I am personally against child transition. Are you?
I think people who dress up their kids in shit like that and post it online should be investigated by child protective services, yesDoes that mean I think kids should be bullied and driven to suicide for wanting to play with barbies instead of GI Joe? No, but I am certain that you do, and you probably jerk off to the idea since you seek out and save pics like that to your hard drive
>>43717620I don't really care how he's dressed but they should probably feed him a little more. This idea that "really skinny boy = girl" is really toxic.
>>43717609not really, I wish I transitioned as a kid...
If it leads to cuter and hotter trannies for me to fuck and breed when they turn 18, then I'm all for children transitioning.t. Bi chaser top
>>43717625what if they had dressed you in ugly ass outfits like this one all the time? even then?
Child transition is outfits and names for the happiness of your childWhen puberty hits you can find the appropriate psychologist and endocrinologistThe standard process is the most efficacious and beneficial to the widest marginYes, I am for this
>>43717609Below 15 should only happen in most extremely dysphoric cases15-18 with increased guidelines and precautions18 and above you should generally be able to do what you want to your body, if you're dysphoric you can pursue the medical way, if not then you'll have to pay for everything out of your own pocket
>>43717643Are there any actual examples of kids who were given estrogen at age 10/11 when male puberty starts, not blockers?
>>43717609obviously iam, puberty blockers should be allowed and social transition but only when they reach their teens. nothing else until adulthood. i find it abhorrent that seven year olds are transitioning, they are far too young to know
>>43717633ok then no, I would like to dress normal
>>43717739guess you don't really want to be a girl that badly
>>43717609Yes. Try to be an adult member of your natal sex first. Transition only if that doesn't work out. Most cases of childhood gender dysphoria desist during puberty if left alone.
>>43717747It's completely the opposite.
>>43717609I'm against surgeries like SRS, BA, and FFS for under 18s. Hormones OR blockers should be administered according to the intensity of the dysphoria, with a minimum age of 14, and waivers available for those to a minimum of age 12. I think this is a pretty reasonable compromise between the "transition for anyone under 18 is child abuse" and "just let whoever do whatever to their kid maaaaan" crowds.
>>43717774Desistance rates during adolescence were 80-90% in the 1970s and 1980s.Make "trans kids" pick up a football instead of watching tranny influencers on twitch
>>43717609I like the idea. I want my future child to be both genders, so I can trust them to carry both emotional and physical labor, instead of having to chance having a cis person that can only do one or the other.
>>43717785Yes I'm sure those studies committed in the 1970s and 1980s (peak HIV scare) were totally non biased against trannies and were in no way manipulated
>>43717809>data i dislike are manipulated!persistence only went through the roof after kids started getting affirmed and put on blockers, making desistance mean being at least a year behind their peers in physical development
>>43717784>>43717609Like seriously, why the fuck do people bitch about parents being able to discuss with doctor/therapist/child and determine whether social transition/blockers/hrt(under doctor's supervision) are appropriate? This is how we handle all other fields, why do this one differently?
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i got myself on grey market AAs st 14, estrogen at 16, srs at 19I wish i knew and had the possibility to have started at 12
>>43717609Dont care
>>43717879I had mostly finished male puberty by age 14.
>>43717609I agree but only in that all children should be Agender creatures until they are given educational information about what hormones do to your body. You can pick your gender at 13 or something like that.
>>43717825So, rates of persistence went up when trans children weren't being actively terrorized by every level of society? And you see this as a problem which should be reversed? It's no surprise that children given blockers are behind the curve developmentally...that's literally the whole point of blockers, to delay the onset of pubescent changes for those on the fence. Neither of those points changes the fact that studies on trannies in the 1970s and 1980s were written by people who were born in and have the sentiments of the 1940s and 1950s.
>>43717902sorry to hear thati hade late debut and by that time i had an idea about things. family wasnt super supportive but also not haters so it worked out ok, given the circumstancesi find it funny that it can work out well in poor countries like mine while "first world" and "civilized" countries generate a lot more horror stories
>>43717609No no, It's wrong to attempt to change what cannot be changed! This is what happens when puberty goes fourth in the birth sex direction without hormonal prevention in adolescence! If transgender persons are forced to wait until AFTER PUBERTY, they never look normal! Waiting until after puberty makes us into a permanent observable underclass!We would be forced to become deformed looking human beings who will always be casted out from normal society, simply by observation!If we can't have transgender changes in adolescence, please make it illegal all the way. No adult transition because you're creating a monster class of people who will never be able to participate in society in a positive way.
>>4371760916 should be the maximum age you start transitioning
>>43717998>>43717961Don't you ever get tired of telling bots to post this slop? I've seen dozens of variations of this argument and they're always formatted in the same way
>>43717961>Waiting until after puberty makes us into a permanent observable underclass!only if you're agphsts can transition after puberty and still pass because hsts are always severely undervirilized
>>43717902Yep. Male puberty is done by 16 in most cases. Some of the copes are hilarious."I still couldn't grow a beard at 16!" big deal. Facial hair continues to sprout under influence of androgens. Most males cannot grow anything decent until their mid-twenties. It's not like the skeleton which stops growing at some point.
>>43717652Theres a couple competent docs in amerikka but they usually started hrt at 12/13
>>43718019So your argument is my way expressing myself proves my words are invalid?Nonsense! When transgender people transition in adults they never pass as ordinary human beings of their chosen gender identity.
>>43718061It's too late anyway for most. Too much skeletal dimorphism gets baked in prenatally. You end up with people who look weird and underdeveloped as they age.
>>43718057>>43718070Anyone with a scientific mind would understand that transitioning is only positive for the person if they can look like the normal sex or transitioning to. If they can't they end up being marginal freaks who end up having miserable lives. Not all adults can do what's best for them. Beside you need to take responsibility and stop letting adults transition because we don't look like normal human beings
>>43718084Most don't end up looking normal though. Not even if they start at 11. They look weird as they age. Kim Petras is looking rough these days. Jazz Jennings is looking rough these days.
>>43718041agp and hsts have been proven to be unreliable. You cannot determine a person's authenticity by such metrics, which have been proven invalid
>>43718123yes, AGPs claim that AGP has been disproven, because they don't like being AGP
>>43717609I'm against transition, child transition only supports stopping transitioning as a thing allowed to happen
>>43718109Let experts doctors make these decisions. I'm not saying that they should transition in childhood, I'm saying they should not transition an adulthood! It's a glorification of ugliness and the making of monsters
>>43717609Some people used to raise their kid as the opposite gender on purpose sometimes so it's not that far off
>>43718143If you actually undervirilized (not just "muh weak puberty" as many trannies claim) then you can transition as an adult and pass as cis female. If you didn't undervirilize, then the best you can hope for even when transitioning as a minor is to look like honter.
>>43718136This is the side issue. Some say everyone on this board is AGP. Other theorists say hsts are confused homosexuals transition to avoid ther own internalized homophobia. There are others who say agps the only real motivation internally to transition. This is all tangential to my argument, which is simply adult transition leads to permanent unusual appearance and makes one into a social outcast, permanently!
>>43718109>Jazz Jennings is looking rough these days.She looks normal. You just dislike 'rabs and jews
>>43718159You are destroying the lives of human beings for your own sexual pleasure. I don't think you realize it. Transgender women look like freaks unless they transition before puberty begins and even then some people say it's debatable. You're taking advantage of weak-finded people and destroying their lives for your own sexual pleasures
>>43718109>Most don't end up looking normal though. Not even if they start at 11. They look weird as they age. Kim Petras is looking rough these days. Jazz Jennings is looking rough these days.Can you prove what you're saying? Would it be possible to find an elected board to determine whether or not these individuals look like real women or like transgenders?
Yes, in so far as the sacred alchemy should be reserved for initiates who have survived 17 trials of the Sun.
>>43717609don't upload random children on this board gincel creep. leave trans kids alone
>>43718503I think it would probably be best for everyone if we made a distinction between gender non conforming minors trying to live their lives, and the children of adults trying to use their own kids for social media clout
>>43717609The best time to transition is when you're youngIronically if people didn't glorify transitioning then people wouldn't groom as much. There wouldn't be much of a backlash either.
>>43718208depressed, morbidly obese and incapable of having a satisfying sex life as per her doctor and trans authority marci bowers.
>>43718815>depressed, morbidly obese and incapable of having a satisfying sex life Normal American
>>43718815she's not obese anymore thoughbelt
>>43718057>had to start shaving at 12Put me out of my misery.
>>43719752samei started shaving my stache at 12, and my arms and legs at 14.
>>43719752I started shaving at 14. But I started growing pubes at 11.
>>43717609>OP has this image saved on his hard drive
>>43721745>claim that trannies sexualize kids>ok prove it>here's proof>omg no not like that
>>43721766Oh wait you're serious? I really thought this was a LARP thread
>>43721797the purpose of giving boys estrogen is to give them sexual features older people will find more fuckable than what they would have without the estrogen
hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.
>>43721874ok, great
>>43717609use pic wi less sexual embellishment
>>43721947here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for that response.
This conversation is pretty pointless without an agreed upon and objective definition of children. In the USA, under 18 is legally as much of a child as a 4 year old. In Brazil, the legal definition of child on a federal level is 12 years and under. This conversation is pointless.
>>43717609LGBT going after children was the logical conclusion for how this social experiment ends with a bang. It was never about equality and equal rights, that was the groundwork laid to make in roads towards the real goal of grooming children in sexual ways.
>>43721982why not blame his parents?
>>43722016Her parents aren't posting her pic on the internet, you are. Careful, they may have a say about it, unless it's public
>>43717620fpbp
>>43722035how did I get the pic? I don't know the boy. his parents posted it online, someone posted it to the chans years ago, I reposted it, you are attempting to shoot the messengerI am simply showing how transgenderism is about sexualizing little boys.
>>43722048>transgenderism is about sexualizing little boys.why do transphobes always make the coolest alternate realities when they lie about whats going on
>>43722086why give a boy tits unless you want others to look at them and appreciate thembe honestyou do this because you want boys to look more fuckable you prefer boys with soft skin and breasts
>>43722048Why are you trying to hurt transgender women? You know that's not true, unless you're very ignorant.Some parents may try to celebrate so their kids feel it's negative thing. You're suggested it's bad.Couldn't find one trans person here who wouldn't change places in life with this kid, if parents allowed her just to express herself this way, without hormones, or any other kind of surgery. Just the freedom to be herself, which is how we can really determine from pic.
>>43722099you're exaggerating the childness of the like 14 year olds who i want to be allowed to take estrogen. i do not prefer boys with breasts, i prefer them without, because then theyre like, actually boys, but the next best thing to stopping time is not letting testosterone puberty destroy beauty.
>>43722121I want to stop you from castrating children.
>>43717609Yo this is like low key child diddy but not legally considered csam level but it has the pedo vibes written all over it. Does op like and sexualize children? You literally gotta have to type down child model summer outfits ideas to get results like this.Op is giving pdf vibes which is very concerning.
>>43722136No one's castrating children, you're misforming people right there. You're trolling!
>>43722154giving boys estrogen is a form of chemical castration I think children should absolutely never be given puberty blockers or cross sex hormones, no matter what. >what if they go through puberty at age 9then they go through puberty at age 9 and their families should be supportive>be against giving boys drugs that break their penises>hurr u must be a pedophilesigh
>>43722151The average rightoid can't stop thinking about children's genitals and children's orgasms. The entire GOP has been obsessing over the topic for like 5 years now. This is what 40% of voting age adults in the US have on their minds just about any time they look at social media or what passes for "journalism" now. And the rest of us have to suffer for it. The entire world has gone insane.
>>43722177i think youre a retarded indian
>>43722177read the first sentence. No one is giving children estrogen. Just being allowed to dress the way they want to dress. You object to it because you want them to be macho, if you were honest you'd admit it
>>43722194>No one is giving children estrogenwhattim/kim petras had srs at age 16 he was definitely on estrogen by then no blockers eitherI object because you are manipulating the sexual function of children for your own gratification.
>>43722184Not about genitals. About sex role deviation, which is why they're so upset. They want the boy to be a macho little warrior and GI Joe fanatic
>>43722205Not at all for my gratification, I like masculine men. I support feminine boys, not all boys are masculine.
>>4372220516 year olds are considered adults in every sane country
>>43722231if you supported feminine boys you would be against castrating and mutilating their bodies
>>43717652the ultimate passoid
>>43722666Who is thisImagine actually having sex
>>43722666And she looks like a teenage boy
>>43722761You are bi, likely a pedo, and sexblind
>>43722761What is wrong with you>>43722861Don't bring us into this, we take no responsibility for that weirdo
>>43722861how people look in hollywood movies is not necessarily how they look waking up from bed in the morning
>>43717609Considering how much distress I experienced to point of trying to cut my dick off when I was nine. I'm in full support of getting children the support they need to feel comfortable in their body.
>>43723916you experienced distress because boys are treated poorly and gender roles are too strictboys are not allowed to express themselves or be feminine at all
>>43723933I wasn't treated poorly. The distress was specifically about my body itself, and it started long before I understood any social or political ideas around gender.
>>43717609i think children of conservative parents should be forcibly transitioned, and children of liberal parents should be barred from it
>>43724124That's AGP. Body dysphoria is AGP. Hating your penis and wanting it gone is AGP.>>43723933No, there was no distress about gender roles with that one. It's just an obsession with being or becoming female.
>>43724124your body determines your social roleyou don't have to consciously understand gender roles to be affected by them or chafe at how restrictive and subjugating they can be
>>43717609what does transitioning mean here. children are basically sexless before puberty - they can wear whatever clothes they want. at puberty, you can have a discussion, and after a lot of conversation, puberty blockers can enter that conversation. can you point out a single child who has "transitioned"? no? then why are we talking about this.
>>43724164kinda based ngl
>>43724386telling a boy they can only be happy as a girl and that adults will play along and treat you like a girl if you crossdress and grow your hair out, at a minimum>hurr they don't give kids estrogenoh but they do
>>43724410>telling a boy they can only be happy as a girl and that adults>implying this is common behavior>implying it's even ACCEPTED behavior
>>43724410neither of these things have ever happened. I'd explain how and why but you're either trolling or deeply incapable of meaningful thought.
>>43724429I think most transition, like other forms of conversion therapy, is done quietly, with as little of a paper trail as possible, and without much fanfare, because people know what they are doing is wrong and harmful, but they want to get away with it anyways. It's not like the people pushing this on children are going to admit it.
>>43724329There’s a difference between hating the expectations and feeling deep distress about your actual body. There are plenty of feminine boys who dislike male gender roles without wanting different sex characteristics or experiencing dysphoria.>>43724312Idgaf what label you want to use in an attempt to deny the suffering. No child should have to go through that and those who love their children should listen to their child.
>>43724701feminine boys are treated like garbagethey notice girls around them are treated way better
