>I’m transitioning/I transitioned in order to treat my Gender Dysphoria, which is a concrete and discrete mental condition that can be empirically verified and not at all a fictitious mental illness invented by cissexist doctors in the 1970s in order to pathologize transsexuality and restrict access to sex change procedures>I’m neurologically intersex, which is a concrete and discrete neurological state that can be empirically verified, which I claim to be despite never having had my brain imaged, and which for some reason means that I have to take cross-sex hormonesWhen are trannies gonna stop inventing pseudo-scientific justifications for transitioning and instead admit that they troon out simply because they want to?
Sources>Gender Dysphoria is a fictitious mental illness invented by cissexist doctors in the 1970s in order to pathologize transsexuality and restrict access to sex change proceduresJulia Serano, “Pathological Science: Debunking Sexological and Sociological Models of Transgenderism”, in Whipping Girl, pp. 115–160https://archive.is/20230320121520/https://transwrites.world/have-we-got-it-wrong-on-dysphoria-abigail-thorn-discusses-trans-healthcare/https://blog.apaonline.org/2023/07/26/gender-dysphoria-and-why-wanting-is-enough/>Claims that transsexuals are “neurologically intersex” are pseudo-scientifichttps://youtu.be/ZymYiwoRoC0, 48:28–54:00>inb4 these aren’t “valid sources” for some reasonArgumentum ad hominem (or mulierem, if you prefer, given that I have referenced works by female writers only). I ask that you engage with my arguments and those set forth in the sources I’ve referenced rather than dismissing them for reasons unrelated to their validity.
>>43724508Because whims don't deserve rights.
Further reading:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/opinion/sunday/vaginoplasty-transgender-medicine.html. Archived at https://archive.is/20260303044922/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/opinion/sunday/vaginoplasty-transgender-medicine.htmlhttps://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/freedom-of-sex-a-liberal-response.html. Archived at https://archive.is/20240317212124/https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/freedom-of-sex-a-liberal-response.html
>>43724511julia serano isn't female
>>43724511>uses academic citations but links to opinion pieces lmao did you go straight from high school to suckling at Joe Rogan's teet? you'll develop critical thinking one day, sweetie
>>43724523What is your claim, exactly? Do you think that the state should prevent transsexuals from transitioning? If “whims don’t deserve rights”, do you think that the state should prevent me from drinking Pepsi on a whim?>>43724544>>43724569The quality of discourse on this website is abysmal. I ask that you engage with my arguments and those set forth in the essays I’ve referenced rather than focusing on details that have nothing to do with my arguments. I will ignore all further replies that do the latter.
>>43724596they are not even your arguments though? you're linking a youtube video of someone with no educational background as a "source" to an opinion???? also you use the word transsexual so you're obviously retarded.
>>43724596>Do you think that the state should prevent transsexuals from transitioning?yes, with violent force, as much as necessary to get the job donewe should suspend the constitution to persecute and exterminate all trans people
>>43724508Oh okay maybe I can accept you. If you ever have sex with men though I'm going to consider you are total pervert!
As usual, the quality of discourse on this website is abysmal.>>43724697>they are not even your arguments though?I have not, at any point, claimed that arguments that aren’t mine are mine. Your reading comprehension is poor.Julia Serano has a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biophysics from Columbia University. You can find more information about her career in biology at https://www.juliaserano.com/biologist.html.>also you use the word transsexual so you're obviously retarded.This claim is irrelevant to this discussion and also absurd, and so I shouldn’t even engage with it, but fuck it. Julia Serano describes herself as transsexual and has defended her use of this word since 2007. Do you think that Julia Serano, who has a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biophysics and has contributed significantly to transgender activism (via her writings on transgender issues, which you can find info on most of at https://www.juliaserano.com/writings.html), is also “obviously retarded”?>>43724711Thank you for your absolute candor regarding your genocidal views, anon. Commit suicide.
>>43724697Also the fact that a YouTube video is a YouTube video is irrelevant; what’s relevant here is the arguments concerning “brain sex” that it contains.Do you have even a single relevant thing to say?
>>43724508>>I’m autistic, which is a concrete and discrete neurological state that can be empirically verified, which I claim to be despite never having had my brain imaged, and which for some reason means that I have to take free money from the government
>>43724967You think you're a macho dude?
>>43724697>also you use the word transsexual so you're obviously retarded.This why I only use "troon" as the official catch-all.
>>43724508They're even worse than that. They say things like "sex is assigned at birth by doctors" projecting onto everyone a very very rare reality of "ambiguous intersexuality" that's not even their own reality.
>>43724508>>43724784as >>43724523 points out, you need to have a justificatory framework for justifying trans existence. this is because it does not involve behaviour that is otherwise ethically neutral. srs is without such a thing just genital mutilation done to people in distress. the liberal state, which has a biopolitical investment in ensuring "human rights", including the integrity, dignity, and health of its citizens, is to this extent rationally incentivized to take action against (and possibly institutionalize) transsexuals, as it has for various mental illnesses historicallybesides this, when being trans is merely a whim, there is then no social necessity in having state programs for expensive medical surgeries and the like. if we are not take go down the medicalization route, we would need a new politico-economic paradigm to deal with such issues which face our communityive written more on this topic here:>https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/43596059/#43617246>https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/posts/2025-11-04-On-The-Transgender-Question.html
>>43724508>biochemist says akshually it's not realDick Swaab is a physician and neurobiologist that has done far more research into this and connects dysphoria to prenatal hormone exposure, people here aren't going to engage with a debate bro that starts their post with gaslighting people about their own lives.
>>43726056I think I get what you’re saying: transsexuals are motivated to invent pseudo-scientific justifications for transitioning because the state will make it much harder or impossible to do it if they don’t. That makes sense.What I don’t get is why they insist on these fictions in fora like this one or even in contexts in which no one else is listening, such as irl behind closed doors. The only explanation for this that I can think of and that makes sense to me is that they sincerely believe these fictions. If that’s the case, why? If it’s not the case, then why *do* they do that? What am I missing here?Kudos to being the only other person in this thread remotely capable of critical thinking, btw.>>43726148>“A biochemist” said it, therefore it’s false>Dick Swaab said it, therefore it’s true>You’re gaslighting us about our own subjectivity, even though you haven’t made a single claim about anything subjective (up to this point)>The distress that I experience at my endogenous sexual characteristics is proof that I have Gender Dysphoria, which is a concrete and discrete mental condition that can be empirically verified and not at all a fictitious mental illness invented by cissexist doctors in the 1970s in order to pathologize transsexuality and restrict access to sex change procedures>The distress that I experience at my endogenous sexual characteristics is proof that I’m neurologically intersex, which is a concrete and discrete neurological state that can be empirically verified, which I claim to be despite never having had my brain imaged, and which for some reason means that I have to take cross-sex hormones>It can’t be that the cause of the distress that I experience at my endogenous sexual characteristics is unknown because … it just can’t, okay!?
>>43726312At the risk of you all but outright stating that I’m a disgusting male chauvinist who arrogantly presumes to understand how women think a second time, I’d like to state explicitly that the only claim about your subjectivity that I have ever made in this thread is>You experience distress at your endogenous sexual characteristics.I think that you can agree that this does describe an experience that you have, yes?I don’t claim to understand your mind other than this. Hope this clears things up.
>>43726276You don't know anything about transgender women. Nothing at all. You use the wrong tool to measure us, you think logical solve the issue. I'm sure transgender women are like women in one way in particular. It's that we use emotions, not logic. We are good at fooling ourselves, we may think it makes us more feminine when we convince ourselves we like men sexually, yer we really don't like men!We hate men actually! I mean we hate their looks, not who they are human beings. We hated looking masculine in ourselves and we don't like it anyone else. We like feminine bodies. We're really the feminine counterpart of masculine homosexuality. I know what you're thinking because you're using that logical mind of yours, but you're going the wrong track because it doesn't work. You'll never understand us the way you think.
>>43724508Well i would say i have dysphoria i had severe depression and anexiety before again tied to my biology and gender buttt it was always too abstract to me to really be a concrete justification for transitioning so the only way i could justify myself transitioning is i want to do it and i have free will and since am not hurting anyone except myself its not even really objectively bad in any way
>>43726348>>43726340Also:>We (transgender women) like feminine bodies and dislike masculine bodiesSpeak for yourself. Androphilic trans women do exist.>you think logical solve [sic] the issueI’m not trying to use logic to “solve [an] issue”; I’m using logic to show that certain claims are false or meaningless. Your reading comprehension could use some work.Ironically, it is actually you who believes that she understands other minds better than she does.>>43726361>the only way i could justify myself transitioning is i want to do it and i have free will and since am not hurting anyone except myself its not even really objectively bad in any wayBased! Why is this mindset so rare among trans women? That’s what I’d really like to find out.
>>43726361Listen to me my sweet baby tranny, can you believe there are some of us who transition without having a single thought you mentioned?
>>43726451> Androphilic trans women do exist..No, it's a stage some of us go through.I went to the stage coming out today is an adolescent and feeling so disappointed that all the other gay guys were all into this masculine imagery and I wanted feminine so bad! I cried about it for, it seemed like months!I was able to transition anyway and still had one foot in the gay community. Most of my early boyfriends were gay men. Then I started realizing now it's really attracted to the feminine gay men. Just let me realize that I was attracted to people just like me transgender women. This is our motivation and our reality baby
>>43726451>Your reading comprehension could use some workNo wrong again cuz I don't care about my reading composition. I'm only there since starting the truth because I know the truth!
>>43726451>Based! Why is this mindset so rare among trans women? That’s what I’d really like to find out.I've actually said the same thing. You just don't have the emotional connection to words to read the feeling in my text
>>43726493I can’t help it if you’re linguistically incompetent. I won’t reply to you again because I would consider doing so a waste of my time.
nobody knows why trannies want to do it, its just been observed that they are going to be driven to do it whether they like it or not so its best for health to facilitate it
>>43726509Anything other than this is pure speculation or driven by religion/politics that does not have a place in medical practice. I trust the general public who seems to love debating it has read up on the literature that all points towards this.
>>43726509I agree with this because it’s been empirically verified (see https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/). But I wish that transsexuals would stop inventing pseudo-scientific explanations for this phenomenon and admit, as you have done, that no one knows the cause.
>>43726451No, it's a stage some of us go through.I went to that stage, coming out gay as an adolescent. Then feeling so disappointed not all the other gay men me, a fmme. They were all into masculine looking men. I wanted feminine boys so bad! I cried about it for, it seemed like months!I was able to transition anyway and still had one foot in the gay community. My early boyfriends were gay men. Then I started realizing now it's really I'm attracted to the feminine gay men. I realize I was attracted to people just like me, transgender women. This is our motivation and our reality baby
>>43726521i think the less scientifically inclined just need to make sense of something that maybe doesn't make sense. I'm trans myself but I've gotten used to the world science so i think its a little easier for me to accept what i am than someone who hasn't
>>43726502It's too bad you a while something is Trivial is me being a little high late at night cause you to disregard my sincere effort to explain transgenderism to you on a much more advanced level.
>>43726527I'm probably going to sound pretentious, but i honestly think being trans is something simultaneously so nebulous and abstract while also being based purely on empirical observation of real peoples lives that (yes, even some trans people) probably have never gotten used to the kind of thinking required to accept it.
>>43726538Alright, you’ve piqued my interest. What exactly is it about “transgenderism” that you want me to understand? Actually, before you answer that, what do you mean by “transgenderism”?Note that so far I’ve made only the following claim about transsexuals’ subjectivity:>(some) transsexuals experience distress at their endogenous sexual characteristics>transsexuals experience(d) a desire to transition (use biomedical technology to change their sex phenotype)>>43726587“Trans” is an adjective that describes a person who changes their sex phenotype, the aspects of their appearance or behaviour that are gendered in their culture, or a combination of these. Very straightforward, nothing “nebulous” or “abstract” about it. So I don’t understand what all the confusion is about.
>>43726587I can tell you the snow natural transplant things like this. Some may try but that's a conditioning from being raised as boys.This is where the variation comes in. Some of us who are in touch with our transgender nature very young, come out gay. Why not, we're feminine? So why not be gay? Why would you want to be with women? It's really simple, if you think of it on an emotional level
>>43726616the weird thing to me is it simultaniously is as you described, yet the drive towards it is inherent, i remember I spent years trying to ignore mine. Yet I still live as a man, the estrogen and growing out my hair made me very much happier than I was before, so I'm not a woman but being sort of like one made me really happy.Its really confusing even for me, in science its ok to be confused and just accept things as true but I think most people are taught that there is always a good reason for everything which is knowable, which is a good way to think but maybe not so much in this case.
>>43724508It's not a mental conditionIf you say that you are retarded and are basically calling yourself a male in a dress
>>43726616I should’ve put “experience(d)” in the first claim, too
>>43726624*ok to accept things as true if there is EVIDENCE but no one knows whyi worded that horrible lol
>>43726616I do appreciate you being at dinner to me and I did try to write you an answer but I'm way too high.In a nutshell, all transgender women are the same for obviously what they call hsts. The difference between there are all really attracted to our own selves. Like gay men, except for attracted to feminine gay men. It's really easy to understand if you think about it in the simplest terms. What are we? We're males, what are we attracted to, what we want to be in a home erotic way, our own image of ourselves feminized. Some of us only come around to this one we're in our forties seminar 50s and older. Look around for yourself you won't find many real transgender people who had the full surgery over 50 years of age who are not living with another trans woman or they're alone
>>43726658this is probably the root cause desu but i don't like waving it around to normies because its not really a perverted type of attraction and it does cause genuine distress. Idk if there is a good analogy for people without it to understand it lolill drop the high and mightly science talk, yeah it probably has something to do with this LOL
>>43726624>>43726628>yet the drive towards it is inherent, i remember I spent years trying to ignore mineYes, I understand that the desire to change sex is experienced by transsexuals as chronic and difficult or impossible to ignore or suppress and in many cases present from a young age as well (one or more of these is what I think you mean by “inherent”). I don’t mean to imply at all that the decision to change sex is an arbitrary one or that it is caused by a whim. I have read Whipping Girl, after all.But even if this were not the case—even if every transsexual in the world decided to change their sex “just because”—I would endorse their freedom to do so.>in science its ok to be confused and just accept things as true f there is EVIDENCE but no one knows why but I think most people are taught that there is always a good reason for everything which is knowableYeah, this is the root of the problem, I now realize.
>>43726684you remind me of my dad, he honestly took it really well. I don't need all that "oh your so pretty as a woman crap", i like it when people can just see it for how confusing and arbitrary it really is
>>43726658Respectfully, I think that you are projecting your understanding of your motivations for transitioning onto all other trans women. I’ve read accounts of other trans women’s motivations for transitioning (e. g., Julia Serano’s in Whipping Girl, Andrea Long Chu’s in “On Liking Women” and “The Pink”) and the only thing that they all have in common is that trans women want to be anatomically female, be recognized by others as women, or both.In this video essay https://youtu.be/ZymYiwoRoC0, Julia Serano (transsexual woman biologist and very influential author on trans issues) explains what “complex traits” are (biological traits that are influenced by multiple different genetic and environmental factors) and argues that transsexuality is a complex trait, which means that it doesn’t have a single cause every time; two different individuals might end up wanting to change their sex due to completely different causes. I recommend that you watch it.>>43726703One difference between me and most other people is that I acknowledge that the foundations of the human mind are inherently irrational (our brains are made of meat, for goodness’ sake). Another difference is that I respect every one’s freedom to do whatever they will provided that it harms no one.>even if every transsexual in the world decided to change their sex “just because”—I would endorse their freedom to do so.>>43726680I also endorse AGPs’ freedom to change their sex exclusively to the end of achieving sexual gratification (hypothetically). That’s how based I am. But for some reason, the people on this board despise those who think as I do. For some reason, the people on this board are afraid of freedom.
>>43726766in the west at least i think the bigger fear is how health insurance/state health systems will cover it. if its just a freedom thing thats great, but recognition of the medical aspect is also important since I would argue its about as important as any other condition
>>43726807personally i think as long as its considered cost effective to subsidize antidepressants or anti anxiety meds giving people HRT passes the test too.
>>43726807Yeah, that makes sense
>>43726276>The only explanation for this that I can think of and that makes sense to me is that they sincerely believe these fictions. If that’s the case, why? If it’s not the case, then why *do* they do that? What am I missing here? They really wanna believe in these fictions. Anything that make them believe they're "more female" than they really are they use both as justification and also as a means of compensation and consolation for their ego. Their fictions help them "be feminized" by projecting themselves onto women and by projecting womanhood, femaleness and "femininity" back onto themselves. Because believing these fictions and making others believe them make it easier for them to justify (both for themselves and for others) the extreme body modifications and destruction of self they undergo in reality. But they're never completely convinced they're women, so highly insecure about being sufficiently female they not only conform compulsively to the man-made "feminine" stereotype, they also feel a need to repeat again and again those lies in attempts to prove as truth something that's false.
>>43726456What part of what i said implies that? Yeah ofc there are ton of trannies that arent mentally ill like me. And from ehat i read on this board there are some that may not be capable or are to (youg to be) of anything close to phylosophical taught.
>>43726813This is a good take. The actual reason why sex change procedures aren’t nearly as easy to obtain as, say, a prescription for Prozac is in Western countries is because of cissexism. I think that a lot of trans activists ignore this. But then again I’m cis, so I’m not personally involved in such activism. I’m really responding to the rhetoric that I see on this board.>>43726837No, I don’t think that’s it. I think that you’re making baseless assumptions about trans people’s mental states and that you are motivated to do this because you are prejudiced against trans people.
>>43726851Specifically trans women, that is.
Wow, a bunch of meaningless words that doesn't explain a thing
>>43726766And those insecure projections of anatomically female or "not a true woman without genital reassignment surgery" is a narrative that severely damaged the trans community and continues to. It's a form of conservative sexism and terf levels of thinking that reinforces and allows transphobes to find a confirmation bias within anti-trans rhetoric. It's actually quite ironic considering how many conservatives hate trans folk when there are more than a few who think exactly like them in regards to genitals equating gender. This has been one of my biggest challenges navigating the trans community since there are many who rely on socially acceptable sexism and fetishization to reaffirm their transition. Some might look like women but still think like patriarchal men, and not to kink shame but when it comes to modern authoritarian fascists, there are no "good trans". Once they're done jerking off to them and leopards will eat those faces.
>>43724508>When are trannies gonna stop inventing pseudo-scientific justifications for transitioning and instead admit that they troon out simply because they want to? Probably never. But thruth, reality and facts couldn't care less
>>43726886Words still have meaning even if you pretend not to know them. A cat refers to a domesticated feline and a woman refers to a biological female human adult.
>>43728406Exactly.
>>43724508the neurological intersex thing is a pretty objective empirical conclusion, sorry chud
>>43728406All life is biological. It's such a dumb way to put it. And in effect you're saying there are females who *aren't* biological. Which is I guess affirming of androids?
>>43728445No, it's not. You have male neurons and a male nervous system. Sorry, tranny. Blame your father, biology or reality, not us
>>43728462facts and statistics don't care about your feelings, bro, tranny brains when measured in terms of individual region and connective network volume/density show up in between the cisoid bell curves as a distinctive thing both before and after hormones (with a noticeable shift toward the corresponding identified/transitioning sex)
>>43728456It's not really wrong to say biological female, just redundant, therefore unecessary to say the word biological. But we get anon's point in using this word to emphasize female nature
>>43728486Have you had your brain checked?
>>43724508>they troon out simply because they want toEven if that's the case, so? Let people live their lives You're weird and creepy too
>>43728514have you?
>>43728526Never need to
>>43724508Based Sartre. Read l'existentialisme est un humanisme yesterday
>>43726766>Respectfully, I think that you are projecting your understanding of your motivations for transitioning onto all other trans women. Sure, how can I deny this and be taken seriously?When I came out transgender, I had been active in the gay community for maybe 10 years. In those 10 years I did drag shows, hung out with a group of extremely weird full-time drag queens. I transitioned way before the internet, when there was no transgender community, only the gay community, in large cities. We were part of the gay community, most transgender women were identified as feminine gay men. I've met many older transgender women who, like me, felt desire to be female and disliked being a male. These older transwomen all share the same story, "I felt like I should have been born female, tried to explore feeling transgender, but the gatekeepers said I wasn't transgender, being heterosexual, therefore I coped by marriage to a female and raised a family. I never got past feeling I would have rather been a woman, and now at age, forty, fifty, or sixty, am coming out transgender to at last, as my true self"This story is nearly a meme, being so common! These older transgender women do not agee, nor like my ideas about transgender women. So, yes, there is plenty room to disagree. I believe if these transgender women were able to transition when I transitioned, they would have come to the same conclusion about themselves is I have going about it from a different route. Sure you are a thinking person; you should disagree with me if you have other thoughts about being transgender. I'm not saying my perception is absolutely right. I do believe I understand transgender women better than most, mainly because I'm open minded about being part of a minority, which has to defend our identity in a very judgmental society which calls for us to justify our existence.
>>43729353This is also where I find where terf and truscum rhetoric cross over into each other and has started to proliferate into mainstream trans culture. Im a girl with a dick. It doesn't change the fact I wish I was born a woman nor does it change there are cis women with penis envy who wish they had one. Genitals don't equal gender yet my own wants for myself get weaponized as a fetish or dismissed by those who are too socially meek to having some pride about having a pussy fetish or admitting they're sexist and only views womanhood as walking vaginas but don't want to loose their trans plot armor.
>>43729750>This is also where I find where terf and truscum rhetoric cross over into each other and has started to proliferate into mainstream trans culture. Not sure I understand what you mean here? This is supposed to be a rebuttal, or continuation of my post?I believe the 'chick with a dick' concept is just another way for defining us. It's no different than mine, it just takes on a different value which emphasizes female this more than maleness outside of that I don't think it's much different
>>43731626I'm agreeing with you and sharing my own perspective that it's frustrating some trans women and TERFs share the same ideas when it comes to what defines sex and gender. Dysphoria is a bitch and I would never want to invalidate it however when rhetoric starts to repeat the same justifications and gatekeeping from transphobes as it does from some truscums, it really starts to expose that sexism and exclusionary prejudiced behavior isn't inclusive to cis people. They might present as women but they're trying to treat transitioning or identifying as a woman the same as an elite gentlemans club when in reality even diehard man hating lesbians are more inclusive and accepting. This is where I can understand why a lot of enby people became disillusioned with the trans movement that preaches acceptance and body positivity yet is run by truscum elders who low-key seems to care more about what's between our legs akin to TERFs. It's a projection of their own insecurities and when people act the same as the enemy, they're just the enemy and will be weaponized against other trans as such.
>>43729750>Im a girl with a dickonly a man could say that
>>43732144Why is liking pussy and having a breeding fetish so shameful for you where you have to attack trans girls? I'm not ashamed of being a dickgirl. Even if you're a gay bro, why are you constantly thinking about what's in woman's pants. Bi transphobe? Nothing to be ashamed about. We wouldn't fuck you anyways so why do you care so much? Easy rage bait? Loneliness under the guise of jokes? Any attention is good attention? If you're so witty and cool and chill, why aren't you out living your best life being the social life of the party? Is this your best life? I'm not judging. Just asking.
>>43732076>They might present as women but they're trying to treat transitioning or identifying as a woman I'm confused as a who they are? Are you speaking about all transgender women?>the same as an elite gentlemans club when in reality even diehard man hating lesbians are more inclusive and accepting.This I really don't understand! How is it like an exclusive Gentleman's Club? I've always thought it as being just the opposite. Kind of like being an outcast within the subculture of homosexual men.I'm sorry if I seem annoying, but I just don't understand what you're getting at.
>>43724808Yeah maybe if you actually read their sentence you would understand what they were trying to say instead of getting lost in your retard babble.You cant go "Source:" and then link to a youtube video for an opinion, I can say "eating poop is fucking awesome" and then link a video from "poop joe" as my """""source"""".Poop Joe's opinion video on eating poop wouldnt magically make it any more of an objective provable statement."Just ignore the retarded source I gave you and anything pointing out my retardation!! Do you have anything else to say?"What an epic gotcha bro right after the "Argumentum ad hominem" too
>>43724508but i didnt want t->>43724511lmfao you cited julia serano never fucking mind LOL
>>43726451>Based! Why is this mindset so rare among trans women? That’s what I’d really like to find out.I don't have any scientific data to back my opinion up, but I think a part of the reason is that this mindset is more prone to getting met with denial and resistance by the outside world. A lot of that invalidation gets internalised. Having a biologically rooted, possibly pathologic causal link to our identity makes it easier to justify transition not only to outsiders, which as members of a highly social species we are unfortunately forced to do, but also to ourselves. Furthermore, there's the fact that we live in a society that has been ingrained with a gender binary, which makes sense considering that humans prefer categorising and sorting things, and the bimodal distribution of sex characteristics makes it very easy to create just two categories. This further reinforces a need to have a biological cause that justifies leaving one mold in favour of another. Mind you, that doesn't mean that there ISN'T a biological cause for being trans. But research isn't conclusive, and transness is likely rooted in multiple deviations from the biological mean, rather than just a brain or endocrine condition. I personally don't think we need to push for finding the definitive cause and should instead direct our efforts into creating a society that accepts deviations from the norm as a natural part of the human experience, rather than trying to enforce a sort of rigourous system of categories that only serves to harm us.
>>43724596No but if you don't have some identifiable psychical or mental condition insurance companies and public payers are going to be disinclined to pay for your completely arbitrary decision to transition.Demedicalization is a mistake we'll be paying for for at least a generation.Though fuck the "neurologically intersex" claim. Hitching trans issues to the intersex wagon is actively and presently putting intersex people in danger.
>>43724508>which I claim to be despite never having had my brain imagedhave you ever heard of autism, anon? do you think doctors regularly diagnose autism through brain imaging? i promise they don't. we don't have to fully understand the neurodevelopmental disorder that results in transsexuality, or be able to directly diagnose it through a simple scan, to observe its existence. that is an arbitrary standard of proof that you yourself are setting which you have not defended and which holds no true relevance.
>>43724508That is wrong I am a tranny and I trooned because I wanted to. I admit it.
>>43739638Can you also admit you do it for fetishistic motives?
>>43724508Imagine not seeing transition as just treating dysphoria
>>43740716not that anon but I transitioned because I fetishize lesbian relationships
>>43740740Tratou todo
>>43724508>gender dysphoria is fakeWhy doesn't hearing this make the pain go away, if it is fake in the first place?
>>43735874>Having a biologically rooted, possibly pathologic causal link to our identity makes it easier to justify This is it! Transgender women are so negatively treated by others, they need to JUSTIFY their existence
>>43741587Honestly I think we need to accept that *we* need to justify our transitions to others, and that the way you do that is by coming across as either literally female or at least possessing some inherent feminine essence.It's not fair but cis people run the world. The law will, in the end, value their comfort over our safety."Trans women don't owe you femininity!"Well true but also if you look, sound, move, AND act like a whole ass bearded man people are gonna wanna stop you from going into the women's locker room.But also see >>43739468You DO need justification if you expect to use other people's money to transition.>>43741026"Dysphoria is fake" is a 100% faketrans take,.
>>43742668I was told once dysphoria is the same thing as 'gender identity disorder" in childhood. I know this is not fake!
