guys I date.
>Bad girl.
I think you like it though or else why indulge me? :^)
Are you someone who would never be with a tgirl then? I am guessing you'd be open to something sexually but not a relationship right?
Asking just because I'm sort of curious about your mindset behind the shitposting we've been doing

>>43707996
Also you have nice arms. How much can you bench?

>>43707977
Women delusional enough to fall for the most basic fuckboy tactics after the third time stay delusional and just raise their standards for their "situationship" partner as they grow older, until they catlady it up or bitterly settle for some pussywhipped provider.
The ones that actually matured enough in their emotional control get off the pump and dump ride early enough because they start understanding men a bit more.

>>43708054
>I suppose I don't really see a distinction
Yeah I get it. If you're in the woman's role, that's a lot of it anyway. It's mostly brainworms to obsess over not TRULY being seen as a woman. You're not afab, is what it is. Gays do similar things too with roles.
>I think you like it though or else why indulge me? :^)
I thought it was cute. Also you're a twat but at least can think critically enough to have a conversation, which is nice. I also thought it was amusing you went straight to body, when it's really my face that makes me special.
>Are you someone who would never be with a tgirl then? I am guessing you'd be open to something sexually but not a relationship right?
I'm pansexual. So if you're actually hot, yes I'd blow my load down your throat, and strangle you in bed. Dates and things, cuz I like dates. But I wouldn't be looking to marry. Just a fun fling for a while. Fertile uterus is required for marriage.

>>43708063
215lbs 3x5.

>>43708091
What's there to understand? A woman's only value is its hole.

>>43708191
>Fertile uterus is required for marriage.
Ig this is what I meant by practical things, like yeah for a guy who wants a family its obviously more of a consideration. You'd be surprised as to how many guys do not have this super high priority though. Or at least it's never been a reason any of my relationships have ended.
Its sad as I'd love to be a mom one day.
>when it's really my face that makes me special.
I mean I assumed you'd not be so bold to post face here!

I think you are also a twat but I have enjoyed talking with you and would let you take me on a date if only so we could continue to flirt through bickering with one another
>215lbs 3x5
Gosh

>>43703292
i have a feeling part of the discrepancy is because young women and young men consider different things "dating." like for example a girl taking a guy to hang out all the time with no sex would consider that dating but a guy would consider that the friendzone.