As a mtf it disturbs me how pooners view growing up male. Sure, maybe if you get lucky with a top .01% father who is kind and loving and emotionally mature, but do you have any idea how few and far between those are? Most likely you don't grow up playing ball and working on cars and building a relationship with your dad most likely you are being shouted at and punished for expressing any emotion and don't you dare ask for help because you're a MAN and MEN don't do that.If anything you're far more likely to have a positive relationship with your dad if you're a girl. (Unless your dad is a physical abuser which unfortunately happens as well more than we'd like)Anyway.. the grass isn't necessarily greener.
>>43735845I dunno. Even if your dad isnt perfect you can still love him and have a good relationship in some ways.
Also there are people who didn't grow up with dad in their life at all or they were abandoned in childhood by their dad.
>>43735845my dad favored my brother over me and he was allowed privileges and personal freedoms that i wasnt because i was a g*rl
>>43735845>but do you have any idea how few and far between those are?Yes because cis men in general are deplorable, so 8/10 our fathers were also being sexist + transphobic + homophobic at us>punished for expressing any emotionnormal childhood experience>don't you dare ask for helpnormal childhood experience, nothing you're saying here is out of the ordinary anon, that's just how cis men do
>>43735845Yeah my dad generally just worked and ranted about minorities. FTMs regret not having a masculine relationship with their father? I don’t feel like I missed out on much
>>43735845As an mtf I want to have sex with my mother so I can't judge
>>43735845My dad would call me useless
>>43735845to be fair like 80% of mtfs on this board had abusive fathers and are inclined to hating their childhood as a boy due to dysphoriabut i agree, i dislike most pooners (i'm not gonna avoid saying this for le awesome st4t points, the majority of them are just insufferable) and many of them are incredibly naive and will do cringy teenager shit like romanticizing all the time. most fathers in particular aren't great and 'a masculine relationship with your dad' is kinda nonsense.i think we just live 12 worlds away from cishet normalfags that get to have non abusive childhoods>>43735878>>43735854retarded normie reply. speaking in subjects like child abuse when you clearly dont know what ur talking about should get you hit 100% of the time
damn i had boy childhood as ftm my father hated my guts and my mom yelled at me every time i cried "STOP CRYING" until i stoppedim soulpassing fron another note i think yearning for these gendered childhoods is really weird. my parents were crazy but let me play with all kind of toys and my father would teach me mechanics shit before he'd call me retarded
>>43735878Or got the best of both, mine after I was like 5 would despair for 2-3 years, comeback settle in for a few months, then leave again repeat half a dozen times, then relentlessly abused by step dads in the mean time :]
>>43737451(Dissappear not despair)*
>>43735845you don't know what it's like to grow up male THOUGH
>>43737410>my mom yelled at me every time i cried "STOP CRYING"Istg people are brainwashed to believe girls don't get told to stop crying, they do the only difference is that boys get told to stop crying because they need to be "manly" but girls get told to stop crying just because. Everyone says girls are allowed to cry, it's not true I got the exact same treatment as the boys did it's just that I was told I was being annoying but the boys were told they needed to act like men. Now men pretend they have a special kind of trauma because they were told to stop crying because they were men when the same thing happened to women and women are just being gaslit about being allowed to cry.
>>43737362Why the reddit spacing
>>43737497what do you think mtf stands for
>>43737504nvm basedi also like to be told "omg why would you go from easy mode (WOMAN) to hardcore++ (short man)" fuck yougo transition if you think women's lives are so fucking easy lmao
>>43737504Women really will say they have it harder in every aspect and put others down with the original problem. Thank God I'm a faggot.
>>43737563Ohhh noo did your parents tell you to stop crying when you were young? Ohhhh noooo the horror poor baby
>>43735845Yes surely the gender identity known for oppressing a large variety of people will treat me very well
>>43737504I think OP's point was more on the fact that the only acceptable emotional outlet guys have growing up is anger, anything else if you're lucky you get told to man up or ignored, usually bullied and or beat for it though, and if either you hate/can't get angry at people then you have no outlet other than hating/blaming yourself
>>43737636Genuinely do you think girls are treated any differently? I would be told to stop crying and my parents would ignore me too if I got angry I would get a whooping and I would also be told that anger is inappropriate for girls.
>>43737563just say youre 5'5
>>43737636That's basically what it's like growing up as a woman
>>43737663>Genuinely do you think girls are treated any differently>if I got angry I would get a whooping and I would also be told that anger is inappropriate for girlsclearly
>>43737725The only point I was trying to make is that women experience the exact same crap and then everyone turns around and pretends it doesn't happen. If you don't get it you don't get it I guess.
>>43737757just because you experienced some crap doesn't mean it was the same crap or that it affected you in the same way
>>43737787Fine go ahead and pretend women don't get told to cry
>>43735845I love my son more than anything on this earth, even if he deciced to switch to the inferior gender
>>43737818do you really think women get told to man up just as much as men do?
>>43737883They don't get told to man up they get told to get it together that's the only difference
parents don't want their kids crying, it's loud and makes people around them think they are a bad parent for not controlling their kid, doesn't matter if it's boy or girl, differences are in coping strategies for overcoming emotional dysregulation
>>43737924why do women still end up crying while men struggle to even shed a tear then?
>>43737960>why do women still end up cryingThey don't it's just as unacceptable for them to cry in public as it is for men
>>43737757Im not saying they don't, im saying most of the time they can go to someone to deal with these things, even if its just surface level platitudes, whereas as a guy you are expected to be impenetrable mentally, and anyone who who even slips up for a second will get it hammered into them they cant show any weakness, unless its for the sake of consoling others, best way I can describe it is that its like holding your breath for life no matter how suffocating it gets That said Im not saying living as a man or woman is easier/harder overall, but in terms of how you get to handle you're emotions it is
>>43737994so you seriously think men and women cry the exact same amount
>>43737994>They don't it's just as unacceptable for them to cry in public as it is for menYeah the main difference is in private/close freinds and family, the only permissible time to cry as a man is the death of a close relative or partner, and if you can't there's something wrong with you
>>43738028>Yeah the main difference is in private/close freinds and familyIn my family that's not the case and I'm sure this applies to other families too>>43737996>im saying most of the time they can go to someone to deal with these things,Go to who? During my childhood I couldn't go to my parents. Do you really think there aren't any women who never go to someone else to cry?>>43738009It's possible that there's a bias but I would blame that on hormones and not on society
>>43738108so do you have like, any male friends at allany friends in general?
>>43737530changing presentation. you were never treated like a normal guy because your genes are coded to make you think, behave and react like a tranny faggot. This condition has shaped your experiences from the moment you were born to such an immense degree that you can't come up with a realistic mental model of what it's like to grow up as a cisgender male.
>>43738139Are you asking this to say you can't cry in front of male friends? Guess what you have to get really close to women before you cry in front of them too. If you cry and you're just friends she's going to think you're weird as hell too.
>>43738256men don't cry in front of each other even if they are best friends for years and years
>>43738108>Go to who? During my childhood I couldn't go to my parents. Do you really think there aren't any women who never go to someone else to cry?I never limited it to crying, I mean trying to even talk about anything emotional to anyone without being blamed or mocked or beat down for it, wether that be freinds family teachers school councillors youth services etc... At best you'd get ignored or told to "man up" but usually it ends up with you being blamed for the cause of everything and family called who'd beat it out of you, or you'd be excluded or given detention for it at school
>>43738302Then you've never had male friends who were extremely close to you
>>43738328You're crazy if you think a teacher or school counselor is going to take you seriously as a girl
>>43738344believe whatever you want ig, men and women act exactly the same
>>43738372I never said they act the exact same, just that women also get told to suck it up
>>43738384and i never said they don't im just saying that men are punished for showing emotion more
>>43738394You think women aren't punished for it when in reality they get told they're being emotional and hysterical when they're showing their emotions. That's kind of exactly my point the same crap happens to women, you just pretend not to see it.
>>43738364I mean I just base it off of my lived experienced, where i could try to talk about the fact im being abused at home, to have it spun to be my fault for getting beat by an alcohol parent who hates me, and have freinds with similar experiences, but one of my freinds is accused of rape, has their entire life upended, the whole community rallies around the accuser, just for her to drop everything a couple weeks later because she just wanted to get back at him for breaking up with her, and everyone kind of just moves on, but his life is basically destroyed by it and he has to move away to have any hope of a social life
>>43738440nta but>im just saying that men are punished for showing emotion>moreplease quit huffing spray paint thank youu!!
>>43735845>>43737362My favorite part about growing up male was getting medically raped and having my genitals mutilated a few hours after birth and getting groomed into thinking I didn't deserve a choice because it's better that way. Only to end up regretting it anyhow and being gaslit by even my therapists to get me to stop talking about it. Second to that was repeatedly getting sexually harassed in the locker room, explicitly banned from changing in the stall, and overall having no escape or protection from boys talking about making me their bitch. Third was getting called gay by my brother and father for not objectifying and drooling over girls. Fourth was living in the shadow of my younger brother and being expected to care for him.>>43737410I believe this is often the case with both mtfs and ftms we experienced a lot of cross-gendered socialization and likely have brain regions that causes us to latch onto that socialization.
>>43735845>Sure, maybe if you get lucky with a top .01% father who is kind and loving and emotionally matureNona, girls don't get a body double father who likes them while hating their brother. Fathers don't care most of the time, that's just how it is.>most likely you are being shouted at and punished for expressing any emotion and don't you dare ask for help because you're a MAN and MEN don't do thatGetting shouted at for crying is fairly common in general. I got shouted at for crying, called whiny and undisciplined. I was also heavily punished for resisting and getting angry. I had to display a cheerful and obedient demeanor all the time or face the consequences. Initiative, anger, independence, non-conformism, crying: unacceptable. Agreeing to everything, smiles: mandatory. Kind of like living in a nork-tier surveillance state.
>>43738440literally just misrepresenting what i said even though i typed it out and you can reread it idk what to say even
>>43738461How are they punished more for it?>>43738455Isn't there like a statistic that says 0.001% of rapists are falsely accused? What you're describing is extremely rare so why should I pretend this is happening on a large scale? It's not.
>>43738482You just said that men are punished for it more. They're not.
>>43738474I think AMABs underestimate how much freedom they had compared to female children. Girls are under constant control.
>>43738513if men cry in front of their male peers, they won't be taken seriously anymore.if women cry in front of their female peers, they tend to be protected by them.
>>43738576Not true.You cry in front of a woman and that hyena is going to turn around and gossip to everyone else about your problems.
>>43738554When I was exercising my boy freedom I was getting cigarette burns, pocket money stolen from me, or I was choked once on a busI'd rather have been controlled
>>43738631Now imagine you're controlled and all of that happens to you anyway
>>43738613that has nothing to do with U crying thobeit, shed gossip anyways. I'm talking about UR FRIENDS!!>inb4 all female friends r like thatonly if u r 2
>>43738646It wouldn't haveEven the biggest subhumans have a credo of not touching girls, boys are free real estate which is why I was a target
>>43738646And then it's your fault because you were supposed to never leave your parent's sight/never walk alone/never provoke them. You genuinely don't understand how soul sucking it is, being unable to relax because you're watched like a prisoner and supposed to be happy about it. When you're free, you might suffer but there are also opportunities. When you're controlled, there is nothing waiting for you but learned helplessness and neuroticism.>>43738667>girls don't get touchedLmaooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>43738656It only doesn't happen with women you're extremely close to. If you're not extremely close, they all definitely are laughing behind your back.
>>43738696ok?
>>43738715Being laughed about is not being protected ok?
>>43738758you are way too stupid to consider or understand the point being made, so yeah sure women are ostracized just as much as men for being emotional
>>43738875There is no point to consider or understand if there was you would've said what it is
>>43738966
>>43738979Just name the point
>>43738998Just stop being low IQ
>>43739014Ok I stopped nowNow name the point
>>43739022Evidently not otherwise you would have gotten the point even if it seems improbable to you. The ability to recognize, consider and analyse hypothesis from various perspectives, even those you would disagree with given your current dominant belief system, is pretty rudimentary to people more than let's call it 1.5 standard deviations above the IQ mean. As other posters have recognized and defended the point being made in an instant, it is safe to assume that you did not just measure up to the average IQ itt because you say so especially because what you're writing immediately contradicts said assertion.
>>43739071No I'm smart now look
>>43739076
>>43739107Why would you flip me off I'm smart now
>>43739125i'm ballsy
>>43739144Ok I'm reverting it since you're not making your point
>>43739163do you think I'm having this conversation for fun?
>>43739173What are you having it for then?
>>43739184I was tasked with spreading wisdom by higher powers. They talk through my earthly husk.
>>43739216They have exorcisms for that
>>43739240I have a cross shaped dildo I ram up my ass a few times a week. I was told this helps, by the higher powers.
>>43739278That's nice but maybe it's time for a real priest
>>43739313Bismillah never
>>43739334Pretty sure they do islamic exorcisms too
>>43735845My dad was emotionally absent so I was mostly raised by my mom
>>43735845my dad made me take care of the kids, and would beat me/them if we bothered him.mom was out of the picture, and since im 8 years older than the next, i was pretty much my dad's bitch.funny how he kicked me out when i came out as a tranny.anyway he's dating a 30 year old mtf now.fuckass.
>>43737563Yeah they always have to be the victims
>>43737924That's not the most common experience for women lol
>>43739564It is lol
never understood mommy or daddy issues
>>43739547>funny how he kicked me out when i came out as a tranny.>anyway he's dating a 30 year old mtf nowWhat the fuck
>>43735854my dad spent all the money on crack. he neglected me and was emotionally and verbally abusive. he also let bad people into our home and I was molested. I can work on a car tho.
>>43739564It literally is, with everything from health issues to chores. I know there families who baby and coddle girls, and those girls grow up to be retarded tyrants, but they are far and few between.>pull yourself together, you have to do X, no one is gonna do it for you>why are you whining, everyone is doing it without complaintbecomes>pull yourself together, you have people to look afterwhen you're older.
>>43739757she's been trying to get me and my dad to rekindle.fucker had me bumming for months.whats weird is that shes closer in age to the kids than to dad.
