Question to people who believe in "political lesbians", which are supposedly straight women who married men but claim to be lesbians as a shield for anti-trans bigotry:What do you think of repressing/self-loathing lesbians who grow up, realize they only like women, but marry a man out of pressure from those around them to it in with other women all marrying men. Do you think such women are still lesbians, or do they become straight by marrying a man?
>>43797805That's not what political lesbians are at all.But yes, of course they're still lesbians.
>>43797948political lesbians are political because they are married to men in your eyes, right?if they were married to women they would just be lesbians?How am I understanding this wrong?
>>43797805You're describing closeted lesbians, not political lesbians. Political lesbianism is very specifically about framing sexual orientation as a choice and is itself deeply lesbophobic, especially towards butch lesbians.
>>43797970Political lesbians are literal heterosexual women who pretend to be homosexual as an act of protest. They are the equivalent to "trans" people who don't actually transition and then try and advocate against medical transition.
>>43797980>about framing sexual orientation as a choicewell yeah, not repressing your lesbianism is a choicemany women call themselves bi or straight but aren't and that repression process isn't always conscious people born with penises are never lesbians
>>43797970>political lesbians are political because they are married to men in your eyes, right?No, political lesbians are radfems who don't believe in sexual orientation and advocate for women to fuck each other (or at least not sleep with men) as a sort of boycott of men.
>>43797994how do you know they are heterosexual and not closeted lesbians?
>>43797996you may be missing your frontal lobe, and that's okay
>>43797996>people born with penises are never lesbianstrvth nvke
>>43797994Curious that you're equating the rejection of heterosexual practices with the rejection of transitioning
>>43798013Because this is the literal definition of political lesbianism and the philosophy that the entire idea is built around? The name itself, which they coined themselves, is because they believe that lesbianism is a conscious, political choice and NOT innate behavior.
>>43798022How are you assuming these women are heterosexual, other than based on them being married to men?
>>43798029If you cannot see the parallels between two instances of people pretending to be part of an oppressed minority and displacing them, then you are irrefutably stupid
>>43798035Nobody who is married to a man is a political lesbian.
>>43798035>these women say they are attracted to men but choose to "become lesbians" to stick it to the man are heterosexual>"Erm but how do you know that?"you can just listen to what these people say about themselves, right?
>>43798051So on what basis do you have to assume these women are heterosexual?Because, remember, the heart of the "political lesbianism" argument is "they say they are lesbians but they aren't really lesbians"it's about invalidating the homosexuality of others
>>43798071The heart of the political lesbian argument is that political lesbians themselves say that they themselves aren't actually homosexual
>>43798047>Little woke man sound madkek
>>43798071I'm sure some of them are actual lesbians. But they deny the existence of homosexuality as an innate trait, instead suggesting that all women can and should become lesbians by choice. So some of them are straight, and the advocates of the ideology want straight women to "become" lesbians.
>>43798086>say that they themselves aren't actually homosexualyeah closeted lesbians often call themselves bi or straight, do you not? does your brain not?are you not capable of?>>43798125well maybe what they are really saying is "women should stop hiding being lesbians" but that's a tougher message to sellyou are sorta taking it literally
>>43797805Why not? I'm politically transbian, because I support LGBT rights so strongly that I could not bear to see these beautiful and frightened people abus-ed so, and I had to see what it was like myself, to join the fight, and atone for my past, chudly life. Kissing girls is nice, too.
>>43798140These aren't "closeted" lesbians. Do you actually know what political lesbianism is? It is, by definition, the political philosophy that frames sexual orientation as a choice and that there is no such thing as innate sexual orientation. It is a deeply homophobic ideology.
>>43798140>well maybe what they are really saying is "women should stop hiding being lesbians" but that's a tougher message to sellNo, what they're actually saying is that real lesbians don't exist. You need to read a book.
>>43798164>It is a deeply homophobic ideology.oh the irony
>>43798225I would accuse you of playing dumb but it's not actually an act with you.
>>43798225damn ur retarded lol
>>43797805that's an oversimplificationinteresting subject but please engage in good faith
Political lesbianism is the Korean 4B movement if it was run by a bunch of cisrapehons.
nuts
>>43798300I don't get it. >>43798355>being married to a man means you can't be a lesbian
>>43798373>I don't get it.You don't "get" much of anything, it seems.
>>43798099Woke bloke is a bad joke
>>43797805is this bait or are you actually too retarded to google the definition of a term
>>43797805>which are supposedly straight women who married men but claim to be lesbians as a shield for anti-trans bigotrythat's not what a political lesbians is retard >What do you think of repressing/self-loathing lesbians who grow up, realize they only like women, but marry a man out of pressure from those around them to it in with other women all marrying men. they're lesbians and have near zero overlap with the first groupa political lesbian would never marry a man because it'd get in the way of said politics
>>43798676My point is the main thrust of the accusation "political lesbian" is to deny that lesbians are lesbians, esp. if they marry men. >a political lesbian would never marry a man because it'd get in the way of said politicsso how do you know they are heterosexual then?
>>43800702You're just wrong about what it means. But it's okay I will argue from your retarded position. Yes anyone who has been in a relationship with a man cannot be lesbian
>>43800723so you believe in corrective rape essentially, that dick turns lesbians straight and sexual orientation is not brain wiring but just sexual acts?
>>43800702it's not about being heterosexual you absolute amoeba, many are probably bisexual or ace. people already explained what a political lesbian is herei usually know they're polilez bc they openly say so or strongly hint at it
>>43800761>many are probably bisexual or aceseems like the whole point of the thing is invalidating their lesbian orientation since you don't see these women as "true" lesbians
>>43800749No, they were never lesbian and I don't believe there is such a thing a gay gene. Humans are complex, our behavior is not necessarily hardwired
>>43800769>genedo you believe all traits are only found on one single gene?I think people who talk about "political lesbians" are broadly homophobic and somehow the term is like a widely tolerated way to smear lesbians as fake without being branded a bigot for doing so.
>>43800761another more common group that might get called political lesbians are people who are like openly queer in queer spaces, and on the surface supportive of other lesbians, but find anything resembling male sexuality ontologically evil, so they attack other lesbians for finding women hot (except they'll call it objectifying or whatever). polilez is probably the wrong label here since it's not neatly tied to the original political movement and they'll usually proclaim orientation inborn but there's classic signs such as>hating men>not understanding attraction to womenthis being us to our next point that if you make lesbianism more about politics than eating pussy someone will call you a political lesbian the same way i call you a retard without seeing your iq test or believing you genuinely have an intellectual disability
>>43800785No but there is no evidence that even multiple genes contribute to homosexuality. At best you'd be able to get a tendency towards that but even there I have not seen anything conclusive.>smear lesbians as fakeLesbians smear lesbians as fake all the time, your number 1 neurosis is the fear of being left for a man. Are you just buttmad that you have been in a relationship with a guy before or what?
>>43800810If you make lesbianism inclusive of men YOU are making lesbianism political. Seems like the whole "political lesbian" slight is meant to invalidate lesbians who question if men can "transition" their way into being lesbians too.
>>43800822If you figured out which genes cause homosexuality, people would literally try to erase us in the womb.
>>43800853Not necessarily, we can already modify genes after birth. https://www.chop.edu/news/worlds-first-patient-treated-personalized-crispr-gene-editing-therapy-childrens-hospital Are you opposed to giving people the choice?
>>43800830why do terfs always do these giant threads pretending to be retarded instead of just stating what they mean to begin with? like genuinely what do you gain from making people look down on you because that's what happens when you pretend to not understand something basic (unless I'm confusing two posters here)nowhere in the thread were trannies mentioned until right now, it didn't even occur to me to think about them while replying
>>43800880you wouldn't label them political lesbians except as a reaction to them stating men can't be lesbians
>>43800889i constantly label people political lesbians without trannies ever coming into the picture, sounds like your only experience with the term is people calling you a polilez and it never occurred to you too google if there's other uses>>43800810this was basically me sneaking in a vent about twitter antis, im sure both sides of the argument were afab in 99% of the cases tho it reminds me, there's actually a subtype of polilez who are transbians, in many cases with a classic feminist motivation, but there's also an angle of tranny liberation by going t4t. so it can be a polar opposite of a terf ideology in some instances. many ways to sneak politics into liking tits as it turns out
