i know that there are like 4 people who voicetrain here but ts is just sad

you just have to keep practicing

>>43745116
you really just get the ability to like go beyond your limits over time? i guess that's how other effort things work
i just see so much depressing stuff about it here i guess

>>43743647
I'm a natural baritone and I can nail the alto range. Keep trying

>>43745368
but i mean like resonance not pitch

>>43743647
I can give you the hugbox answer or the real answer. Lots of people involving this topic are afraid or get angry at the real answer because it might go against their cope or scare off potential fuckmeat. Sometimes both.

>>43743647
i really wanna master resonance and just do zero pitch, get a hot deep girl voice >w<

>>43745457
sure man go ahead as long as it's not some gincel shit

>>43745474
Girl actually. What it comes down to and what a lot of people don't want to admit is talent and genetics. This is why professional voice actors and singers are a thing. They can train all their life and still have trouble hitting their goal. Even then, a sneeze, cough, bad mood? All those can easily break the voice and it's why even someone who wants to fully pass still needs a very supportive partner and friends who understands it's going to be an issue from time to time. What a lot of people tend to avoid advocating for vocal feminization surgery, often because it's an expense that most, especially younger trans women can't afford. So they rely on false promises and disingenuous good enoughs. Especially for online spaces and chasers where there is no real commitment anyways. Now I'm not telling you to stop your voice training, or it's hopeless, or trying to scare you away from it. I'm trying to say there is always another option if you find voice training alone isn't getting you where you want to be in your goals. The truth of it is, it's still very much a form of dysphoria and no form of affirming care should be ignored or treated as unneeded. It's a hypocrisy you'll come across in many trans groups and those who treat transitioning as one size fits all. Wishing you all the best.

>>43745561
i feel like im pretty close resonance-wise to somethin that'd be acceptableish instead ofjust a tranny voice, i just want to know if i can physically push myself over that hurdle if i try hard enough (ive only been voice training for like 2 weeks so like if people can get better i can get better from here you know?)
vfs isnt a super expensive surgery i think
funnily enough i have actually only really heard the opposite to what you're saying where people say voice training is completely impossible and is mostly just genetics so if you didn't voicepass since like puberty it's over but i thought i'd give effortmaxxing a try anyway

>>43745661
Nobody can really set your goals but you be that resonance, pitch, tone, inflections, or regional accents and diction. Most trans spaces online are completely different compared to talking to women in real life who struggle even after decades of transitioning and it's often those people you will find the most candor. Even recently I had the pleasure of talking to a woman who asked if they could ease up on their voice because they were still dealing with a cold and it was the most real thing I'd experienced in a while. It was also where I was able to talk about VFS with someone where it wasn't met with aggression and fallacies and not feel like a crazy person living in an alternate reality. And while it's not that expensive in comparison to other forms of affirming care, it's still a cost a lot of people don't readily have or is covered through insurance or benefits. You might find a spot where your training hits a point you're happy with and anything else doesn't bother your dysmorphia. I'm cautioning against those who might try to downplay the importance of affirming care no matter what that might be and offer an extra complimentary option.

>>43745661
every single damn time, its always just up to genetics. i hate being a troon. fml.

>>43745806
Same but it's still better than being cisgendered in a gender that doesn't match who I am. Been there done that. Even my worse moods since I've transitioned have been better than when I spent my life pretending to be a male and constantly trying to disassociate from it. >Hey. That piece of trash is being happy and hopeful again. Stop it!

>>43745780
so will i actually be able to get better or is it really just genetics only like these two >>43745806 >>43745927 say

>>43745982
Genetics is more of a factor than a strict barrier depending on what levels of dysphoria you have. Nobody else can really define your goals for yourself but you can express them and find those who will support you in proactive and honest ways. Everything is easier with a partner in crime.

>>43746136
can you please stop the nothingburger statements and just say if it's possible to voicepass or if it's just genetics?

>>43746391
For some it is but not all the time which can trigger dysphoria they might be able to live with and for others they may never reach a level they're truly happy with with voice training alone. Sorry if that's not the answer you want. It's a bit of a loaded question. All you can do is keep at it and use the resources available including voice coaches and voice therapy until you're happy with the results or look into other methods to help, primarily VFS.

>>43746459
>for some it is possible
okay so how do i figure out if im one of those people

>>43746480
You keep at it and be honest with yourself on what you can tolerate as a personal goal reached that affirms you and your own acceptable breaks in your voice. While it's not the best advice since it's often a better idea to find your own voice, if you have a specific person or character you can emulate, it can help give a more clear target when you feel lost in your training and aimless.

>>43746566
so there are no like markers to know if my body is even capable of making a passing voice or anything

>>43746573
Not really since it's highly subjective. There is an average median that most people can achieve but still struggle with consistently maintaining it since it's not going to magically change vocal cords and you're still actively putting on a voice. It can become second nature but still requires a level of effort. Feminine voices come in all types and you're rarely going to find even trans women who sound exactly the same without that being the goal. This is why impressionists are also a thing. That's not a bad thing. Everyone has a sort of impression to their voice and how tone changes when I'm certain situations that comes from their upbringing and environment outside of accents.

>>43745661
>ive only been voice training for like 2 weeks
girl. give it some time at least, damn.

>>43746619
yah, i just want to sound like a cis woman, im not really picky or anything, eventually if you do a voice enough it can just kinda become how you talk, i didnt like my voice during puberty so i tried to sound like a woman for a really long time, but of course i was a kid and didnt really know anythin about voice so it never really worked but my natural voice is just higher than it should probably have been now
i always kinda liked messing with my voice anyway i just stopped because not being able to sound like a girl made me too depressed
>>43746629
i know, i just dunno if im supposed to just be able to magically do it like all these exercise things kinda assume i should be, yknow?

>>43743647
I did it for like 3 years straight on vrchat before finally having passoid voice. Also I spent 6 hours of driving to and from college as well monthly. Its a lot of work to build muscle memory. My friends thought I was using an AI voice changer or put a girl on the first times

>>43746647
Practice helps a lot and it's easier for some than others. Some were already practicing or had trained a more fem voice or had other forms of training years before such as singing or voice acting before they even discovered they're trans. I'm also someone who hates my voice since puberty. I used to voice record stuff all the time, and while I never went through the puberty cracky voice, it was one of the other signs of dysphoria I wasn't able to reconcile until later in life. This is also where my more masculine tones of my voice started to become another mask and defense mechanism I'm still learning to let go of. It seems like you have an idea of what to go for so lean into that. For me one of my anchors was my polite public service voice which was more bright and actually closer to the real me since I seldom felt like I was in fight or flight mode during those situations because it was just strangers. Not trying to make this about me but rather give some insights that might help you or others reading this.

>>43746684
>>43746722
ig ill just keep at it then, thanks anons
do i really have to practice talking to other people with a shitty tranny voice also?