>>43738088
What's your diet and exercise like?

>>43738093
I do like 14k steps a day my job is physical.

I started going vegetarian like a couple months back but have recently been getting craving so I am eating a caloric surplus

>>43738088
blood tests? levels? assuming not high T/low E probably ultralow igf-1 and i don't know what one can do about that but there can be things i think from what i understand, you should blood test for that too before doing anything and research and such
prog seems unlikely to help
you should also crosspost into hrtgen, someone may be of help there

>>43738088
>220 pg/ml
testosterone level not mentioned, are you testing right before next injection, you should be specifying level of what but i guess assumingly this is E but you didn't mention T which is kind of important

>>43738230
These are the only blood results i have done. It was at about 3 months in and I am thinking of doing another one.

My T is really low and my E is like exactly where my target was.

I should probably check this, but fuck even if it was like that back in month 3 surely I should have at least something right?

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>>43738284
Shit pic didnt post sry

Levels are my trough the day I was due to inject in the morning

>>43738088
This is of course complete redneck trailer park science, BUT I more or less blasted my levels up to 400 for like three months, grew hilarious tubes, as expected, then stopped completely for a month, during which they would round out a bit and then blasted a little bit less for another three months, they tuned up, I stopped for a month,...
All in all I went through three cycles and now I don't get all tubey anymore but just stay sorta nicely shaped and keep a somewhat normal injection regimen.
Maybe the growth hormones just need a reset every now and then (at least at the begining).

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>>43738309
>781

>>43738088
Mods! this foid is showing tiddies!

>>43738358
ELABORATE TELL ME IF I NEED TO DO MORE OR LESS RAAAHHHHHH

>>43738374
you should do less. your body is preparing for pregnancy rn.

>>43738401
Its only like a lil bit above the recomended range, and would that seriously have a big effect on .y breast growth specifically?

Surely if mh body is preppering for pregnancy it would be trying to give me bewbs?

>>43738358
>>43738401
pmol/l

>>43738284
...yes something is clearly not working right i think, you should retest your levels and igf-1 and dht (dht is not necessarily relevant but if it's high that's balding-bad and in that case you would want to maybe take dutasteride)(dht is to be tested by LC-MS/MS method, not immunoassay)
>E 213 pg/mL
>T 36 ng/dL
>LH and FSH suppressed
not really bad, i think one could expect to have made progress with these levels, although if you both do still have these levels and have not had progress on them i'd think of maybe raising your E dosage, but it just doesn't seem like you should have not had progress on that so i still would suspect you have some igf-1 issue or something or just far worse levels since this was a long time ago so you should retest and then see the status of things and then think of what to do next

>>43738538
I'm not balding so DHT should be irrelevant, and I don't even have like any T so why should that matter?

Also what is igf-1 can I test this, what is a fix for it?

>>43738088
just inject more e

>>43738088
fat nigga

>>43738088
This is what my chest looks like on Finasteride 1mg/day after a year and a half

Getting fat was the best thing I did for my boobs

>>43738688
I am trying to do this rn.

Probably shouldn't was trying to stay thin for my FFS which is in 1 month, but I am really struggling with the fact I dont have titties by now

>>43738597
not everyone with high DHT is balding. it depends on how your androgen receptors react to the DHT more than anything, though that is a bit of an oversimplification. on the other hand, DHT is definitely antagonistic to breast growth, so it is a real possibility, though perhaps unlikely.
for IGF-1 you can look at things like pioglitazone and growth hormones, plus extra exercise if you wanna go the natural route.

>>43738597
dht can be high without t being high in some people, it might have been relevant so i included it because i saw you didn't test for it
>Also what is igf-1 can I test this, what is a fix for it?
you can test for it, look it up, it's growth hormone relevant and such, which is breast growth relevant
>what is a fix for it?
no idea, i think they do something for it medication-wise if it's genuinely ultralow, i don't know what they take
you should probably also post in 4chan.org/lgbt/hrtgen as smart people appear there occasionally, also r/DrWillPowers has things you can look into in relation to this

>>43738088
11 months is nothing and nothing anybody says will make you feel better about your boob size until you're happy with them. It sucks but it's what it is. Your levels are within feminizing range so make sure to keep them there. Puberty takes years and genetics plays a large part in it. You also have to remember that most people on social media, trans or not are looking for a unicorn they can vicariously live through or stroke their own ego with, so don't expect much sympathy or good advice. Even most of the posts in LGBT are just ragebating for attention or their sadist fetish.

>>43738754
I am here bc I checked the powers method and realised I am likely doing something wrong.

I checked my levels once and was like ok now I should just wait but I am looking into it and now something seems very off

>>43738088
Just do what flat cis-women do, and get implants

>>43738819
at 11 months? are u fucking daft?

>>43738819
I am not getting implants when I still have fucking pin pricks for nipples.

>>43738776
>11 months is nothing
they clearly have some likely fixable issue, most people have more breast growth than this at a year on hrt, waiting more without changing anything is not a good idea
>Puberty takes years
because hormone levels increase slowly during puberty, unlike what happens when you take hrt

>>43738788
>powers method
to my understanding there isn't a powers method that one can easily point to in this way so i'm not sure what you could mean by this
>I checked my levels once and was like ok now I should just wait but I am looking into it and now something seems very off
i think your levels there are not bad, but the lack of progress means something is wrong so something is wrong
also i see your didn't test for shbg either, you should

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>>43738788
>I am here bc I checked the powers method and realised I am likely doing something wrong.
powers is a chaser faggot. he wants your tits big, but only so he can look at them while he goons your clitty.
look elsewhere.
>>43738088
here are your options:
1) wait and see what happens
2) check igf-1 and DHT
3) try out pioglitazone and clobetasol
4) play around with LH/FSH levels
5) try putting topical E/P on yo tits
6) give up and pump yo tits with a vacuum (breast pumping)
cheers.

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>>43738841
I did test SHBG here it is (same test date btw)

>>43738343
The absolute worst way to take hrt

>>43738941
glad you said that bc I am stressing out and I'm like 2 steps away from grabbing my needle and giving myself an extra dose

>>43738309
I had super high estrogen early and have pretty awful breast development late
I think I may have destroyed my estrogen receptors or something T_T
t. MtF 2.5 years HRT

>>43738088
welcome to the no tits club, it's miserable here

>>43738088
You know they're small when you don't get banned for posting them... really sorry nona. Are you eating well and getting lots of sleep? These are mine at around 7 months. https://files.catbox.moe/fhrk0k.jpg

>>43738867
putting e on your tits is a one way ticket to breast cancer city. also who cares is dr.powers is a chaser if his results are better than like any other doctor, i'd go to his practice for hrt in a heartbeat if given the chance.

>>43738841
People like you are the worst and why you have to come to places to 4chan to spread this misinformation because you'd get banned off any legit forum. I never once said they shouldn't be double checking or being vigilant but the garbage you spout gives people false hope who hasn't transitioned yet or can worsen their dysphoria for those still in the middle of it. Shame on you. Fuck off.

>>43739754
...and in my opinion what you're saying is nonsense that only makes people do nothing and wait for years when they should have done something with their hrt 3 years ago and not just wait for things to magically improve because 'puberty takes a long time'
>can worsen their dysphoria for those still in the middle of it
worth the tradeoff of not just keeping them waiting for improvement that isn't going to come unless they do something
like
>1 months is nothing and nothing anybody says will make you feel better about your boob size until you're happy with them
why are you telling OP this, isn't that just nonsense, what are you doing, they are having no progress a year into hrt clearly, barely any breast growth at all, CLEARLY, and you're telling them this, why, it's just nonsense and is more likely to keep them where they are instead of prompting them to fix their problem because clearly it's not just genetics and time here, clearly
>Your levels are within feminizing range so make sure to keep them there
>It sucks but it's what it is.
>Puberty takes years and genetics plays a large part in it
what are you doing, why are you doing this, can't you see you are making it worse, they have a problem and you're telling them it's just that they need to wait for a longer time and accept defeat, you didn't say that they should like figure out their problem immediately, instead you're telling them no it's all fine and accept it and they just need to wait for 8 more years because puberty takes a long time, what is this
>I never once said they shouldn't be double checking or being vigilant
you didn't say they SHOULD be, and what you actually did express was that nothing can be done and they should accept it, and then you see posts of people who are 8 years on hrt and suicidal because people on reddit.com have been telling them for years they just need to wait when in reality their hrt has been being non-functional for years

>>43738343
that sounds like what cismanonhrt did to keep them small. ive been meaning to ask them about the details of their cycle but cbf finding them. of course i want to avoid certain things but i think i might modify their plan

>>43739938
>they should have done something with their hrt 3 years ago and not just wait for things to magically improve because 'puberty takes a long time'
it might help if we had some kind of evidence backed method that was guaranteed to work

>>43739467
jelly

>>43740111
>it might help if we had some kind of evidence backed method that was guaranteed to work
giving up and doing literally nothing to try to improve things i'm sure has lower chances of success than actually trying things and/or researching things and/or etc, telling someone one year in with seemingly abnormally little results they should just accept it and "puberty takes a long time" is the most least helpful thing one can say to someone in that situation

>>43740218
i agree but the lack of evidence and conflicting reports make it really hard to decide. i mean what if you do the wrong thing and make them worse?

i think op doesnt look too bad and i dont really see why its bad that puberty takes a long time. lots of cis girls have cone tits for years until later puberty

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I think I have decided what im gonna do for now.

I think I may have been lowballing my fat content, it has been in feminising places and I am getting orher feminising results with HRT.

Picrel is only a month ago so I have already been subconsciously bulking to attempt to rectify this clearly.

I am gonna get a test done, but it wont do igf-1, DHT, or progesterone because those are too expensive to add.

I dont want to do anything to drastic, because as I said I am prepping to get FFS in amonth, but I am going to incorporate finnesteride and prog into a modified regime. Finesteride purely to eliminate any chance of DHT being present.

I'm gonna seriously bulk with pio after i recover from ffs, and I will be off HRT for 2 weeks to reduce clotting risks.

If none of that works then idk, maybe I have shit genetics only, but even still it is strange my nipples are nearly unchanged

>>43738088
stay off the prog until you're at tanner 3

>>43740387
it's not really possible to make them worse permanently other than with maybe early prog although that's not entirely clear whether that's a real possibility of making them permanently worse or not
other than that there are things to try that could plausibly harm you overall if you do them wrong but that's like.. there are things to try is my point

>>43740547
>prog
it's uncertain whether early prog can harm future growth (for some people it clearly doesn't) but the consensus on this is that don't take it until later tanner stages. it also seems to unstall breast growth in at least many people at later tanner stages but people don't generally advise to take it early/until at least 2 years on hrt/early tanner stages
>Finesteride
use dutasteride if you can because finasteride is strictly worse than dutasteride at this exact task, and duta is strictly better because it just lowers DHT more effectively because it acts on it in more ways than fina does
>pio
it only acts on fat distribution while your problem seems to be (imo, at least) the lack of breast tissue growth, which is not fat related, could still help but <...>

>>43740683
>for some people it clearly doesn't
or like, at least it doesn't seem to, since there are people with good breast growth who have been on prog from the start, which is not saying i guess that if they haven't been on it from the start that things wouldn't have been different in one direction or the other

>>43740683
Basically my entire plan is shit i guess...

What do i do then?

I am considering doing pills to spike my Estrone to see if that does anything.

I just fucking bought finnestaride so yay me.

Pio os probably a pipe dream and so is gaining weight.

THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG :'(

>>43738088
I think ur just fat, gotta at least lose 30 pounds and then properly start gaining weight while still doing exercise because as of now ur body just look like male, maybe increase E to 1000-1100 pmol, I would wait maybe a few months for prog, 100 then 200. Time will tell, but as of now, ur just fat

>>43740729
increasing E a little sounds like it may maybe help, i think your SHBG seems lower than i've ever seen anyone recommend (lowest target goal for it i've seen was 70 nmol/l, other people i've seen recommend 100-125 nmol/l, i'm not sure on the optimal value but my point is that yours is lower than i've ever seen recommend and upping E would bring T down and raise SHBG which is how that's relevant)
>I am considering doing pills to spike my Estrone to see if that does anything.
that and/or switching to pills does help unstall it for some people so that's something to try
>just fucking bought finnestaride
well you could use that you'll run out of it and then you can buy duta instead if that's available, it's not like it's useless, just duta is an upgrade over it
you could try bica, i happened to see your post in the thing and someone there recommended trying bica and like that could plausibly help maybe, blocks t/dht action, your amount of dht is uncertain
i'd test for igf-1 because if you have good levels but a super low value of it then that'd be why your breast growth has been bad, it can be raised by exercise/eating protein but if it's so low that you'd need medication for it (i've seen i think cases of that on drpowers subreddit) then that'd probably directly help in that case, although again i'm not quite sure on like what they take and in what dosages and availability of it through non-prescription routes so i'm not actually sure i know what i'm talking about on this

>>43740547
duta is better for blocking prog conversion to dht, also i'm envious and will be kmsing in 5 seconds

>>43738088
I takes like 10 years to grow boobs. yes, some people have the titty gene. but most people don't. cis women get boob jobs all time, there are millions of boob jobs a year lol. it takes time to grow and age your breasts.

t. no growth in first 2 years now tanner 4 big c cups

>>43740862
I'm not testing for IGF1 until im truly stuck. I googled symtpoms of high and low, but actually I would say I have too much. My tongue is HUGE and so are my nose and lips. All or symptoms check out for me having to much of that and I have none of the symptoms of it being low.

>>43740888
Dont do be envious of me I am clearly a fat peice of shit now according to other nonas

>>43740901
I want to believe this can be me so bad but it really, really feels like something is just wrong

>>43740967
>My tongue is HUGE and so are my nose and lips
they don't shrink retroactively if it's low now but was normal/high during your puberty or whatever years before your current age, so this is really not evidence it in one direction or another

>>43738088
get fatter