If trannies are not dedicated enforcers of binary sex roles, why do they near-uniformly hold such intense contempt for those who identify as non-binary, especially when such individuals are non conforming?
>>43865131they don't
>>43865131Non biney gross
>>43865143binary trans grosscleopatra right back atcha
>>43865131>trannies are not dedicated enforcersNobody really said they aren'tPretending for a moment that they are, who cares?you have to go digging through obscure weird forums to find more than 10 of them in one place, they're not exactly the holy guardians of gender or whateverif they're spiteful toward gnc, most don't care btw, it's because of the happiness they see in the glitterbeard, not because of some grounded philosophy
>>43865131Fuck troonies, enbies are heckin cute and valid :)
>>43865131enbies are not gender incongruent and are not transsexuals. transsexuals are not transgenderenbies are.
>>43865172none of those words are in the Koran
>>43865131>If trans women don’t do the behaviours that I arbitrarily assign to them in an attempt to justify eliminating them from public life in bad faith, why do they near-uniformly hold the attitude that I arbitrarily assign to them in an attempt to justify eliminating them from public life in bad faith?Piss off.
>>43865131that's just the trannies here
>>43865131despite the name a lot of nb ppl aren't necessarily less conformist, and some research has indicated the opposite when compared to so-called binary trans
We don't. I know many binary trans people IRL and 0% of them has the same hangups about nonbinary people I often see here.I saw even less enbyphobia back in the day when I first came out, when there was far more medical gatekeeping about binary trans people being gender conforming and straight, and less representation of nonbinary people in media. With a few exceptions, we pretty much all understood we were in the same dumpster. the anti-enby transmedicalist stuff has taken off in recent times.As an example, this:>>43865172>enbies are not gender incongruent and are not transsexuals.>transsexuals are not transgender>enbies are.this is kind of a retconning of these terms. Transsexual usually used to mean someone who had medically transitioned or possibly wanted to/intended to medically transition (ie had physical dysphoria). Genderqueer (nonbinary) people could be transsexual also, although ofc to be greenlit for transition they would usually have to lie and pretend to be binary. the enby vs transsexual definition is fairly recent and has basically ruined the term. It used to be the default word for what I was (that was what people called me for years and years), but it has unpleasant connotations at this point on top of being antiquated, so I don't say it any more.
>>43865131Question for you, OP. Do you remember a few years ago how people on tumblr and similar communities were inventing a bunch of labels for relatively milquetoast dating habits and framing them as if they were equivalent to being lgbt ("I'm attracted to smart people so I'm 'sapiosexual'" or "I'm attracted to people I share a strong emotional connection with so I'm 'demisexual'", etc)? Or worse, when cishet people would start calling themselves "queer" due to sexual fetishes? There's generally nothing wrong with those things in and of themselves, but by conflating them with being LGBT they were fundamentally misrepresenting what that actually entailed, and most of those people were derided as "spicy straights" and were generally viewed unfavorably until they stopped.Similarly, my problem with "nonbinary" people is that they're basically doing the trans equivalent of what the "spicy straight" types did, oftentimes being the same people. But unfortunately, there was a history of genuinely harmful gatekeeping practices for trans people, which created a stigma against gatekeeping to the point that we're discouraged from pushing back against transphobic attempts to change what being trans even means. In the case of "nonbinary" people they specifically push a similar understanding of the issue to the one held by terfs, they just come to different conclusions....That said, I also feel like a lot of them just generally try to go for distasteful aesthetics out of a sense of contrarianism. While I can't force my opinions on anyone, I'd much prefer people to actually aim for aesthetics that are actually visually appealing rather than just trying for shock value.
>>43865355>binary identity is not fake>these other identities are fake even though they say they are real>but im not fakehmmmmmif you get to dismiss their identities out of hand, I will do the same with yours
>>43865131you're delusional if you don't think trannies are way more accepting of gender nonconformity than any other demongraphic
>>43865379transgenderism is an obsession with gender conformity and fitting incan trans women have hairy bodies and beards?
>>43865388gincel you're obsessed
>>43865364Are you retarded? I'm not saying that those behaviors are "fake" per se, I'm saying that they're nothing alike and that conflating them with LGBT people is harmful. If some straight cis guy is in an open relationship or something its not "fake", but if he starts using that as an excuse to call himself "queer" and position himself as a representative of LGBT people its genuinely harmful.The people who call themselves "nonbinary" typically do so on the basis that they deviate from sexist stereotypes in some way (or so they claim, anyway- the theyfab types are often more stereotypically feminine than most normie women), which is fundamentally different from what makes someone a trans woman or a trans man and its harmful for them to present themselves as if they're in any way related and take over spaces that were previously for transsexuals to help eachother deal with their issues. Again, many of these people openly operate from the same transphobic understanding of trans issues that terfs do, thinking that if only they could "abolish gender" then transsexuals would cease to exist.
>>43865318>Transsexual usually used to mean someone who had medically transitioned or possibly wanted to/intended to medically transitionAnd still does. Transsexual = diagnosable medical condition where someone's neurological sex does not align with their genetic sex. Transgender = someone who does not conform to gender norms. Transsexual women conform to gender norms of women. Transsexual men conform to gender norms of men. Transsexual conform to gender norms and are therefore not transgender.
>>43865725>diagnosis process>meet doctor (pay him of course medicine isn't free)>tell doctor you have "I hate my birth sex" disease>doctor agrees with your self reported info, diagnoses you with "hates your birth sex" disease, gives you chem-castration drugs>this is therefore valid because we pathologize the process and a doctor is involved cuz doctors have no history of doing sketchy stuff for money
>>43865742Diagnosable =/= diagnosed. A diagnosable medical condition is a medical condition that can clearly and scientifically be differentiated from similar conditions. That doctor suck doesn't change that.
>>43865131Why?“Am not kgb, am tourist”
>>43865131Doing one unorthodox thing does not mean I have to universally support everyone who do completely different unorthodox things
>>43865725>Transsexual women conform to gender norms of women.>Transsexual men conform to gender norms of men.first of all, no, transsexual people do not necessarily conform to many gender norms. transition can be largely motivated by physical dysphoria while someone is the worst possible example of their gender, lol. I see people here complain about that all the time. Secondly, what I'm saying is that given a nonbinary person who is physically dysphoric and may physically transition, that person could have been considered transsexual back in the day and still be genderqueer/nonbinary. People here use transsexual as a contrast to nonbinary people, but it would be quite easy to be both twenty years ago (provided you, you know, manage to get greenlit by a doctor).The evolution of the term transgender is a little more complicated. That one has always had multiple meanings.
>>43865131>if [group] does [x] thing i just made up, why do they also do [y] thing I also just made up?
>>43865131This is not being non-binary, this is being a freak. Nine non-binary is more in your head than in your outward appearance
>>43865131Trannies tend to only hate it when cissex enbies try and act like we're the same, talk over us, and weaponize their cissex privilege against us. That and some trannies are pickmes.
>>43865742>(pay him of course medicine isn't free)AmerifatAlso "chemical castration" is an oxymoron which only YOU care about because YOU are a hedonistic jewish gay rapist called "gincel" aka "gayjew"
>>43865131Trannies will cry that they do support enbies when you call them out on this but they will never respect your pronouns in real life if your presentation does not perfectly match preexisting male or female stereotypes
>>43865286>so-called binary trans>implying that binary trans women are actually non-binary when we both know you identify as a normal woman
>>43865725>Transsexual women conform to gender norms of women.>Transsexual men conform to gender norms of men.>Transsexual conform to gender norms and are therefore not transgender.Exactly. Trannies suffer from gender role enforcement syndrome while most of the developed world is moving away from these antiquated ideas. No wonder then transition as a medical cure is increasingly being called into question.
>>43865131i don't
>>43865172NBs are 95% of the time women.You know, AFaBs. But SPICY.And that's because "enbies" act "GNC" because women already have no bounds on them. Women, as a gender, do not have gender barriers. They can simply act or dress like anything and they are still women
>>43867942>transsexual people do not necessarily conform to many gender normsThen why whenever a tranny does not conform to your idea of womanhood, you tell them to detransition?
>>43868225>I don't have contempt for gender nonconformity!>>>43868265>I just don't want to look like a monster attempting to girlmode in public, boymoding should be a requirement for at least a year if starting hrt as a adult. Ill girlmode eventually I swear (Nearly 4 years hrt)pick one boymoder
>>43868220>being called into question by people who are largely conformists
>>43868321By people who don't think you need to have the physique of a swimsuit model to put on a skirt.
>>43868361*people who want us to suffer and kill ourselves
>>43868431Trannies kill themselves if they don't look like a swimsuit model after years of hrt and several plastic surgeries. Nobody wants that to happen, that's just the consequence of not being able to love yourself and accept the body you have.
>>43865131>those who identify as non-binary, especially when such individuals are non conforming?Being gender nonconforming and being enby are not the same
>>43868480you left out the part where they're denied hrt for years
>>43868702You left out the part where trannies deny themselves hrt if they believe they will never pass (conform to whatever sexist stereotype they are identified with)
>>43867942>I have never experience gender dysphoria and don't really understand it
