>>43782488
yes
but also having "fake" dysphoria doesn't really matter if you pass

>>43782517
obv i dont pass

>>43782488
iirc icd-10 had 2 separate diagnoses for gd:
- gd before puberty
- gd that persists at and after start of puberty

former being treated as "wait and see, kids are retards lmao"
latter, in the less retarded places, being treated as "ruh roh, if they got the gd before or once they body started actually differentiating beyond the gender rolls society puts on em, shits prolly serious, get them on the big gay juice"

>>43782488
If you've had dysphoria since puberty/early adolescense you might've just repped.
I grew up in an evangelical household and gender roles were enforced with the threat of hell, I don't think I could've handled being consciously aware of it at that age. I did feel sad a lot but didn't know why. I know it's genuinely possible to repress feelings like that because I repressed my disbelief in god in the same way I did my transness, just not for as long.
Feeling like you can never be 100% sure that your identity is innate to you sucks but the more I look back the more I remember. If you want to transition but you haven't because you feel like you're not trans enough, just do it.
I mean fuck, if can people manage to repress being gay for 40 years than surely repressing your dysphoria isn't out of the question.

>>43782865
i thought i was remembering things too but atp i'm not sure if i made all that shit up or was exaggerating completely normal stuff, either way it didnt work and now its too late

>>43782488
thats normal tho
i was effeminate from my toddler years onwards but never experienced GD until my early teens

>>43782992
i was a pussy growing up but i dont think i was effeminate, no point asking my mom since she would lie anyway

I experienced dysphoria in childhood prepuberty but am called faketrans anyways

>>43782488
I only had mild disassociating problems problems pre-puberty and then got majorly depressed around 11-12. I don't think you need to have the classic youngshit story to be real tbdesu

>>43782488
A lot of times you just can really quantify it until later in life due to whatever reason. I had dysphoria with intersex characteristics and behaviors when I was little but the resources weren't there for me and I was already classified as a male so it was never an option. It's also the same reasons why those who are androgynous from their genetics aren't always transgendered since they don't experience dysphoria and the idea of transitioning into something more cisgendered presenting other than their birth sex makes them repulsed. It's something that's as per an individual basis where we have to conclude and proceed ourselves with informed consent if transitioning is for the person. Some people just be chasing unicorns for their own sexual gratifications and don't actually care.

>>43782985
If that feels as crushing to you as it would for me then it's not too late. It's possible that it's too late to pass as completely cis, but if you truly feel like you'd be happier and more authentically yourself as a woman then there are ways.

>>43783131
The biggest disillusion for me within some trans spaces is the socially acceptable doublespeak of passing when in reality it means attractive or what someone's preference is. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be some level of effort to present as more masculine or feminine if that's how they want to present. Not pronouns but present. However there's also cisgendered people who don't pass by those standards and that goalpost will always be moved by transphobes. It's all easily weaponized hypocrisy for whatever reason and everyone is fucking crazy including myself.

>>43783337
Yes, sadly we as trans women also have to deal with misogyny, even more so. It is really disheartening that even in the trans community it seems we have to be sexually desirable to receive basic human respect, but cis women have to deal with that too.
Passing/non-passing as cis is what really makes a difference as far as being able to actually assimilate and live a normal life.

>>43783783
trans women do not experience more misogyny than cis women ,come on now

>>43782488

not necessarily. it's entirely possible and even common for you to not realise you have dysphoria, for you to feel jealous of girls and go looking for explanations and to arrive at the wrong one, to dissociate from your body when it starts developing traits you don't identify with, and to only realise later that it was dysphoria all along.

>>43783843
trans women experience misogyny and transmisogyny, so, in total, trans women do experience more misogyny.

>>43783783
to add on, I will say that I'm clocky but twinkhon-y and present fem and have been working on my voice and men generally treat me nicely, while cis women are more likely to deathstare me or act bitchy. I'd imagine it'd be closer to the other way around if I was ugly but passed.

>>43783954

I don't pass and most cis women have been nice to me.

>>43783783
Do any of us really live a normal life even if good at hiding skeletons in the closet? Is it a normal life to attack and discriminate other trans individuals over what is ultimately superficial reasons? Maybe it is. Everyone already does it for every other reason. Maybe that's a normal life some of us don't want to live and that makes people like me the outsiders, freaks and, easy targets. It doesn't change the fact there will still be those normal people who classify gender by certain criterias and will never accept them as normal. I'm too compassionate to use it to dunk on others even when they've hurt me. Is that arrogance and a cope? Sure. But I'd rather die by the cope than live by the hate. I'll suffer and be the fool through it all and feel never me made fo feel lesser than anyone else who achieves their goals through their own means. It doesn't make me better. It makes us all the same and that's what they're most repulsed by.

>>43783843
Maybe we don't have as much accrued misogyny over our lifetimes, just by nature of us not living as women for as long, but otherwise I'm not sure why you think that. Have you even socially transitioned? Trans women get harassed by men just as much as cis women, only half the time these men see as as nothing more than a fetishized experience for them to live out their porn-addled fantasies, and as such treat us with even less respect. We sure as hell get patronized like cis women too.

>>43784111
i will never pass so theres no point in me transitioning, socially or physically. i am an ogre, and the world is better with me locked away in my room for the rest of my (hopefully very short) life

>>43782488
No this is just the typical presentation for AGP transsexualism. Autogynephilic gender dysphoria typically first manifests or gets noticeably worse during puberty.

>>43784180
agp means fake

>>43783988
I mean yeah most people are nice to me but when someone is nasty more often than not it's a cis woman. Kinda hurts desu.

>>43784194
Maybe to people who haven't read Blanchard.

>>43784170
Half-life 3 release when?

>>43784170

nona, be kind to yourself. prioritise your own happiness over what other people think

>>43784194

no it doesn't, retard. stop getting your information from transphobic panflets and go read Blanchard's actual theory.

>>43784262
What if what they think is creating a world that is specifically tailored to making it as hostile as possible toward me where any happiness makes the fall hurt that much more to keep me in a constant state of torment and misery until my death.

>>43784224
>>43784262
you're not going to trick anyone into actually reading that shit. he suggested agp not be allowed to transition, what could constitute fake more than that

>>43782488
No lol what would I even have to be dysphoric about as a kid? Titties? My fat ass? If you don't have bottom dysphoria you probably didn't become dysphoric until puberty.

>>43784330
> he suggested agp not be allowed to transition,

factually untrue. blanchard's major contribution was that, unlike previous categories of "primary transsexuals" and "secondary transsexuals" where only the ones that liked men would be allowed to transition, he thought both should.
seriously, just go read the actual thing.

>>43784330
>he suggested agp not be allowed to transition
He literally said the opposite. The whole reason AGP was developed as a theory was to understand why seemingly straight men wanted to transition, and allow people who didn't fit the typical HSTS presentation to get SRS.

>>43782488
>OMG PLEASE VALIDATE ME
do it or don't but STFU who cares anymore

>>43784170
Surgeries exist. If you devote your life to getting them there's a high chance you could have a body you feel comfortable and authentically yourself in within a decade. And living as a clocky trans woman in the meantime *is* hard but I'm still being myself, I still get gendered correctly 95% of the time, nobody's given me shit for using the women's room and most of all I have a genuine desire to live and keep going.

>>43784699
>within a decade
i am 28 years old

>>43784928
Peaking in your 40s is based

>>43782488
there's 3 main sources of dysphoria:
- primary sex characteristics (genitals)
- secondary sex characteristics (effects of T and E)
- social dysphoria (pronouns and gender roles and shit)
the prior 2 are sex dysphoria, the last is gender dysphoria.
people with primary sex dysphoria usually create youngshits who are gifa bottom dysphoric. secondary sex dysphoria usually manifests in adulthood and is less preoccupied with genitals.l and way more with undoing puberty.
social dysphoria can occur at any age but usually snaps late in adulthood and creates gigahons because society forces repoing on people who only have social dysphoria.

>>43786443
Primary sex characteristics also include breasts as much as breasts have been normalized as something non sexual within society. I have top dysphoria but not bottom dysphoria

my egg didnt crack til i was 23 in 2021 LOL im fucking worthless fucking retarded neet the computer made me think i wanted to be a girl i wish i was dead the world would be better off without me LOLOLOL

>>43788226
goofball

>>43784111
that's just a cope hons invented to affirm their supposed "feminity". "oh this man is being hateful towards me i'm experiencing mysogyny right now, because i'm a woman!" even though the person sees the tranny as a man. mysogyny is systemic, non-cispassing trannies (overwhelming majority) aren't affected by it.

>>43782488
Watch my videos to relax
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>>43786969
no nona, they are secondary sex characteristics, and "sex" here doesn't refer to the activity, it refers to the two developmental pathways
they re "secondary" because they develop during puberty
genitals are "primary" because they develop when you're a fetus
if you are born with a penis but go on estrogen before puberty, you will only develop female secondary sex characteristics, including breasts.

>>43788307
even feminine gay men are affected by misogyny. homophobia and transphobia are forms of misogyny. you should familiarise yourself with the transfeminist position (whether it results in you agreeing or disagreeing) and stop talking about this topic until you do.

>>43790308
You're correct in a certain regard however there is also a huge difference between medical definition and social definitions. A lot of what people consider secondary characteristics are still treated as primary. People can either say that's wrong, usually those who have no formal training or understand do no harm, or that traditional sex and gender is something that needs to change into something less rigid outside of aiding in medical care, like most actual professionals are currently doing. Anything else is just a belief rather than the reality of the actual world we live in or the millions of years of evolution that predates their idiotic understanding of the human condition and psyche. Exactly the sorts of things transphobes, trans or not, use to find their confirmation bias. An attraction based upon a sexual characteristic and the subconscious desire to defend that attraction, purposely or not, is usually going to be found much more prominently throughout cisgendered hetero indivials since they are the majority. Often not because of an understanding of what's really natural but manipulated social dynamics and belief systems that contradict what is natural. It's all very complex that crosses into many different fields of study and why it's also so easy for those with an agenda to utilize since most people are not scholars or have the time and energy to think of such things unlike those who question our very nature, such as those who sit outside of the majority. That's what makes people like that dangerous and the enemy to not nature, but a fake order of things often used to consolidate wealth and power.

>>43790903
I think you have some good insights and you raise a lot of interesting points, nona.
I don't think the existing medical categorisations of "primary sex characteristics" and "secondary sex characteristics" should be misused to refer to "most important traits in perceiving another individual's gender", though. We use secondary sex characteristics and they are important to attraction and that's ok.

>>43791558
It's all very difficult to fruitfully navigate in regards to genital dysphoria and gender dysphoria and can inadvertently lead to heated debates and hurt feelings. My views don't make me any less supportive, attracted, or sexually attracted to those who seek affirming care or the bits they align with most, but sometimes their own attraction comes from my views themself because ultimately we're all looking for connection. Especially in friends and lovers. And for some genitals do equal gender, trans or not, no if ands or buts. Maximizing sexual prospects with others is not my goal but it's simply an observation of how some people act and I'm allowed to have boundaries of how other people treat me. I wish it was simple to where trans women are women and trans men are men regardless, but people are more complex than that and not everyone is going to be compatible due to their own reasons be it with me, others, or truthfully to a psychologist to why they lash out at others that led to antisocial personality disorders. No would they necessarily want to overcome it and that's their right as a person just as much as I have a right to not interact with them.

The way I think of it is that I was fine being a boy, but I didn't want to grow into a man.

>>43791907
Nona I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
You do have a right to not interact with transphobes, that's completely correct, if that's what you mean.

>>43791936
Transgendered individuals can still be transphobic toward others and themselves. I don't mean those who are repressed cisgendered but those who have transitioned and want everyone to be exactly the same as them to not be deemed as fake trans or third gendered. I'm compassionate toward how their dysphoria can manifest in behavioral traits, but I don't have to accept prejudiced treatment toward myself or others. There's already enough people who do that as it is.

>>43791928
same but idk why that makes me feel shame

>>43792000
Yup, absolutely correct, nona.

>>43791928
There's a difference between being fine and disassociating to cope with it. I'm not saying that was the case for you, but it was for me since I actively expressed actually being a girl from a very young age and got punished by the school system for it. I don't think that puts me above anyone else or they should feel less about themselves. It's just my own experiences that might help others reconcile with the trauma of birth gender roles forced upon them.