I believe the onset of what we call "gender" or "sex" dysphoria is influenced more by external social conditions than internal hormones or genetics.
lesbianism can be corrected
yea sure haha
I'm a reasonable facsimile of female. I do not adhere to any gender roles nor stereotypes. I do what comes naturally to me. I knew what I was, physically, from a young age. I do what I want regardless of whether society tells me I should do, with great cost to my self and social standing.You know little, stupid glownigger.
>>43793220>I believeThat's truth not what you believe
>>43793453it's not the gays who have a child rape thread up right now
>>43793220The only way to destroy patriarchy is via changes to the way we as humans interact with sex and sexual dimorphism. Medical transition is one of the most radically feminist actions one can take.
>>43793220>Discrimination, segregation, pathologization of non-normative but harmless sexual desires and behaviours, and genocide are progressive!No.
>>43793570there is no patriarchy and never was
>>43793570>gender stereotypes are the most radically feminist actionsKEK
>>43793453You freaks are the ones obsessed with making sure children have the chance to take HRT
>>43793636>Body modification is “gender stereotypes”You people are demented.
>>43793636idk bro I imagine most men don't have tits
>>43793220source? proofs??
>>43793220I wonder where one could find a psychologist to cure AGP
>>43793656The whole point is living as gender stereotypes. Otherwise you're not trans.That's what you believe in.
>>43793636>injecting hormones is about gender stereotypes>>43793625Patriarchy is the enforcement of both traditional sexism and oppositional sexism
>>43793220“Gender Dysphoria” is a fictitious mental illness invented by cissexist doctors in the 1970s in order to pathologize transsexuality and restrict access to sex change procedures. By embracing the concept of “Gender Dysphoria”, trans advocates have pathologized the desire to be trans and so handed the medical establishment the ability to decide just who is sick enough to get the medicine.
>>43793661Moobs.
>>43793691women enforce sexism, not men, the label of patriarchy is inaccurate and in fact is disinformation to throw the blame off the actual oppressors, whom you take the side of because you are AGP
>>43793686No you just have to transition. Plus trans people are less likely to adhere to stereotypes anyways.
>>43793686this argument is always funny, as if trannies particularly fit into the stereotype of either gender lol
>>43793720Patriarchy is just the name that's commonly accepted for the system. I'm not delusional and think that women aren't enforcers of it too.
>>43793220social conditions are downstream of biological realities, if we want to change the social conditions we must change the biological realitiesradfems used to understand this, read shulamith firestone
>>43793717Yeah, most thin men do not have estrogen moobs
>>43793724>>43793737So trans women with beards and trans men who wear skirts are also trans? This board wouldn't agree with that.It *is* about stereotypes.
>>43793686When we say that some one is “trans”, we usually mean specifically that that person is transsexual. “Transsexual” is an adjective that describes a person who is changing or has changed their sex phenotype. Whether they “live as gender stereotypes” (whatever that means) or what they believe doesn’t enter into whether one is transsexual at all.Furthermore, it is not the case that all transsexuals hold the beliefs or do the behaviours that you arbitrarily assign to them. But even if it were, that wouldn’t justify stripping them of their rights or freedoms.
>>43793740patriarchy implies that men are unfairly given power, when that is not true, women are the ones unfairly given privilege and power
>>43793741Based shulapill taker
>>43793758To be "woman" or "man" is to be perceived as such. To be "trans" is to transition. But did you note how I specified "medical transition"?
>>43793776You didn't answer my question. Are trans women with beards and trans men who wear skirts are also trans?If its not really about gender stereotypes, this should be easy to answer.
>>43793793I did answer your question but you can't seem to connect the doors or even read?If they're transitioning, they're trans, but they're not necessarily trans women/men because they're not perceived as such.
>>43793765Patriarchy implies that the ruling class is men, and traditional sexism typically takes the form of men/masculinity/maleness being dominant in a hierarchy over women/femininity/femaleness.
>>43793839the ruling class is womenwomen hold all meaningful social poweryou are a castrated retard who simps for the ruling class (women) and thus are brainwashed to never hold them accountable for anything
>>43793793Are they stereotypical men either? I would consider them weird but not necessarily cis lol
>>43793856Women's social power as a class comes from reproductive potential and the various carveouts given to them as a product of benevolent sexism or liberal feminism. Men are typically the ones dominating the ruling political classes.
>>43793717In actuality, (some) transsexual women’s breasts are histologically and anatomically identical to cissexual women’s breasts; there is empirical evidence demonstrating this. This will continue to be the case even if you continue to use the word “moobs” to refer to transsexual women’s breasts. What is the case doesn’t depend on whether you like it or not. https://genderanalysis.net/resources/studies-on-trans-womens-breast-development/>>43793741Based Shulie reader>>43793776Based linguistic/sociological descriptivist>>43793758>>43793793Is the fact that people wouldn’t call picrel a “tree” proof that being a snake is about stereotypes? Or could it simply be the case that words mean things?Being trans isn’t inherently “about” anything. The meanings that you assign to things do not inhere in the things themselves. This will continue to be the case even if you continue to construct sophistic arguments to attempt to prove that “being trans is about gender stereotypes”.Your entire argument here is>Trans people hold the beliefs or do the behaviours that I arbitrarily assign to them>(Implied) Therefore they should be eliminated from public lifeNo one on this board is falling for this shit. Give up.
>>43793817Most people of this board would just say that trans woman with beard is a man and that trans man who wear skirt is a woman. Stop pretending otherwise, this is tttt.They wouldn't think these people are just "trans" or non binary or whatever. It's because they don't fit gender stereotypes. So yes, being trans is about gender stereotypes. Radical feminism is not about conforming to gender/sex norms. It's against them.
>>43793220Gender ideology is absolutely wrong and disgusting.
Can we just agree to kill these fedposters once they get out of power? Like, public beheadings on TV and shit.
>>43793910I don't believe in gender identities, at all.
>>43793907>terfs read actual feminist theory challenge level: impossibleRadical feminism isn't about stereotypes at all. It's about actually uprooting the patriarchy. The only ways to do that are either sex separatist societies (which never end up working) or by actually changing the material reality of sex, sexual dimorphism, and reproduction.
>>43793907You are blatantly lying about what it is that you actually believe. You claim that you are “against” gender/sex norms, yet in actuality, you are *for* them. You are opposed to persons born with a penis taking estrogen and referring to themselves as women, but you aren’t opposed to persons born with a vulva doing the same. You have distinct expectations for human beings depending on what genitalia they were born with.
>>43793907If it was only about stereotypes they wouldn't fit their birth sex either
>>43793937radical feminism never treats men as individualsit always applies a negative collective judgement against men while precluding men from doing the same towards women
>>43793400that's sort of why it exists in the first place
>>43793975That's because a lot of "radfems" are actually just angry idiot conservative feminists, but Marxist critical theory-derived political philosophies typically deal with classes and not individuals because they're about the broader trends.
>>43793888If by “patriarchy” you mean “a society in which the ruling class consists mostly of men”, then yes, we live in a patriarchy. If, on the other hand, by “patriarchy” you mean “a society in which men, ceteris paribus, enjoy more social privileges than women”, then no, we don’t live in a patriarchy. If anything, Western Anglophone cultures are gynocentric: they are arranged to increase the convenience and delight of women, even at the expense of men’s rights and freedoms. For example, women are routinely unfairly favoured in divorce proceedings.
>>43793220What if I want to be an XX woman with the features testosterone use gives me?
>>43793990conservatism is just an indirect way of enforcing female privilege>>43794000the ruling class is 100% femalemen have to actually work to gain powerwomen are handed power for having a womb
>>43794000There are many explicit carveouts for women that are a result of the victories of liberal feminism trying to "even out" historical systems (and biological pressures) that have applied less codified forms of inequalities that have favored men. It's trying to correct a broken system with an ex post facto patch. Meanwhile, radical feminism, by which I mean ACTUAL radical feminism and not conservatives larping as radfems, is about uprooting the inequalities entirely and letting the patches wither away. The society we live in is, basically, capitalism with welfare policies. The system is inherently equal but we bolt on protective measures to try and make it more equitable. Radical feminism, however, is (hypothetically functional) communism in this analogy.
>>43794044are you actually this stupid irl?
>>43793765any power is unfairly given, that's how it's achieved.. unfairly. if you want to have fairness, you need to run away from power as far as possible, and hope you're not followed
>>43794068I am expressing my sincere beliefs. You are a CIA agent pretending to be an AGP to enforce the status quo. We are not the same. >>43794073women are allowed to behave terribly and never face real accountabilitymen who struggle are left to rot, women who struggle are rescued (unless they are suspected of being lesbians)
>>43794090only respected for being cunts
>>43794131no, women are respected for having wombsthey act like cunts cuz men let them get away with it
>>43794090can you fucking read?
>>43794090>women are allowed to behave terribly and never face real accountabilityallowed by men, to humiliate other men
>>43793220>Science and facts>No pronouns>No punishment for misgendering>Womens spaces for women>Sex based rights>Nobody born in the wrong body>Freedom of speech>sex is observed>Against self ID>Dress and look as you wantNone of these things mean anything. Its the liberal equivalent of picrel, and its why liberalism doesnt work. As long as you can find the right combination of fuzzy sentiments you can sell just about anything as liberalism.
>>43793975True. Feminists have always indiscriminately assigned a negative value to men. https://youtu.be/qhE38rHQiiE
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>>43794323I wish women were less misandrist.
>>43793220>>43793907>>43794048Feminism is a mythological project built around an essentialized subject (“woman”) that has never existed as a coherent class.>>43793220>>43793910There is no such thing as “gender ideology”.
>>43793220Oh yeah sure. Explains why I've always been sexually attracted and masturbated while cross-dressed.
>>43793937patriarchy created gender stereotypes.>>43793951I'm not for gender stereotypes.I think a man can be effeminate and still be a man, and woman can be masculine and still be a woman.Trans don't believe in that, hell they don't like other trans people if they're GNC.nobody on this board believes mtf butches are women or that ftm femboys are men.But if they follow gender stereotypes, it makes them a more valid trans person.
>>43794594AGP.
>>43794654Patriarchy didn't create stereotypes but it (which (You) are an agent of) certainly works to reinforce themWhat's the issue with people taking cross sex hormones?
>>43794665Yep, I'm highly agp
>>43794673It did. >What's the issue with people taking cross sex hormones? Nothing if they stay in spaces designed for their birth sex.
>>43794699your very first comment was decrying medical transition you lying sack of shit
>>43793220 gincel what do u do for work? Cuz it seems like you post all fucking day. Id rather see ai boymoder threads atp
>>43794708I don't care if you "transition" as long as you stay in your birth sex spaces and don't call yourself a woman.
>>43794774sure you don't
>>43794792I don't care if some dude wants his dick gone.
>>43794842We should cut yours off and force feed it to you.
>>43793220>muh gender stereotypoos its le chromosoms>except when you have physical characteristics of the opposite sex, thats EVIL! DON'T DO THAT! I NEED TO BE ABLE TO SNIFF YOUR CHROMOSOMES OFF A MILISECOND OF BEING NEAR YOU BECAUSE.. because I just need to, okay?"Sex based rights" are sexism. "single sex spaces" are sexism. Enforcement of mass invigilation in order to synthetically separate the sexes is retarded and dystopian>"b-but you can look how you want!! Big phormo!!"Stop taking antidepressants and statins en masse then we can talk.Alas, you are indeed gincel seething so you don't even read what you post so I shouldn't have written all of that. It's moot.
>>43793907>trans woman with beard>trans man with skirtHmm, are skirts a part of your body or something? (If you can't get it, I am calling your argument retarded because you can't even get proper examples for your theory)
>>43794654>nobody on this board believes mtf butches are women or that ftm femboys are men.Burden of proof buddy
>>43794774>birth sex spacesDo you need some specific genitalia to operate equipment in these spaces? Pussy wrenches? Dick tubes? Or are you shoving people in boxes based off of how they were born... wait what was our problem with gender stereotypes again, if you could remind me?
>>43795122Women don't have dicks lmao> force feed it to you Projection? For anyone who said that being trans is not about gender stereotypes and that trans theory and radical feminism can work together, have fun reading this! >>43793822
>>43794654>trans don’t believe in thatfedposter detected, https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fatmos.earth%2Fpolitical-landscapes%2Ffossil-fuel-billionaires-are-bankrolling-the-anti-trans-movement%2F here’s a friendly reminder of where this sentiment comes from.
>>43793220>“forget gender”, but also we demand that our culture continue to assign a sex/gender (“woman” or “man”) to each and every individual>“forget gender”, but also we demand “sex-based rights” (discrete sets of civil rights for women and men)>“forget gender”, but also we demand that certain public spaces, competitions, and jobs be only for women or only for men>“forget gender”, “no pronouns”, “no punishment for misgendering”, and “freedom of speech”, but also we demand that you use feminine pronouns to refer to a person assigned a female sex/gender, that you use masculine pronouns to refer to a person assigned a male sex/gender, that you abstain from using feminine pronouns to refer to a person assigned a male sex/gender, that you abstain from using masculine pronouns to refer to a person assigned a female sex/gender, and that you abstain from using epicene pronouns to refer to any individual, and we will harass you if you do not comply with these demands>“freedom of speech”, but also we demand that you abstain from uttering or writing the words “female penis”, “male pregnancy”, “male brest [sic] feeding”, “natural strap on”, “womb bearer”, “menstruator”, “person with cervix”, and “lactating individual”, and we will harass you if you do not comply with these demands>“science and facts”, but only those that we agree with>“women’s spaces for women”, but only if the women in question are cis; we demand that women who are trans be persecuted for daring to exist in public spaces designated for the use of women
>>43793220>>43795635>“sex is observed”, but also a person’s sex is determined exclusively by the identities of their sex chromosomes, most of whose are never observed>a person’s sexual orientation is determined exclusively by the identities of their sex chromosomes and those of their partners, even though no one needs to know the identities of any one’s sex chromosomes before they can experience sexual attraction towards them>“dress and look as you want”, but only if you’re cis; if you’re trans and you dress or look a way that we deem inappropriate for the sex/gender we assign to you, you’re “adhering to/enforcing/reinforcing sex/gender stereotypes/roles” and we demand that you stop doing that at once>“cars”, “dolls”, “ballet”, “football”, “trousers”, “skirts”, “make-up”, “high-heeled shoes”, “hairy”, “shaved”, and “whatever color”, but only if you’re cis; if you’re a trans woman or girl and you own or play with dolls, do ballet, wear skirts, high-heeled shoes, make-up, or pink clothing, or shave, or if you’re a trans man or boy and you’re enthusiastic about cars, are enthusiastic about or play football, wear trousers or blue clothing, abstain from wearing high-heeled shoes or make-up, or are hairy, you’re “adhering to/enforcing/reinforcing sex/gender stereotypes/roles” and we demand that you stop doing that at once
>>43793220>>43795650>“love your body as it is”, but only if you’re cissexual; if you’re transsexual, we demand that you bio-medically detransition immediately. every single person on Earth must conform strictly to cissexist bodily norms, even if doing so causes them to hate their body>we demand that non-normative but harmless sexual desires and behaviours be pathologized and that any one who experiences such a desire or does such a behaviour undergo conversion therapy>“feminism protects women’s rights”, but we demand that men have certain civil rights and that women not have these>“feminism supports LGB”, even though we erase trans lesbians and gay and bisexual trans people>“gender ideology”>>43794654>>43794699>>43794774>I think that there’s no issue with taking cross-sex hormones, but also taking cross-sex hormones is “living as gender stereotypes”, which I take issue with>I don’t care if trans people transition, but also I object to trans people transitioning>I’m not for gender stereotypes, but also I assign gender stereotypes to the existence of trans people, thereby perpetuating gender stereotypes>I oppose gender/sex norms, but also I demand that persons born with a penis abstain from taking estrogen and referring to themselves as women. I do not demand that persons born with a vulva abstain from doing these behaviours>I oppose gender/sex norms, but also I demand that certain public spaces be segregated on the basis of sex>I oppose sex/gender norms, but also I demand that persons born with a penis and persons born with a vulva have discrete behaviours and appearancesIt’s all so tiresome.
reminder that this is the "gnc" boy they want to forcibly turn you into
>>43795693>but also I demand that certain public spaces be segregated on the basis of sexthose were created for a reason, to keep women safe.
>>43797250lol those were literally created by men like a hundred years ago because they didn't want women in their spacesthat is why there are segregated bathrooms. Because men wanted segregation, not women.
>>43797274and women nowdays want segregation for for safety reasons.
>>43797304terfs want trans women specifically to be excludedeveryone else is fine with the way public bathrooms have been
>feminist>women's spaces competitions and jobs
>>43797304the true function of sex segregation is just about humiliating men and psychologically tormenting them so they accept their fate as an oppressed underclass, it does nothing to keep women safe if anything it creates a climate of sexual repression which makes women less safe
>>43797317most of women agree.
>>43797322lmfao.
>>43797348>no substantive response at all
>>43797451Dealing with you is like dealing with a schizophrenic. You are so detached from reality, it's not even worth engaging with.
This provocative and controversial book explores the effects of transgenderism on the lesbian and gay communities, the partners of people who transgender, children who are identified as transgender and the people who transgender themselves, and argues that these are negative. In doing so the book contends that the phenomenon is based upon sex stereotyping, referred to as 'gender' - a conservative ideology that forms the foundation for women's subordination. Gender Hurts argues for the abolition of 'gender', which would remove the rationale for transgenderism.
>>43797580Sheila Jeffreys is a moronic, homophobic straight woman who pretends to be lesbian in order to launder her specific brands of bigotry. Political lesbians hate trannies for the same reason that hate actual faggots and dykes: they literally do not believe in innate queerness.
>>43793651there's nothing wrong with early intervention, I wish my parents had listened to me when I was 12 instead of reppresing for year's.
>>43797604Do you believe in lesbians who married men to fit into society, but are only attracted to women, or do you think a repressive marriage invalidates homosexual orientation?
>>43797757Sheila Jeffreys helped invent the concept of political lesbianism and repeatedly and consistently described sexual orientation as a choice. Closeted lesbians don't invalidate homosexual attraction. I'm saying that Sheila Jeffreys, specifically, is a straight woman.
>>43797604>Wokebaka
>>43797801No. She's not straight lol
>>43797804If you don't think the woke flag is funny then you have no sense of humor tbdesu
>>43797834I'm glad we don't have the same type of "humor"
>>43797832Her definition of lesbian includes celibate straight women. It is, in her own words "a woman-identified woman who does not fuck men."In this very book, she advocates that sexual orientation is purely social and is not innate. She is a straight woman who appropriated the lesbian label.
I believe being a "conservative" or "nazi" is a jewish psyop meant to give jews a bogeyman they can point to any time someone criticizes them.
>>43797868If she's not attracted to men nor women she's asexual then
>>43797895you should probably read up on political lesbianism
>>43797914Ok, but you should stop presuming people are straight by default even when they're not
>>43797983I'm not. I'm saying that Jeffreys, herself, is straight. Are you at all literate?
>>43798008How are you so sure she's heterosexual? You don't even know her lol
>>43798069>"How do you know this person who says they're heterosexual is actually heterosexual?"
>>43798094She doesn't say she is heterosexual. You're simply dumb and blind if you believe everyone that say they're heterosexual tho. Nobody would lie about this, huh?
