99% of social problems related to trans stuff would stop if we just banned <25 transition for AFABs and banned >18 transition for AMABs.
>>43856551truth nuke
>>43856551no, that's gay, they've openly stated they want to ban it for everyone at any age and demand conformity or deathstop tolerating faith
>>43856564Some people want to ban it for everyone at any age, but not a majority of people, and lots of people can be swayed either way.The testimonies of detransitioners is driving a lot of people to be anti-trans that weren't that way before. The amount of people who support trans stuff has gone down in the past several years.People don't like the idea of vulnerable girls undergoing FTM transitions then regretting it. And teenage girls are the main ones who have been hopping on the trans trend.AMABs on the other hand are seen as bad by society when they're hons. Pretty=good, ugly/manish=bad in the world of MTFs and society.I think young MtFs can be trusted to make a decision when they're young, or should even be encouraged into it, as /repgen/ is 90% mtfreppers and /femrepgen/ is hardly on this board as much. Every mtf complains about being destroyed by testosterone. But most FTMs can pass with T even if they start later in life.This is just about creating the best outcome for the greatest number of people statistically.
>>43856604>Some peopleTHE people driving the anti-trans movement, yesstop being shitty
>>43856611the majority (or at least a plurality) of people are able to be swayed to either side on every trans issue for each trans issue.Creating more FtMtF traumatized detrans girls and brutish MtHons is gonna sink the whole movement.
>>43856644the majority of people who are being swayed against the existence of trans people are being manipulated by a literally fucking evil minority in a pseudo-religious ethnonationalist capitalist death cultI always have to assume this kind of gatekeeping pickmeism bullshit is bait, but idk I've seen the divide and conquer approach work too well
>>43856676This isn't bait, I'm literally just right.>people are being manipulated by a literally fucking evil minority in a pseudo-religious ethnonationalist capitalist death cultYeah and the ammunition those people are using are mtf rapehons and FtMtF detrans traumagirls.I don't understand why any mention of "if we do this differently we won't fucking lose everything" is met with "NEVER COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT'LL NEVER WORK" in the trans community. EVERY movement that EVER existed in ANY context that was successful included in itself some self-regulation, some strategy, some concession, some something.I've literally convinced former self-identifying terfs and a neo-nazi that trans people are actually real because I was willing to play the field. Sticks in the mud like you are sinking us.
>>43856724retard
>>43856734okay anon, how would you convince someone who's on the fence about trans stuff but turned anti-trans because of "men in women's sports, lockerooms, prisons, and rape shelters" and "groomed girls being mutilated at 13" that they should support those things, actually?I mean, you're the smart one, after all.
>>43856551At least you picked an appropriate character to post your bullshit with
>>43856785what's bullshit about it?Yeah it's kinda memey but the core of it stands.
>>43856764by exposing the source and dishonest nature of the rhetoric
>>43856819I don't think that strategy is working very well.
>>43856836who is trying it?
>>43856764nta but I've had success with the neurological intersex condition argument. It didnt win the sports debate but it did win the right to transition debateturns out they do want to help people with medical conditions, they just don't know it's immutable
>>43856796Because it's just regulating other peoples' lives because the way they live is uncomfortable to normies and is also blatantly misogynistic by continuing infantalizing ftm. It's just ROGD rhetoric posed as societal aid
Should also be a requirement to voice train for MTFs. And all around more gatekeeping.Get rid of Self-ID.Trannies need to stop dragging other groups into their bullshit as well.>>43856895> Misogynistic.I'm sorry but by this board's logic, wouldn't it be misandrist because they're supposed to be men?
>>43856885basedthe sports thing is... touchy, because sports is already unfairly based on innate biological advantages, and on a case by case basis some people who are amab and spent years on testosterone are gonna have some edge up - but then, do you apply that same scrutiny to normal-ass afab biohole cisfoid wombyn who just have a little extra t? what about pcos? what about swyer syndrome xy freaks who have never had anything but normal cis ranges of sex hormones and went through female puberty?
>>43856993>normal-ass afab biohole cisfoid wombyn>swyer syndrome xy freaksmtfs try not to ooze misogyny challenge: impossibleOf course you're the same poster who refuses to compromise on anything.
>>43857003sweaty we're on 4chan and I'm a moidbeast on hrt, calm your tittieswe can be a little edgy or irreverent here if we want without detracting from the material point
>>43856966>all around more gatekeepingwhy? where is the evidence, or even reasonable hypothetical basis, to suggest this would have a net positive outcome? the people who are pushing this shit literally do not want trans people to exist at all
>>43856885"just stay away from the kids"is what most people disagree on at the end of the day even if they accept some people are trans. And they'd gladly give up every single trans right to protect the children.>>43856895Listen, if we don't ban transitioning for AFAB minors, then the only alternative is we ban transitioning for AFAB and AMAB minors. There's no world in which detransitioners who got surgery at 13 can exist and trans rights can not lose.You can tell me why it's only FtMtFs who are in the news and paraded in every conservative forum where they discuss rolling back trans rights. But the truth is, the AMABs just aren't crying into the camera about how their life was ruined by estrogen, AFABs are doing that with T though.It is what it is.
>>43857017>picrel
>>43857039disgusting bootlicking behavior doing the work of your oppressors for them
>>43857036Maybe it's that literally every single person who has said something trans critical in the past 5 years has mentioned the number 1 things that they dislike are:1. transing the kids2. self-ID3. sportshonsHave you even listened to the opposing side at all...? Like even tactically?
>>43856551>ftm 25<Kys. Unless you allow DIYers, in which case kys but less
>>43857112have you lifted a finger, cognitively, to consider or explore the source or nature of that rhetoric? clearly not
>>43856551>99% of the problems would go away if we just appeased cissies>for real this timeWe had this shit put into our laps lol its genuinely nothing any tranny didIt was gays gays gays in the 70s through the 2000s but people realized being gay is whatever. But we still needed a queer to blame, because we cant change being gay or trans or lesbian or whatever the fuck.
>>43857103being fodder for the "SJW owned" content mill doesn't help our case sis.>>43857118If you don't have the wherewithall to diy then you don't have the wherewithall to decide to transition. There are more faketrans FtNBs/FtMtFs then there are actual FtMs at this point. I don't think it's ideal either but it's what we have to do.
>>43857088>kiwifag>crying about "m-muh miwogynyyy"Do you post cp too? You fill out a perfect stereotype
>>43857036Your entire movement is ran by people who aren't actually trans an/or trans people who have no social awareness or ability to speak to people about their problems and look for solutions.It is nothing but entitlement and trying to destroy people who have differing opinions without seeking some sort of compromise. You must get what YOU want.Nobody cares about trannies, it's the kind of person that you are trans. What the world sees is a bunch of rabid fucking performative retards.You're not persecuted, you're just more than likely a piece of shit that acts like a child rather than handling things like an adult.
itt people forgot about picrel
>>43857139Actually I have. That's why I'm proposing something that'd actually work instead of just shouting names and insults around like you.
>>43857165huh? what is my "movement?"
>>43857168no you haven't lol you're just trying to kowtow to your oppressors, you're disgusting (assuming you aren't just here to stir shit and have le epic deb8)
All I do is scream from the rooftops how desperately I crave to sterilize white school children by the millions, why are the right wing meanies so butthurt? Maybe it's because of this cherry picked example of an autistic cosplayer at a fighting game tournament. I mean so what if a few white kids never have children, the earth is overpopulated anyway, why does it matter?
>>43857112>transing the kidsSigh>self IDWe did this for years before the recent trans panic>sportshonsAbove. Renee Richards is the earliest I can think of. And theyre pissed theyre dominating womens sports but literally, where are theyAnd what about that wrestler kid who was forced to compete as a female cuz hes a trans man, and phobes took that and ran with it as if he was a trans woman?Cissies are retarded and appeasing does nothing for you. Sports is the only thing I can see even having a reasonable stance on but its not very convincing.
>>43857161I don't even know what you mean I'm not from new zealand I saved that picture from here.You're probably revealing something about your own self if I had to bed.Also,>>crying about "m-muh miwogynyyy"So you like to minimize misogyny and mock people calling it out? Wow, very womanlike!That's sarcasm if you couldn't tell, you ooze male-socialization and that's simply a fact proven by your behavior unlike your cp allegations that are mere conjecture and projection meant to defend your ego after being called out.
>>43857176You keep saying the same thing over and over again, are you well? Do you think if you call me a bootlicker enough times it'll suddenly become true?
>>43857172If that's your answer, you are precisely the problem tranny archetype I am referring to.
>>43857191Explain to me how normies are supposed to just not care about a 13 year old getting their breasts removed and developing fatty liver disease from "gender affirming care" then coming to regret it at 17 on?>it's not happening!!!!yes, yes it is.
>>43857210you are victim blaming, what's not to get?>>43857228no answer, got it, thanks!
>>43857195>it doesn't even know what it postsJesus, what degree of tourism this is?You posted a Kiwifarms meme, a site known for cp, stalking 15yos, pseudofeminism and seething over trannies. Something you fit perfectly btw
>>43857191> Sigh.https://www.justice.gov/usao-ut/media/1437151/dl?inlineRead this and give me your opinion on what the goal was here.
>>43857233>yes it is200 patients in 7 years, with a median age of 16This is often done when they attempt to lop their own breasts off. So, to prevent them killing themselves with DIY Top surgery, they go ahead with the procedure.Its exhausting here
>>43857261You can't seriously claim to be a victim because of 4chan words on a computer screen.
>>43857280I don't think any reasonable reading of anything I have said would indicate I was attempting to, wtf are you talking aboutI am talking about a dedicated movement to take away the rights of trans people
>>43857263I mean, you're the one who knows about all that shit, not me. Kinda sus, but yeah, keep projecting.>Dude that's our super sekret pedophile dogwhistle!Ummn... okay?
>>43857277>it's not happening>okay it is but it's only 200 and it's a good thingStay away from the kids.
>>43857292And that movement is winning the hearts and minds of average people because of uncompromising trans activist types like yourself.
>>43857326substantiate your claim
>>43857276>these schizos represent all tranniesIm so tired.
>>43857277What is exhausting is omitting the source and being disingenuous about the ages and reasons for procedure. They weren't getting these to not kill themselves with DIY, stop lying you fuck.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9555285/
>>43857331I never said that.I said, "Read this and give me your opinion on what the goal was here."If it is too difficult for your HRT-addled brain just say so.
>>43857307Where do you think trans adults come from
>>43857357John 50, father of 6 kids, will transition whether or not ftms chop their tits off at 14. Why are underaged mastectomies such an important subject for activists?
>>43857355 The goal was to give their young daughter gender affirming care lolToo young? Yeah probably but i dont know these ppl. Stealing someone's child is awful. Not the first time a parent has stolen a child, trannies arent exceptional for this>>43857400Median age 16 btw. But yeah I agree, maybe we should reserve surgeries for adults? But im not their dr, im not their therapist, im not their parents
>>43857433>i dont know them or their case and im not their doctor but i know for a fact the mastectomy was justified and prevented suicide
>>43857433I disagree, this to me is quite exceptional. When is the last time you've ever heard of someone doing this? Yes, children get kidnapped and custody bullshit happens.But to take a 10 year old out of the country and get the "gender affirming care"? How do we get to this point where people think this okay(obviously they knew it wasn't okay hence the secrecy)? This is a honest question.
>>43857330literally just google "TRA"
>>43857497>just believe my baseless terf rhetoriclmao
>>43857506arguments refuted: 0
>>43857522what argument have you made with any basis whatsoever? I'm not refuting shit, I'm just calling out empty rhetoric
>>43857526see>>43856604
>>43857554and where is the basis for these assertions? it's circular
>>43857564no it's not, everything I said is true. Just cause you don't want to engage with it doesn't make it false.
>>43857602prove it then lol
>>43857614https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYJQQMU-DDE
I will never pass. That’s why I manmode. You can’t even tell I’m on HRT so I’m not a disruption to the general public
>>43857619>watch my victim-blaming terf rhetoricyawnwhere's the proof?
>>43857634>where's the proof>here's the proof>where's the proofI see you've chosen cope.
>>43857630all mtfs should be given hrt at the start of puberty and those that don't should qualify for MAID.
>>43857675Why? I don’t want to die.
>>43857690yes you do.
>>43857699Holy shit, this TERF is an omnipotent god that can programs thoughts via brainwave for me to think I should kill myself.I’m on HRT. Ain’t shit you can do about it. I identify as a male and you will never notice me IRL. Estrogen will not be locked behind pussy privilege.
>>43857651what part of that video proves your claim? in your own words
>>43856551it is not feasible to do thattestosterone and estrogen are inherently too useful to enforce a total ban on them, and you can't have them available for cis people and approved transitions only without them being diverted to non-compliant trans people
>>43857742all of it
>>43857726no one cares bro.
>>43857753Women shouldn’t have rights you dumb bitch. If a man wants to become a woman he should be able to because men are superior to women and given a god given right to do anything and men have intrinsic value over women.
>>43857778>t. every mtf's true beliefsexplain to me why we should handmaiden your fetish?
>>43857789Your sex is submissive to men. We’re the one with guns and strength to beat you up.Anyway my first comment is the same shit TERFS argue just mirrored, that women have a god given value over men.
>>43857789>>43857806And you won’t do shit about it, cis men are superior to you. Go the back fuck to terf island please.
>>43857806Nobody is arguing that women have a god given value over men, feminism is literally just about equality.Doesn't it trigger your dysphoria or something to be serving such toxic male aggro vibes?
>>43857486It would not have been performed if the doctor didnt think this was the best for the patient. These procedures on this population are 0.1% of 1%. I dont know each of these patients, but I do know how practicing medicine tends to work.>>43857494Yeah its pretty batshit anon. Idk why they thought this was the best thing to do. Maybe they wouldnt have been stolen off to another country if this country wasnt so adamant on taking our healthcare, at all ages.I feel bad for the daughter, for the other mother.
>>43857820First off cis women are inferior not equal. Secondly, I actually have less anger and will to carry out violence since starting HRT, I’m just putting TERFs in their place.
>>43857753I don't see it, idk, just seems like more empty rhetoricdetransitioners deserve compassion and support but they're also a very tiny minority of an already tiny minority being exploited by fundamentalists and grifters
>>43857843gross
>>43857836>if the doctor didnt think this was the best for the patient. ok so medical wrongdoing doesnt exist. And if a doctor decides to withhold hrt or surgeries you will accept that and never accuse anyone of gatekeeping or conversion therapy.
>>43857818>>43857843>why do women not want to share spaces with us
>>43857867Your ability to have “private spaces” is given by cis men. You’re at the mercy of cis men so don’t act like a bitch.And no, personally I don’t give a fuck about female spaces. I don’t have any interest in women. I only want to talk to other men.
99% of social problems would stop if we just banned AFABs
This entire thread is just proof that MtFs are fundamentally misogynistic.
>>43857862You seem to be under the impression that the majority of these surgeries are wrongdoing when the regret rates are in fact, very very low. Lower than nearly if not every other cosmetic surgery.
>>43857906Yes. But that’s because cis women shouldn’t have rights. Stay mad foid, why don’t you go back to the kitchen?
>>43857884You don't pass.LOL!
>>43857918I'm mtf.
>>43857923I’m not trans just a cis man on HRT
>>43857962cope
>>43857923It’s okay for cis men to look like women, even if they take HRT, but since they are not cis women they are superior. Men are superior to women.
>>438579121. Regret rates are always ”measured” in retarded ways and no activist has ever accurately represented a study of regret rates.2. Regret rates have little to do with whether the procedures are medically necessary. If a person believes an intervention was life-saving they will hardly express regret anyway even if the belief is false. What’s the regret rate for blood transfusions? Depends on if you ask jehovah’s witnesses or not. That has no bearing on whether we need blood to survive.
>>43857983you know acting this way is just hurting yourself right?Like I'm actually kinda concerned for you.
>>43858003How am I hurting myself by admitting my fellow men’s superiority?
>>43858000>little to do with medical necessityGods, you sound like my health insurance.
>>43858033You don't actually believe what you're saying you're just saying them in reaction out of exasperation.
>>43858046I bet it mind fucks you to know that moids who believe they are superior are taking your place.
>>43858046And to be clear I’m not violent against cis women. HRT makes me calm irl, I really am not aggressive anymore in real life which is nice
>>43858003Then what would you recommend I do?
Shit, I’ve got it. We should all be pacified by being given estrogen so we’re no longer aggressive. It will be like earth in Blake’s 7.
>>43858091turn off 4chan.
>>43856551>when the autogynephile wants to control my body
>>43856551Shut the fuck up, fed
>>43856819The problem is that it isn't dishonest. While you might ascribe ulterior motives to why they're disseminating the information, the information being disseminated is true.So going "Here is where it's coming from!!" is completely ineffective because they'll just respond "But it's true though isn't it?"
>>43858804misrepresenting the proportional rate (and degree) of regret and detransition to characterize all gender-affirming care as abuse or mutilation is objectively dishonest
>>43858819You're not getting it. They don't have to misrepresent anything. They just need to say "This is objectively and truthfully happening" and people will say "That's fucked up, what is wrong with these people."
>>43858946but that's not what's happening lol
>>43857836>Idk why they thought this was the best thing to do. Maybe they wouldnt have been stolen off to another country if this country wasnt so adamant on taking our healthcare, at all ages.So you'd be cool with the 10 year old getting his cock chopped off, as long as it happened in America and not Cuba?This is why trans optics are bombing insanely hard. If you told the average person that, they'd be appalled and think you're an insane freak.
>>43858952It is, yes. And also, "b-but it doesn't happen as much as you might think!" is not an effective argument.
>>43858960>cock chopped offFuck, no, thats not what gender affirming care for youth even is. Bottom surgery is reserved for adults.
>>43858980it's literally not, I mean can you show me examples of people describing what IS happening without dressing it up in rhetoric and using it to attack a whole minority?
>>43858993You're still not getting it. It doesn't matter if they're bombastic about it or not. What matters is that it's true.
>>43859018what I'm saying is that it's notplease learn to read
I wonder if I would have transitioned sooner if it wasn't allowed after 18. I knew I was trans but experience very little sense of urgency as a result of learning disorder and may have delayed my transition for this reason
>>43859033You're attempting to say it's not true because it's not occurring as much as people may think or purportedly portray it as. Except that is retarded. It's still true.
>>43858988Any adult that is a virgin or autistic should not be allowed bottom surgery
>>43859058ok, then let's be really clear: what are you saying is true? top surgery on minors happens, and a tiny minority of them are dissatisfied with the results or have regrets?
>>43859077I'm not the original anon but what you responded to was >how would you convince someone who's on the fence about trans stuff but turned anti-trans because of "men in women's sports, lockerooms, prisons, and rape shelters" and "groomed girls being mutilated at 13" that they should support those things, actually?These things are factually true and do factually, objectively, occur.
>>43859104trans women are not men and I don't believe there are any documented cases of "groomed" 13-year-olds getting top surgery (which is not mutilation)see my point?
>>43859119>trans women are not menKEK. This will be your response to outraged normies about women getting raped in prison by mtfs or mtfs in womens sports is "uhhhm akshully they're not men!"Yeah buddy, good luck with that. Like I said, this is why trans optics are getting turbo nuked. Because of retards like you.
Thank god I can get DIY HRT. I ordered years of supply of estradiol. I have autism and have told no one I am taking HRT. I manmode forever.
>>43859133and once again there is not even an attempt to establish a basis for these assertions lol
>>43859133If I went to male prison after years of man modding on HRT would I be at risk of getting raped? I don’t want to lose my virginity involuntarily.
>>43859168>Karen White was on remand for multiple rapes and other sexual offences against women when she transferred to New Hall prison, near Wakefield.>Last week it emerged that after transferring to the female prison, she was accused of four sexual assaults against other inmates between September and November last year, before being moved to a men’s prison.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/09/sexual-assaults-in-womens-prison-reignite-debate-over-transgender-inmates-karen-white
>>43859232You didn’t answer my question. I’m an autistic virgin boymoder, do you what they do in the US in male prisons with people like us?
>>43859265Probably stretch that cute little bussy wide open.
>>43859232>this is why trans optics are getting turbo nukedis the assertion I am disputing
>>43859282Why wouldn't it be. Your argument is summarized as "uhm they aren't men". If you cannot understand why this is completely ineffective that is simply further proof of my assertion.
>>43859309why would it be? where is the evidence that suggests it is, and that it's not any shred of negativity that can be found being hyped up into misrepresentative anti-trans rhetoric by bad faith actors?my only "argument" is that you're not providing any basis for your claim
>>43859332>STILL not getting itThey're spreading information, true information, hyped up or not. You then need to respond to that. And your response is to weakly stammer "t-they aren't men.."
>>43859348>just pretend that this misrepresentation and rhetoric is valid and debate on bad faith termsno
>>43859355I already addressed that as ineffective.>They just need to say "This is objectively and truthfully happening" and people will say "That's fucked up, what is wrong with these people.">b-but they act like it happens more often than it doesDoesn't matter. Even if you spend the time to try and whittle down the occurrence rate all you do is provide more proof that it does happen.>heh, you said it happens 1:100, but actually it's only 1:10,000, here is my concrete proof!>"So, it is undeniably happening then?"
>>43859409once again: establish that this is why the anti-trans movement has swayed people, and that it's not the rhetoricyou have not even attempted to
>>43859424You're asking me to prove that the complete lack of an effective argument from the trans community contributes significantly to the falling of trans optics? That would be difficult to unequivocally prove or disprove. However, it's very easy to say it definitely is a part of it.It's odd you want to pin all the blame on these "heckin' bad actors" and pretend you, and the trans community, are utterly helpless and couldn't have possibly done anything, positively or negatively, to affect this utter shitstomping of trans optics.
>>43859471weird, it's like you just don't want to read
>>43859484I accept your concession.
>>43859490I concede nothingyou won't defend your claim that "trans optics" and the success of the movement against trans rights is actually due to not gatekeeping harder
>>43859500There hasn't been any gatekeeping. That's the overarching trans ideology. Everyone is heckin valid.
>>43859533I accept your lack of argument
>>43859540You're just coping now.>It's odd you want to pin all the blame on these "heckin' bad actors" and pretend you, and the trans community, are utterly helpless and couldn't have possibly done anything, positively or negatively, to affect this utter shitstomping of trans optics.
>>43856551i have an inalienable right to be an ugly gigahon freak and there's nothing you can do about itcry about it
>Dude, if we give the people that hate us an inch they definitely won't take a mile!Why do you guys even bother. You know it'll end with having your rights taken away too.
>>43859601>an inch they definitely won't take a mileNot an invalid perspective. However, what's the solution Continue with what clearly isn't effective? At least OP had an idea for attempting to limit optics damage.
>>43859638It's not limiting optics damage, you're just plainly taking rights away from people with an easily abusable system. You'd be effectively creating a system where you can squeeze everyone out over time by narrowing the requirements. Again, you're giving them an inch so they can go the mile a few years down the road.
>>43859687>It's not limiting optics damageIt definitely does.>a system where you can squeeze everyone out over time by narrowing the requirementsIt definitely could.
>>43859714No, it would because you're allowing the people who hate you to design, implement and control said system. Appeasement is not a solution.
>>43859721You're thinking emotionally and not critically. It objectively would limit optics damage a non-zero amount. And it definitely could be used to narrow requirements until essentially no one is allowed to transition. Both are true.
>>43859743Then it's not a solution. The lawmakers who would sign this ban into law aren't doing it to mitigate optics damage, they're doing it for strictly ideological reason. They want to lay the groundwork to legislate trans people out of existence.
>>43859779>Then it's not a solutionNever said it was. You're still thinking emotionally. Read what I write. I said it would limit optics damage, and it would. And that at least OP had an idea. I also said the current course is a failure.
>>43856551>Ban >18 transition for AMABsWe should ban posting for you forever OP regardless of age
>>43859805Your stance makes no sense. You think the current course is a failure but you're willing to entertain OP's idea that essentially paves the way for a severe abuse of rights all to limit optics damage? Like you DO understand that the only people who would sign this ban into law are your ideological opponenents right? Optics damage doesn't matter when you've given them a metaphorical gun.
>>43857276>MV 1 was born a male, however, identifies as a female child, which is largely believed to be due to manipulation by Rose Inessa-Ethington.>Concerns exist that MV 1 was transported to Cuba for gender reassignment surgery prior topuberty. this is a pretty remarkable level of weasel wording. who was concerned? why were they concerned? we're not told this. we're just told that "concerns exist", so that nobody actually has to take responsibility for making the objectively absurd accusation. it is "largely believed" that the kid's claims to be trans are a result of the trans parent's "manipulation". by whom is it believed? "family members". how many? which ones? what was their relationship to the kid? why would they be in a position to know that?
>>43859911The biological mother and her family, dumbass.>As alleged in court documents, interviews with the 10-year-old’s family provided significant concerns for the minor’s well-being, as the child was born male, however, identified as a female child, which family members largely believed to be due to manipulation by Rose. Concerns existed that the child was transported to Cuba for gender reassignment surgery prior to puberty.
>>43859873>but you're willing to entertain OP's ideaYes, why not? Entertaining something and looking at it is how one thinks critically.
>>43860808>family provided significant concerns>which family members largely believedagain this is just massive weaseling. none of this is quantified or even evidenced in any way. its just stated that some people think this is the truth, and then its taken as truth
>>43860834This is cope. You don't need to defend them just because they're trans. They're insane freaks who forcefemmed a child. And regardless they're charged with kidnapping, not attempting to cut the child's cock off, so it's simply part of the context and doesn't need to be proven in a court of law.
I have yet to meet a ftm that didn't desist straight out of highschool, they're all fucking fake
