Who are you fucking exactly

bi guys get really angry when you tell them they are only not interested in penis because of learned internalized homophobia and wouldn't feel that way if they didn't get brainwashed into hating their own same sex attraction and thus restricting how they can enjoy male bodies

also, trannies get REALLY angry when you tell them internalized homophobia is the real reason they transitioned, and gender dysphoria is a cover story to avoid admitting they couldn't hack being gay and shunned

>>43732538
How can you blame them. You're saying your bisexual being attract to men, yet not?

>>43732552
Yea I couldn't hack being gay, no gays had interest in me so I transmaxxed is that so bad?

>>43732547
he's a closeted pillow princess
he expects men to suck him off and let him fuck you in the ass, but he would never touch your penis, bottom, or suck a cock because he's ashamed to like men
there's a LOT of guys like this, I mean he's obviously memeing, but there are sooooo many dudes irl like this

masculinity is so fragile

>>43732547
Men.
>>43732552
You said that and I'm chilling.
>>43732560
I am attracted. Attracted to their holes.

>>43732552
I don't know. I think it was easier to be gay, unless you live totally stealth

>>43732570
and, AND, that it's easier to be trans than gay
>is that bad
YES you are giving in to homophobia and thus worsening it by normalizing it, rather than confronting those who are homophobic and fighting back

>>43732580
> Attracted to their holes

you seem like classic idiot

>>43732576
Sorry, but bottoms are holes and holes are women so your opinions on masculinity are kinda icky

>>43732592
heteronormative homosexuals are simply the WORST
they are poison to gay communities everywhere

>>43732600
You are really emotional. Period?

>>43732600
What about being butch and femme, the way lesbians are sometimes? They don't really deny their gender, they just play different roles being some masculine and some feminine.

>>43732691
nobody needs to play a role
homosexual relationships should be fully egalitarian with no privileged pleasure for the more gender conforming partner
why do you need binary labels in a gay relationship?

>>43732585
Individual actions don't really move the needle much, I'm not going to be an incel for just some minor ideal

>>43732732
>its easier to be gay than trans
>its much easier to find men willing to date you as trans than gay
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>43732709
Because it's sexually exciting for me. I used to go for masculine man as a feminine drag queen when I was younger. Now I go for trans women as a trans woman

>>43732709
You're some retarded feminisg freak. Fuck off and get out of gay business.

>>43732744
trans women are gay male drag queens with delusions of womanhood
being trans is just doing drag full time in public

>>43732552
Being gay was the easy part. I'm a natural. It's the whole male thing that didn't really work out well enough to keep being delusional about

>>43732774
being gay is harder than pretending to be a woman, people are fake nice to trannies in a way they are not with gay men
neutered animals are less of a threat, and are treated accordingly

>>43732753
Not if they don't believe in the whole woman thing and just use it as a communication talking point.
I don't think I'm a woman, but I look like a woman to people in public. I like being treated as a woman in public. I'm sexually male and I like the men who are who are like me, they call it t4t

>>43732739
Its not a a universal thing, just for my case in particular being an ugly ultra-straight passing but weak framed, nerdy and poor genetics for muscle, hairline receding at 16, feminine things liking gay isn't very desirable....

>>43732788
you do not look like a woman you still have male features present from your chromosomes that others notice
people want to pretend gay men don't exist and are as happy to erase you as you are yourself
gays are shunned by women, who hate gay men and resent them as competition
women want gay men castrated and encourage the practice by humoring you
you a neutered slave

>>43732744
I still enjoy masculine men as a sapphic leaning trans woman but damn even outside of cis guys there are some trans men who took that alpha male pill waaay too seriously. It can sometimes be fun in the bedroom but overcompensating and being obnoxiously aggressive doesn't make insecurities better. Just worse. It's also how I know they're actually men because only men can be that dumb to fall for it.

>>43732800
I don't really care if they noticed it or not. All I can say is they never tell me anything about,or mention it to me. I'm comfortable walking around the way I am.
I don't give the chromosome issue any credit. Its just a transphobic response9

>thread about men
>2 annoying sissy trannies start perma crying

>>43732839
We're all different. You might see yourself that way, but I don't see myself that way. I see myself as a feminine man who likes other feminine men. I do not have any interest in the women sexually, I'm strictly a gay guy

>>43732782
Do you live in the past or just on a porn feed in some third world? Gay has had more socially acceptable protections and social securities for almost 30 years because most are still cis. Even fully passable post op trans women are feeling forced to disclose they're trans or else some psychotic fuck might kill them to cope with their transphobia and homophobia. Social protections are being stripped away. Most people just think trans women are drag queens thanks to entertainment and media.

I was openly bi before I was trans. Queer is a lot fucking easier by a huge margin

>>43732922
Yes I fully agree with you. It's much easier to be a gay man, then depicted as a transgender woman. The only thing good about being a transgender woman is if you pass, people leave you alone

>>43732552
what about the majority of trannies who are attracted to women

>>43732887
Won't someone think of the cis gay males! If you're so jealous of the attention women get, become one! Sharing a space doesn't mean taking it away. Most trans women are just tired of the old racist sexist gay dinos who can't see the optics past their own noses. When trans are disappeared, gay people are next so buckle up, buckaroo!

>>43732955
Yes, I agree the majority of trans women are attracted to other trans women, or in some cases, genetic women.

>>43732964
I'm not sure I follow you? I'm not at all worried about anything social. I think there's reasons to be worried, but for me, it just doesn't matter anymore. The only person in my life right now that tells me is this woman; I just can't get around her sex. Literally, I'm still hung up on her biological sex

>>43732937
As a trans woman who doesn't readily pass, I can safely say I'm mostly left alone compared to constantly needing to fend off chasers. Is it a cope? Absolutely. Being ugly sucks but it's also a silver lining since you get to see the real person more often than the mask they put on to get into your pants.

>>43732538
based trvthnuke

>>43733010
Congratulations on personally happy you found yourself. I have no have no criticism of you whatsoever.
My truth is if I didn't pass well I would probably have some of the gay guy. I'm basically a gay guy who passes as a woman

>>43732922
there are far more countries where post op trans women can marry men than where men can marry men
in the us, courts ruled a trans woman could marry a man in 1978
a man was not legally allowed to marry a man until 2004
trans is FAR more accepted than gay, trannies are just homophobes and don't want to admit they are just assimilationist gays willing to castrate themselves to fit in

>>43733166
It's such a lie to say they castrate themselves as a compromise. We hate male hormones; we hate the way they feel and the way they affect our physiology. Why can't you just accept that we're different?

>>43733648
why can't you just accept that being trans is anti gay conversion therapy?

>>43733134
I stoped caring about sexuality outside of pride as a whole a while ago. I've met feminine men, masculine women, and everyone in-between. Labels and the expected stereotypes just start to kinda suck in that regard and most of those who care that much about sexuality or act 100% whatever aren't fooling anyone but themselves or have some sort of sociopathic disorder where sexuality is treated as a members only club. I find gay clubs and most of the older men are the worst for it with incel culture starting to create the next younger generations of misogynistic gay men. When I was cis it's like, dude I'm just here to socialize and maybe suck some dick, not hate on women and pussy all night to prove how gay I am. It's like a never ending feedback loop of gay chicken to posture and cope. Not to assume everyone is there for sex but the energy is totally different compared to hetero or trans clubs. It when I started to realize a fair amount of mainstream "gay' men aren't actually into other men like heteros are for the opposite sex and it's more of an accessory they have to aggressively defend to stave off loneliness.

>>43732585
>you should restrict your sexuality and dating options to make my ideology more valid.

Everything is just projection with you people isn't it.

>>43733654
Because for me, it just doesn't make sense. I came out gay and was accepted as prat of the SF gay community for10 years, but I was always going to circumference, never popular. Much like a drag queen, I was interesting to some, but to the core of gay men, not considered attractive.
I was an outcast because I didn't want to adopt a masculine persona. When I was younger, I literally had some gay men tell me, "you should cut your hair and try to wear more masculine clothes"
I didn't like looking masculine. Gay men would explain how a guy, being attracted to a masculine image, expected me to do the same for him, I should do the same in return. I never felt real trying to be other than my feminine self

>>43733872
Faggots will never understand. They will just jerk each other off about masc4masc and when you say "yeah this isn't me" they get upset because their own shame for being homosexual leaks out when they see someone who is "gay" but isn't perceived as being gay.

>>43733748
>aren't fooling anyone but themselves or have some sort of sociopathic disorder where sexuality is treated as a members only club.

I was following what you're saying up until here. I'm totally lost about who's sociopathic and why?

>>43732547
Probably transwomen
AND, bonus, sucking out their transwomanly male gametes.... mmmmmmmmmMMMM

>>43733748
>when I started to realize a fair amount of mainstream "gay' men aren't actually into other men like hetero

This is very confusing because to me. It's only gay men who are interested in men. Straight men hate gay men back when I first came out, they would beat us up, if they knew we were gay.
Once I was past the age of 15, I never socialize with straight men, I was afraid of them

>>43733891
We have very different experiences, the gay men I knew were very positive and outward about being gay. They would criticize me for being feminine. They thought I was trying to imitate a straight woman, which maybe was true; however, it was still my sexuality the way I felt about myself as a person

>>43732600
>>43732709
This

>>43733985
Truths right here. The gay aspect of LGBT isn't as homogeneous as people think. There are many different subcircles within gay culture and most feminine men had to make their own spaces since it was largely frowned upon in the more macho scenes. It's a very interesting social observation since there will usually still be pairings where one guy in the couple is slightly less masculine or a twink, but not too much or ridicule happens. Go figure hyper masculine hetero or gay men are often just insecure and love to overcompensate. And the unspoken rule of it's okay to be bi if the guy is hot, young, and hung. It's really not that bad if the misogynistic or biphobic attitudes weren't so prevalent. Even most lesbians don't obsess and talk about women or femininity that much.

>>43734140
Other than old gay friends who have known for many years, I haven't been to gay clubs, younger gay men is sometime..
I never felt gay men were that Macho in their personality to try to dress and look it but they're not really personally nearly as masculine acting as straight guys. This is from my personal experience.
I know gay men are not interested in feminine gay men, it's usually a compromise for them, if they're involved with a feminine man.
Gay men also enjoy drag as a show, but not as a sexually attractive instrument

>>43734191
Like I said, there are many different scenes and it's become a lot more inclusive in recent years. A lot of leather, blue collar, and bear bars aren't that progressive compared to the more modern clubs. Bath houses tent to still be very transphobic even toward trans men. A lot of times it's just jealousy since even mid tier fag hag can get attention more easily from bisexual chad thundercock. It's just misogynistic. The same reason so many old school gay guys hate trans and are trying to drop the T from LGB and would do the same to L and B if given the chance. Pride organizing always has drama behind the scenes. Even more so as the world slips further into fear and tribalism. It's treated as best unspoken but talk to any drag queens who were community leaders who had to deal with being shunted out of the optics of pride or village dynamics. For trans we've rarely had any real spaces that weren't shared and it's why it's so important those aren't taken away from us.