He ate and left no crumbs.
>>43720297The question that troons dtill can't answer
>>43720297this question makes no sense to trannies, it only makes sense to an outside cissoid view
The tranny explanation is that there is an incongruency between the mind and body. If you are too retarded to engage enough with your opponents to know something so basic then you should lose your right to vote/speech. If you have engaged but are too retarded to understand what that implies for the argument in the OP then you should lose your right to vote/speech
>>43720297I have never been given a satisfactory answer to this question.
I get what he's arguing but it's conflating two different views from the early 2014 days of trans discourse. Nobody but AGP rapehons unironically believes in aura passing, you're either truscum or a trender thems the facts
>>43720297its literally called sex reassignment surgery
hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.
>>43720297Nobody but twitter ghouls and leftist rapehons believes that genitals don't define gender
>>43720382>Dr Chud>Actually a sòy>Dr SòyAh 4chan
>>43720382If genitals don't define gender then where's the incongruency between your supposedly womanly gender and your gender-non-deterministic hairy cock and balls?
>>43720595i hate to say it but the chuds are right on this one. i'm much more comfortable saying that genitals IMPLY gender.
>>43720595Erm...uhm...YOU'RE A BIGOT!!!1!
>>43720564So a large number of people then?
>>43720297>>43720339>>43720401>>43720634To entertain this stupid question,>while men and women aren't defined by their genitals, most have a particular set of genitals corresponding to their assigned gender at birth>if one was not born the genitals that most people of their gender have, they may feel different and in congruent with others of their gender>these people have srs to achieve greater congruence within their gender>achiving congruence with others of a persons gender which is called "gender affirming" >since this is achiving congruence within a gender through surgery its called "gender affirming surgery"
>>43720595Some people want to be more normal. It's not about being a woman, it's about being a normal or like a normal woman compared to a woman with a dick.
>>43720339the question that troons have answered 1 billion times. but illiterates gonna illiterate
>>43720297gender is defined by which set of primary/secondary sex characteristics your body expects. yeah penises are male and vagoos are female that's why ppl get a sex change
>>43720453ummm only if ur a chud it's ackshully called "gender affirming care" now
>>43720297>>43720339it's called sex reassignment surgerynot "gender affirming" surgery
>>43720816If the answer so is well known then surely you'll have no trouble providing it in the thread
>>43720800Seems like a very circuitous way to admit that genitals actually do define gender.
>>43720297BURN!
>>43720297idk and idc
>>43721306if you believe that genitals define gender, why don't you accept trans people who've had srs?
>>43721306wait i though chromosomes determined that?
>>43720453Well yeah "penile inversion surgery" just wouldn't sell as much as "sex reassignment surgery"
sometimes i like my genitals and sometims i hate them
>>43720297All I know is I've always hated the way having a dick feels. Like my brain keeps waiting for the sensation to go away or something
>>43720595genitals are sex which is bodygender is mind
>>43720297Srussoids mad epic style!
>>43720460hazbinposter i love you mwah
>>43720800>>while men and women aren't defined by their genitals, most have a particular set of genitals corresponding to their assigned gender at birthSEXGENITALS ARE BASED ON SEXYOU DECEITFUL FUCKERS KEEP SWITCHING UP THESE TERMS WHILE INSISTING THAT THEY HAVE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MEANINGS
>>43720297>If genitals don't determine gender, how does removing it affirm it?TRVTHNVKE. Srsoids on suicide watch
>>43722453here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for that response. :)
>>43721162Actually it's called "gender affirming care"
>>43721472Answer this question chuds
>>43721472A mutilated penis is not a vagina
>>43723968Mutilation is if a random lunatic would stab you and slash at your arms. Your arms would be mutilated.Srs is done by a skilled, specialised surgeon, with clearly defined parameters for successful outcomes.
>>43721472Well a cut up penis isn't a vagina actually
>>43724000>>43724014Chopping up and stitching together a penis is absolutely mutilationIt doesn't matter if it's done by a doctor, it's still cutting open a dick and ballsThere is no clitoris or ovaries It isn't a vagina
>>43724074Wrong. You using unscientfic words doesnt diminish the skill and precision of the surgery, nor does it diminish the positive physiological and psychological outcomes.The same srs techniques used on ftms and mtfs, are used on cis people too.
>>43724074>There is no clitoristhere is actually>or ovariesovaries are not part of a vagina>>43723968a vagina and a penis are made of the parts of the body, grown into different sizes and arranged into different shapes. Rearranging the tissues produces a vagina, which isn't that hard because a vagina is basically a very small penis and labia instead of balls and a hole. Furthermore, when a cis woman with a birth defect or intersex disorder has a vagina constructed, nobody says it's not actually a vagina, in fact doctors try very hard to validate the fact that it's a vagina. The same, and often better techniques are used for trans women because there's more tissue to work with.
>>43724135>there is actuallyhow?>Rearranging the tissuesNo it fucking doesn'tThere are features of real vaginas that SRS can never replicate>nobody says it's not actually a vaginaAn intersex "vagina" after surgery still isn't a vaginaNobody says anything because nobody fucking cares about intersex or women with extremely rare conditionsAn intersex woman or a woman with a condition are still women and aren't mentally ill men trying to get into women's spaces>doctors try very hard to validate the fact that it's a vaginaBecause it's their business, retardThey say that shit to promote SRS and get more clients
>>43720297So what does she want? Men with vaginas and penis women?
He's correct. I can never be a woman. But I hate being a man. Therefore I will just kill myself
>>43720297Say it louder to everyone around town
>>43720591Ur greentext is an acronym for DADHows ur father anon r u 2 close?
>>43720460>>43722738i always wonder how you feel when your derail attempts fail like this?
>>43724363>So what does she want?consistency
>>43724300don't expect an answer, they know they're cooked
>>43725067here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for that response.
>>43724300>nobody fucking cares about intersex or women with extremely rare conditionsYou seem to>You see, theyre women because... uhnngh fuck you TRANNY RAPIST
>>43725096Also worst samefaggotry ever. Leave 4chan
>>43725837They're women because of their chromosomes and other biological factors A biological woman with some condition is still a woman even if her vagina isn't fully formedA tranny doesn't have the biology of a woman
>>43727465I love it when people pretend to be biologists and say that's the reason for thing but then we'll egregiously overwrite biology in a variety of other ways and not care. Just admit you're a cunt.
>>43725837>no one cares about this small, specific group>we are instead focusing on this other small, specific group
>>43720339We don't get SRS to affirm our gender, we get it to make our dysphoria go away. Gender affirming is a term made up by cis people and it has nothing to do with how we think about ourselves.
>>43724300>Nobody says anything because nobody fucking cares about intersex or women with extremely rare conditions>An intersex woman or a woman with a condition are still women and aren't mentally ill men trying to get into women's spacesWeren't you guys all getting bent out of shape about that Algerian boxer chick last year? IIRC the only thing that actually got Rowling to stop obsessing about her was the threat of an actual lawsuit.
>>43720297I bet at least 6 trannies shot up schools based on the mental dysphoria this logic nuke caused them
>>43727485If a biologist thinks a penis can turn into a vagina then he isn't a very good biologist>>43727514>We don't get SRS to affirm our gender, we get it to make our dysphoria go awaywhat's the difference?You're using care to afform the gender your dysphoria makes you feel likeSame shit>>43727528>Algerian boxer chickwho?
>>43727465>chromosomesSo men can give birth?>other biological factorsNiggerbabble>one condition means youre still a woman but other doesnt because... because it just does, okay? Don't even let me get to the issue of "proving" these factors
>>43727599The boxer chick is a tranny that got called a tranny and the left prematurely said he was a real woman, now theres a rule in boxing requiring sex testing and he has since avoided all sanctioned matches and is suing to have the rule removed.
>>43727599>who?Imane Khelif, all the terfs and general transphobes were screaming that she was trans despite coming from a country where being trans is literally illegal. When it was eventually confirmed that she has some sort of intersex condition those same people started crowing along the lines of>YOU SEE? WE TOLD YOU HE WAS REALLY A MAN JUST LOOKING TO ABUSE THE SMOL BEAN WOMBYNUnless you have the memory of a goldfish I'm pretty sure you're playing dumb, all the usual suspects managed to drum up a big media storm about it a year or two ago.
>>43724300>nobody says anything because nobody fucking cares about intersex or women with extremely rare conditionsYou don’t have to be a dick anon, like it’s gross looking I know I’m gross looking down there, l know it and you know it but you srsly don’t have to be an asshole
>>43727638>trannyIdk why yall echo this so easily provable lie, is it cope? Seethe?
>>43727661Imane Khelif is genetically a man and you can tell from his appearance. >>43727634yes, intersex men can rarely give birth male is a phenotype, not a function
>>43727794Aight gincel go to bed
>>43727634>>one condition means youre still a woman but other doesnt because... because it just does, okay?A biological woman with an underdeveloped vagina is still a woman by other factorsA vagina is not the sole defining trait of a woman (and even if it was it still wouldn't matter because your lacerated dick isn't a vagina)An MTF is biologically male>>43727638>>43727661What does an algerian woman who barely counts as intersex have to do with this debate?
>>43727864>What does an algerian woman who barely counts as intersex have to do with this debate?I was responding to the person (possibly you?) who said>nobody fucking cares about intersex or women with extremely rare conditions>An intersex woman or a woman with a condition are still women and aren't mentally ill men trying to get into women's spacesAs an example of transphobes driving themselves into a frothing rage attacking such a person. Hell, you've got one guy itt doing exactly that the moment I mentioned her
>>43728022I don't think most people fucking care about that boxer outside of tranny minded feminists
>>43724135the penis and vagina are at one point undifferentiated it's true, but given that there was a brief point where one's entire body is only two cells, you can say that about any bodily structure. hell, an embryo has GILLS. would you trust your docter to restructure your tissue into gills? the testicles are the tissue homologous to the ovaries. why can't doctors simply turn testes into ovaries?
>>43720595Lmao
>>43720357Make sense to more than 99% of humanity then
>>43725067He's literally always seething
>>43728226>why can't doctors simply turn testes into ovaries?There's a path to this via very simple gene expression editing (at least f to m), but they are pussiesGonadal transplants in mouse have been proven successful as well
>>43727864>biological womanSo you're just doing circular definitions. Exact thing you screeched that trannies were doing btw
>>43728560Holographic womanSilicon womanEthereal womanPlant based woman
>>43728560how tf is "biological woman" a circular definition?
>>43729022>circular definitionIf one concept is defined by another, and the other is defined by the first, this is known as a circular definition, akin to circular reasoning: neither offers enlightenment about what one wanted to know.[7] "It is a fallacy because by using a synonym in the definiens the reader is told nothing significantly new."[5]A straightforward example would be to define Jew as "a person believing in Judaism", and Judaism as "the religion of the Jewish people", which would make Judaism "the religion of the people believing in Judaism".
>>43725073But having penis women and vagina men would be consistent irl
>>43720453>it's literally called organic food!!>it's uh um...>it's organic, they market it like that because it's erm good!!If surgeons named their genital surgeries under different, unflattering names... they wouldn't sell.Imagine it; "Dr. Tran's Penis Inversion Clinic"... not a flattering way to market the genital surgery.
>>43729115But i changed my sex. Trans sexualI crossed from one sex to another.I live my life as a woman. My neurological condition has been treated
>>43729115>>43729133>>43729050I know y'all are not in here reddit spacing right now....
>>43729133In the perspective of people like you with the same aspirations, according to your specialty definition-of-sex rules for homo sapiens alone, and to help placate your need to not encounter the dysphoria of labeling yourself accurately as male... sure, you're "female"but many people do not think that because you can't castrate a male to make a female
>>43729145KEK ily nona
>>43729366>but many peopleMany people support billionaire child rapist Donald Trump Many people think children starving is good for the economy Many people think an invisible sky god tells them that poor people suffering is a moral good
>>43729050That would imply "woman" is an inherently biological concept which make the term "biological woman" redundant which I agree with
>>43727715>no true scotsman fallacy No one cares how you contort definitions to win arguments. Hes a tranny and every lay person knows.>but the science!kys
>>43729768>tranny is when a person born with a vaginawhat
>>43729366>in the perspective of many subhuman disingenuous troglodytesftfy
>>43729576Donald Trump is not a child rapist is a myth invented by the left.Why should my money go to help other country not my problem.
>>43730154>my moneyTax money is taken against your will and spent against your will
>>43721729>>43729115That's literally not the only method of SRS. Why are you coming in here talking like you know everything about us when you clearly just got wound up by some social media bullshit?
>>43730154>myth invented by the leftlol
