Body hair distribution is just like woman in picrel, except I (white) have a little hair around my nipples. Apparently this is a sign of mild androgen insensitivity syndrome?
cais are phenotypically male
some men just don't have a lot of body hair but if you have other features like hypogonadism
>>43810871I thought cais was phenotypically female, and mais was male, with pais more ambiguous? I have male sex organs.
You have low T, that's all really
>>43810857probably not but idk. I didnt start growing armpit hair until 18 and the happy trail hair until 22, some people are just late I guess.
>>43810887you have been lied to, cais are more feminized, but still have some male features because chromosomes cause masculinization without sex hormones functioning
>>43810871>>43810902shut up gincel
>>43810901It's interesting because my dad is pretty hairy and my younger brother has chest hair and such.
>>43810936yeah my older brother was way hairier even when he was younger, I didnt have low test either.
>>43810857I am similar, thin lanky build close to two meters at 65kg, no hair on my torso at all, only light hair on arms (equal or less than some women), armpits and crotch grow hair, and legs from the hip down are extremely hairy. Would have thought myself inter/mais or something, but I do have facial hair (only upper lip and chin, but dark and coarse), fully functional male genitalia of average/above size and a dropped voice. When I started questioning if I was trans I got worked up about this a lot, but then I considered that it truly doesn't matter if there is a name/diagnosis for me. I was still too masculine for my preference, but had good starting conditions for my personal goals. Everything a doctor could have told me would have at best be diagnosis without consequence, my body being weird, or a deficiency "treated" with more testosterone. I decided that I do not care. I won't medicalize myself more than necessary. My body is my body, and it does what it does. There are no contraindications for Estradiol, and DIY works great so far.
>>43811005Yeah i feel the same way, i suppose I think about it because I would feel more valid if I was intersex i guess. Definitely don't want supplemental T shots.
>>43810936why have you seen your brother's nipples......
>>43811108>why have you seen your family member shirtless???
>>43811108He's a dude who walks around shirtless sometimes? Have you ever gone swimming?
>>43811108>t. has literally never interacted with an amab apparently
i had a female hair pattern too, but even less because i didnt have any armpit hair at all, until 24 yo where i suddenly got armpit hair, a landing strip and some chest hair. my balls have also always been weirdly small and my sperm count was bad. im also basically built like a girl of my height. all this despite a very average T level, so maybe there is some intersex stuff going on. or maybe not, since i also had very strong beard growth and started to get hairloss in my early twenties. who knows and ultimately who cares, what matters is going through a succesful transition regardless of starting point>>43811005intelligent post
>>43810887>I thought cais was phenotypically femaleYou thought correctly >>43810902You are lying for no reason
>>43810857The chance is higher that you just have finngol ancestry
>>43811189Am Swedish/Norwegian, maybe I have some
>>43810887its gincel, ignore him
>>43810887>I thought cais was phenotypically female Only externally. They have internal atrophied testicles and no uterus nor ovaries. Because they are XY, not completely female.
>>43813778>Only externally Guess what phenotype means
>>43813792Internal organs and other body parts, biological trais and also physiological and biochemichal properties can be observed and they are all part of your phenotype. Phenotype is like the expression of your genes in practical life, the decoding of your genetic "recipe" into reality. Not only your external features and appearance.
>>43813882There's genotype and phenotype. The genotype is about your genes and the phenotype is the expression of those genes. For example, you could have the genes to be tall, but you could still grow up to be short due to lack of nutrients in your childhood. In this case, you have a short phenotype while still having "tall genes." Does this make the person "actually tall"? No, they are phenotypically short. So even if someone has a male genotype, they can still have a female phenotype. Literally basic biology.
>>43813940this seems like an oversimplification. it’s not “short phenotype” or “tall phenotype”. in this situation the gonads are very clearly not phenotypically female, so it wouldn’t make sense to say that the individual is phenotypically female with no qualifiers. something like maybe “externally” would seem to do the job
>>43814118The phenotype includes things beyond "no ovaries = not a female phenotype." You can lack one female phenotype trait while having others to make up for it
>>43810857yeah i kinda wonder if i had it too. despite my t being 1700 pre-hrt, my voice barely deepened and i effortlessly sound like a cis woman without any voice training. as well my hair distro is super weak. light armpit hair, arm and chest hair are vellus outside of like a tiny patch around my belly button. basically i was about as developed as a 14-15 year old boy typically would be (arguably even less) despite being 19. my shoulder (16.5 in bidelt) + underbust (33in) are pretty rough for my height tho (5'6") which keeps me from being a full on gigapassoid.
>Examples of MAIS phenotypes include isolated infertility (oligospermia or azoospermia),[5][7] mild gynecomastia in young adulthood, decreased secondary terminal hair, high pitched voice, or minor hypospadias repair in childhood.[1][25] The external male genitalia (penis and scrotum) are otherwise normal in individuals with MAIS.[1][5][6][9] Never got to test my fertility, but other than that I check all the boxes
>>43811157>im also basically built like a girl of my height. all this despite a very average T level>i also had very strong beard growth and started to get hairloss in my early twentiesDitto, I have the bone structure, fat and muscle distribution of a woman with pear shaped body and extremities the size of cisf my height, alongside being short, but I started balding at 17 and grew strong facial hair, but above my navel the only body hair is very sparse or light in colour, the only hairy parts being arms legs and pubic area,but mainly it was hell trying to conform to male body standards when the gym and weight just exacerbated the problems, im curious if I have a condition of sorts but I doesnt matter now like you say
>>43810857https://files.catbox.moe/gj00oe.jpgProbably will regret posting but this is me irl. Sorry I'm fat.
>>43810857the man in picrel is probably hairier than like 90% of guys tho. I’m like, between the two somewhere on the lower end
>>43814670idk why you posted yourself here, but i had a pretty similar hair growth pattern before transitioning. could def see MAIS, but i'm not a doctor so idk (hell idk if i have it lol). also sorry if it's a sore subject, but you really do need to lose weight. trust me here, you'll look 10x better and you'll feel better about yourself.
>>43813940Read again what I said. >>43813882 Phenotype is not only external appearance. It encompasses your entire body, all your internal parts, organs, and systems, your physiological processes, biochemical reactions, etc.
>>43810857How old are you? This depends on age. A lot of male body hair doesn't happen until mid-20s for some. t. Lateshit italihon genes made me spontaneously develop moid hair in my 20s before I trooned out
>>43814840Female phenotype is more than just ovaries. Now seethe and cope or apologize for being stupid and wrong
>>43810857>no hair on shaftlol nordcucks
>>4381485321, but brother is 18 with a lot more hair. Maybe its coming, hopefully will be on hrt before then
>>43810857lol why does the dude have bottom gay leather harness shaped chest hair
>>43814943Who has hair on the shaft?? Wtf??
>>43814958true men, that is meds and other monke-adjacentsit's how nature deals with our eleventy inch pps, the woman starts complaining too much after the first 9 are in and it starts to get hairy
>>43814946My sibling got hair at an earlier age than I did but it didn't stop me from aping outDefinitely start asap if that's what you want to do
>>43814965I can't imagine having piv sex with hair on the shaft
>>43815253>9 inches are not enoughlay off the bad dragons nona jeez
>>43814137the ovaries aren’t missing, the gonads literally developed into testes instead
>>43810857i have body hair like the figure on the left
>>43811108she likes her little brother and wants to top him i think
>>43817085So again not having ovaries isn't the only thing that makes your phenotype male or female. It doesn't solely depend on it. Hopefully you get it now
>>43817120Yeah that's the impression I got too........
