>>43785291
Can you elaborate more about the differences in their psychosexual motivations please?

HSTS are gay men, not women.

>>43785589
i know not one that doesn't act like a faggot

>>43785466
Well we understand agp's better they have a desire to be the opposite sex, it may be motivated life sexual attraction, or maybe motivated by something else. The point is they are motivated internally by a desire to be in a different body, a female body

Hsts are feminine gay men. They transition believe living as women will increase their chances or having an romantic relations with a straight man or a gay man who understands them better. It's a lie saying that they're only attracted to straight men, they are attracted to gay men who are masculine looking. They are far less committed to being women and are less concerned about being like women

>>43785589
And AGPs are just crossdressing men

>>43785629
it's more shameful to deny being gay than to crossdress for sexual reasons

>>43785643
I'll have to agree. Back in the 1950s and 60s it was common for males to not want to be gay. Young males who were feminine in childhood were more likely to be seen as transsexual if they turned out to be gay

>>43785681
homophobia didn't magically vanish
homophobia is as strong as ever, and directly motivates all HSTS transition

>>43785643
The only tranny I know calls herself a faggot

>>43785691
I agree to an extent. Most feminine gay boys today were more likely to learn how to navigate their sexuality, rather than transition today

>>43785692
This would be a prime example of AGP. Can you figure out why?

>>43785736
no, people still treat boys attracted to boys as having a taboo sexuality and you will get called a pedo for even suggesting they exist

>>43785882
It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to me. Most gay boys enjoy being feminine on their younger grow out of it by the time they're in their twenties. It's really old fashioned when they transition

>>43785932
the idea of encouraging gay boys to date or be intimate with one another provokes intense hostility
most people believe gay boys are choosing to be that way, esp. if they claim to know they are gay before puberty
gays are still quietly expected to repress and date the opposite sex to BREED

>>43785951
No they don't you're coming from a different part of the country or a different country altogether. Gay boys are accepted and power is a very well where I lived and nobody wants to be women except for the few shoes could be because they can't relate to being gay

>>43785800
No, I don't actually know much about trannies I just think they're hot. Why is my friend an AGP?

>>43785951
I'm going to give up posting here until I get a different text editor. This one makes one mistake after the other and it looks like I can't even write

>>43785614
Goddamn, how can you say this shit with a straight face?

>>43785978
Because getting sexy excited about me and a sissy or a fagot is a humiliating fetish sensation not a gay male sexuality

>>43785986
Notice how you don't say anything about my post just criticize it. You make no effort to analyze it or criticize it from a point of view or anyone knows what your criticizing

>>43786009
You mean critique the straight assertions you're making? You're spewing bullshit with no backing into the void, what is there to analyze?

>>43785998
But her gender dysphoria (arguably) predates her sexuality, some shit she told me from her childhood I was like well that's not something that crosses the mind of a normal boy. Shit like being jelly of girls, wanting to wear a dress, fear of growing and masculinising. I make sure never tell her what to be because I know if she can detransition and live a normal life it will be a lot happier and easier for her but any time I talk to her I'm very aware I'm talking to a woman even though she doesn't look like one.

>>43786033
Exactly what do you just like about what I'm saying? You disagree with my ideas about homosexual people being transsexual? You disagree with my ideas about heterosexual men being transgender?

>>43786064
Does she respond at all positively about you telling her she doesn't have to transition and she could lose a gay man? Are you saying you would be her boyfriend if she didn't transition into this a gay man? These are all questions which indicate what type she is

>>43786082
Again, what the fuck is there to analyze? Also this is the first you've brought up trying to separate transgender and "transexual"

>>43786064
awww that's so sweet anon, I'm glad she has a friend like you :>

>>43786091
I meant she could live as a gay man. I'm having trouble voice to text translator

>>43786096
You refuse to analyze anything. Just leave this thread. You're just being annoying you're not trying to work out anything with her you're just here to troll

>>43786111
You haven't given any backing to analyze. What, me saying that what you have has no backing for the third time in a row doesn't count as analysis?

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>>43786119
fuck it I need a new translator voice to text translator on different device

>>43786142
Also fuck you for telling me to leave when you went out of your way to put my name into the first post of a thread.

>>43786064
Gender dysphoria is separate from AGP according to Blanchard himself

>>43786091
Yeah she's considered being a gay man on HRT and just tanking the dysphoria as she put it, but I'm pretty sure she's tried to kill herself a couple times and I tell her that if she's not going to transition she should get pro help with the dysphoria because I don't want her to KYS. I genuinely think the world is a better place for having her.
I like her personality a lot but no, she's a lot younger than me and looks like a guy, I'm not physically attracted to her.

>>43786082
HSTS rarely get surgery and are prone to detransition

>>43786162
Why not be a gay man without taking hrt?

>>43786172
She's had issues with masculinising or whatever it's called, and her height, and her dick, pretty much since she was a kid as far as I'm aware. I think she's a female soul in a male body, but I tend not to explicitly tell her because if I'm wrong I don't want her to wreck her life, trannies suffer a lot. But I don't think God makes mistakes, I think whatever she is going through there is some kind of purpose to it, she's definitely made me break ranks with politics to reach out in compassion for her, so she's already doing divine works of a kind.

>>43786235
>break ranks with politics
wait, you're voting against your friend's rights? :(

>>43786235
well yeah cuz being gay and having a dick means most of the guys you are interested in will reject you for not being feminine enough
being trans is not meaningfully different from being gay with severe, OCD-style internalized homophobia ruminations

I get it, I grew up a flamer. People hate us. Mass castration won't fix the problem or make people truly like us, just be fake nice to us for icky reasons.

>>43786249
Fuck no I would never vote conservative just because they share my end of the political spectrum. I never had a problem with LGBT but instead of being indifferent standing by and doing nothing, I now argue with my friends for why there is room in nationalism for LGBT people and why the most christ like thing to do is to give them support and compassion instead of bullying them, trying to browbeat them out of something they never asked to be in the first place, or trying to outlaw them. I don't really want to make this about me or my views and I already know how most of you think of nationalistic white men, I don't give a fuck, let's move on.

>>43786292
I don't really get what you are saying and it's not my place to encourage her to be either here or there. Only she knows what is inside her. I just tell her to live uncompromisingly authentic to herself, I think that's fair.

>>43786313
>I would never vote conservative
>I never had a problem with LGBT
>I now argue with my friends
>give them support and compassion
holy shit you're incredibly based, I'm doubling down, no, quadrupling down on what I said
>>43786100
> awww that's so sweet anon, I'm glad she has a friend like you :>

> I already know how most of you think of nationalistic white men
I can't speak for my leftist sisters but it doesn't change my opinion. I used to be a nationalist too, so I don't think necessarily think less of you for it.

I'm really glad our sister has a precious friend like you. ˆˆ

>>43786360
If you don't actively encourage people to be openly gay they will go insane and chop their balls off or marry women.
Gay boys are not really told who they are is acceptable and supported as what they really are. They are just ignored or worse bullied by their peers and own families.

Here are some major AGP traits.

> I have such a masculine body I'll never look like a woman I have to kill myself
> I don't see myself as a woman I just wish I was a woman.
> why does an HRT make me more female looking, it must be fake
> you don't look female no man can ever look female
> I'm a trans woman but because I don't look like a real woman I need to dress like a boy and boymode

>>43786397
Thanks, I appreciate your kind words.

>>43786625
Those are trans traits, not agp traits. You may not realize this, but agp isn't actually real.

>>43786170
Yes you are right! One of the few people here who understands it. Many of them who would have transitioned 30 years ago don't today cuz I can live openly as feminine gay men

>>43786794
Nope those are AGP traits.
Most trans women who transition in the '90s or earlier did so because they didn't want to live as gay men.

AGP'S will desire to transition even if they think they were so masculine looking, they couldn't ever be women. That's totally an AGP issue

>>43785291
Are you the infamous youngshits are better poster

>>43786096
don't let the gayGP's performative acting get to you Carina
>>43786142
>larping as an hsts caricature so hard that you become too retarded to type

>>43787305
I don't use the typewriter.

>>43786170
Prone to detransition which in reality looks like them still taking E, and everyone calling them a woman anyway lol.

>>43787065
Yeah, I'm surprised nobody realized it. Must newfags here.
I enjoyed those threads. People would respond so often, it would go up to 300, or more

>>43785614
>less concerned about being like women
They don't have to be concerned because they're already terminally womanbrained.

>>43787305
"Agp" is too potent a brainworm to be left alone.

>>43787362
I agree we were like this, but what really motivates us to be women? We're not sexy attracted to their bodies, so why would we want to be women? Can you answer this question.

>>43787379
>what really motivates us to be women?
Gender dysphoria

>>43787365
AGP is real but it's not bad, and all the people you're arguing with are also AGP

>>43787504
It's not

>>43787342
That's sadly not true ;;

>>43787342
That's sadly not true ;;>>43787362
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>>43787555
>>43787569
>fishing for attention
WOMAN

>>43787445
Yo

Any man who wants to be a woman and doesn't look like a woman, is fucking AGP

>>43787642
That's not how it works. Agp doesn't mean anything beyond "trans women I don't like".

>>43787753
No, you you just don't understand. they do have meanings and they do help they do
help to understand one's motivations and considerations. Knowing your AGP means you probably will transition. Knowing your hsts means you can choose not to transition and that's the biggest difference

>>43785291
Youngshits are hsts
heard it before

>>43787958
>they do help they do
They do not.

>help to understand one's motivations and considerations
No, all they do is allow you to assign traits based on your own biases. There is no agp and no hsts. Sexuality has NO relation to transition motivations.

>>43789981 they do they do

>>43789981
>Sexuality has NO relation to transition motivations.

Most transgender women are honest will disagree. We are motivated by our sexual orientation.

>>43792338

I don't know about you but I was motivated by my dysphoria giving me depression and anxiety, not because I wanted to jerk off, but ok

>>43792367
I understand. Some of us were motivated by our sexual feelings. I've gotten turned on by crossdressing since puberty. Why should I lie saying my transition wasn't sexual?

>>43792389
Something existing and something being the motivation behind your transition are different things.
I wanted to wear girls' clothes before I even developed a sexuality, long before puberty. After puberty, I sometimes got feelings like that, yes, but they weren't what motivated me to transition. I tried to just not think about it. The depression and anxiety I got from having to exist in the physical space with male secondary sex characteristics and in the social space as a masculine person, which eventually I just stopped being able to repress and dissociate to cope with, were.
Are you actually saying you just transitioned to make your peepee hard?

>>43792437
>you actually saying you just transitioned to make your peepee hard?

No not exactly, but in the final few months before I transitioned, I was tying my dick in balls up with nylons, until they turned black.
I was afraid I'd end up having a blood clot, a stroke. I couldn't control it anymore! Anyway I could only control this by taking estrogen to reduce my libido down to controlable levels. One thing led to another, I finally transitioned, just feel like a sexless blob

>>43792489
That sounds like dysphoria over your primary sex characteristics, nona. Self-mutilation is one of the diagnostic criteria.

>>43792531
Well, I loved those days because I was so horny! I would literally jump into UNICEF boxes and put on all kinds of weird female clothes, then run down the street.
I tried being gay, it didn'twork
I was a crazy out of control crossdresser. I'd rather control it, which I did with estrogen.

>>43792574
Well, if it improved your life, then I support your decision, but you shouldn't act like this describes the median trans woman's experience. "Optics nuke" as they call it.

>>43792608
It didn't improve my life. It just ended my sexual and romantic life, which t should have lasted until I was old age. I gave it up because I just couldn't control my crossdressing urge, which got out of control. I couldn't control it. I seen some doctors about it, went back to tranny doc, estrogen helped me. It took over

>>43792309
No they don't.

>>43792338
No they won't. Honest transgender women will agree. We are not motivated by sexual orientation.

>>43793745
Why is it so bad be motivated by sexual orientation? I'm pretty sure it's motivation for most trans women cuz sexual attracted to ourselves as female

>>43794001
>sexual attracted to ourselves as female
That's not a thing.

>>43794036
it must be, otherwise you would not have pointed it out

>>43794179
It mustn't be or I wouldn't have pointed it out.

>>43794202
Oh come on! You could argue it anyway you want, yet everyone on the board knows about jacking off to fantasies of turning yourself into a woman. It's the basic transgender sexuality

>>43794239
>jacking off to fantasies of turning yourself into a woman.
That's not a thing.

>>43794324
I literally do that

>>43794372
We all do it, or did it, unless we are hussy

>>43794372
No you don't

>>43785291
hsts is an external motivation, they transition to gain social acceptance and access to men.

agp transition for themselves

>>43794418
No we don't and didn't.

>>43794547
Why hsts always more feminine attractive looking than AGP

>>43785614
Jazz Jennings is textbook hsts and she wanted to be a little girl from the time she was first mentally cognizant. She had typical prepubescent crushes on boys like a girl would. She was drawn to girly colors like pink and purple and played with dolls, not as part of some gross sexual fetish, but because she was a girl inside.
I think AGP don't understand hsts, while also hating them because they are more valid.

>>43794660
Because most people don't actually care about what hsts was meant by Blanchard and just translate "attractive trans woman => hsts" and then look back on what their own biases tell them and think say "hsts => attractive trans woman" not realizing that their actual association was backwards the entire time.

>>43794690
>had typical prepubescent crushes on boys like a girl would. She was drawn to girly colors like pink and purple and played with dolls

All true for me except when I hit puberty I became sexually excited about cross-dressing.
I had both conditions

>>43794660
I could explain it, if people really wanted to listen. I think most here would rather what they want to believe.

>>43794715
>hsts attractive
True, however, there are actual reasons why they appear to be more attractive; it has to do with self-selection

>>43794730
That doesn't necessarily mean you have AGP.
AGP is a permanent sexual fetish involving auto attraction to yourself over attraction to other people. AGP are repulsed by men generally because they themselves are straight men wishing to become a lesbian or less commonly a straight woman.

Don't think you're AGP because crossdressing was arousing for you at some point, you have to check more boxes.

>>43794810
I think if I had been totally hsts I would have been able to just living as a gay man. I was definitely a gay man. Before I transitioned, I was fully gay identified.

>>43794836
For some people transition is more about self attraction than it is about finding a man and falling in love.

>>43794854
Good point. I don't think I ever felt self attraction unless I was just like a guy. For me it was just a cross-dressing fetish, which is part of having AGP

>>43794789
Hsts do not feel driven to transition, they decide to transition based on rational thinking. If they don't look feminine, they don't transition.
Therefore, if you take 10 AGP trans women, at random, you are including all those who wanted to transition. If you take 10 hsts trans women, at random, you are including only those who decided to transition because they thought they look like women
This makes a huge difference in what you sample looks like

>>43794854
AGP

>>43785291
pic = 4chan doll.

>>43794690
Oh my God! I am so much more like jazz Jennings than anybody else in this board as a young person I was like a girl. I didn't transition when Jazz Jennings did, but I transition before I was an adult!