>The Era of University Gender Clinics (1960s–1970s)>During the mid-20th century, pioneer university-based gender clinics in the United States held a strict monopoly on gender-affirming treatments. >Because the demand for care vastly outnumbered the available slots, clinics used highly selective, discriminatory screening practices to filter out candidates.>The "Passing" Mandate: Doctors looked for traditional, highly stereotyped physical and behavioral traits. >If a trans woman was deemed too tall, had too deep a voice, or did not perform hyper-femininity to the doctor's exact satisfaction, she was often rejected on the basis that she couldn't seamlessly blend into society.>The Heteronormative Goal: The explicit goal of early clinics was to produce "invisible," heterosexual citizens. !!!>Medical teams routinely denied care to anyone who identified as gay, lesbian!!!>or non-binary, or whose career paths didn't match rigid 1950s gender roles.GOD IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER THEN!>Patients were required to live, work, or go to school full-time in their gender for a period of one to two years before being allowed to access hormone therapy!!Yes, this got rid of all the ugly hons.We need to go back!
>>43805514you don't live in a country with gatekeeping so shut the fuck upi do and they make even the passoids wait several years before even considering giving them hrtit's hell and if you haven't experienced such a system you get to have no opinion about it
extremely based mid-century standards to produce a generation of gigapassoids that actually put in the fucking work
>>43805544angry hon hands wrote this
>>43805514>Patients were required to live, work, or go to school full-time in their gender for a period of one to two years before being allowed to access hormone therapy!!come to europei was out full-time for three years before they let me have any medication at all
>>43805581i pass and i have a diagnosis and i still hate this shityou don't have a diagnosis so stfu
>>43805582hope you had fun masculinising hon
>>43805514I just take the hormones for skincare reasons tho.
lmao they are getting rid of all healthcaredoctors are next on the chopping block
>>43805544Adults should be able to buy HRT for themselves if they want to, hons shouldn't get to claim labels they have no right to, simple
>>43805514society as a whole was more conformist and buttoned-up back then. restrictions don’t make sense when cishet ppl engage in unbridled degeneracy like today
>>43805514OTC HRT is working really well here in brazil lel
>>43805557>gigapassoidsNot necessarily perfect beauties, but the t-girls back in the 60s and '70s, did look like real females
>>43805544Finnish?
>>43805599>i passYou are not the arbiter of that
>>43805723The ones that we know of. Survivorship bias is at play.
Anon this was still happening even in the 90s and 00s. I know because I transitioned at the time, and I had many friends IRL who transitioned at the time or before. It was horrible. Nonbinary, gay, and gender nonconforming trans people still transitioned, first of all. Obviously. They just dressed up for appointments and pretended to be what the doctors wanted. Genderqueer people would microdose themselves, etc. We coached each other on it. The gatekeeping also produced a shitton of doctor-on-patient abuse, because you relied on one clinician to write your letters and have enough years of records to back up your transition. you couldn't up and leave if they were creeps because nobody else would help you, so a lot of us got sexually harassed or assaulted by our doctors. Which anyone with a brain could guess at, because no normal doctor writes about how the only patients who should get the medical care are those they find sexually attractive.being deep stealth was the goal but it was primarily a survival technique because of the complete lack of job and housing protections and the fact that your parents would immediately beat the shit out of you and leave you by the side of the road if you came out. The number of people in your life who would attack or abandon you was so great that for many people, going into fucking witness protection was only a step beyond it. It wasn't a ideal way of living. it was a symptom of a profoundly fucked up society.anyway it's disgusting to see people romanticize this shit
>>43805794Are you cute
>>43805882wtf is wrong with you
>>43805794>being deep stealth was the goal but it was primarily a survival technique because of the complete lack of job and housing protections and the fact that your parents would disown you.It was so much better. No ine knew! You didn't have to worry about being clocked cux no one thought a woman might be a man! It was freedom from being a victim. Despite this, I got on SSI for being transgender, back in the day
>>43805785The ones we know are probably the ugly ones because they were the ones that weren't totally stealth. I was totally stealth until it didn't matter anymore
>>43805794>Nonbinary>Genderqueer peoplethose aren't real ya faketroonI'm gonna report you to ze gatekeepers and have your transvestitenschein revoked
>>43805514I was a borderline passoid. The more conservative area one I lived in, the easier it was for me to pass. Now there's no place for me and I wish I could transition back to being male cuz I'm uglier now than I was before!
>>43805514Stupid faggot post a picture of a ladyboy, most likely out of thailand. YOU KNOW THE COUNTRY NOTORIOUS FOR GATEKEEPING!More gatekeeping therefore more hons
>>43806105ok why can't you
>>43806158yeah it turns out the best solution is to just demystify the entire process and let people transition early in life and just self sort. Hons are a product of late, highly scrutinized transition.
>>43806171I lost my Edge, living in small West Texas towns back in the day was easy to pass because no one expected you to be a man. They would think you're just tough average looking older woman who lives on a ranch.
>>43806181There are brazilians who pass better than firstie troons without having ever done hrtYou need to soulpass first instead of being an incel who trooned to get laid
>>43806181Yup brainwashed to hate themselves thinking its a fetish when starting to develop awareness. After years of repression due to groomed thinking that they are a cisman. Environment shapes person alot. Transphobia contributes to great nbumber of hons
>>43806194Okay what's stopping you from detransitioning though>>43806195Yes and there are US troons who pass better without HRT than lateshits as well?
>>43806181Yes, hons are a product of late transitioners who may have wanted to transition back then, but we're scared away because of the gatekeeping. If they were talented they could have lied about it, but they were so adamant about saying they were lesbians, they screwed up all of us. Hon is a late old male, I hate lesbian transgenders
>>43806206Not only does demystifying everything just let people transition sooner, it also eases social development and prevents dysgenic development from extreme stress/malnourishment/obesity.
>>43806195Soul passing is a meme. Physical appearance is everything. Reason you are into them in the first place retard. Brazilians have easy access to treatments. ZERO GATEKEEPING thats why they pass easily you inbred. You are so fucking stupid no critical thinking ability. WEST is infamous for gatekeeping, so alot more hons. You sure you are not incel in denial. Can you even attract cis women?
>>43806222I'm too old now. My body doesn't look very male anymore. I had srs years ago. in fact, the counselors I have seen, say it's in my mind, not passing. Maybe I just hate hiding anymore? I'm not sure what it is? I would really rather I'll have to live this way.
>>43806226Submitting to social pressures is fembrained actually /hjThis is just an extremely stupid construction when we can directly observe that minimal gatekeeping actually produces positive, well-adjusted outcomes
>>43805514nohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeBwniFDDK4
>>43806260>Can you even attract cis womenThis would have got you disqualified from any transgender group back when I transitioned. Attracted to females is a male sexuality. Being gay is homosexual and effeminate, so if you’re gay, you're half way
>>43806267Oh, gee whiz, I thought you had something more concrete to say?You know what? I transitioned before you were born!
>>43806303You do realize that gatekeeping based on orientation back then was overstated? Harry Benjamin was treating transbians in the 70s. Unless you're in a retirement home I severely doubt that you're anything but a LARPer.
>>43806303It ain't also why the flag chance. Pretty homphobic of you to say that. Thinking being tranny is a fucking cult.>You have to like pink in order to be trannySorry that nature don't give a fuck up about you manufactured personality. WHich is product of environment. You live in lalaland
>>43806303>Attract d to females is a male sexuality cause no woman ever has been attracted to other women
>>43806334>UnlessWell actually I am. I don't have anything to do all day but fool around.
>>43806334>uhh ackshually it couldn't have been THAT badholy newfag PLEASE go on susans unironically you'll see countless stories from boomerhons describing abusive arbitrary humiliation rituals and hoops doctors made them jump through like some kind of sociopathic king with a court jester
>>43806344>lalalandI used to live there I used to hustle outside of the Gold Cup coffee shop
>>43806303>Can you even attract cis women>This would have got you disqualified from any transgender groupHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>43806411???????
hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.
>>43806399>susansWasn't that a transgender board around 1998?
>>43806399There's a reason I specified orientation. The gatekeeping overall was horrific. >>43806386Go play Wii Sports or something that's actually good for your bones.
>>43806438They did play it at the other old folks when I was at
>>43806195passing in brazil is easy. 90% of foids are cishons and even rich women get surgeries just to end up looking like trannies
>>43805514I know this is a troll thread, but the reality is that RLE doesn't produce better passing and socially conforming trannies. RLE allows gigahons who are happy spending years as public crossdressers to transition, and denies honest boymoders who know shame. It literally does the opposite of promoting heteronormativity because of this. The systems that actually produce the best outcomes are systems like thailand, where estrogen is easily accessible without a prescription, even for teenagers. This is the system that produces passing and socially conforming trannies. Anyone who seriously wants trannies to pass and socially conform can only rationally support early medical screening and intervention to prevent late transitioning, while discouraging the conflation of non-medicalized trans identities with normative transsexualism.
>>43806506It's also the easiness and acceptability of being a sex worker which makes it so much more easy to live and survive as a tranny
>>43806531I don't think this is something that would be beneficial to emulatein developed countries a teenager shouldn't need to work to be able to transition
>>43805514Looks like a babykat pic
>>43806557Maybe I do because there's the only way to survive when I transitioned in Los Angeles in the past. It was the only thing I knew how to do
>>43806605yes many people need to, but it shouldn't be that way if we're trying to maximize passing and conformity
>>43806616I needed to if I were going to survive
>>43806506>honest boymoders who know shame. They are not transgender. They think they are, but they are not transgender, or they would simply live as women
>>43806738Boymoders are a natural result of fragile dysphorics being subjected to ITS MAAM compilations during adolescence
>>43806738that's sillythere's plenty of people who wouldn't pass pre-hrt, but after a couple years on estrogen, laser hair removal, and maybe ffs would pass. There's no reason to exclude them, RLE does not produce improved outcomes. Early medical intervention does.
>>43806571Exactly what I thought it looks like a babykat head on a Thailand tranny body
>>43806776It shows commitment. If you're not going to live as your true gender identity regardless of your appearance and you don't really deserve the help because you're not going to put out the work.
>>43806825Do you really believe in old gatekeeping? I think it looks like a babykat too, but it's not
>>43806839it actually demonstrates self-awareness, gender dysphoria, and a desire to socially integrate, which is the point of the thread
>>43806839As far as tests go RLE does more to encourage provocateurs than it does to actually engender successful transition. Lily Tino passes RLE. Is that who you want?
>>43806868It sure didn't want our transition. If anything it made it so that those who were less likely to live as real women would be weeded out. This was the whole purpose.I'm certain of one thing. It was easier to pass in places where there were no awareness of transgender people
>>43806867I agree, gatekeeping made it harder for the ugly ones to transition
>>43806909The tests quite literally did the opposite of that, and awareness is only just that: awareness. Internet is the reason why awareness is higher.
>>43806868>Lily Tino passes RLE. I don't know Lily. In real life IRL? I don't know if the other one means
>>43806967I transitioned before there was any internet.
>>43806260you will never get it precisely because you do not soulpassyou don't understand how attractive a truly feminine personality is and there's a significant chance you were a nerdy loser who trooned out because of porn (and now you think you sound cool by asking if i've ever fucked pussy)your abrasiveness itself is a great example of why you would never pass and why some people don't need exogenous chemicals: it isn't muh luck, it isn't lookism, it's that they are not insufferable like you
Bitch please The age of biological indeterminism is upon usThere's is on going backI will girlmode while doing a fake fagcent with my MEF going hard af and there's nothing you're gonna do about it
>>43806996Try Brain Age since you're not playing Wii Sports. >>43806975Lily Tino, infamous hon, passes RLE requirements to transition. She is one of the biggest optics nukes out there and she passes the most popular form of gatekeeping.
>>43807006If you believe it totally that you pass it out any doubt you will learn to pass properly within a few months. The hardest part is convincing yourself that you are looking at yourself as a female. Once you be able to do it you got it licked
>>43807022>RLEWhat does this mean
>>43806996>I transitioned before there was any internet>Transfem flagdoubt.bmp
>>43807057why are you in a discussion about gatekeeping medical transition if you don't know what RLE stands for?
>>43807105I don't know? Maybe I'm slow I'm not going to do with it abbreviations. I'll forget them immediately but I can't figure out what rle means
>>43807063I did transition before the internet and I understand how to use flags. I think it's rather fun
>>43807148well fyi transfem is some silly nonbinary term only used by zoomers and younger. it doesn't stand for trans female
>>43806771Why would dressing up like a boy be beneficial?
>>43806996Hey hon, if you transition before the internet you had a transition before 1980
>>43807181I would like to be one of those zoomers
>>43807194Fragile dysphoric male is socially conditioned through ritualized abuse and humiliation and thus seeks to hide their metamorphosis longer than what is healthy because they have been traumatized into seeing themselves as acceptable victims of violence
>>43807233This is exactly what I thought I was like back when I was hustling. I thought we were no better than monsters but I didn't care because I wasn't even better than that myself I just didn't care. I didn't care if I live the next day I called it Freedom back then
>>43807250they were tortured long before their metamorphosis even began
>>43807272Are you one of these sad people? I really do feel sorry for them. I just don't think we had it any better than they had it. In those days gay people weren't even free from violence people come up to the gay neighborhood and try to beat up gay people in the Castro. Being transgender and passing was a way to escape it all I thought
>>43807006It is lookism, everything is. Your buzzwords don't make your nonsense rant make feel any weight. Looks are everything. (1)It gets you to the door then (2)personality. Thing what i said is the truth. You wannabe meta commentary pseud. With this:>(and now you think you sound cool by asking if i've ever fucked pussy)Go fuck a bald man with unshaved ass to prove your case.>your abrasiveness itself is a great example of why you would never pass and why some people don't need exogenous chemicals: it isn't muh luck, it isn't lookism, it's that they are not insufferable like youLmao! i literally responded in my first response. READ IT AGAIN, till you get it, pathetic. Insuffarable is because it is the truth! Looks and lookism is the pillar of sexual attraction. Coping subhuman.
>>43807287Hey, I'm one of the older people on this board. I'll bet you no older than 30
>>43807352It looks like this thread brought out the wackos
>>43807006>masculine personality=feminine body>feminine personality=Masculine bodyYou will always choose the feminine body one if you had to choose between the two! That is if you are into womanly people.
>>43805514I hate being the ugly race
>>43806771Boymoders are an example of AGP
>>43807384Looks are pillar of transgendernes! No matter how you try to twist it. We literally change our physical body to become what we want and were meant to be. So we can be oursleves.
>>43807446No doubt. However, those who think they look really masculine and still feel they are transgender are usually AGP.HSTS will naturally look and dess feminine, or they don't transition.
>>43805514this is basically how it still works in finland. out of the dozen or so trannies i know, only me and two others got the diagnosis and all others were turned away. oh and the polyclinics are in university hospitals. doesnt mean shit though now that anyone can change their legal gender without a diagnosis and meds and surgeries you can get from somewhere else. also theyre withholding an orchiectomy from me despite me having their extremely gatekept diagnosis so im gonna have to get it in thailand anyway and i wasted my time with them basically
>>43807287No I kind of go out in whatever and get gendered whatever and don't ever really tell anyone to call me anything.
>>43807490total Riittakerttu Kaltiala death
>>43805514t. not making the qualifications anyways…. time to go work the corner xister
>>43807515total death to all trans polyclinic doctors. the other people there are okay but the doctors are actual demons from hell
>>43807500Pretty much the same for me. Except I always expect the gendered female because no one would gender someone other than female but I'll take a different really weird being as old as I am
>>43807535ESL?
>>43807535It's been like this for a while. I did like the opposite of boymoding for a while though where I presented really femme but still used a male name/pronouns and people would get really confused. Basically tried to just force myself through it and found it to be not worth it when I can just throw on a T-shirt, sweats, and just relax.
>>43807529This is why every time someone says the Nordics are good for trannies I am flabbergasted.
>>43807563>reallynta, most the gay boys in high school did the same thing. I was the only one who really took it serious
>HSTS will naturally look and dess feminine, or they don't transition.That would imply they are AGENDER aka not real trans. Which means they have a choice, not real crippling dysphoria. Real trans transition no matter what, if not succeeding they kys. Which is me
>>43807585ngl,This is the way most HST is really are. Transitioning is the other choice from living as a femme gay boy
what we really need is OTC hrt and required diagnosis for ID changes and surgery coverage, with strict gatekeeping against non dysphorics and fetishists. this way actual trans ppl can get treatment young and faketroons can abuse hormones they don't need, but cannot call themselves trans or leech off our healthcare clogging up waitlists.
>>43807477Answert=>>43807608
>>43807578i mean outside of healthcare they are. medicine is the only time ive experienced transphobia irl. still would be cool to get healthcare.
>>43807587The thing is I only started doing this in my mid-20s. I actually pushed really hard to be masculine in high school. Wore a big bulky jacket, grew out shitty facial hair, emphasized my size and deep singing voice, etc. Obviously wasn't the best facade but people were shocked that I liked men in college when I was maintaining it.
>>43807613Valid. Just don't be bigoted towards other trans women <3 We only live once. World is a spectrum
>>43807615This sounds like a better idea than any other ones. I think children should be allowed to take blockers this is my main claim of righteousness.
>>43807638I'll try to keep it in mind<3
>>43807608Nta but no such thing as "real trans" imo, except actually transitioning. Dysphoria isn't the only reason to transition but it's definitely the most brutal reason to deal with.
>>43807642Children shouldn't be taking blockers without medical supervision. HRT though? Sure. Blockers just don't have a use case outside of diagnostic purposes.
>>43807655Beatifull Hustuss sister, life is precious!
>>43807637>actually pushed really hard to be masculine in high school. Usually this is agp.. were there feminine boys in school who hung out together and we're basically friends with the girls? These were the hsts kids and most of them remain gay boys only AGPs transition because they have to
>>43807704In my school? Not really. Private religious school. Was literally called insane by a teacher in elementary school for solely hanging out with girls. Had two obviously gay friends in middle school but they left by high school so I was the only one left.
>>43807656Did you not read it, the answer is there!
>>43805599I got a diagnosis of GD when I was 11We should gatekeep more
>>43807889Anon lives in a country where they just torture trannies who aren't 18 and then put them on 3+ yr waitlists while also manufacturing as much propaganda as they can to "prove" transitioning is bad (they only prove that their healthcare system is terribad).
It kind of makes sense but it also concerns me because it does kind of move gender dysphoria away from a medicalised issue and more into a lifestyle choiceAs someone who lives in a country which until recently heavily gatekept, all it does is lead to these people repressing for a few years, sometimes a decade and then having a mental breakdown and ending up transitioning anyway but with a wife and kids
>>43805514Is it weird that I as a trans women held my self to these standards but don't believe these standards should be universal?
>>43807664There were available when I transitioned, so I cut my balls off. Literally!
>>43807736>Private religious school. Not sure, but I think this was illegal in my state. I did have to attend a special school for emotionally disturbed adolescents. Not at all religious.
>>43808185>but with a wife and kidsOnly if they are heterosexual males.
>>43808507Well we're talking about trans women here right?So yes, in this case they're heterosexual by their sex and male
>>43808507Plenty of androphiles end up with a wife and kids.
>>43808522boomerhonsThey were gay boys who transition. Some were street queens, all very much homosexual. Usually they hated women.
>>43808574I don't see what being male has to do with anything hereDo you think 'gay boys' and 'street queens' are female?
>>43805794I ended up transitioning a few years ago in my 30s because of this shit. I had an exceptionally thick beard by my 20s and there was no way I could do RLE. So I hard decided being trans was not for me and went full repression. I spent 15 years trying to make a man out of myself. I refused to look at anything in the trans community least I tempt myself so I missed pretty much all the developments of the 2010s. In 2022 I saw a random reddit post about somebody questioning their gender, resources were posted, and for whatever reason this time I looked at them and realized things are okay now.
>>43808523 most audiophiles are straight
>>43808587Do you know what a street queen is?
>>43808608I'm not American nor am I a boomer so no, never heard it in my life
>>43808636Here's the definition from AI>LGBTQ+ Slang: Historically (particularly in the mid-20th century), the term referred to transgender women, gender-nonconforming individuals, or queer male sex workers who lived or worked primarily on the streets.
>>43808644Mid 20th century lol
>>43808650Yep mid-century hustling in the San Francisco tenderloin. There were bars called the Windjammer, the scoreboard, The Body Shop, Jackie D's, Roadrunner club, the black rose and a few more I don't remember I have pop my head
>>43805514Ironic that you're stealing my MEF folder images to post this nonsense. The original johns Hopkins clinic and Harry benjamin's classification system was accepted because it served elite interests namely divide, conquer, marginalize. Imposing reified categories on people as a precondition for medical treatment is malebrained and barbaric. Not to mention it would never work in the internet age.
>>43805557They weren't "producing gigapassoids" they were trying to suppress everyone who wasn't a gigapassoid. AND they failed. If the system was so great at doing what you say then why didnt it work?
>>43805623Or how about: everyone is willing to exercise free speech in labeling things or debating the accuracy of labels, and we let collective free will determine what gets used and when?
>>43806158That's not a ladyboy retard it's Hong Ye-ji
>>43805514Bitterhon hands
>>43808701>they were trying to suppress everyone who wasn't a gigapassoid.good no hons
>>43808737 the babykat
>>43806506Boymoders specifically should be forced to do RLE though and forced to girlmode as well. They're some of the most toxic and hateful people imaginable. Anyone who has dealt with their BPD and tried to talk them down from their self harming or suicidal behavior knows.
>>43806571>>43806825Retard
>>43808687>divide, conquer, marginalize. Imposing reified categories on people as a precondition for Nothey were good straight men doctors who are trying their best to help help us. they were helping little hopeless queers become more viable as women
>>43807006Actually the fact that you can't perceive the anatomical differences between someone not on HRT and someone on HRT just means you're gay, malebrained, and dismissive of long term real world health concerns like second puberty amd masculinization, otherwise known as twinkdeath. Show me literally ANYONE who is AMAB and 18+ and not on HRT and I will point out how not being on HRT is hurting their ability to pass.
>>43808776Boymoders specifically, suffer from agp and fit a self-destructure profile. They will never see themselves as a women and bitch about it all the time
>>43808768It looks like a babykat, but it's not the real babykat. She is on fb.
>>43808768Meant to post the imageAnyway OP jacks off to MEF fantasies you can all stop replying to the troll thread now
>>43808872>photoshop pic babykat head on huge body
>>43808929I don't think she's Asian?
>>43808929Idk what ur talking about sorry and it's not "photoshop" besides we have AI now, photoshop is over
>>43805976>those aren't real ya faketroonanon I know genderqueer people who surgically transitioned before some people on this board were born. neopronouns and all.
>>43808737>That's not a ladyboyWord for transgender, just different word retard.
>>43809076don't put babykat on a big body
>>43809177ladyboy = hststransgender women = AGP
>>43809177It's not a tranny, i posted this image somewhere like a day ago.
>>43809206>>43809201Ladyboy=person describing tgirl, when not having knowledge of politically correct term
>>43809226>politically correct termAll right who wants to be politically correct?
>>43809179It's not her.
>>43809241West. Also anyone with dignity. It is used as condescending word to get through a barrier of understanding so they don't get hate crimed.
>>43809282>It is used as condescending word to get through a barrier of understanding so they don't get hate crimedWho is it and what is going to get hate crime
>>43808846Yes, I've seen her on Facebook.. she's never on here
>>43805514Poor little babykat
>>43805514>there was a time where hrt was illegal for poor people, anon>you know how extremely based that is, right?>yes daddy government, you decide what i get to put in my body>fuck poor "people"
>>43805514return to monke
>>43809369Tourist, anyone who thought they were a cis girl. Overall backwards thinking country. Do you have even critical thinking ability, cuz it seems you don't
>>43808404I feel that way about a lot of my transition. Like for me passing is sort of the point, but I know that's not attainable for everyone, and as long as they're not gamestophonmoding or something I don't feel like people with different goals actually affect me.Fuck the "stereotypical behaviors" nonsense though or the obsession with career choices and such. There's a fine line between excluding misguided fetishistic men and just being outright sexist.And homophobic. Don't forget homosexuality was considered a mental disorder back then.>>43805514Gatekeeping is dumb though. And I say that as someone who never consistently passed as male: 4'11.5" with a narrow frame, hips proportionate to shoulders, and with a high voice despite fully completing puberty. In a lot of ways a prime candidate.Despite all of that because of metabolic issues dramatically improved by estrogen I would have looked absolutely terrible in a lot of women's clothes.I went on informed consent hormones, boymoded until I couldn't anymore (the facade failed completely by 10 months in, even with a slow hormone ramp), then socially transitioned.
>>43810515>>43805514why stop there lets go even farther back when if you weren't born a woman you had no right to be one and transsexuality wasn't even a thing in society
>>43805514pedophiles should not be empowered over gay peoples bodies
>>43813733What, again, is the origin of the word "pederast?"
>>43813768the overwhelming majority of gay men are bottomsthe overwhelming majority of tops are bisexualthe people we consistently encounter as molesters when were younger all seem to possess a very similar pattern of sexual desiretransition is bottom liberation, and bottom liberation is anti-pedophile action
>>43812757>why stop there lets go even farther back when if you weren't born a woman you had no right to be one and transsexuality wasn't even a thing in societyIn the part of the US that I'm in, these are some records from first contact with Spanish priests and soldiers in the 1700s."I have substantial evidence that those Indian men who, both here and farther inland, areobserved in the dress, clothing, and character of women—there being two or three such in each village—pass as sodomites by profession (it being confirmed that all these Indians are much addicted to this abominable vice) and permit the heathen to practice the execrable, unnatural abuse of their bodies. They are called joyas, and are held in great esteem...we place our trust in God and expect that these accursed people will disappear with the growth of the missions.""Among the gentile [Indian] women (who always worked separately and without mixing with the men) there was one who, by the dress, which was decorously worn, and by the heathen headdress and ornaments displayed, as well as the manner of working, sitting, etc., had all the appearances of a woman, but judging by the face and the absence of breasts, though old enough for that, they concluded that he must be a man, but that he passed himself off always for a woman and always went with them and not the men. Taking off his aprons they found that he was more ashamed than if he really had been a woman.""The priests were advised that two pagans had gone into one of the houses of the neophytes, one in his natural raiment, the other dressed as a woman. Immediately the missionary, with the corporal and a soldier, went to the house...there they found the two in an unspeakably sinful act. They punished them, although not so much as deserved. The priest tried to present to them the enormity of their deed. The pagan replied that that joya was his wife...along the Channel of Santa Barbara...many joyas are found."
>>43814214imagine reading or believing christian mumbo jumbo they're just making shit up to justify conversion or killing or whatever
>>43814791>imagine reading or believing christian mumbo jumbo>they're just making shit up to justify conversion or killing or whateverThey were already doing that. The mission system involved rounding up and forcibly converting indigenous people en masse, the goal was basically total ethnocide and Catholic conversion (including for joyas, who were made to wear their idea of sex-appropriate clothing on punishment of death). They came in with that as a goal and were pretty reliable about what they saw otherwise, according to historians, including indigenous people from surviving families. there was not much reason to lie. Every person they encountered was already a heathen.You can check the mission registers all over the state and see the gender/sex of people brought in, and see how many people they marked down from this group. It's a lot.
