How has being a tranny affected your views, like actually? Are you transfeminist, a transbian seperatist, tgirl supremacist, blackpilled, sick of it all?
I'm a normal girl
>>43764629transfeminist.trans women are the women of women.trans men are the men of trans people.you can see it everywhere you look.
>>43764629Either an ftm supremacist or a female extinctionist depending on how recently I’ve interacted with a woman
>>43764629I have become bitter towards all cissoids but that's it.
>>43764652this is how moids think. if you get to know women they at least have gripes.
>>43764629A trans feminist but also weirdly socially conservative. I don't care what other people do in their day to day tho, I'm just a more traditional person. Whipping girl is a fantastic book that every trans woman should read. There's a reason why it's considered foundational.
>>43764629I've gotten chuddier and more liberal from a previously demsoc perspective, but it's not exactly been a linear trajectory.
>>43764652You're on 4chan. You're not a normal girl. This is why I never liked the normie meme. They're either part of a masonic cult and low-key smug about it, or just an antisocial loser because of being an outcast and reinforcing the same behaviors that made them outcast to begin with.
>>43764678am i stupid that i got very little out of whipping girl? most of what it talks about i'd already gleaned through years of following trannies online
I don't really find any trans specific feminism convincing, so I'm just a radfem with a marxist bent.I guess I probably wouldn't have been interested in it as much if I wasn't a tranny though
I'm pro west and anti communist
>>43764629im unsure but the more i read books/essays/papers on this stuff and related topics the more woke i become (to the point very 'woke' people have called me woke)t. ex chud repper
>>43764677Ok but those are all stupid opinions to have? I can be feminist-adjacent (hate labels) without having some weird extremist ideology.>>43764711Well compared to thr average tranny here I'm extremely normal lmao I'm just anxious and traumatised.
>>43764712No, i don't think it makes you stupid. A lot of it is stuff that I think trans girls can Intuit on our own, it just puts words to things we all already know and can be helpful as far as arguing a clear position on rights for trans women. idk what to do about trans men desu. But it would be gender affirming for them to do things for themselves for once
>>43764629Being trans has made me discover and comprehend transfeminist theory. Other than that, I guess it has made me more sick of everything. Though that's perhaps more due to poverty. Don't know.
>>43764737Many such cases
>>43764761I'm just yapping and a low tier burgerhon. Please disregard any opinion.
>>43764629It genuinely made me more humble and a more objective, neutral evaluator of information, because I learned people in any faction can potentially turn on me and be maximally vile no-good human beings if tranny doesn't service them exactly as designated. I also learned it was better for trans people back when political polarization wasn't as bad anyway, so I kind of prefer people to reconcile if possible.So like why would I have some massive investment in any particular faction, I can just evaluate and tell people what the truth is better now because I'm more invested in my identity anyone could hate or love no matter their background. Before I cared more about some ideology instead.
>Julia Serano
>>43764712No whipping girl was more of a way to push conversations on transfeminism in 2009. I was in college then and it was considered normal to be like "trans women reinforce gender but its ok" and that being the qhole of it. Rereading the intro on the newer versions after having read the book, it made sense that it doesnt seem revolutionary. So thats why she spent a lot of time trying to come up with terms, transmisogyny being the one that stuck, to give language to an understanding many of us already had.>>43764716most online way of expressing most normie opinion
>>43764903she passed before 2014(?) and the "trans tipping point"
>>43764712Where do you think the trannies you’ve followed online got the ideas you’ve gleaned from them? Whipping Girl was published in 2007. Let’s use our heads here
>>43764920I hate the “trans women reinforce gender” meme and I hate that it refuses to die. It makes me unreasonably upset. It’s idealist nonsense. Shooting up estrogen or pitching one’s voice to sound female or whatever doesn’t compel any one to behave or appear in any particular way. It doesn’t make it any harder for cis women to be(come) lesbians or childfree or wear a business suit or abstain from wearing make-up or whatever it is that the people who push this narrative think it does. People can just do what they want. Imagine thinking that the existence of a tiny minority with no institutional power or social influence stops people from doing what they want
>>4376500946 years and this meme refuses to die. I hate this cissexist planet
>>43764629Process ontology mostly. System theory to a lesser extent. Crazy how common this combo is for us
>>43765009It's one of the things I had to come to terms with when realizing I was transgender. That while gendered stereotypes shouldn't be enforced or used as a way to discriminate via sexism, it can still absolutely be a sign that someone is transgendered. It's not saying that girls can do boy things or boys cant do girl things or that people can't have a combination of both traits while remaining cisgendered, but that there can be a disconnect from their assigned gender which is driving those behaviors and can turn into gender dysphoria later in life.
>>43764629>transfeminist, a transbian seperatist, tgirl supremacist, blackpilled,idk what these mean but surei dont think about politics that much i have stuff to do
>>43764629I dislike most trans people, but especially myself. I think most trans people are as mentally ill as the rest of the population. I agree that transmisogyny exists, I think most of the most devout transfeminists are rehashed political lesbians. They want nothing to do with me and I want nothing to do with them. I am a recluse and seek the company of sensitive cis men and intelligent cis women.
>>43765490Wow, it’s almost as though human behaviours are complex traits, meaning that the same behaviour might have completely different causes in two different individuals!(To be clear, I am not making fun of you; I am making fun of those who insist that GNC behaviour can NEVER be a sign that some one might benefit from transitioning)Relevant: https://youtu.be/ZymYiwoRoC0
>>43764629i'm enough of a supremacist that i will simply think 'yeah but they're a cissoid' and that will immediately nuke my ability to care about someones opinion etc and i silently think most of the baeddel/transmisogyny shit are massive truthnukes but i'm not a schizo and don't speak about any of that openly. primarily because i'm not sheltered enough to talk about any deep cut shit people dont like you talking about and i'm not a child so i'm not blackpilled or 'sick of it all'. praxis is better than preaching where it will go unheard
>>43764721>japan is at the top just to showcase it's (forced) unsinkable aircraft carrier status for the US despite most of america still seeing it as very foreignimage was unironically made by a fed. good goy>he's still terrified of the red scare boogeyman under his bed
>>43765814Bigots always make me laugh because you judge people on their identity instead of on how they behave. I wonder what would happen in your mind if you met a cissexual who wholeheartedly agreed with all of your opinions
>>43765834will literally never happen in 7548,2368,9235 billion years but also womp womp
>>43764768I think it's crazy that a growing swath of trans women are against, disagree with, or disbelieve in FTMs.Women are able to express themselves in a variety of ways because they are not considered to be intelligent. What they do does not matter. It's not so much that they are a "slave race" - they are not equal, thinking animals as men. They are not taught to navigate the world as men are. What men call coddling is a form of neglect, refusing to offer women a broader world. Whether that be because it is assumed it is too hard for them, too difficult, unimportant- the result is that women are taught obedience, learned helplessness, but are not given discipline, certainly not the expectation to be SELF disciplined.As such, you see the wave of neurotic women. Not to say that men are not neurotic to an arguable equal extent. But they are free to express themselves, but have nothing to say. A fractured sexuality, a rapidly changing culture in which both women and men are expected to work and be responsible, but men are given the tools to do so more readily through rigorous discipline. So they do retarded shit because it doesn't mean anything. Being a woman means nothing. Being a man can mean ANYTHING.I have known multiple horrid trans women, I have known very strong willed trans men who say what they mean and do what they say (What a bar). I have never thought trans women were illegitimate. People look to neurotic privileged HUHWHYTE women and negate the very idea of being FTM. You create essays not only to explain yourselves, which is sad and it sucks that you feel the need to do that, but to establish what """sisterhood""" (Doesn't exist) is or should be, what women would be if men did not control everything. And you wonder why the mirror image of you is baffling. It is not hard to be understanding, it takes much more effort to create more categories of people to be afraid of.
>>43765814>praxis is better than preaching where it will go unheardis baedal praxis stealing from the tme and giving to the trannies
>>43765853pooners on their way to put on their big dood serious hat and talk about serious shit everyone takes EXTREMELY seriously in only 9463574657 words
>>43765855yeahhhhhh
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>>43765887you will NEVER win with me buddy
>>43764629I would say the only thing being trans itself has changed about my views is that it made me more of a lefty since i don't want to be put in a camp
>>43765853Can any amount of wisdom overcome the poorly concealed pussy envy of the ftm denying trans girly?
>>43765979>mtf with the female symbol and ftm with male symbolnewfag art
>>43765979I don't think this is true for most transfeminists though, of course there's trans women who just hate women but that's not who I am talking about.
I have zero empathy for members of the abrahamic cult
>>43766018I wonder when humanity will get over religion
>>43765853You might've been correct except I'm a white trash neuro divergent who's acted queer all my live so there was no privilege even from other white people. If you haven't been paying attention to the world, whites cannibalize each other just as much as any other race. The reasons I feel the need to explain myself is often because people like you constantly put me under a microscope in order to cope with your own racist envy and insecurities. Also don't be so vain. Most times I'm not even directly responding to people like you but those who might be lurking and got beaten into silence so to give them some sense of not feeling alone. That's what real empathy is. Not the constant race and gender wars you constantly try to spur on in an attempt of retribution against those who had zero involvement with the current system we live within. You don't actually care but want an easy target since you're aware enough to be afraid the of ones who actually pull the strings.
>>43766042I said white as a le funny. Anyways. I have nothing against you, I'm assuming you're a theyfab or otherwise queer. I don't think there's anything wrong with being neither here nor there. While I personally dislike most theyfabs (I dislike most trans people), my point was not that they "make us look bad", it's that the pattern somehow discredits what an FtM is. I don't think extremism is the answer, and I think it's cowardly for MtFs to say that they cannot believe in FtMs because of theyfabs.If you are MtF I have no idea what your point is.
>>43765853ftms are really good at writing essays on nonsense i feel
>>43764629How can you be a woman and not a feminist? And if you don't consider yourself a woman, what exactly did you transition to or toward? Like to me it's just a given. I have a team. I'm sympathetic to men, but I have a team.
>>43764629I have a lot more respect for other social outcast weirdos now, and reading so much tranny-hate online lowkey gave me trust issues with people who have conservative vibes (which is unfair stereotyping and I do try my best to not judge from surface-level impressions, but the instinctive anxiety is still there until I'm sure that they don't hate my existence)
>>43764629I never had any crazy shift in ideological beliefs or anything, I'm pretty much still just a libertarian who wants to live and let live. Unfortunately I did learn that many people who claimed to hold the same principles were basically just lying.
>>43764629blackpilled transbian nationalist with g/acc sympathies. I support the complete annihilation of maleness. I also believe that we are powerless in the face of our enemies and we will all suffer horribly then die.
>>43764629woke proaristocratic chud, some lgbt people should be ruling over the masses because its selective in its nature and unrelated to ones social status(along with other selective groups)but what lgbt people rule should still be decided through psephocracy, though in this psephocracy selective groups ought to have a little more preponderance than the masses
>>43764629I am a chaser but:THE US AND WEST ARE TERRORISTS. many reasons: 1. Racism: Technological advancements, especially in maritime navigation, gave Europe an edge from the 15th century onwards and brought the end of Eastern supremacy of the Chinese empire and Muslim world that relied on land routes such as the silk road. This was due to technological superiority. However, some believed that this was due to cultural superiority or even racial superiority and it brought about many racist sentiments and theories such as scientific racism. These feelings are still very much entrenched in imperialist western societies. After the fall of the European imperialists, it was believed that the US would continue carrying the torch of white power and imperialism. However, technological superiority never lasts due to stuff like reverse engineering. For example, when the US developed the nuclear weapon they thought they would have sole possession of it for 40 years yet the soviets quickly developed it. The Eastern world has now caught up in many aspects or even surpassed the West and the West is in for a rude awakening if it keeps the same mentality.
(continued)2. Projection: Domination is entrenched in western societies. In the Leviathan, Hobbes argues that one must conquer and submit the other to guarantee security for itself. This idea of dominate or get dominated is frequently referenced in western politics by actors such as Mike Huckabee who said in a speech in Tel Aviv that peace is earned through strength. This ties to racism that white people are a minority on Earth, making up only 10% of the world population. Genes are dominant and white people are afraid of being wiped out if they do not dominate colored people. Emmanuel Macron recently said that France needs to increase the number of nuclear warheads it has to guarantee its way of life. However, non-western societies have no shown the desire to subjugate others that Western societies have. So it is purely a projection that "they will do the same we do to them if they are in power".3. Judaism and liberalism. Judaism is a supremacist religion that advocates for segregation. According to the Talmud, gentiles are inferior to Jews and must serve them. It clearly designates and in-group and out-group. The out-group are enemies and must not be trusted. Through centuries of psychological reinforcement, beliefs from the in-group are reinforced and any counter-arguments are pushed away as threats. Judaism has infiltrated American society, which is the most powerful country in the world and the leader of the west, through liberalism which is secularised Judaism for gentiles. Liberalism prohibits welfare, group rights for Goyim, public property. In Judaism, only Jews are allowed welfare, group rights and ownership of the media. Liberalism supports land conquest by Israel.
>>43766210Feminism is a mythological project built around an essentialized subject (“woman”) that has never existed as a coherent class.
>>43765853I don't really understand this post. Are you saying that because FtMs grow up being treated this way, they are more prone to neuroses and the kinds of behaviors that lead to people being "pooners" or thinking they're trans when they're not? And inversely, MtFs have a more ingrained sense of discipline and principles and that's why they so often end up as reppers or having these really intense ideas of how one should look and should act, and they pathologize things and categorize things and all that?
>>43766671No, this was about the theyfab phenomenon, all based on the comment "idk what to do about trans men desu. But it would be gender affirming for them to do things for themselves for once"Although now that I read this again, I realize she was probably referring to FtMs acting like women in relationships, my bad.Regardless of my complete misunderstanding of her comment, my sentiment is the same. And I agree with your summary, except for "MtFs ... pathologize things and categorize things and all that?" -- I do not think MtFs are inherently predisposed to this. It's becoming more common in general, and I was just commenting on the "us vs them" mentality that some transfeminist posters have.I hope you understand my post a bit more, sorry it's been rambly.
>>43764629I've gone from transfeminist assimilationist to degenerate transbian separatist tgirl supremacist. I dream of a tranny ethnostate full of puppygirl faggot bottoms to fuck and be autistic with
Before trooning i was almost conservative in my views, viewed the world as OKNow im a little less naive about the world, its a harsher place than i had thought and i realize what people have to go through is pointless and harsh but thats just how its always been
>>43766548agree with 1 and 2 but isn't liberalism an extension of Enlightenment philosophy? I don't think jews had this level of societal control back then, things weren't centralized enough yet
>>43764629I've always leaned left and still do very heavily, but I hesitate to use any one specific label other than maybe trans feminist for myself. If I had to name my ideals concisely I'd say social liberalism, economic collectivism and hard-line ecological preservation. I guess that would make me some sort of weird eco-marxist-liberal hybrid? Although I suppose some authoritarianism is necessary to realise all of that, especially economic collectivism and ecological preservation.
>>43764629I learned that my views aren't as important as my actions. Now that I'm part of the permanent underclass I'm no longer in position to make a difference. Before my transition I was an obnoxious turboleftist now im chilling
>>43769304>trans feministare you a transfeminist or just a feminist who happens to be trans?
i feel like i'm better able to see the white privilege that i still have, now that i no longer have cishet privilege. but as far as political action is concerned, i am a spiritual hobbesian ruled entirely by fear, and i do not wish to be sent to the rape gulag for v-coding
>>43764629I used to be a bleeding heart liberal that wanted everyone to be free, happy, cared for, and for the world to be a nicer place where people nurtured one another and worked together for the fully automated luxury gay space communism, Now I'm a hardcore Republican nationalist anti-lgbt fascist invested in Palantir and I want whatever makes the line go up even if that means bombing schools. Also support traditional family being the main cultural focus.
Why would being a tranny affect my views? What.
>>43769372>Why would being a tranny affect my views? What.because it leads you to realise what being a marginalised person is likeif you already knew what being a marginalised person is like, then it wouldn't.
>>43769337The latter. Trans women are women, therefore our struggle is an inherent part of the feminist struggle.
>>43769415I'm both.Fighting for trans rights should be included in "normal" feminism, yes, but transfeminism gives you a certain theory and lens that helps you better understand why things are the way they are.
feminism as it stands today is just women's flavor of being a fucking chudhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zGToXvvkKgA
I'm sick of it all. I've been through hell again and again, died and was reborn multiple times. And now, I want to shape my own destiny and walk my own path. So I work to free myself from the constraints of society and perception. I will be free. Free to be myself. Free to be who I want to be; to do what I want to do. To get out of life what I want, not what others think I should seek.Transitioning made me realize I don't owe anyone anything.
>>43769433That's fair. If you compare it to i.e. black feminism it's similar, the struggle of black women is structurally tied into that of white women but differs quite a bit with the added issue of racism, and the brand of misogyny they experience is also different from that of white women. I'll consider myself both, then.
>>43769962Yeah, exactly!I've recently seen some of the comparisons between transmisogyny and misogynoir and the experiences of black transgender women who experience both.
>>43764629I'm a bit of a separatist and supremacist, I'm tired of seeing me and my sisters being mistreated within and without the community like as if we were the most privileged of all trans people.
>>43770546>I'm a bit of a separatist and supremacist, I'm tired of seeing me and my sisters being mistreated within and without the community like as if we were the most privileged of all trans people.loyalty to cis woman allies over trans trenders any day lol
>>43767019goddess bless and grant us the power to make this real
>>43770546>as if we were the most privileged of all trans peopleUS/Canada white or asian tranny?
>>43770989brown latin merican tranny
