>>43814228
you don't have it if you have to ask

>>43814368
True trans people just innately know they’re supposed to be the opposite sex and can never be confused about it

help

>>43814228
You can still be trans and self loathing even if you mask it. Many of us do.

>gender dysphoria
>self loathing cis man
same thing

>>43814368
>>43815262
which one is it now?

we may never know and i will stay stuck in this paralysis

>>43816657
this paralysis will be the death of me

>>43814228
I've asked this a million times and I don't think anyone knows. The general vibe is if you don't know for sure your trans by the time you're like 5 years old then you're probably not really trans but idk

bump

>>43814228
if you're asking then you're not

>>43818788
Nobody really knows at that age and it's more hindsight. The term is just that. A term. At that age it's closer to behaviors and a sort of monkey see, monkey do. I was closer to a tomboy in that regard since I wanted to be like other girls and enjoyed things that were at the time strictly considered girl things but found myself socially attracted toward boys. Infact that was most of my friendships in my teens since I made an adequate stand in girlfriend. I didn't repress or hate myself for being gay and jumped right to it when I discovered that was a thing but it was just a small piece of the puzzle.

>>43814368
>>43814526
>>43821814
I expected this answer, but it's still a very unfortunate one to me

>>43814228
Try estrogen. If you like it, there's your answer.

>>43822455
How do I know whether I like estrogen or not?
I can very well imagine a scenario where I lie to myself that I like it, just so I don't have to be who I currently am

>>43814228
Cut yer balls off

>>43822631
The truth is that if you are already heavily dissociated , you will continue to be dissociated. You will not know if you like the results because you will not know what your body is supposed to look like or what you feel about any changes.
From there you will convince yourself that you like the changes and hate the male parts of your body because that's how your mind has to convince you not to kill yourself. At this point it is indistinguishable from real dysphoria except for the onset time of symptoms and lack of identity.

>>43822664
This actually perfectly describes me wth
>You will not know if you like the results because you will not know what your body is supposed to look like or what you feel about any changes.
Check. I literally feel nothing and I can't even imagine what it must be like to feel like one's body is supposed to look a certain way
>From there you will convince yourself that you like the changes and hate the male parts of your body because that's how your mind has to convince you not to kill yourself
Also check. I really feel like I only keep going because otherwise I just wouldn't know what to do, even if my actions only seem to make everything worse
>At this point it is indistinguishable from real dysphoria except for the onset time of symptoms and lack of identity.
It has to be wholly different from actual real dysphoria though, right? Like, there's no way that this also can count as dysphoria.
I literally just have no identity. That's almost certainly all there is to it

>>43822664
nta but is there any way to fix this?

>>43822656
...now?

>>43814228
who cares, do estrogen and bica and see if you like it (don't waste time on spiro if you don't have to)

>>43823601
I asked this above, but how I know whether I like estrogen? >>43822631

>>43822829
I wish I knew

op, ignore the stupid bullshit about needing to identify as a woman by whatever age and not committing certain thought crimes to qualify.

identity labels are just prefabricated stories we can use to explain our experience, both to ourselves, both to others. identity labels that seem like the best fit change as we get to better grasp our experience. an important factor in that is just whether we even feel safe enough to explore these questions, and whether we feel legitimate taking on a label socially.

think of your experience instead of the labels. think of whether you feel a sense of self through your body, or whether you feel a sense of alienation and disinterest. think of whether you would find it easier to be fully there if your body were that of a woman.

being on hormones for a month or so is not going to do much that is irreversible. being on hormones does set you on a trajectory to your body changing, and that will probably make you feel things that help clarify.

you don't need certainty to try this, just a sense that a part of you wants to explore this. you may feel good or may feel bad but that isn't the full answer. you need to consider what part of it relates to your body, and what part of it relates to your apprehensions about transition making life more difficult.

>>43824258
>think of whether you feel a sense of self through your body, or whether you feel a sense of alienation and disinterest. think of whether you would find it easier to be fully there if your body were that of a woman.
What if I can only imagine feeling wholly alienated by my body no matter what?
>and that will probably make you feel things that help clarify
What if it doesn't?
>you need to consider what part of it relates to your body, and what part of it relates to your apprehensions about transition making life more difficult
I feel like they're much more entwined than they seem at first glance

bump. How does one fix this >>43822664?

>>43825659
bump. please help

>>43825047
No offense, but have you seen some type of psychiatrist or doctor about this? This sounds like something beyond just gender dysphoria, and I don't think random people on the internet are going to be much help.

im ugly as a guy and recently been really wanting to become a girl, dunno if its because of bad self esteem or if i actually want to. didnt really think about it when i was a kid, other than mild discontent from having body/facial hair young,,,

>>43827204
You sound trans to me. I'm op btw

>>43827353
i will never pass either way so

>>43827184
I have brought it up to a therapist before, but we didn't really focused on it much. I feel like I can't properly explain my situation, so I just end up sounding like a weird guy overthinking everything

>>43827380
Maybe try writing it down somewhere and showing them that. I also have problems expressing my thoughts especially when I feel under pressure or scrutiny, writing them out might help.

>>43814228
If you loath yourself specifically for being a cis man, then you are transgender.

>>43827517
is there really nothing more to it?
not op

>>43827618
yes

>>43822710
>>43822829
fwiw i was heavily dissociated and estrogen cured it for me, i went from numb to being able to feel. i was quite emotionally unstable for the first few months but i learnt (learning) to feel and manage feelings in a body and mind i now love

>>43814228
im such a lagomorph fml

>>43814228
I took estrogen and now I’m 100% sure I’m just a self loathing cis man