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Do you have a soul? A self? How spiritual are you and what's ur letter
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>>43900041
no soul, but i think most people do
not especially religious but i do believe in god
gay, detrans
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>>43900041
I think I have a soul, I'm not really religious but I am spiritual
I don't know what will happen or where anything goes after life if at all, but I'd like to find out one day
Maybe it can be reincarnation, heaven or like the egg short story, I'd like that
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I do not believe humans can have a female soul and a male body, or that having such a combination necessitates me to refer to them as women or otherwise pretend they are not normal men or crossdressers.
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>>43900041
Materialism is retarded. Of course we have a soul. I believe there is a God and an afterlife.

Repressing MTF
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>>43900080
I definitely believe I have a female soul in an androgynous intersex body.
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>>43900110
I believe you are delusional and have a feminine male body that is more male than female and you act more like a male than a female. Society just doesn't believe in feminine men, and that made you go insane so now you are essentially a golem, a Jewish-controlled monster who tries to poison the rest of society with lies and distortions mostly regarding demonizing male-male attraction and the sexual nature of men.
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>>43900041
If I had a soul it's long dead by now.
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>>43900103
Do you believe in the crabby old man God who condemns everybody because of one person's disobedience, I.E Adam?
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>>43900041
I feel like I've lost my soul and personality when i started hrt. I don't even have any interests or intentions anymore and I've became boring and derpessed af.
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>>43900041
>Do you have a soul?
i do. and it’s because of that i realized that i am my own person
>A self?
yes, i know who i am
>How spiritual are you and what's ur letter
spiritual enough. i believe that there are spirits all around us and have their own world that they inhabit
>t. cis man on hrt
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>>43900133
god is an abstractive way to refer to the social desires of female humans
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>>43900131
I think you're just a fucked up product of conservative Mega thinking. Good luck with that!
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>>43900143
I think the people who believe certain kinds of sex are immoral and are hysterical about using their own genitals are far more likely to be conservatives. You just are resorting to calling me names and not engaging with my words substantively.
People who believe male sexuality is wrong and you have to take drugs to make your penis not work are perhaps more likely to be on the conservative side, since conservatism is ultimately about preserving the interests of breeding females over those of beta males like yourself.
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you cannot have a soul distinct from a body, nor a body distinct from a soul
without a body, the soul is gone
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>>43900138
I believe we're only spiritual when we're living. When we are dead we're dead.
We don't have any life beyond, there are no l>>43900139
iving dead amongst us
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>>43900041
No and no. I am not spiritual at all and find it naive. FTM, or closer to a 'he/him' nonbinary.
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>>43900133
The question of how we inherit our evil predisposition is something I think about a lot. I'm not sure where it comes from, clearly not from God, as God can do no evil. But then it has to come from somewhere.

I don't believe in a literal Adam and Eve, but I do think Christians are trying to answer a real question.
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>>43900162
There's no sense in arguing with you because you are Trump brained.
It's only some males who are not really male to begin with, who feel like female since they were small children
They transition. Not all gay men want to transition. Most don't want to transition You are just stupid, using conservative talking points form Fox tv.
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>>43900041
i don't personally but almost everybody else does. when they notice that somebody doesnt have a soul they become immediately hostile because they are compelled by forces greater than them to destroy them, a bit like the body's immune system rejecting foreign cells, but at a societal scale. mtf
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>>43900190
I don't believe God is like a person with a personality. I think God is an abstraction. I do think people have the spiritual side; it's grounded in our physical lives. Our brains create our spiritual side
When we die, it all disappears.
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>>43900219
>When we die, it all disappears.

NDEs and OBEs have deboonked this pretty hard.
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of course i do
people who don't believe in a soul reject the evidence of their own senses
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>>43900223
>dead people hallucinate

Yeah ur brain does stuff when it's losing oxygen
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>>43900239
>It's all bullshit, don't even need to look into it!

ok anon whatever you say
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>>43900041
the belief in a soul implies the belief in a god, which only exist if you believe in them
a self exists regardless of what you do, but you can shape it through discipline
I would call myself religious, but not spiritual

t. polytheistic catholic syncretic nonbiney hon
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>>43900235
i bet this nigga is a afraid of ghosts too
like BOO lmao
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>>43900223
Not even sure what they are? I don't really care, there's always different views
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>>43900041
either this data is completely made up or the question was improperly framed, because the nonexistence of the soul is a key feature of buddhism
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>>43900041
>Do you have a soul?
no. i'm a hylic
>A self?
i have a few strongly defined personality traits but i lack most aspects of which a person is traditionally comprised of
>How spiritual are you
i am open to discussions of woo woo crap of all kinds. i sincerely hope that something of esoteric nature exists out there. it'd be much scarier if there was nothing instead of something
>what's ur letter
aap femrepper straightwoman with sadistic meta attraction towards other females
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>>43900276
Why would you say that when other people disagree?
it must be a debatable issue
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>>43900246
nietzsche says you will experience this life over and over again for all eternity, which is kinda like a dream, and if time is relative in dreams, then you could theoretically experience an eternity.
therefore, neitzsche proven correct by both basedience and mysticism, yet again
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>>43900276
the concept of a soul as we know it is fundamentally a Christian concept, so I’m sure the graph exists as an affirmation of Christian beliefs
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>>43900276
no, there are soul concepts in buddhism
it's just that like all things it is rooted in sunyata, without a definite essence. It is dependent on other phenomenon.
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>>43900328
that's a core teaching of buddhism, that the self is an illusion. There's just aggregates.
it would be like being a christian and not believing in the soul, it's totally against the foundations of the belief system
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>>43900246
>Muh brain meat computer malfunctions when it starts losing blood but somehow this proves we live in fairyland afterwards


If you said we were in a simulation it'd be much more accurate

>>43900250
"Self" exists this is illogical it's like saying inside sun there's a sun controlling it. There no self your a control system that has ability to delay gratification for future goals which are instilled. It's so shocking how all of you are so retarded


>muh self exists

Self does what? It lives in what part of brain do you think brain is like some hiesrichal organization where "you" sit on top >>43900276
They believe in reincarnation and avg Buddhist prayers to Buddha >>43900379
Aggregates disagree
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>>43900103
A soul is just material of a different kind.
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>>43900400
Perhaps I have Buddhism mixed up with hinduism? The one where you keep coming back until you're perfected. I don't really believe in anything beyond our lives in this world.
I do believe that we have a feeling about ourselves which is like a soul, it's more like a sense of self
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>>43900414
no offense but you have a very shallow and westernized understanding of buddhism.
if there are any asian communities around you, i encourage you to visit a real temple and see how the faith is lived
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in this moment, i am gender euphoric. not because of any phony god's sex assignment. but because i am enlightened, by my own honfidence
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>>43900041
I don't have a soul because I gave it to a demon
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>>43900432
>asians know more than me who had studied Buddhism

They worship nigga what makes u think their opinions matter?


Guy was like guys suffering is due to illusion of believing we are persisting self and by clinging ti
Impermanent you'll be stuck in cycle of suffering.


And niggas went og my god he's god let's build statues of guy who wanted to give humanity psych method on how to stop suffering.
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>>43900414
>there is no such thing as self
>literally defines the self in terms of desire
lol okay then, call it whatever you want, but your brain meat computer stores information somehow, you are not just constantly reinventing the world every second
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>>43900041
>Do you have a soul?
Yes.
>A self?
Yes.
>How spiritual are you
Barely. I'm Reformed Baptist.
>what's ur letter
Cishet male
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>>43900457
Self is what?


A thing that persists across day you were born to now.

Agent of actions and thoughts

Knower of knowledge

Now tell me how this makes any sense not unless you tell me there's a soul? There's nothing "you@ that survives from day you were born to now that can be called you? Are u ur dna? Ur brain stem or stem cells

>but im my brain

Okay which part? The visual cortex or wernick area
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>>43900456
you sound very enlightened and not at all delusional
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We dont think people have a soul per se, rather, the brain is an engine to spin up a soul. Should it be kept in good condition, you can have varying densities and vibes of aura produced by this.
The soul is not permanent, what is is the energy that flows through all of us, through rocks and through blood alike. When you live life a certain way, you leave behind imprints in the energy, and while it dissolves into the world once more in time, it means you have a very real impact on things beyond.
There are people who do not have souls, because they do not take care of their engine. (Note that this has nothing to do with mind viruses or the like, rather living gracefully.)
Ghosts do exist, because the energy people leave behind can have desires, even if not coherence, and that energy interacts with yours.
The self is a farce, as the world we see is only a projection on the back of our skull, you are ever shifting, as is energy.
All you can do is try and foster energy that is comfortable.

Mtf bi
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>>43900444
i wonder how many people got this considering the fact that the vast majority of posters now are like 19
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>>43900497
no, your self is the plant inside you, that grows and stores all the knowledge you feed it, silently shaping your world and being shaped by it, like a tree does to its environment.
it can be corrupted easily, so be careful how you tend to it and provide a nurturing environment
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>>43900041
>mtf
>jewish
life is a cruel constant.
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>>43900632
There's no self you live in delusion of thoughts that constantly keep narrative going. There's phenomena , thoughts , emotions and causal mechanisms but no one self that exists in it. A series of processes and events no one single actor
A rainbow is humans labeling a myriad of process that create a rainbow but there's no "rainbow" in control or you can grab it's light reflecting off mist and lucky enough to see it in right angle. Theres no one in there in same way there's no one in rainbow , rock or atom. You can't upload "self" cause there's no self you never die cause there's never a me to die. Give up these Jewish myths that you still cling onto >>43900672
Do u believe in self
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>>43900041
there's obviously a self it's just identical to the brain/body, if u get a hole punched through the brain by a railroad gauge then u get a hole punched through ur self as well
but if u had to press me i'd say i believe in the god of spinoza, i don't believe in the typical atheistic mechanistic universe i do believe that there is creative potential imbued in every part of being and really there's nothing that just simply is, it's all coming into or fading out of existence
but i don't think there are separate agents or a non-unified agency and i don't believe that agency takes the form of intention as humans instinctively perceive it
christians are so goofy lmao "the universe is ordered by your dad who makes u do stuff and gets mad if u don't"
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>>43900696
there is no such thing as rainbow, rock, and atom, and yet, you use words to describe those things as distinct entities from one another. if you had no self, you would have no way to string sentences together. you would be like a newborn baby, clapping its feet
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>>43900041
>Do you have a soul?
yes (rather, i am a soul), but i think the "in addition to" phrasing makes me reluctant to say yes to the question in the image
your soul is instantiated by your body, it's not as though it continues hanging around or goes somewhere else when your body dies. it's just not instantiated there anymore.
>a self
yes
>How spiritual are you
very but in a william blake sense, not a trad religion sense
>what's ur letter
LT
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>>43900737
But we don't string our words we appear to be but like an LLM that recognizes patterns in human language we merely say stuff that sounds right with no knowledge of how , why and what said it. Your words arrive never the author
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>>43900950
what is the difference, functionally speaking?
if an LLM convinces someone to kill themselves, who cares if there’s an author? someone just died.
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>>43900041
I metaphorically have a soul, and that’s just as important as literally having one.
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>>43901166
Who died? There's no one there
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>>43901198
if an LLM convinces you, poster, to order pizza, does it functionally matter if there is an author? a pizza has just arrived at your doorstep, caused by a series of words strung together.
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>>43901273
No because chat bot has no embodied experience or correlation it just a statistical machine. But we are embodied and realize "these words" get me food

For chat bot there's no relational understanding sake way I can't understand micro bio organisms impulses .
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>>43900041
yes i believe in soul. very spiritual but agnostic basically ig. i’m very godless. the the natural spiritual inclinations of agp are apparent. bi mtf.
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>Do you have a soul? A self?
yes but they are sunyata. the soul is a continuity of form which subsists within a universal field of memory. out from this transindividual field of memory is congealed the visible flesh. as such, the body is a manifestation of soul. but the soul as continuity is memory, and so it is the accumulation of flesh. and so soul and body are in codependent arising. upon death, the soul subsists within the acausal of all-flesh. i would probably distinguish between soul and spirit though. spirit pertains to the actual disclosure of Being that corresponds to the infinitesimal chiasmic cut of the flesh, it is the light of the logos, while soul is the dark spark of tiamat. with hidweh we conjoin the darkness of flesh with the light of spirit, this is reconciliation
>How spiritual are you and what's ur letter
um .. i guess i am pretty spiritual since i have a cult n stuff. my letter is mtf
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>>43901339
just because you view the self as instrumental does not mean it does not exist. you are using “these words” to communicate with me right now

>>43901386
waow it’s hidweh sama I’m your number one fan
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>>43901441
waow hello number one fan im so honoured. do i know u
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>>43901499
nope I just saw your post about hidweh rituals and thought it sounded cool and cybelean
I was into syncretic polytheism, and just getting into catholicism at the time. I remember thinking hidweh sounded like somewhere between artimpasa and mary theotokos, with a lil bit of that cybele/demeter psychopomp energy
how’ve you been, how’s cult life
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>>43900041
I am the resident soul upkept by ongoing deterministic biochemical reactions in my brain. I am the nonreal, fictional shadow of deterministic mathematics, made to feel like I'm in control of what I do when the particle interactions and movements and transfers of energy throughout and involving the disgusting meat mech I am currently chained to, have been on immutable and predetermined rails laid during or before the big bang.

I believe the reason for the universe is unknowable. I believe that spirituality is humans anthropomorphizing the universe to try and make personal sense of it. There are countless religions on earth, all spawned by bored people sitting alone brooding on the nature of their perceived reality, and the chance of even one of them being right may as well be zero.

I do not believe our universe is all that there is and will ever be. That existence, a binary state, could be finite does not make sense. This is the point where my beliefs become personal construct and speculation rather than rational observation. I believe our universe must be inside of another "reality", the nature of which is unknowable to us. Spacetime and energy and the fundamental forces are all concepts of our universe and will most definitely not apply to the reality layer that our universe exists within. I think it's unlikely that our universe is in a physical place in the next layer of reality up from ours, but the result of ongoing mathematics in some form. We cannot conceive of how our host reality layer actually hosts ours, but if we were to build a supercomputer around a star and mathematically simulate a less complex universe where we define all the properties and concepts and the starting states and positions of everything in it, that would be the next reality layer down from ours. That simulated universe could eventually spawn additional nested subrealities, additional layers down.
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>>43903014
But what I'm really interested in is climbing *up* the ladder of nested reality layers, not simulating the next layer down. I want us to utilize all the usable energy in the universe to try and find some way to pierce the veil, to break out and manifest ourselves into the next layer up. An example would be an entity in a simulation of ours somehow, blindly figuring out how to manipulate it's own reality in such a precise way that a 3d printer on the same network as the simulator recieves the instructions to print a robot being piloted by the aforementioned entity. I want us to do this over and over again, climbing up the ladder until we reach the highest reality layer, the highest layer of binary existence. The true world. The infinite. The white. I want to know the absolute truth of existence. I want to know why anything exists at all. I believe that it's inevitable an existential reality basilisk will eventually appear down any unregulated ladder of subrealities. An entity that randomly figures it out and sets it's layer on the path to ascending the ladder. We can be that basilisk. We can escape. Our souls can live forever if we do. We can reach apotheosis through ontocide. There is nothing more important.

L btw
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>>43902779
oo that is cool so are you a catholic now? im sort of interested in sophiology rn and might write something schizo relating to it at some point .. ive been good, its been slow. desu i need to work on myself more then i can try accelerating things a bit
>and mary theotokos
i think she would be below that as i sort of make the loose association of theotokos ~ sophia ~ mother tiamat (which figures into my cosmology n stuff as all-flesh) tho iunno. interesting comparisons

btw there is this tttt related server w some pagans that's sorta dead but you might be interested in
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>>43900041
i am the founder of a tiny religion of only 2 believers in the world; so yes im very spiritual; and i have a wonderful soul; and an even more wonderful soulmate sister wife i adore
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>>43900041
holy fuck are people retarded
obviously, consciousness is a complex property emergent from your grey matter, not a second substance of supernatural origin. dualists should be publicly executed before cheering crowds
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I don't have a soul: I AM a soul! Everything else; my mind, my body, this reality, how I perceive and interpret my experiences, are all transient.

t. Transbian.
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>>43900041
souls aren't real and there is nothing behind the eyes of humans. we were just a big clump of cells that tricked itself into thinking it's real.
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>>43900584
i copy all the men of grosser blood, and teach them how to war
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>>43900041
I dont think i do. There might be some spark in me that makes me conscious, and when im buried in the dirt i'll live as the dirt.
Probably not tho, i'll die and its gg. I hope i get to be with the spirits who visited me during my shroom trips tho
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no but I have a really fat cock so I think that makes up for it
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>>43901441
>just because you view the self as instrumental does not mean it does not exist. you are using “these words” to communicate with me right now

yet these words are like sounds, sights and emotions i experience? do i have control of how much red, yellow or black is in my field of vision? same thing for words
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>>43900041
>Do you have a soul?
No, my body is all that I am. My mind is a result of my body. My """consciousness""" is an illusion that will stop with my death and beyond that, there is no meaningful difference between me and a literal rock.
>How spiritual are you
I tried to be spiritual and even religious for a while, but I can't. Maybe it's because I was raised atheist, idk. I look around and I don't see anything that would even imply the supernatural, much less anything like a god.
I've been trying to at least believe in fate lately, but even that seems so silly. I feel like I would probably lead a better life if I could believe in something like that, but it's just pattern-seeking in coincidence.
>ur letter
Bi AGP moid
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>>43905230
>My mind is a result of my body.

are u the mind then?
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>>43900041
No, I'm just a pattern of information embedded in my brain. MtF bi
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>>43905376
Pattern changes so sre "you" from idk 5 years ago
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>>43905369
Meaningless question, I'm afraid
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>>43900041
the fact that soul in the religious sense as a concept has persisted past the middle age is crazy
soul as in consciousness could be believable, because it's hard to be convinced it's all just a slightly different brain from animals

doomed midshit boymoder
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>>43905593
It mainly persists because believers are assholes to you if you dont share their metaphysics
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>>43905554
Ur a psychopath u see no difference between human and rock
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>>43905624
straw man
you're just not on xyr philosophical level of enlightenment
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>>43905681
If you're enlightened why are you still a faggot then? Shouldn't sex be something you look down on
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>>43900041
I am a soulless nymph, when I die there will be nothing left
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>>43905593
I think that if souls are just what we call the aggregate sum of material consciousness (they are) then every animal with a brain or neural net has a soul, down to the simplest bug.
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>>43905708
no. looking form on you own nature as a human animal is itself unenlightened



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