This is the general vibe that I get; when trans women talk about being hyper-aware of themselves when entering sensitive gendered spaces, like bathrooms and whatnot, it seems like it's usually from a standpoint of anxiety over "invading" or "encroaching" due to potentially being perceived as a danger in those spaces. However, when trans men talk about the same thing, it seems like it's usually from a standpoint of anxiety over not "fitting in" or not being able to meet the expectations of the situation.My question is whether or not trans men ever feel out of place, specifically in a violative sense. In all honesty, not that I think it's right, but I get intuitively why trans women entering sensitive spaces feels more delicate for weird power dynamic reasons, so of course I'm not insinuating trans men ought to feel like they're doing anything wrong in that way, just wondering if they ever do.
>>43900214Ftm don't go to male species they stay with women and keep their female friends
>>4390021498% of dudes generally will not care as much as women would, though you are really running the rape gauntlet any time you enter a change room or something because of that last 2% having “rape is my culture” as their mantra
>>43900214Nah not at all. We largely ignored each other entirely in men's spaces
>>43900214Most trans men don't have a penis capable of rape so they fly under the radar of gender politics
>>43900214Well, recently I had a dream that my sons wanted to do some kind of boys’ weekend at the lake house, because my wife had had a girls’ weekend with our daughter there for her birthday*. So we had all their male friends and their dads over, and we’re getting a bonfire started and joking around etc. Then my dad showed up, and kept making weird/shitty comments and jokes about how I shouldn’t be there, making everyone uncomfortable but slowly turning against me, escalating into saying I was going to get grool on everything and ruin the house. I grabbed him by the collar and told him off, but he’s old and weak so he kind of fell down, and then I felt bad and weird for assaulting an old man, and the vibes were all awkward and ruined for everyone. There was no way to make him leave in the dream, so I just kind of stood there embarrassed and humiliated in the awkward silence until I woke up.*I have neither a wife nor kids nor any of these things aside from a lake house.Does that answer your question?
>>43900354>escalating into saying I was going to get grool on everything and ruin the housedamn your dream dad kinda owns you
>>43900396Yeah I was basically letting the minor comments pass and then kind of giving him the “come on man, drop it” but he kept pushing until that made me crash out.
>>43900275>>43900344Even if you still get noticed sometimes by individuals, it sounds pretty sweet to largely avoid scrutiny in the broader discourse.>>43900354>saying I was going to get grool on everything and ruin the houseMight be the funniest transphobia I've heard in the past 5 years lowkirkentologiclowstatothenticenuinely, but also sorry for the shitty dream :(
>>43900861Most of the world is run by statutory rapists and literal rapists. Why do you think they project it onto trans women as a distraction from them bleeding the working class dry.
>>43900214I hate cis people and i don't care what they think.
>>43900892It's not fair, nona. why can't they put our real enemies under the microscope, like mosquitos or bedbugs, instead of sexual minorities? :c>>43900940*daps you up HARD with a hand full of whipped cream, exploding it everywhere*
>>43900973Life isn't fair. If it was I would've been an eternal loli with mild dwarfism instead of a bitter fakesmug 4channer
I don't get anxious because I pass and even if I get clocked men don't accuse people trying to pee as rapists, if anything they mind their business
not really. I get the same yardstick about whether you're too gay-looking/feminine/whatever that other men get, and other than that, straight men don't really police their spaces. Gay cis men might or might not have judgments, but I have found that rejection is pretty simple and casual in gay male exclusive spaces. if someone doesn't want to fuck you, you both just move on. And there's plenty who do want to.
>>43900214I am not bothered by bathrooms because no one cares. But I do avoid any gay communities, like going to a gay bar, because I know men will see me as a intruder, a female bothering them. Even though I am stealth day to day, look like an average man. I wasnt even hit on by other men ever in my life, so I figure they clock me somehow or Im just that unapplealing.
>>43900214In general male spaces no, in some gay male spaces yes. When I was really early in my transition I was worried about being clocked in restrooms and being beaten up over it but men just mind their own business and I stopped caring. Now I’m stealth and I haven’t felt this way in a long time. That’s for general male spaces though, I avoid gay male spaces that involves getting naked (ex. Grindr) because I feel like an intruder and like I’d be attempting conversion therapy until I get bottom surgery. I’m a virgin because of it.
>>43900214If I wanted to be self conscious I would be a woman
>>43904359That's a cute sexismDid a YouTuber give you it?
>>43904408If I wanted to care about sexism I would be a woman
>>43904411After years of pretending to give a shit about feminism or women's suffrage or the gender pay gap or sexism or abortions I can finally be honest and say I don't care what women do and I don't care what women want because I'm not one. If I have a girlfriend and she wants to get into that kind of stuff, she's free to do so, but it's ultimately not my problem.
There's no such thing as an ftm. They are women and cannot empathize with men or conceive of "mens spaces". There are mixed spaces and there are womens spaces.
>>43904564Men never get patriotic about their spaces like women do and the only reason why women want to protect their spaces from men is because they view all men as dangerous rape monkeys. Men aren't worried about women harming them so they don't enforce any barricades to keep them out.
>>43900471Dreams telling you you don't respect yourself and stay in places you're not wanted. Gender or not. Don't stay in places people don't want you in, stay in places you are loved
