what would finally put this trans shit to bed is if trans kids started using DIY HRT at a young ageif they do, this proves that trans is not a social behavior>inb4 trans kids do take DIY and when they do they get called "groomed"incorrect. because when first world countries banned marijuana or alcohol, speakeasies were created; people were taking it in privatebut when it comes to HRT, there isn't such phenomenon ...if it is so life-saving and so essential, why aren't trans kids utilizing their free will and running away from their parents en masse?I am very pro-DIY and am a tranny, but based on the fact that socially we haven't seen this phenomenon of trans kids doing DIY HRT like gangsters in prohibition or Chicago hoodlums in the 90s for weed, I don't think we can conclude that repression culture is working and suffocating these kids or that young trannies are stupid and weak or older trans people aren't explaining to trans kids enough that HRT can save your life, rather another uncomfortable truth may be revealed:what if all this transexuality shit is actually a cope?what if DIY or DIE isn't that prescient if naturally trans kids are not overdosing on E or T b/c of shitty parents, that these cases aren't popping up left and right?
>>43780884>why aren't trans kids utilizing their free will and running away from their parents en masse?run away where?? the street??>t. ranny that started diy at 18 after the bank account was set up
>>43780884When OTC HRT is an option trans kids literally do just start it as early as they can.
Kids are too retarded to research these subjects by themselves and even if they did research these subjects they're too retarded to not end up abused by some sub-human freak.The fix is to legalize that shit and give kids the HRT they need. There will be a few false positives, but who cares? It's the same shit for trannies that get fucked over by puberty. Except the former can stop at any point after they themselves start.Also, execute mothers with Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Just behead them.There you go, easy fix.
>>43780910they can run away to a shelter. to a friend's house. so many options. if you can't find housing in a 1st world country, its bc you suck and probably are a liability to others. I know many trannies who bunk at a friend's house.housing and bunking shouldn't be an issuegetting a job and a bank account is the real ish. that shit hard to do but if trannydom was so essential, why are trannies making the choice to be middle-class under parents' dependency but repressed and in the closet OVER being lower class destitutte but can take E as much as they want? the latter option being chosen 9/10 times would prove that it is DIY or Die.
>>43780884>but when it comes to HRT, there isn't such phenomenon ...You do realize before the creation of DIY sites many were using birth control? It's still a thing in less developed countries>if it is so life-saving and so essential, why aren't trans kids utilizing their free will and running away from their parents en masse?Before introduction of mass invigilation, they did do that, like their gay counterparts. You're underestimating just how hard it is for a kid to run away in modern society, with cameras and tracking everywhere.>socially we haven't seen this phenomenon of trans kids doing DIY HRTWe did, we even have cases spanning back to the 40s, I think Harry Benjamin wrote about it and it has its own wiki page, could try finding it again. Again, it's still a thing in Thailand, China, Brasil, etc, even in Euro countries with shitty healthcare systems DIY is very prevalent (for example either a third or two thirds of Dutchies are on DIY or have used DIY), although in this case they are late teens rather than early teens>I don't think we can conclude that repression culture is working and suffocating these kids or that young trannies are stupid and weak or older trans people aren't explaining to trans kids enough that HRT can save your life, rather another uncomfortable truth may be revealed:Young trannies are stupid (look at their spaces), Palantir is everywhere and you can't hide hrt changes as easily as you could back then.>what if DIY or DIE isn't that prescient if naturally trans kids are not overdosing on E or T b/c of shitty parents, that these cases aren't popping up left and right?It's prevalent to the point of shill media attempting to make pieces on it by sniffing around tranny spaces. Fortunately people started learning about opsec and not telling shit
>>43780911some of us repress lel
>>43780987Yes but it's much harder to repress when OTC is an option, both because it being an option makes it more socially acceptable as one and just overall accessibility.
>>43780960Unless your parents actively want to get rid of you, you're getting police at the place in two weeks tops. The average "gender critical parent" space prioritizes isolating and controlling every aspect of their children's life. Just look at PITT, Baywater, Mumsnet etc
>>43780985>started learning about opsec and not telling shit>young trannies are stupidlol, make it make sense!
>>43780911HRT should be OTC but 18+ and require ID
>>43781011I could see that as an argument but not if it is outright replacing OTC HRT accessible earlier on.
This was already a thing from like 1965-1990, kids would run away at 15-17 and be streetwalkers just to have the shittest existence as a woman and take whatever hrt they could get, sometimes getting raped by older hons in the process
>>43780960> if you can't find housing in a 1st world country, its bc you suckkeeping mouths fed costs money and unless you're friends with the local property owner's child good fucking luck lmao + parents will be getting the police on your ass>that shit hard to doyeah i don't think they'd hire 12 year olds at mcdonalds + bank accounts need parental consent/assistance for under 18s here so good luck with that too> why are trannies making the choice to be middle-class under parents' dependencyhave you TRIED jobhunting? what about without any prior experience? are you expecting young trannies to have a resume employers will salivate over?im calling it fed or out of touch boomer 50/50
>>43781037>parents will be getting police on your assif you are stealth, no. objectively I know many trannies who were underage who secretly bunked at a friend's house before they fled to some shelter. its entirely possible and has happened.>bank accounts need parent consentcrypto, you know the thing you need to buy DIY. ??? I think you're a fed because you don't even know crypto exists. if you don't know crypto exists, then you haven't done DIY. either you're a hondosed xitter pleb or a fed 50/50>have you TRIED job huntingyes I have. sex work and sucking dick to feel alive > middle-class repressor dependency. if you don't want to debase yourself, suck dick for your transition, then you're faketrans.you are faketrans. your opinion is irrelevant.
>>43781073you understand you typically need digital payment processors to even get crypto, right?
>>43780884This has been happening for a good while.Wasn't QHI closed a long time ago because underage people were ordering from there? I think I learned that site from here back in the day too lol
>>43781073>crypto>looks inside>no bank accountbit of an issue there >hypothetical trans teenager/kid with no income>looks inside>suggests sex workhm
>>43781089MFW the faketrans tranny ain't know about P2P
>>43781073I remember back in the day when you could buy diy with cash mailed in an envelope, something about doing that made me chuckle
>>43781098stay mad.
>>43781103>"If you just trade crypto you don't need digital payment"how do you propose getting the initial crypto to trade, dumbass?
>>43781124I know many trannies who sucked dick of some bitcoin motherfuckers. bitcoin can be gifted to you, this is very popular in the gaming space, exchange your dollars for bitcoin, exchange your labor for bitcoin, get paid in bitcoin. this is not a hard concept to grasp.
>>43781114thank you for conceding the argument, glad we had a constructive conversation ^^
>>43781124You can buy crypto with cash if you can accept atrocious spread
>>43781145???your point is barely coherent???crypto //=// bank accountmany trannies do sex work if no incomeyou were logically destroyed as faketransif you won't suck dick to transition, you are as faketrans as them tiktok poonscry about it.
>>43781139you genuinely overestimate just how common knowledge of any of this stuff is
>>43781180I can google all of this. Anything that is googled is common knowledge. All of this is common knowledge.
>>43781159>trannies are when prostitution
>>43781190if you can be guranteed all surgeries, HRT, etc. BUT you need to fling yourself into a moving car: would you do it yes or no?I say yes and trannies ova here saying its "actually no" and that I'm saying car crashing is trannydom. anyone who disagrees with me is faketrans. you should and will do anything for transitioning if you are truetrans.
>>43781187>assumes everyone grew up with readily available, unmonitored internet access and already has a very specific outcome and goal in mind
>>43781210the whole issue is that for most people growing up, there is *no guarantee*trannydom was basically one of those fake clickbait ads growing up"these pills will make you into a woman," logically, without the information available today, sounded like a complete farce
>>43781215>assumes NO-ONE grew up with readily available, unmonitored internet access even though that is the norm and majority>assumes being trans does not require having a specific outcome and goal in mindWhen you seethe, the faketrans really pores out :)
>>43780884being honest is accepting there's an agenda at play that we're powerless to stop, nothing you do can change thatbe honest, how new are you?
>>43781225yes there is a guarantee. maybe to you it didn't, but to most, we got the picture. and getting the picture early on is a sign of truetrans.
>>43781228only one of us is making unilateral statementsacknowledging that people don't grow up in identical material circumstances is the only sane train of thought
>>43781244genuine moronthe only trannies most people ever saw were hons, not women, and that's assuming that what was presented was even believable
>>43781247the only sane train of thought is that you are a faketrans GAY bottom and your opinion is irrelevant. you started it with the unilateral statements.
>>43781247im sorry snoymoder i think you're arguing with either an llm or a meaniehead
>>43781263if I can google how to become a woman, and I can get hugboxed tranny reddits that speak well of the power of transitioning - is that honshit that'll repress me further or will actually make me aware of E? if you rep from knowing about the positive effects of estrogen, then you are faketrans. trvkes only allowed, sorry, go back.
>>43781268I am not an LLM or a meaniehead. I am trvkemoder.
>>43781268just an idiot with no theory of mind, probably>>43781279you are aware that there are generations of trannies older than you that grew up before these resources even existed? How old are you, anyways? You sound 20.
>>43781321you moved the goalposts faketransmoder. now we're talking about a subset of over-20? pfffttt. yeah, that suits your argument? I'm taking about trans kids you faketrans moron. cope and seethe elsewhere.
>>43781375>"Moving goalposts"have you considered that for most of thus I was writing in the past tense, talking about the material conditions of people growing up, implying a reference to the past?you are genuinely stupidno wonder your arguments are dogmatic and nonsensicalyou're illiterate
>>43781237what kind of agendas are we thinkin here schizofam? i too feel like there's a lot of inorganic and sus activities around this subject and have been for a while
>>43781415you're*anyway, yes or no: would you or would you not suck dick to transition PERFECTLY? I'm giving you a second chance to take back your faketrans label since you already conceded this argument lol
>>43781375is your point that trans kids should be out sucking dick?
>>43781435>tries to correct grammar>actually makes it incorrect and ignores the actual typo in my commentnot beating the illiteracy allegations btwabsolutely I would suck dick to transition perfectlyThe entire issue is that growing up "transition perfectly" seemed to be a complete myth because the only non-fictional examples I saw that even resembled transition growing up were sissyboomerhon crossies
>>43780884>mfw i got on AAs at 14 in 2012 sourced from roidbros and drug dealersit does happen, anon. it's just that we dont talk about it
>>43781073>yes I have. sex work and sucking dick to feel alive > middle-class repressor dependency.funny how all youngshits openly brag about having underaged sex in exchange for money yet I'm supposedly the optics nuke because I waited until I had my own income to transition.
>>43781481you edited your post because being a part of the 4chan nametag elite allows you to do so. your seething behavior is leakinganywho, ok you just DOUBLY conceded your argument as you successfully moved the goalposts to agree with my origial pointand no, this distraction point that growing up to transition perfectly was a seeming myth is not true because if so NO-ONE would transition. but as a surprise to you, a faketrans bitch, there were trannies back then who did it despite the le myth you talk about. le myth exists or it doesn't, no evidence that it exists because only faketrans fell for it and whine about it, whereas truetrans did not fall for le myth because le myth DOES NOT EXISTstill laughing at the fact that you edited your post just to seethe harder. very sad things faketrans mofos do ...
>>43780884>speakeasies = kids organizing mutual hrtsure uh huh yeah and your blood is basically pudding
>>43781576Namefagging doesn't let you edit postsDoes tripfagging let you do that?Holy shit you are so retardedIf the only exposure to trans people someone has growing up is sissyboomerhons who don't pass and has no knowledge of HRT or HRT actually working then of course transition, as I'm actually becoming a woman and not a man in a dress, seems like a mythgo study for your algebra I test
>>43781644*as in actually becoming a woman
>>43781644mmmmyou can tell someone is coping and seething and LOSING an argument when they take a long while to respond but the other side takes quick and decisive logical blowsanyway, what you bring up as sissyboomerhons repping people is a hyper-specific example that doesn't rep people because the only people that are scared of transitioning due to sissyboomerhons are faketrans. you said yourself, you would suck dick to transition fully SO THEN HOW DO SISSYBOOMERHONS stop you ...You engaged in ad hominems, insulted by intelligence, whined, edited the record and did other crybaby shit to fumble out a tumbleweed of an argument.you failed. you lost. do you need a bib and a bottle you wittle baby :D
>>43781700>"quick, decisive blows">is the one who takes longer to respond>complains about ad hominems while being the one who fired the first insultwhen the only examples of trannies someone sees are sissyboomerhons, then the logical belief from that transitioning into an actual woman is not possiblethis concept is not difficult to grasp but somehow you fail to understand it
>>43781764you fail to understand, faketransmoder, that what I'm saying is that sissyboomerhons is a fabricated made up reality. no, a person does not see only sissyboomerhons as le trans people. they can and do see the effects of hormones, HRT. this is all clearly visible on the netdo math as well. you take 5 minutes to respond because you need to wipe your tears and mucus and shit. I take shorter. you go back and take alegebra you bitch!this is not a difficult concept to grasp yet you keep ignoring the substance of what I'm saying and strawmanning me because you hate me that I called you out lol. make the apology as loud as your disrespect towards me.
>>43781807you literally don't seem to be able to read or understand the idea that some people's ONLY EXPOSURE to trans people, at all, were sissyboomerhonsAgain, when the only trans women someone sees are sissyboomerhons, then the logical outcome of that perception is the belief that transitioning into anything other than a sissyboomerhon is not possibleIt is only when someone is presented with a successful transition that they would finally have evidence of successful transition being possible
>>43781858know a girl that repped for ages after being exposed to too many "triggered 'it's maam' tranny compilation #5342" so this is trvth sadly
>>43781858and YOU literally don't see to be able to read or understand that EVERYONE on the internet is able to be presented with a successful transition and evidence of a successful transition being possible.Everything else you say is just strawmanning my position you decided to attach from your moved goalposts. And yes you moved them again,we've gone from everyone only sees sissyboomerhons are their exposure to trans ppl and rep to now saying "some people"ridculous cope and seethe DISMANTLED under 5 minutes. moron.
>>43781885the other anon seems genuinely incapable of understanding that until relatively recently, 99% of trannies people saw were hons so, as a result, most people believed that successful, passing transition was not possible there are still people today who believe that, too"we can always tell" and that jazz
When I was 9 my parents sat me down and said sweetie would you like to be a girl instead and I said YAAAS QWEEN! and they said okay let's go to the sex change lab get in the car and while we were in the lobby I saw this older trans person and alarm bells went off in my head, I panicked and said this person's cranial vault is so large, their shoulders are probably 19.5" diacromatic! Ew! This is not kawaii! This is NOT my anime and so gross EW! Mom, dad, let's go home I changed my mind i don't wanna be a fucking TROON ew and I vomitted all over the car the entire way home. Then I rotted in my bed crying for 15 years. Then I saw this picture of a tgirl who really did look like anime and she was 4'10" and so hot like a little anime kid haha then I was like oh troon is okay then (after I fapped) then I finally trooned.
>>43781936mmmm no starwmanning my point again and just ignoring lol. never said that. you're just mad I called you out for being rightfully faketrans lol.you're the one denying that most people somehow only see hons and sissyboomerhons and that's how most see trans reality. if you don't research, yesdo most people don't research? yesbut, if you're trans, you research because you are truetransif you don't research, then you are faketrans regardless if its the 80s or the 2030s. mfers transitioned. just because you didn't means you're faketrans. that's all pussy!
>>43781905where did I saw everyone only sees sissyboomerhonswheremy entire point is that many people only ever saw sissyboomerhons, not that everyone did, and that of those people they would logically conclude that transition would only ever lead to the situation sissyboomerhon outcomeatp I'm convinced you have some kind of brain damage because there's literally no way any thinking human being who isn't missing part of their frontal lobe could fail to understand what has been said so far
>>43781962keep strawmanning dumbfuck! not even using correct grammarwho's illiterate now?you're fucking illiterateapologize.
>>43781961you are a genuinely retarded individual who is probably still in remedial classes for high school
>>43781985there is no strawman in that commentdo you know what a strawman is?lobotomite
>>43781988you are a middle schooler goo goo gaa gaa baby.
>>43781999>my entire point is that many people only ever saw sissyboomerhons, not that everyone did, and that of those people they would logically conclude that transition would only ever lead to the situation sissyboomerhon outcome>>43781999this does not contradict my point and the insistence that it does contradict my point is strawmanning what I said because you moved the goalpostscope and seeth elsewhere faketrans nimrod
>>43782003in middle school I was more intelligent and more coherent than you are now
>>43782025you went to middle school a year ago, right?
>>43782032>>43782020not gonna bother with someone so clearly incapable of reason anymore
>>43782056conceded and failedglad to see you admitted you were wrongyou are faketrans, the resources to transition are available, if you don't take the leap, you are faketrans, le myth of getting scared of sissyboomerhons is not an actual deterrent, only deters faketrans, truetrans transitions no matter what
