I often see LGBT people hating on straight cis men in particular. It makes me wonder how an FtM would feel about it. Don't they essentially imply that a straight trans man isn't a woman. Thus, making it transphobic?
>>43779322no. Cis men don't have the weight of being trans to carry. Yes ftm men are men, but they get less shit for being men because they're TRANS. big difference.One group is privileged (cis men), the other isn't (trans men).
>>43779322being trans cancels out the cissy buff usually thats kind of the entire thing
>>43779322>Don't they essentially imply that a straight trans man isn't a woman. Thus, making it transphobic?Please reread that.
>>43779403>>43779423So most LGBT still see trans men as women? Got it...
>>43779711I didn't say that retard. Your reading comprehension sucks.the keyword being 'trans' men. Trans women experience being a woman a little differently and Trans men experience being men differently, why? because we are TRANS. The TRANS and CIS experience is way different from one another.
>>43779738Okay but why do you claim this would make trans men less rapey? Why not also claim that trans women remain more rapey than cis women too?
>>43779322>It makes me wonder how an FtM would feel about itI've seen enough Tumblr posts talking about how they consider it discriminatory that afab allies will say "all men, but not my trans boys" therefore not considering them part of all men, so I don't think they approveand if a trans man is fine with that, given enough time I'm guessing they eventually will come to resent the idea of not being included in "all men">I often see LGBT people hating on straight cis men in particularthe patriarchy is the main villain in this story we're living through, and often dipshits translate "patriarchy" into, the cis men that interact with them, or they have some former learning that straight cis men are inherently threatening (like female socialization to protect themselves from rapists or predators, or maybe they've been abused)I'm talking about afab queers, cos I'm guessing when you say you see LGBT people hating straight cis men, I imagine you aren't thinking of the bears or the cis gay m4m types queers>>43779711kinda, when people talk about trans men online they're usually seen as a precious form of boyhood rather than being actual menbut this is people talking about them and for them, not them talking, kinda like how I don't see anyone in here with a poon flag>>43779403>>43779423L takes
>>43779738So they're not on par with cis males... And trannies aren't on par with cis females?You do realize terfs use the same logic to throw you outta the torlet.>Dont care she's a "woman" she grew up as a stinky MALE predator so erm AWAY WITH YOU>Don't care he's a "man" he grew up as a dainty loveable foid so erm BE WELCOME FREN
>>43779738I just experienced my childhood years as a heavily abused female who shares overwhelmingly most experiences with women from Christian nationalist upbringings, I have no idea what you are talking about.>>43779711I mean, if you asked me about transmen 20 or so years ago, when I started, I would have said no, they were men. But, now, working within trans support groups... no, the majority of AFABs are not men. There are a few, though, that are.One of them sits with me in the women's group occasionally. I asked him why, and he said it was because he could not be open with other people, because the FtM group has been taken over by non medical theyfabs who rant about toxic masculinity, and he couldn't exactly share his thoughts openly in the other groups either.He's kinda cute in a nerdy way. But he's got the male nerd traits.These are outliers.>>43779818>I've seen enough Tumblr posts talking about how they consider it discriminatory that afab allies will say "all men, but not my trans boys" therefore not considering them part of all men, so I don't think they approveYeah, my little pooner buddy would NOT be happy about that kind of language.
This is how the world sees trans men.
>>43779711please point out where that was said in the text
>>43779322nobody sees trans men as men. to these people man = threat. idk about you guys but ive never seen a threatening pooner
>>43779919Valid
>>43779946I do see trans men as fully men
>>43780089you dont matter
>>43779322It's pretty simple. CisHet men have their gender violently coerced by the Patriarchy. For all the bullshit FTMs do, I have never witnessed ONE exhibit toxic masculinity. Well, no, Buck Angel is like this. But most aren'tFrankly, toxic masculinity is the key. Trannies won't have it. Much less to protect.
>>43779738You know what would make you sound less confused?If transwomen and transmen just weren't a type of woman or man
>>43779322love how she says cis men specifically because she still wants that ftm poon
>>43780173Toxic masculinity is just an idea meant to justify group punishment of primarily young males for the crimes they've never had anything to do with and would never consider out of sheer human decency.Crimes against women are already dealt with by default due to the advanced justice system that we have in the west
>>43779738Then why are cishet women allowed? How does that make any sense.
>>43779322>It makes me wonder how an FtM would feel about it.I think it's funny because 99% end up getting fucked by cis men and wouldn't touch me sexually even if I paid them. Therefore I conclude that the cis men hate is a more elaborate form of straight flirting. If someone excludes trans men from the "hating", that's bad news and confirms that ftms are seen as bottom barrel
>>43779322Cishet women keep getting included in queer spaces like they arent a threat to queer people just like cishet men.
>>43780794>and wouldn't touch me sexually even if I paid themWhy is that senpai
>>43779322As a gayden why would I care about them?
>>43780815I just made that part up in my mind
>>43779322i hope all men get shot into the sun inside of a big cannon and that INCLUDES tboys. where do i claim my based & woke badge
>>43780385are you on hrt yet
>>43779322pooners need to get real shit to whine about this shit is exhausting
>>43779928It happens every time lol it's too predictable>a and b are different>so b isn't a letter?
>>43780944I highly doubt this was written by a dood
>>43780921Never
>>43780963yeah but every fucking thread on ftm dramas are like this. it's all the biggest whatevers imaginable compared to everything else
>>43780977your post is easily explained by moid hysteria and long term neurodegenerative effects of testosterone. i am shipping a comically oversized estrogen needle to your house to prescribe this affliction. YWABAW>signed and certified by Dr. Infinite Evil Woke
>>43779322thats a problem i have with the main stream lgbt community. they will treat trans men as half woman and biologically originating as a woman and will embrace them with open arms to the point where there are trans men who accept this bargain and still identify as lesbians and shit, where trans women will be seen as having originally been entirely ordinary cis men to be excluded from women's spaces. it's gross as hell and i hate it
>>43780979I think it's the same 3 people making threads at this point
>>43779818as always it all depends on context>L takesdid you know that black men are simultaneously men AND experience unique forms of oppression based on racedid you know that trans men are simultaneously men AND experience unique forms of oppression based on transnessetc.
>>43781047only correct answer
>cishet men and terfs dni>she | aro femme lesbian>anime pfp, steven universe bannerYou just know this person is either an absolute ogrehon or 16 year old lmao
>>43781026>>43779887>>43779818>>43779322what you say happens a lot, but this says cishet men. this doesnt exclude bi/straight men. fucking get a grip please wait until they say something that actually implies transphobia. not wanting to interact with cishets is reasonable and has nothing to do with transphobia. normally i'm the only bitch preaching about transphobia noone is willing to notice but get real. noones gonna think through whatever bullshit they put on their twitter page for 20 years normies arent that smart. >>43781047i think they're literally just 14 ngl. this board is so fucking dead, like 2/3 of these types of threads now give off maximal newfag energy>>4378105716 year old projecting
>>43781066>bi/straight menbi/gay men** mistake
>>43780977ywabaw
>>43780385>Toxic masculinity is just an idea meant to justify group punishment of primarily young males for the crimes they've never had anything to do with and would never consider out of sheer human decency.this part is true>Crimes against women are already dealt with by default due to the advanced justice system that we have in the westthis part is falsecollective blame against men is a strategy pursued by high status male predators in order to evade responsibility for their own actions, and it mostly works.
>>43779322it's just performative misandry that every leftist is expected to partake in now unfortunatelythey got psyopped into making working class hetero white men their primary enemy to keep the proletariat divided and weak
>>43779322>aro femme lesbianInsane how they always end up going for the same look, isn't it?
>>43781035the one time i joined a discord from here, there were a handful of chronically online loiterers who'd shitpost stuff like this, bait for reactions and gloat over how mad everyone wasit's so cringe>>43781066>i think they're literally just 14 ngl. this board is so fucking dead, like 2/3 of these types of threads now give off maximal newfag energyprollyi really miss this place pre-covid, don't get me wrong it was bad in it's own ways but there was actual meaningful discussion happening beyond the groomer/agp spam, like you felt like part of a community participating here
>>43781127I concur.High level people and certain flabours of crime get away by MOSTLY we're covered legally and yes it COULD and SHOULD be better but comparatively its not that bad.UK has got it rough with the pakistani rape gangs and shit tho.
>>43781066yea fairrrrrr. years of autism impaired sentiment decoding makes me over assumptive sometimes.
>>43781066>16 year old projectingYou are literally posting Chainslop Man you actual child
>>43781142You are very brave for joining literally any of the servers
>>43779322The double standard happens because no one actually thinks trans men are real men or that trans women are real women. They're just playing along because it's polite and/or because they want leftist political clout
>>43779919The question mark is there because he's thinking:>lmao wheres your dick bro??? how are you so tiny lol???
>>43779322Straggots ('cishet men') are the ultimate normies, that alone makes them easy to hate.>>43780944>>43780979I think it might be because pooners pass too easily (compared to MtF trannies) if they put in any effort and need to come up with some random shit to be upset about instead.They're not even getting bullied as much as they used to on this board.
>>43779403>cis men>privileged how am I privileged in any wayIm much MUCH less privileged than a woman, tranny, or blackskin.
>>43779322Yes, both because of what you say and because generally those kind of people instinctively despise me and assume I’m a chud 99.9% of the time.To be fair I am somewhat a chud, though much less than I used to be. I’m like a Thiel republican from before he went crazy.
>>43782315okay so you know how youve gotta pay rent and shityea everyone else has to do that too but its worse
>>43782330look at his flag, it's not just paying his rent, he also 'has to' pay for the rent of trannies who are smart enough to use him as their cash machine. chasers have it tuff, ngl
>>43782330No, its the opposite In college I didnt qualify for 90% of the scholarships because I wasn't a woman or black. The large majority or scholarships only they are allowed to apply.And im put at the bottom of any jobs I apply for. If a woman or blackskin has less qualifications than me they are put to the front. And thats not even getting into the gynocentric hypergamy social structure we live in now where the top 10% of men get the majority of women
>>43782372>And im put at the bottom of any jobs I apply forNo wonder, if I got a job application from a retarded incel schizo like you, I'd put it straight in the bin too. But it's not because you're a cis moid, it's because you're an insufferable fucking retard.
>>43782315>Im much MUCH less privileged than a woman, tranny, or blackskin.no you aren't.
>>43782420>>43782568Thanks for proving my point, feminist cunt.
>>43782315My guy, I've been declared a domestic terrorist and can't even get a passport. I was forced into sex work as a teen over 2 decades ago because no one would hire me. People *still* won't hire me if they know what I am. I have to lie to doctors in triage to get any level of medical care when I end up in urgent care or the ER.And even then, I have had absolutely the most insane shit, including industrial accidents, being blamed on me taking HRT.I did the math on my income vs my male peers, of whom I out rank in my field, and I make 46¢ for every dollar they do. I have to accept this because I cannot keep a job otherwise.Privilege is contextual, but holy shit, shut the fuck up.
>>43782841>i was forced into sex workNope. You did that shit because you’re a slut and wanted to fuck old men.
>>43782841>im a domestic terrorist >i whored myself out>"AHHHH WHY ARE OTHERS MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN ME!!!!"you're a fucking criminal. of course you'd be lower than lowyou're being disingenuous and you know it. The average White man is seen as much much less important than the average woman or darkskin. Women get to live by getting free shit everywhere they go and blacks get free college and bumped to the top on any job opportunities. Im just >ew just another cis white man...you know that but you purposely omit reality to bend to your disingenuous ideals you spread
>cishetBro this shit is easy too lmaoWah wahhhh wahhhhhhh ahahahaha
>>43782841Also slut, you know an easy solution, if you are a woman? You could just be a housewife and just do cooking and baking and gardening and shitThats what women have done for most of their time until feminism.Seems like a pretty easy gig
is the crazy manhaters peddling their privilege fanfic again lol
>>43782917How am I a criminal? I work in the MIC. The whole domestic terrorist thing is very new. It kicked a woman I knew out of the state department. You have any idea how hard it is to play the model minority??It used to be before 2012 that you being a transsexual would pop up on background checks. It was an instant never be hired.As soon as I found a way out of sex work, I grabbed on and clung. I do not want to go back to that shit. It's disgusting and degrading.Also, men treat themselves like trash and as disposable. I watched my boss reach into a pit of cutting oil today with a major open surgical wound on his arm, even after we all told him not to; and he keeps wondering why he keeps having to go back to the ER with a major bacterial infection. Men legit treat themselves and other men as disposable garbage, then wonder why they get treated like disposable garbage. It's fucking baffling.You do it to yourselves and to everyone else around you, and wonder why.
>>43782942It’s hilarious because I am a cishet chaser and I think I have faced more ostracism and bullying than many of these troons because Im a non attractive neurodivergent male with an average penis.Trannies at least get a community and can make friends with other troons. I think I have only one friend and society seems to hate me more than they hate tranniesI made a thread about getting bullied and about half of the trannies said they were never bullied. I was bullied all the time. Still bullied today. Hell I feel ive been bullied more today by my Uni lmao. I have NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVERWITNESSED A TRANNY GET BULLIED AT MY UNIVERSITY AND I LIVE IN A FUCKING RED STATE IN A CONSERVATIVE SMALL TOWN!! IVE SEEN TRANNIES WALK INTO THE WOMANS BATHROOM AND NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING TO THEM!! THE TRANNIES I SEE HAVE THESE FRIEND GROUPS AND ARE HAPPY ALL THE TIME? WHERES THE GENOCIDE? WHERES THE PATRIARCHY AND OPPRESSING? YOURE FUCKING FINE!!!! ALL THE SHIT YOU GET IT ONLINE YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!! These people arent treated like shit by society at all assuming they live in democrat states such as California and Oregon btwTheir oppression is in their head.They are just whiny faggots.
>>43782940Women worked in textiles, food processing, and repairs before feminism. There is a reason we ended up in factory jobs and still represent the majority within those respective fields within factory jobs.It was not an "easy" job. That is a 1950s propaganda piece from a brief flash in the pan, which absolutely did not model reality. Before that, that image of the easy housewife was limited to the wealthy and royal.
Im being generous. If you live in lets say eastern europe. Yes I can imagine being trans is hardBut you guys are Americans and Canadians. You are fucking fine!! The worst shit that happened to you was getting a new passport? OMG IMG I HAD TO GET A NEE PASSPORT IM LITERALLY OPPRESSEDYOURE A FUCKING WHINY BABY I FUXKINF WISH YOU KILLED YOURSELF BECAUSE YIU WOULD TAKE THE WORLD A FAVOR BY REMOVING YOUR COMPLAINING FUCKFACE OUT!!!JUST FUCKING DIE!!! KYS!!!!
>>43783072Hello feminiggerWomen worked way less hours than men and often times their hours were heavily restricted by the lawGo somewhere else with your propaganda, hole.
>>43783092That's more recent political revisionism, or ignoring the labor laws because women threw a fit. Instead of doing the same, men went, "hah, weak," all while complaining about the self imposed working conditions. You double dip.
>>43781023women are more prone to alzheimers specifically because of their endogenous estrogen productiontaking massive supra-physiological doses as a man would make the situation worse
>>43782372>In college I didnt qualify for 90% of the scholarships because I wasn't a woman or black.Maybe it's time to realize you're just more mediocre than the black women
>>43779322I don't think that implies trans men are women, ftm just don't have any history of consistent group degeneracy like cis men do. So they get excluded from most "man hate".
>>43779403Dw I will rape you just like how you think cis guys will T. Trans male
>>43779711This is why you don't tell anyone ur trans ever
>>43780173You people think male is the rapist gender, so dw, I will rape u
Why do you take what these people say seriously? There are trans women who marry men so they can't all hate us that much.
>>43784157It's a savage hypocrisy. Trans men can be conservative god fearing gun toting sexists but they're still going to understand the trans experience more than a cisgendered guy will. That's what it often means since cisgendered people often downplay what transgender people experienced growing up or are going through. It's tough to make any sort of connection with people like that. I'm not saying it's the case for everyone but its draining on a social level when you think you're making a connection but can't actually talk with them about trans stuff or things that effected you from being trans, whatever that might be.
>>43779322the kind of people that put this on their profile are never people i was very eager to interact with in the first place so i don't feel left out or offended. they're almost always well-meaning and even if they have subconscious biases against trans men they're clearly making an effort to be accommodating which i respect. i understand how and why it might upset some people and it did annoy me earlier in my transition but at this point after having experienced so much worse and becoming secure in my identity i just do not care about this kind of thing at all.
>>43786334Actual fucking trans dude, shit. Respectful sage to keep this shit down on the pages, though.
