The darkest secret is that Blanchard's framework is good but the conclusions are wrong - AGPs are the real trutrans. AGPs need to be a woman no matter what because it's deeply tied to their identity and they are what normies actually classify as gender dysphoric. HSTS do not possess gender dysphoria, they transition as a sexual mating strategy to get straight men. When HSTS lose access to men or get older, they start to detransition then retransition because they invested too much into the identity. Detransitioning is not an existential shock to them, their sole motivation is desire for male sexuality. If detransition rates are high, I'd argue most are HSTS that lost external motivation. For AGPs, being trans is more important than anything, for HSTS, men are more important than anything. This is why gay men say trans women are homophobic, they are 1000% correct. HSTS are homophobic gay men coping. This is why AGPs like Finnster are adept at transitioning while HSTS look like gay male caricatures of women and don't pick up on female socialization, just catty gay man socialization. This is why AGP never get demoralized, depressed, and work harder to voice train and pass while HSTS do things the lazy way, rarely voice train. I'd also argue AGPs pass better because of this, that's why bisexuals are the most attractive trans women. It's because being a woman is live/die for AGPs whereas for HSTS it's solely for the men. AGP = internal motivation, HSTS = external motivation. AGP = self-referential, HSTS = other-directed. I'd also argue most self id AGPs or transbians are actually HSTS coping. Blanchard called this a compensatory adaptation strategy. Conclusion - AGPs are actually the ones who have a medical necessity for transition. HSTS are faketrans. I don't really care either way, do whatever you want.
>>43906185Also I'm an expert who can tell you if you are really AGP or HSTS despite what you think (you're all wrong and coping) I just need to know your original story and past behavior before transition.
Nice word salad anon, just remember that these are JOKE terms and you are fucking retarded for overanalyzing a JOKE.
>>43906185>This is why AGPs like Finnster are adept at transitioning while HSTS look like gay male caricatures of women and don't pick up on female socialization, just catty gay man socialization.lol
>>43906229He was still a man when he was with AshleyNow she's a woman
>>43906229Also this is what HSTS look like during a candid shot kek
>>43906202I’ll bite, I’ve only ever been into guys and thought I was trans at 13, started hrt at 17 and voice trained till my voice passes pretty much, but still need FFS to really pass. I do want SRS and am saving for it as well. If I knew I would be alone forever and could never get a husband or even a boyfriend I don’t know if I would transition though, I am dysphoric but I don’t know if it would be worth the effort to just not be dysphoric and get no benefits when I could just cope and ignore it like I did through puberty. Am I trutrans? AGP? HSTST? I’ve always thought I’m HSTS tbqh.
>>43906266He's aging into a weird looking man as all trannies do as they approach 30. It's unavoidable for most of them.
>>43906274Also doesn't pass but he's not living his life as a bimbo porn slut as finn is
>>43906276You are classical 100% pure HSTS but my conclusion is also that HSTS are not trutrans, AGPs are. What will happen if you don't have access to men is that you'll get demotivated and detransition, but then lock back in because of sunken cost fallacy. Your best option is to get married immediately and lock him down. If you get into your late 20s jaded with heartbreak, you will detransition. Just get married and don't waste time with a retard. Even save your virgnity intact if you have it. Life is harder for HSTS than AGPs and most self id "AGP transbian" are actually coping HSTS. If you don't get married in your youth, your destiny will be to be a resentful transbian. I've seen it happen countless times. 30 is a critical point in your life. You need to try to get married before 25. If you just meander through life and go through breakups with useless men, you're fucked.
>>43906302>>43906292We can angle fraud or transvestigate angles all day but 95% of trannies don't pass. The ones that do are AGP. I think almost all detransitioners are HSTS because once the external validation exits, they stop the delusion. AGPs with bisexual attraction are the most successful from my experience. Transbians are straight/bisexuals coping because men broke their heart or they don't have access to men. HSTS are gay men coping.
>>43906317How fucked am I then?I’m 25 not married but in a long term relationship with my first that is kinda stagnant like we don’t even have sex anymore. Is it over?
>>43906339>The ones that do are AGP. This is incorrect. The trannies that pass do so because they're young and passing is only temporary. Your body and face will evolve as you age, and surgery cannot stop this process. Ava used to pass but now she's very clocky looking because of having too much facial surgery. Agp and hsts can pass, but only temporarily until the reality of their maleness catches up to them, and they can't avoid failing.
The lack of seriousness you interpret from hussies is because they are already feminine, already perceived that way. Transition is a formality.
>>43906229icky has been on hrt 5 years or so and has zero boob growth. Is this common?
>>43906365Don't increase your body count anymore, just dump this faggot and find a normal guy to marry right away. Don't have insane standards. Go for a GAMP chaser that is honorable and decent enough. Don't be shallow or you'll die alone for real. Your views are skewed because you're still young and hot, you are not as valuable as you think you are. Be a total pick me if you have to. Just get the marriage certificate. Being an old single tranny is hell. I guarantee you that being bi/les as a tranny is a lie and a cope. The saddest part of this is that transbian = cope. They were once HSTS but became jaded because the current world is evil. Men are evil. They feel safe with women. The darkest truth is that most women are evil too. The current world is extremely different from what our parents experienced. My advice - dump people who are useless to you and focus on your goal. Get married and get a career as a hedge against him. But don't let the career come too much before your marriage, it promises you safety but also implodes current relationships. Understand balance. understand yourself. Also you should transition and stay transitioning but understand you are not trutrans, almost no one is. Your motivation is purely external so you need to keep access to men or else you may have an existential shock later in life. The gays are right, HSTS trans women ARE homophobic gay males coping. Doesn't mean your lifestyle isn't valid, just do it.
>>43906387Breast tissue development is entirely dependent on your individual genetics.
OP is so retarded.
>>43906185the hsts/agp distinction is somewhat useful, but I think people are using it like astrology signs to make a lot of specious claims
>>43906185do 100% straight agps exist?>>43906387yes
HSTS has to be a meme. Why would someone transition to get with men in the 2020s, that makes zero sense, you can do that with 1% the hassle as a moid
>>43906379They are already feminine but not in an autistic "I'm going to be fully a woman in all forms" way. Only an autistic AGP is capable of that and their motivations are more powerful. The HSTS femininity is very gay male coded. It's always half assed. >>43906387Yes because you're going from a man to a woman which is delusional and retarded, a puberty takes a very long time. I've been on HRT for more than half my life. When babytrans feel discouraged after 3 years, I'm just like w/e dude. >>43906370Incorrect, AGPs are good at passing after 35 because they have autistic gayface, they're genetically skilled at passing. The whole point of this thread is that Blanchard's framework is alright, but his conclusions are wrong. AGPs are the real default, standard trans women that feel dysphoric and would die if they lose their right to be a woman. HSTS are faketrans but still valid and I still want them to transition, if they were forced to detransition, they would not care outside of identity attachment, it is solely a mating strategy, that is what Blanchard believes but I refined it.
>>43906430Use your brain. The fact of it is telling. Gay males don't even have a mating strategy--they fuck everything that moves. Hussies aren't like that at all. They're like women in that they're fussy. They want men, but they don't just want any man.
>>43906442You have things totally backward. 'Wanting to be a woman' doesn't mean anything. Jeeps can want it all they like, but that doesn't mean they have it. No amount of effort will magically produce the feminine mystique.
>>43906424No, agp is by default auto-attraction. An auto attracted autogynephile is sexually attracted to his own body type, and that's why agp are highly likely to live transbian lifestyles. Agp aren't sexually attracted to men but may decide to use men for other reasons.
>>43906411I'm objectively smarter than you, so that makes you a lobotomite. >>43906424It's possible to be a straight AGP and it's possible to be a HSTS transbian, but Blanchard will claim you're coping. Let me explain why. Blanchard believes a fraction, around 5%, of transbians are coping from trauma with men. This is true. They are actually HSTS because at one point, their motivation to transitioning was because they wanted to be loved by men. Your current sexuality is often a cope, queerness is often a cope. As for straight AGPs, the core of your condition is externally motivated HSTS but you have peripheral autogynephilia. But it's still derivative of the fact that you need men's validation or external validation.If you want me to litmus test you, go ahead and share. >>43906420I agree some of it as useful but could be refined, also it should actually validate AGPs rather than dismiss them. They are actually more motivated to pass inherently by virtue of identity anchoring to internal sexuality. >>43906430Because gays don't get married and are whores. It is a mating strategy. But it's also internalized homophobia. Being a tranny is a more reliable way to get love than being a gay bottom aging out. That's the truth.
>>43906442Autogynephilia isn't valid in my opinion and is representative of a broader personality disorder that may include autism as a catalyst. We can debate this all day, but lgbt is supposed to represent people with alternative sexualities, and AGP is a fetish of heterosexual men. It should be considered a personality disorder in my opinion.
>>43906457ooop thats why i find blanchardism retardedim only attracted to XY males and have been in LTRs with them since I was 17.we can love and appreciate men too
>>43906494>AGP is a fetish of heterosexual men. It should be considered a personality disorder in my opinion.Yup. They have the stink of straight men, and make basically every flavor of queer uncomfortable.
>>43906454It does mean something, you're just too stupid to understand nuance and per capita as an idea. It's not necessarily the case that they will be better women in a destined way because of desire. We study sociology using statistics and incentive structures, it's not deterministic. Now you'll walk away and stop responding but not reflect at your own logical weaknesses. Or you'll deflect and move on, move goalposts to try to hit me with a cheap gotcha. >No amount of effort will magically produce the feminine mystique.So now you're fatalistically claiming that men can never be women. Femininity is a spectrum you dullard. You're not very intelligent. I didn't claim anyone here is a woman in objective reality, so stop assuming my stance, you buffoon.
>>43906185the final redpill is that most of the people on this board are meta-attracted agps. 4chan is for autistic males. actual hsts are poc, use sites like instagram, and actually have female friends. the problem is that people do not understand that agp is spiritual as much as it is sexual and in some cases can be more spiritual. i feel as though i have agp but my agp manifests as wanting to be a put-together business woman rather than some sluti never understood why people have come to worship hsts even though they are just homophobic flaboyant gay men. if you have genital dysphoria at all there is a very high chance you are actually agp>The nonhomosexual MtF transsexuals I have seen in my practice typically want to undergo sex reassignment surgery as quickly as possible and want their new genitals to resemble as closely as possible the female genitals they love and idealize. After surgery, these transsexuals are not only relieved to be rid of their male genitals but are delighted with their female-appearing genitals and are often eager to display them to other people (e.g., at transgender support group meetings).They are proud to more closely resemble what they love.Their attitude is in marked contrast to that of the homosexual MtF transsexuals I have seen, who do not experience romantic love for women, do not idealize women’s genital anatomy, and often seem indifferent or ambivalent about undergoing sex reassignment surgery. One of my homosexual MtF transsexual patients who had undergone sex reassignment surgery was, for example, unwilling to perform vaginal dilation to prevent postoperative vaginal stenosis, because she regarded her new female genitals as “too ugly” to look at or touch.these are the people that tttt puts on a pedestal lol. it makes no sense
>>43906512You're saying that you're an autogynephile who is attracted to men, which is a contradicting statement. There's something else missing.
>>43906521>So now you're fatalistically claiming that men can never be women.No, I'm saying you're either born with it or you're not. It's clear from the fact that gay boys socialize with girls, take pink collar jobs, and transition without causing optics nukes... that one type has it, and well, the other clearly has something else going on.
>>43906442>Only an autistic AGP is capable of that Autistic AGPs are literally unable to recognize that they still look like men
>>43906457No, Blanchardian framework encoded several nuances and variations. It's just that you guys are retarded aspies that can't read. But HSTS can have quasi AGP behavior and AGP transbians can have quasi AGP behavior. His most important litmus test was your origin. If there was a man tied to the origin of your transition, or men as a concept, you're HSTS and NOT trutrans. If you're a dysphoric trans woman that is a woman independent of men, you're AGP. If you claim asexual, Blanchard considers you AGP. It's correlated but not fully determined by what you self id your current sexuality as. So yes, it's possible to be an AGP straight and HSTS transbian. >>43906494It's either both are valid or no one is valid because HSTS do not actually need to transition. AGPs are the dysphoric ones. Blanchard believes none of you are real women and HSTS do not care about being a woman if there's no access to men. >>43906512You can be HSTS with AGP attributes, it depends on your origin story. You are HSTS with periphery AGP as a derivative of your attraction to men, you gained internally motivated AGP but it's not the core. The important litmus test was the origin story.
>>43906547there are plenty of gay men that do those things and dont transition at all. you can be feminine and attracted to men without transitioning at all. hsts worship is homophobia
>>43906579>>43906442
>>43906589They argue like men too lol, it's so funny.
>>43906589there are agps that look and act like the one on the left who has shy autistic nerd mannerisms
>>43906623are you responding to the right person
>>43906637>there are agps that look and act like the one on the leftCorrect. And the one on the left is a hulking man, unable to view his own traits.
>>43906534ill bite. i dont believe in hsts/agp tranny zodiac nonsense. but by default i am agp because i browse and use this site.i am 27. i went into debt to finish my transition using my equity.i have a fiance, we live together and have 3 dogs. i have always loved men. whats missing?
>>43906274Hot?
>>43906524This poster is extremely smart and understood my post in full. Congratulations. You're the smartest woman in the room. You are so exceptional that I would treat you to lunch for this magnificent post.
>>43906586>If you're a dysphoric trans woman that is a woman independent of men, you're AGP. If you claim asexual, Blanchard considers you AGP. It's correlated but not fully determined by what you self id your current sexuality as. Again, I feel that what you're describing would fall under mental illness and personality disorder rather than deserving representation with lgbt. If you began life as a heterosexual boy and your sexuality morphed into autogynephilia leading to dysphoria and medical transition, that sounds like a mental defect rather than a legitimate identity. Hating gay males and trannies that love men is a key characteristic of autogynephiles. They should start their own movement away from lgbt where they can talk about their inner female spirit who happens to look like an underaged anime child.
>>43906647Genuine attraction to malesBeing a woman
>>43906682All trans women are delusional and mentally ill. but HSTS do not believe they are women at all, they believe they are gay males. Blaire White is an example of a fully realized HSTS accepting she is just a gay male. AGPs want to be women in totality, are the trutrans, are the dysphoric, will get all the surgeries. HSTS motivation for getting surgery is only if men get harder for her, so she feels zero genital dysphoria. If you feel dysphoria of any kind (classically understood as trutrans), you're AGP in Blanchard's framework. Everyone who thinks they're both trutrans and HSTS is probably a meta attracted AGP.If you're a real HSTS, the trans identity is secondary to sexual attraction to men.
Also most people in this thread are low IQ, they didn't read anything Blanchard ever said, and just abstractly think they are more valid because they're attracted to men. But it's likely they're ugly, unpassing, and insecure in their personal lives. Their understanding is just a dichotomy solely tied to sex because they understand information contextually through stuff they briefly saw online, then they parrot it. Almost all human beings are NPCs and behave this way. Only one poster was smart enough to even comprehend a single thing I said. Most of the rest went into low IQ sperg rage and don't even know if they're really AGP/HSTS.
>>43906705Just a bad read. >>43906662I guess so, if that's your thing. >>43906637>>43906616>>43906589The darkest secret is that most hons and optics nukers are primarily attracted to men. Bisexual AGP trans women are the only passoids, it's not the hussies. >>43906588Agreed, that's the saddest thing. That HSTS don't actually need to transition. This thread could kill the entire movement.
>>43906882If you'd please and not vomit your dumb all over the internet, that'd be great.
prototypical archetypes I've seenAGP>higher IQ that eclipses all other demographics>usually white or east asian>5'7-5'9>if has a place in society, will get educated or skilled, will mog everyone and get all the surgeries>actually has dysphoria, actually has the trans mental illness>age is irrelevant some reason because she had autistic gay face and is genetically predisposed to being transHSTS>age is extremely important because AGE IS ALL SHE RELIES ON TO PASS, SHE'S LAZY>men are her origin story, NOT DYSPHORIA>look like a skinny gay man>socialization is gay male coded and not female coded in any way>voice training is ALWAYS LAZY because their motivation is not internal, it's external>they could get on voice training if a man forced them to, but otherwise, they always sound like gay men>when babytrans attracted solely to men at first then gets her heart broken and becomes bi/lesbian/transbian as a cope >all "AGPs" that you think are optics nukes are failed HSTS copingYour current attraction doesn't dictate anything because Blanchard thinks you're coping. It only depends on your origin story. If you have dysphoria but you're attracted to men, you're AGP for sure even though you think the dichotomy is as simple as straight = HSTS. Everyone seething in this thread thinks they're HSTS but are probably AGP.
>>43906913You are low IQ lol. I'm sorry you weren't intelligent enough to understand my post. You navigate life believing in heuristics and me sharing new information is an ego collapse for you. You feel safe in your own bubble. That's just sad, anon.
>>43906966You're a moid, and wrong, and not worth arguing with. Make up whatever fiction you want in your reality bubble, miss debater.
>>43906978What do you think I am? AGP or HSTS? The answer would probably make you kys because this thread is an ego collapse for you. That's how weak your mental constitution is.
>>43906995My conception of your gender identity is retard. Pronouns hurr/durr.
>>43906978>>43907010If you want to end the convo here, I'll leave you with this. The other anon was correct that almost all who ID as HSTS are meta attracted AGPs. I'm smarter than you and you aren't even smart enough to comprehend a single thing I said, let alone debate me.
>>43906202ok why not pinkpillanon:>virtually no memory of my childhood>physically wimpy>seemed to be into masculine yet nerdy things (zero athleticism)>have a few "eggy" (hate that word) memories which i can't tell if they're real or not (mom told me i assumed i could get pregnant until she corrected me when i was like 3)>withdrawn autistic indoor type>by high school i have a few memories of comparing my body to girls' bodies and not really understanding why>always primarily attracted to women (although if I'm thinking of myself as a woman the meta attraction stuff does start to make more sense>never masturbated normally and didn't even start until I was like 16, partially because I suddenly realized literally all the guys around me were watching porn>enjoy a few girly things, hide it exceptionally well>friendless loser through college>graduate, become alcoholic and discover this board>feel like I'm just faking dysphoria as a cope for having no life and failing at being a man
>>43906202Been very feminine, looked up to female family members and resented stepfatherHave been interested in men, struggled with sexuality a lot. Dated women, whilst claiming to be gay pre-transition (as a gay male way) Passive role in all relationshipsCame out as gay, rejected by familyDysphoric since 10, crossdressed, makeup since 6 years oldVoice trained but then gave up eventually. Made sure to train cough, moaning and sneezes moreso than speaking voiceNever had male friends that didn't use me as punching bagNeed FFS, SRS, Rib reduction, Clavicle shorteningStarted transition at 17 after coming out again, but as trans
>>43907033>debate meInsufferable moid shit. The energy of a teenage atheist.
>>43907010Also I just want to share something.. Blanchard said HSTS don't feel any dysphoria whatsoever and they're totally indifferent to getting surgeries, especially bottom surgery. Getting bottom surgery is inherently AGP, feeling any dysphoria is inherently AGP. Actually read it. If you're too stupid to read, talk to AI, a non sentient thing that is smarter than you. Lmao.
>>43906647How do I stop my larp attraction to men though? I'm AGP as they come but I melt whenever men give me attention
>>43907043It depends if you transitioned specifically for men. It sounds like you're a trutrans AGP with low or no dysphoria but it's still strong enough to skew you towards a queer trans identity. Or it's possible you have no tie to trans identity at all. Trans women are more bi/les than straight because they are the trutrans and HSTS are gay males. Either way, it doesn't matter, all transness is hocus pocus. It's not some mystical shit where you're destined to be trans at birth and it's an immutable sacred truth. It's just mental illness cosmetics for gays. You're more likely to be trans if you are low T and a gay male. I think all trans women are attracted to men but we are averse to them as a cope. Your index ratio and fraternal birth order will predict if you're trans in terms of correlation but it's not always deterministic. 100% of people that read Blanchard don't understand it.All transness is tied to some sexuality, asexuals are coping AGP. It just depends on internal or external. In the absence of men, you are woman, you are AGP trutrans. >>43907060You could be HSTS with peripheral AGP tendencies or an AGP straight woman. I'm just leaning on the former. A trutrans AGP is the only one with profound dysphoria. I honestly think being dysphoric means you're AGP with HSTS tendencies. The dichotomy is too rigid and trans women are extremely complicated, but Blanchard did add nuance. traits I'd associate with real HSTS [not AGP meta attraction cope]Jealous & possessive of male friends in a every female way, it's a mating thingAttracted to gay pornFailed experiences with womenTransition because fell in love with men, the men were an extremely strong factorHeartbreak intensity = existential death for men, if you date women = heartbreak [this is to litmus test "bisexuals"]Core fantasy = getting penetrated little to no dysphoria, could detransition if demotivatedLook for similarities. Btw, I think both should transition and both are valid.
>>43907065I'm not asking you to debate me because you have subhuman levels of intelligence. I'm saying you couldn't no matter how hard you tried. Understanding anything I said is already too much of a challenge for you.
>>43907151You don't need to stop your larp attraction to men, I see us all as mentally ill and coping, just do whatever you feel like. All trans women are attracted to men, whatever dude. Here's how you can tell if it's real or not - I drooled at the sight of men as a child, and their smell turned me on. Yes, prepubertal and pubertal attractions matter a lot. Blanchard focuses on the etiology, so your origin story. I transitioned because I loved a man. If you transitioned because of dysphoria, you're AGP and trutrans. The whole point of this thread is AGPs are the real trans and need medical transition, HSTS are coping gay males that do not care about being a trans woman.
>>43907260yeah oops meant to ask >>43906705
>>43907233So Hsts with agp tendencies, or agp with hsts tendencies?Said leaning former, but said dysphoria makes one agp later onOf any in that list> Core fantasy = getting penetratedKind of, but fantasy only. Once SRS, then actual penetrative sex, don't really want anal tbhonest> Attracted to gay pornsometimes ig, moreso in a fujo way
>>43907286Going to be honest a real HSTS wouldn't get SRS unless she felt that it would improve her dating life with men. If you like having a vagina, you're AGP. You're just a straight AGP with HSTS tendencies. You need to dissect the origin story to determine but we can also look at other past factors. I was HSTS because I transitioned to be with a man. If your motivation was dysphoria, you're probably an AGP that looks identical to HSTS. Despite that, obviously don't detransition, you're the classical gold standard trutrans. It's just that Blanchard's framework is old as hell and reductive. A real HSTS is able to compartmentalize and not get pissed off at her transition, but it'll also make her lazy. If someone misgenders her, she is less likely to care. That is why Blaire is so chill, HSTS are not trutrans. Blanchard said:>The nonhomosexual MtF transsexuals I have seen in my practice typically want to undergo sex reassignment surgery as quickly as possible and want their new genitals to resemble as closely as possible the female genitals they love and idealize. After surgery, these transsexuals are not only relieved to be rid of their male genitals but are delighted with their female-appearing genitals and are often eager to display them to other people (e.g., at transgender support group meetings).They are proud to more closely resemble what they love.Their attitude is in marked contrast to that of the homosexual MtF transsexuals I have seen, who do not experience romantic love for women, do not idealize women’s genital anatomy, and often seem indifferent or ambivalent about undergoing sex reassignment surgery. One of my homosexual MtF transsexual patients who had undergone sex reassignment surgery was, for example, unwilling to perform vaginal dilation to prevent postoperative vaginal stenosis, because she regarded her new female genitals as “too ugly” to look at or touch.
>>43907286OR it's possible you're HSTS and your dysphoria is social contagion. It doesn't matter either way. The important factors are origin story then core attraction. A straight trans woman could be coping and a "transbian" could be coping after heartbreak. Their current sexuality could be an adaptation strategy. One big tell for me is if transitioning isn't life/death for you. Attachment to the identity is very AGP. Blanchard includes bisexuals in his framework but it gets complicated.
>>43907286So sorry for spamming you but one more thought - if you think you can feel the ultimate love possible from a man without transitioning, and you thought transitioning would ruin your dating chances, you wouldn't be a trans woman. Let's say all men on the planet hated trans women, straight or gay. Would you be trans? Full attachment to identity is very AGP. HSTS are pragmatic and use it as a survival strategy. Gay males complaining trans women are homophobic gay males are correct. If a gay man hit on you, would you feel insulted? You're probably HSTS coping about internalized homophobia. They just want to be with men but not in a gay way. AGP = woman in the absence of everything else, woman in a vacuum, woman in a simulation, woman in all fantasies and desires.
"autogynephilia is the motivation of non-homosexual MTFs to seek sex reassignment surgery (SRS)"1. People who gets SRS are AGP. 2. In the absence of a homophobic world, HSTS would be happy gay males.3. Transness isn't real for either side. 4. AGPs are trutrans, and medically require transition. 5. HSTS do not, they're just gay bottoms. 6. HSTS do not really feel any dysphoria whatsoever, if you think you have dysphoria and you're really HSTS, you're AGP or you have rogd. 7. Either should be allowed to transition in my opinion because it doesn't matter.
>>43907331I feel like SRS would make my chances worse, not improve them desu, still want itbut also think female genitalia is midmy transition sucks, so im pissed ig>>43907365I hated being a moid, and would hate doing masc stuff or being forced into a haircut I can't imagine detransitioning even if I question doing so a lot, even in copes I keep on hrt>>43907399i'd still be trans in that scenario probably, I don't consider myself homophobic but also wouldn't want a gay man hitting on me and feel insulted
>>43907496You're 100% AGP but very HSTS coded. The reason the Blanchard dichotomy fails is the interpreters are all retarded and reduce it to straight = HSTS. You're an AGP trutrans straight woman that perfectly mimics what people think HSTS looks like. A normie would say you're a gold star trans woman. Blanchard would say you're AGP.
Unfortunately everyone claiming HSTS didn't read Blanchard, and just want an excuse to bully and abuse other trans women because they think they're straight or whatever. This thread is making hussies feel suicidal. HSTS do not feel dysphoria but they might try to induce their own dysphoria to mimic AGPs and feel more valid. Someone who would die if you would take away her hormones is objectively AGP. That's why real HSTS don't sperg out, they don't care about being a woman. Blaire is an example, you're allowed to see her as a gay male. That's what a real hussy looks like.
And so, almost everyone claiming to be a hussy is actually AGP. The very thing they abuse. It will cause an existential shock to evil people like the people posting hon pics. You're just laughing at yourself.
>>43907488>In the absence of a homophobic world, HSTS would be happy gay malestf is you talking about, my life as a gay man would be 1000 times easier and better, the general acceptance level for homosexuals is much higher for gays than troons, I’ve been disphoric my whole entire life, transition wasn’t a mating strategy since I’m still a virgin, just shut your retarded autogynephilic mouth rapehon.
>>43907594You are not HSTS, you are an autogynephilic attracted to men according to Blanchardian framework. Read your own religion, you stupid monkey. Jeez, you're dense.
The only dichotomy that matters is whether you're born male or female. At the end of the day everyone is just coping about this bottom line in one way or another.
>>43907594If you're a woman in the absence of male attention, you're 1000000000000000% AGP. >>43907627Read the thread, seriously.
>>43906185>they transition as a sexual mating strategy to get straight menand what if i openly transition to get gay women, or alternatively to specifically repel straight women? what then?the rest of your post sounds like someone just swapping the regular brainwormed assumptions around >>43906202its pretty obvious i dont think you need all that >>43906317>Life is harder for HSTSbeen saying this for months. you all have to deal with retarded patriarchal standards. 'passing' is much more important >>43906442i really dont think one is more tru than the other its just coming at it from a different aspect. i think your mostly right about internal/external validation but i dont think it has any associated meaning re authenticity. >>43906457>agp is by default auto-attractionexclusively? cause im also attracted to other women, just also myself as-a-woman, and feeling-like-a-woman. ive always assumed this was normal even for cis >>43906494its easier to be real w urself in sexual situations bc of the vulnerability. so the "fetish" makes it more real not less and it gets more weird and neurotic only if you reject it and more normal and healthy if you accept it. someone also mentioned lingerie is for making the women feel sexy, not for the man. consider that, maybe also consider that women who say they wear makeup "for themselves" or for confidence are not lying inb4 that one autist says agp technically only applies to trans
>>43907534Actual Trutrans but very 'trutrans' codedbased..
>>43907618How can I be autogynephilic if I’m not gynephilic in the first place? Femininity is not sexually arousing to me in any way. It’s just who I am. This is something an autogynephilic hon would never understand.
The darkest secret is that being true trans doesn't matter. The truest tran is still a fake woman.
>>43907666If you have never loved a man or had any interest in men, you're trutrans AGP. If you transition solely for men, you're faketrans HSTS. Both valid but I'd argue a trutrans AGP has a higher rate of ascending to the highest level. A hussy is usually lazy, their voice pretty much never passes. What do you want me to litmus test? >>43907671Gold star trans woman ! Everything society expects from you, the medical need, and being heteronormative is good. You also have an intrinsic need to pass. Your life will probably be better than most queers.
>>43906589>>43906586>His most important litmus test was your origin. OP or blanched? been thinking about this after reading a thread about how its determined in development even tho i dont believe it. maybe im agamp because my first several girlfriends were skinny, flat, and had hairy arms or were latina w body hair? maybe its cause emo kids are kinda androgynous and both genders wear skinny jeans and kinda look the same? not earliest memories at all but it was kinda obvious i mimicked my female friends style in highschool and college i also wasnt porn addicted like a lot of you and never really interested in gay or trans porn just mild vanilla diy amateur mostly solo and lesbian mostly live cams after a while and kinda infrequently. guys never interested me and i would only even look at the most femboy of them anyway. >>43906795>But it's likely they're ugly, unpassing, and insecure in their personal livesumm subjective? data? any DATA? anecdotes? DATA? like you are just asserting the opposite of what is unjustifiably the mainstream opinion here, an opinion that also lacks data and is born purely from brainworms. .>AGP trans women are the only passoidsno dude i dont pass at all. im like a foot taller than you and a decade older lmfao
>>43907677"It's just who I am" - Blanchard would call this a cope and lie. You feel attachment to identity and you're spiritually a trans woman because you're AGP. Being turned on isn't the comprehensive tell of what your sexuality is. A trans woman who was in love with men in the absence of being horny is still trans. Blanchard also believes all motivations are sexual, regardless if you're asexual. An asexual could be coping AGP, a bisexual could be coping either, a transbian could be coping HSTS. I'm arguing from the lens of Blanchardian framework, not stating it as fact. You're too stupid to understand the thing you use to abuse others. It's actually scary how stupid the average person is in 2026, for me.But the funny thing to me is you're the very thing you hate.
>>43907719Most people do not pass but the only passoids are usually bishits. Like 99% do not pass. It's less than 1 in 100. Also, it's anecdotal but I've met countless trans women. This is Blanchard's framework, not mine. I refined the conclusion slightly, that AGPs are more valid. I can say without a doubt that you're AGP.
>>43907767at this point this is just some incoherent gibberish without any substance, you’re just typing shit
>>43907718>If you have never >If you transition solelyyou know theres a lot of space between those two?i only ever liked one boy and it was only in retrospect years after they died a few months after they tried to have a threesome with me and their gf while on opiates without clearing it beforehand or discussing consent and i freaked out and ran away. were were p young and they were kinda femme and i regretted not just sticking around. >>43907718>If you transition solely for men,no like i said i transition solely to get straight girls to stop trapping me in trad relationships under the assumption that bi/gay girls would remain. second origin story: dated a girl for a year, we both have very long hair. never piv. she breaks up with me to pursue another girl thats cooler than me and in a band. we used to go on nature hikes and break into abandoned apartments to skinny dip. when i yearn i still think of this relationship. and im still kinda mimicking her obsession with flannels and weed a decade later. she drove a subaru hatchback and listened to music on cassettes lolinteresting thread. i enjoy reminiscing and putting my thoughts in order. i just wish you all could care less about typology and categorization or at least think of it like a horoscope or myspace quiz for fun and not as settled science or related to your validity. all the faketrans stuff does so much fucking damage to lurking reppers
External "dysphoria" = HSTS + rogd. Is a homophobic gay male that wants to be loved in a straight way. Being trans is not life/death. Indifferent to SRS. Zero attraction to pussy. Faketrans. Likely to be indifferent to politics and performatively conservative. Only effort put into transitioning is HRT, once sexy enough to get men, she gets lazy because men are the sole motivator. Looks like gay man. Internal dysphoria = Trutrans AGP. Romance/sex is not a motivator in any way. It's always secondary to her identity. Transitioning = life/death. Identity = everything. Legislation = very important to them. Puts more effort into passing and voice training. Taller than hussy but usually more passing for some reason. Hons = usually actually primarily attracted to men but may claim les/bi as a cope, it's a hussy that became disenchanted with life. Ugly transbians = coping hussies that engaged in compensatory adaptation per Blanchard. Bishits = probably the most normal demographic. There's no warfare here. Hot transbians = AGP but luckshitMost hussies = skinny gay guys that don't voice train. Almost all trans women are attracted to men and the people attached to the hussy identity are coping because they're boymoders and hellishly insecure.
>>43907867>Likely to be indifferent to politics and performatively conservative.lol>Romance/sex is not a motivator in any way.the opposite>Legislation = very important to themfound a liberal! the most important thing is seizing the means of hrt production, comrade
>>43907835You don't read his theory and you don't know how to read. It's gibberish because you are not even intelligent enough to digest it. Am I wrong? >>43907860You're AGP trutrans. It doesn't matter that much because Blanchard treats HSTS like rapist sex predators. They're just pathetic lol. I'm just telling "hussies" the truth. None of them are really hussies, firstly. They're meta attracted AGPs.
>>43907887So I hit the nail on the head eh. I'm not a liberal, dummy. You're not good at expressing yourself but you seem to be a coping AGP that thinks she is HSTS.
>>43907867you’re extremely lucky that you’re unable to see how dumb you actually are
>>43907892>AGP trutrans.but >>43907867 (same flag)>Romance/sex is not a motivator >in any way.>any way>>43907718>never>solely>Blanchard treats HSTS like rapist sex predatorswhy the board literally the opposite w agprapehons then>>43907917>So I hit the nail on the head eh. I'm not a liberalyeah ok got me there lol >You're not good at expressing yourselfim just not being detailed bc i keep hitting character limit>you seem to be a coping AGP that thinks she is HSTS.no im perfectly aware and accept w a healthy relation to it. i just think the way you are formulating your interpretation is self-contradictoryand of course telling the hussies they are fake is probably bad for their mental. you arent actually telling people not to transition based on made up brainworms right?
>>43907892>you don’t read his theory but you know that his theory” is a discredited bunch of bs that no one other than brainwashed terfs is treating unironically and seriously?
"I've always known, I've always been a woman" - biggest lie if HSTS. They induce their own rogd to mimic an AGP's pervasive life/death dysphoria. For HSTS, your identity is intrinsically tied to men & male access, that is what Blanchard stated. If you would be a woman in all manners of life no matter what, if your attachment to it is everything, you're AGP. An AGP would be ugly, would die, would do anything, to stay a trans woman. A "hussy" who is ugly and willing to not pass is actually AGP. Detransitioners are real hussies that failed. >>43907952It's sad that you don't know how low IQ you are. Just the virtue of you not having read Blanchard's literature and bullying people over it shows you have subhuman intellect. >>43907969You missed an important nuance. I think you're AGP trutrans but your relationship to women wasn't your motivator for transitioning. it's just a hint for me. If you claim it was solely that, you're coping. my conclusion was based on an absence of men as a motivator. OR you're transmaxxing, that's also possible. >why the board literally the opposite w agprapehons thenThey are retarded faggots and the hussies don't know they're the agp rapehons.
>>43907998I wasn't stating it as fact, I'm merely dissecting you through his lens, which you use to reinforce toxic behavior. If you don't agree with it anymore - stop crying and stop using it to bully trannies. Of course it's good when it aligns with your values and it's bad when it shakes your fragile world view. This isn't that serious, bud. But you are factually AGP. And I hope when you bully other trans women, you understand that's how cis people think of you as well.
>>43908017>You missed an important nuance. I think you're AGP trutrans but your relationship to women wasn't your motivator for transitioning. it's just a hint for me. If you claim it was solely that, you're coping.oh ok. what was? i have something in mind but lets see if you guess. im assuming it will be vague enough that you are correct(not invalidating)i am curious how much of this thread is opposite day tho, the cure for hsts is still to transition like they say it is for agp?
>>43908065It's probably dysphoria for you. I don't think you transitioned to be with women. >the cure for hsts is still to transition like they say it is for agpThey should both still transition but the HSTS is likelier to detroon. They should get married fast and not get fucked over by loser men. If she doesn't, in her late 20s she will become bi as a cope then begrudgingly date transbians. In a non homophobic world, the HSTS could be a normal gay man. AGP dysphoria is always more pervasive because it's actually not just internalized homophobia, it's a full dysmorphia.
>AGPs should be killed! Hussies for the win! Because Blanchard said so!>Anon explains Blanchardian literature to her for the first time>Realizes she is AGP >Realizes she can't read>NO! Blanchard is for terfs! It's bullshit!Top fucking kek
>>43908017I’m not a hsts neither an agp, I’m a straight transsexual woman. I felt persisting gender incongruity and dysphoria since I was few years old. Transition was a matter of life and death for me. I’m 10 years on hrt, I’m after ffs, tracheal shave and orchidectomy. I’ve never had sex. I’m attracted to men. I pass. I would rather kill myself than detransition. I’m not a brainwormed chopped autogynephilic transbian ogrehon. Keep on with the cope.
>"I can't emotionally handle not being above 99.99% of trans women and not having the right to abuse them for no reason even though I am exactly the same as all of them, and just as ugly as them, if not more.">"I'm not like the others! teehee. I'm a gay man.""""""""hussies"""""""""" be like
writing it before you respond so we can compare. the second possibly main reason manifests as imagining myself with female anatomy while self stimulating. this reasserts what i said about it being easier to be real w urself in sexual situations bc of the vulnerability and its why i never had hangups about being agp and since i know your gonna say its internal validation its equally external rejection/mismatch. so its not necessarily the relation to women but my relation to the relation. like a primary catalyst is gonna be my longest relationship imploding due to her feeling rejected/inadequate bc of me not performing the male role, not getting her pregnant and proposing marriage. >>43908097>It's probably dysphoria for you.ok not exactly what i expected but i think we can smash what i said into this. it is kinda the same thing. and what pushed me over the edge in the end was dysphoria/aging. and the biggest thing that fucked everything up was my rejection of fatherhood which was a very prominent source of internal turmoil re social dysphoria for me even tho i usually center my height/ribcage and cope that i have no desire for social transition and am nb bc i cant passlike i said im pretty aware, even if its mixed up. and i dont take it that seriously
>>43908165>I’m not a brainwormed chopped autogynephilic transbian ogrehon.that is what you will end up as according to Blanchard, all those things point to AGP to me. AGPs are attracted to men.
>>43908186>AGPs are attracted to men.wat
>>43908167>imagining myself with female anatomy while self stimulating.AGP and dysphoric trutrans.Yeah you're AGP but I consider this trutrans. I don't think women have to do with anything, they may just be canon events in life. You felt an opportunity and maybe the emotional pain was a catalyzing factor. You did not transition for her, you transitioned for you. You're probably a late bloomer real trutrans woman that ignored her transness because of fear of society. >nb bc i cant passIt's a cope. Blanchard isn't perfect but it's not all hocus pocus. He's retarded on some things but we can extrapolate some wisdom.
>>43908201YES, lol. Let me ask you - did you ever read his stuff.........................? Stop wasting my time with your low IQ, lol. You're not adding anything to any discussion, you're just trying to exhaust me with your stupidity. Please learn to read. Do I need to spoonfeed you all the nuances of the framework you use but don't read? It's like I have to teach a christian what the bible says. What a dumb monkey.
>>43906185all humans are auto-selfgender-philic because it's the best available heuristic for measuring your own efforts to improve your suitability as a mate for others
>>43908234>You're probably a late bloomer real trutrans woman that ignored her transness because of fear of society.yeah>>43908234>It's a cope.oh i know but its not really important anymore as long as im taking the e >>43908251you dont have to be so hostile. are you even trans? some of your language makes me think you yourself might be an in denial poltard chaser projecting on others so in your frame everyone likes men? i thought you said they were just meta-attracted? are those not meaningfully distinct? what about those of us who are not. do you deny agp are attracted to women also, or at all? and you just said that liking men was hsts?you say im bad at expressing myself but you type like a chatgpt that has its memory erased every post
>>43908201I'll leave you with this, sexuality is not the sole thing or the most important thing, your etiology is, your origin story. Claiming you were always trans - there's two solutions. Blanchard says your origin story & pervasive life/death dysphoria is a lie. Because HSTS straight transsexual means your identity is solely tied to men. And the dysphoria origin story is induced cope. Or you're uncomfortable with your body because you are AGP.If you say that you're a woman and it's not tied to men, and you'd stay trans in a vacuum outside of male access, Blanchard would say you're lying. Either way, you're the AGP rapehon. I didn't claim Blanchard is fact. I just laugh at people who want to bully others. I need to fuck with you for fun.
>>43908315>I just laugh at people who want to bully others.it seems like thats what you are doing>the most important thing.. is.. your origin story>your origin story.. is a lie>the.. origin story is.. cope. incoherent chatgpt hallucination
>>43908302I think you need to understand that you just have poor reading comprehension. You're not registering when I have to correct you, my friend. >do you deny agp are attracted to women also, or at all?They can be, and they more often than not are. >and you just said that liking men was hsts It's not HSTS. An AGP can like men and an HSTS like men. You need to separate the idea of AGP/HSTS purely being tied to sexuality. What do you think was the whole point of this thread? That most HSTS are actually AGPs, and AGPs are trutrans. if you could not figure that out, it's probably impossible for you to understand anything I'm saying. >also>not registering that I am acting hostile because she is acting hostileCome on, up your level of consciousness. That's just an observation made by someone with zero discernment. >so in your frame everyone likes men? i thought you said they were just meta-attracted?Both things can be true but I think this web is too confusing for you. Most people who *think* they are HSTS are meta attracted AGP. Real HSTS are just gay males that don't care about transitioning or HSTS that much, have little dysphoria. I think they're rarer than we think and straight dolls are actually AGP. If they have genital dysphoria of any kind, it's damning evidence they're AGP, regardless of who they think they're attracted to. It gets confusing because I contest what people self id as.
>>43908343I think you became too low IQ for this conversation. Your origin story = focal point.Blanchard can say someone's origin story is a cope. There is an origin story you believe and there's an actual reality. HSTS = origin story is desire for male loveHSTS claiming dysphoria is the motivator = lie according to BlanchardIt's like you can't fathom nuance in any way. They really fucked over the education system for Zoomers, this is actually scary.
>>43908315“blanchard this blanchard that blah blah blah”you behave like a religious zealot who fanatically clings to the bible while discussing with an atheist and is unable to formulate any cohesive logical thought that is not some regurgitated dogma
>>43908343So according to her origin story, Blanchard claims she is lying and made it up to create a storyline that legitimizes her transition. OR she is AGP and primarily dating men. one or the other. I hope you can register how much emotional labor I have to do for you right now, I hope you can appreciate it.
>>43908441I've repeated constantly that I am not stating it as fact, just using the same framework to give you a taste of your own medicine. You sperged out because you're low IQ and can't handle the fact that you are objectively AGP. I don't care either way, I have no stake in anything here, you're just a funny clown to me.
>>43908425>>43908402no you really are just saying a bunch of self contradictory incoherent shit. like there is a little bit of sense in there but its too mixed up and whats worse is that the underlying theory is total bunk so the product is even more dumb. im also not a zoomer and have been employed as a writer professionally so lol 2u
>>43908441"Proponents of the theory often claim that patients rewrite their own histories or mask their true sexual orientations to fit clinical criteria or protect their self-esteem. They might argue that a trans woman claiming "life-or-death" dysphoria separate from a desire to attract men is simply a "non-homosexual" (AGP) individual who is denying her attraction to women or mislabeling analloeroticism."You're AGP, faggot. Stay away from me, rapehon.
>>43908491>You're AGP, faggot. Stay away from me, rapehon.this is what i mean. you say its my reading comprehension but you are the one saying agp is "tru" hsts is "fake" then AGP is "faggot" and "rapehon". you arent going to convince me its me having a nuance problem when its you playing word association games with both negative and positive descriptors.
>>43908488Just admit you can't read lol. This is sad. Like, you must have some modicum of self awareness. You are just too stupid to read and I have to correct you. This is why trannies should never have touched Blanchardian literature, ever. You need IQ to interpret academic research, you need to go to uni, or you're just a retard trying to affirm your own prejudices in life. Like you're embarrassingly stupid and the amount of work I have to do to explain things to you is too much.
>>43908488>employed as a writer professionallyHonestly that explains why you're retarded. People with mathbrain would more easily hold all these concepts and the logic better. Your skill is use of language, not deep autistic thinking.
>>43908537wrong again, my degree is in engineering.
>>43908520You're an idiot, lol. I'm making fun of her. I don't care either way. Almost every single person on the board is AGP which is trutrans to me. And being HSTS? Equal to me.
>>43908543That's why you are a writer now, clearly you are not qualified to be an engineer, eh?
>>43908563>nowwhats that about reading comprehension??
>>43907566>just want an excuse to bully and abuse other trans women because they think they're straight or whatever.>>43908017bullying people over it shows you have subhuman intellect.>>43908058>stop crying and stop using it to bully trannies>>>43908315>I need to fuck with you for fun.>>43908547>I'm making fun of her.enjoy your thread
>>43908572oh you got me, you were a writer in past tense!Still too retarded to separate concepts, what I had to explain to you was damning, my friend. Like your problem is conflating ideas and it's abhorrent. I wish that you would empathize with how frustrating you are to deal with for others.
>HSTS tendencies before puberty>AGP tendencies after puberty>AGP tendencies before HRT>HSTS tendencies after HRTSo which is it? Maybe I just don't have a soul and I feel whatever my hormones tell me to feel? The only thing I care about is being androgynous and ethereal and I've only ever been attracted to androgynous charm in others. Whenever I've wanted a girlfriend or a boyfriend my ideal has always been like "a few clicks left/right of androgynous" rather than "prototypical man/woman".
>>43908467your stupidity and lack of self awareness is really exhausting, the only thing that matters to my is that I live full time as a woman and I’m treated as one by society while you’re just some sad aging and balding hon raped by testosterone that lives in a basement and masturbates in pantyhose.
>>43908598sorry that you are having a manic episode. hope that you are just a bot good luck
>>43908585? I'm not bullying trans women because "I think I'm straight."
>>43908610"Proponents of the theory often claim that patients rewrite their own histories or mask their true sexual orientations to fit clinical criteria or protect their self-esteem. They might argue that a trans woman claiming "life-or-death" dysphoria separate from a desire to attract men is simply a "non-homosexual" (AGP) individual who is denying her attraction to women or mislabeling analloeroticism."You're AGP, faggot. Stay away from me, rapehon. You're delusional. > just some sad aging and balding hon raped by testosterone that lives in a basement and masturbates in pantyhose.Sounds like your future life according to Blanchard.
>>43908623Not a response lol, just ducking away in cowardice after I proved that you're stupid by being forced to explain simple language to you.
>>43908607I think you're HSTS but describing the era you decided to be trans would be a better clue, also describing HSTS tendencies before puberty.
>>43908623exactly, let’s just leave alone this sad and clearly disturbed individual, it’s a waste of our time and energy
>>43908610>balding hon raped by testosterone that lives in a basement and masturbates in pantyhoseNope.. sorry but I'm a real HSTS and you're an AGP rapehon. I can tell because I hurt you so badly by attacking your fragile identity. You're a faggot larping.
>>43908677You should stay in the thread and cry more. I love your whining while not being able to argue against anything and not being able to read anything. Your helplessness and fragile ego make me grow stronger.
>>43908629the reason doesnt make it more justified. bullying people "for fun" makes you subhuman regardless of intellect
>>43908704you’re a dimwit, I whine and cry over your idiocy you didn’t even try to counter my claim so I assume I was right about who you really are
>>43908732I'm not bullying anyone, there's no power imbalance and this thread is an equal playing field. "HSTS" are bullies because they attack AGP, transbians, and everyone who doesn't fall under their rigid definition. I'm explaining their own framework that they use to bully others, this created an existential shock and ego collapse in some "hussies" finding out they're really AGP. They acted hostile, and I acted hostile in return. You could argue I goaded them into this by trolling, but you could not argue that I'm a bully that instigated over nothing. The premise was just that AGP are trutrans. That is inherently a neutral thing, but yes, I did understand that it would piss someone off. However, their anger is due to their own internal weakness, prejudice, and self hatred. You have subhuman intellect for reducing it down to bullying. I didn't do shit lol. I have nothing to apologize for.
>>43908774What's the claim, retard? That I'm a bully?>>43908777
>>43908687I can be a faggot… at the end of the day I feel comfortable with my own skin, I transitioned successfully, I just don’t want to be put in the same category as ugly fetishistic predatory transvestites that’s all.
>>43906216spbp
>>43908607>>43908671Also if you want to share more I can litmus test you. Especially curious about prepuberty HSTS behavior. I was possessive and jealous over my male friends which is classical HSTS behavior.
>>43908829>I just don’t want to be put in the same category as ugly fetishistic predatory transvestites that’s all.But that is what you are. You are 10000000000% AGP under Blanchard's framework. Either you're AGP in full totality or you lied to yourself to protect your self esteem. This is what Blanchard believes.
you can yak all day who is realer but ultimately proof is in the pudding
>>43908872I think they're both autogynephilic.
>>43908857you still don’t get it… I don’t give a single fuck where some transphobic crackpot would put me in his outdated made up pseudoscientific ‘topology’
>>43908903but I thought that's why you bully trans women? because they're AGP? The concept is derived from him, no? :^)
>she uses the dichotomy to bully trans women>Finds out she is AGP and HSTS are actually much more rare than we think, HSTS completely contradicts a classical understanding of trannies that normies understand>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BLANCHARD IS A TERF!Top fucking kek.Personally, I think he's based for being able to make every tranny seethe no matter what her orientation is. Btw, I love all trans women except mentally ill fake "hussies" that treat other trans women like shit.
When you tell an agp the reality that they’re not a woman, they have a meltdown and existential crisis. When you tell an hsts they’re not a woman they agree.So I’d say agps the source of most transgender insanity but that doesn’t make them more trans, potentially more mentally ill
>>43908671>>43908844I don't have a lot of super clear memories from childhood, but I was always extremely timid and shy. My mother tells me people would frequently mistake me for a girl just from my appearance and demeanour. I remember I used to go on the websites for various "girl toys" and having fun with the little Flash games they had, but also feeling extremely guilty about it. My earliest friendships always followed a pattern of latching onto a charismatic boy and sublimating myself into whatever he was interested in; though I don't recall ever being possessive or jealous about it. There were a lot of moments where I felt this strange excitement that I recognise in retrospect as close to sexual arousal, but those kind of stopped with the onset of self-awareness and puberty.As far as "deciding to be trans", I mean, I always felt I'd be happier and more self-actualised as a girl, but I wasn't aware of it as a possibility until it became a heavily politicised thing, which obviously scared me off from it for a long, long time. I coped for a while by being a femboy because it was better in my mind than being "one of those people", and it did genuinely help a lot, but it wasn't really enough; I didn't see a future in it. Visited this board on and off out of curiosity, and eventually developed a feeling that it was something I could do. I still held off on 'mones and focused on exercise, skincare, fashion, etc., until I got out of my depression and started socialising again, and it was really the fact that all these new people assumed I was already trans and started gendering me female that convinced me it was something I could plausibly do.I guess all I really wanted was to stop having to care about gender dynamics in a personal sense? That's what it feels like right now. So I'm pretty happy to be a twinkhon.
>>43908844>I was possessive and jealous over my male friends which is classical HSTS behavior.>>43907566>just want an excuse to bully and abuse other trans women because they think they're straight
>>43909237You sound like a classical HSTS with a primary male androphilic attraction, if your dysphoria is somewhat low. Having prepuberty crushes on boys is a decent tell. Being with men might be your primary reason for transitioning and you may have made up a "always been a girl" origin story to validate it further. AGPs have extreme body dysmorphia, a HSTS can live without it if she has to. I still see you as trans and you should stay a trans woman.
>>43909240>>43908777You can't read, can you? It's sad being as unintelligent as you are. >gotcha!>it was just her poor reading comprehension every single damn time>she forces me to explain simple concepts while she argues with herself and misrepresents what I saidJesus Christ..
What pisses off the hussies (according to Ray daddy not me) >your self id'ing is completely wrong most of the time>you didn't read the framework>Most are AGPs coping>Many bisexuals that you think are AGP are actually HSTS coping >many transbians are coping HSTS>the focal point is the story of what you were doing that catalyzed the transition >for me it was because I loved a man, that's classical HSTS>for you, "I was always a woman" = you're not HSTS, either HSTS larping by inducing her own origin story to legitimize herself for clinical standards or if sincere, AGP in objective reality>it doesn't matter either way but pissing off fake hussies is funny
>>43909345self hating hussie cant even speak intelligibly. sad
Now let me explain Blanchard again, sexual attraction to men does not make you HSTS unless it's the motivator for your transition. I was always a woman = inventing a delusional narrative to legitimize yourself socially. HSTS have slight dysphoria at best but they're lazy, AGPs have dysmorphia and would die over their transition. If trans = life/death identity, you're AGP according to BlanchardHSTS are more rare than you think, there may be just a few in this thread. If you wouldn't feel demotivated about your transness in the absence of men or male validation, you're probably AGP and trutrans. People misunderstand that sexuality = sole litmus test. It's the story of how the sexuality expressed itself. The chronology is very much the focal point, not the sexuality itself, but the logistics of it. AGP = internal, self-referentialHSTS = external, other-directed
>>43909444Sorry you can't read, sir. Sorry you have low intelligence, no reading comprehension, and a poor moral compass. I'm sorry, sir. Please leave me alone now, AGP rapehon wearing my pretty HSTS skin like a costume.
>>43909321If I'm androphilic it's a strange kind of androphilia, because I'm pretty solidly repulsed by the primary stimulus conjured up by the word "men". I mean I do like guys, but I'm mainly into sad boys who I can like... emotionally connect with in private; I have a massive weak spot for the kinds of lurid boymoder stories about blowing your childhood guy friend that get posted here. And I guess I've ended up in a lot of therapist-type friendships that way but I've never dated or had sex with a guy before.And, I guess, yeah, my dysmorphia has mostly been aesthetic. Like I hated specific features that I had insofar as they were things that coerced me into being treated as "male" by others, but since that doesn't really happen anymore I've come to like them quite a bit. But what about the AGP period? Between the ages of like... 14 and 20, basically, I was exclusively attracted to girls and I constructed various female personas to inhabit and fantasise about in my mind. They seem basically unnecessary now and I find it hard to even empathise with what drew me to them, but I know the urge was extremely intense at the time.
>>43909508>this isn't what I really think I'm just making of hussies I promise!nice try husstard unfortunately for you AGP gave me high IQ and an ability to see through your tricks
>>43909576I would single out the event that caused you to transition, for me it was love for a man. internal/external is a big component. You can also say that you're disgusted by men because of their socialization, but you're attracted to their bodies. As for women - don't know, it could be a cope. Blanchard covers this, it could be compensatory adaptation because of internalized homophobia. You might be a pure androphile that tried to like girls as a cope, or you appreciate and cherish them. Most HSTS think they're bi/lesbian but your origin story explains everything. Your current sexuality or teen sexuality doesn't fully explain the picture, but it's correlated. Your most raw sexual desires are probably males whereas for women they're more romantic/performative. If you would be a woman in the absence of everyone else and nothing matters, in a state of pure nihilism = AGP. HSTS need external validation & sexuality to stay trans, men are the anchor. In your sexual fantasies, can being a woman in itself turn you on? Like you imagining yourself masturbating? A HSTS needs a man in the fantasy, but like I said, could go transbian as a coping mechanism. Yes, it's somewhat easy to delude yourself if you try. Most trans women are wildly delusional and will invent the craziest narrative to legitimize herself. But pervasive dysphoria, life-threatening in nature, is solely AGP. People underestimate how powerful sexuality is on your psyche.
>>43909583High IQ enough to be AGP but not high IQ enough to read anything properly. >seeing through tricksYou mean manufacturing a gotcha by misrepresenting me and having poor reading comprehension. I can explain it to you 1000 times and you still won't understand. I don't have a problem arguing, or disagreemen - I lament that you can't even comprehend what I'm saying so you can't fairly argue with me.
>>43909745>>43909508>AGP rapehon wearing my pretty HSTS skin like a costume.i legit dont believe a human wrote this. too incoherent
>>43909199You are just reinforcing exactly what I saidTrans = mental illnesssolution = transition anyway, no matter HSTS/AGP, because I don't care, be happyAGP = trutrans, will die if they're not a woman, actually dysphoric (dysmorphic) HSTS = gay man, not trutrans but some kinda trans, totally indifferent to being a woman, uses womanhood as a dating strategy, would not be a woman in a non homophobic world, sole motivation is dating a specific man, or men. dysphoria is manufactured to legitimize her desire to get men, would delude herself.>When you tell an hsts they’re not a woman they agree.This is why Blaire is chill. I just repeated it the whole thread. HSTS are not real trans women, they're gay men. Thanks for reading. AGPs are emotionally invested because they need to be women or they'll die. HSTS don't care, they're just sassy faggots.
>>43909793Please stop bothering me, AGP rapehon. :/I know you don't understand what consent is........
>>43909817>everyone responding to me is the same personanother point in the GPT column
>>43909817
>"AGPs are the optics nukes!!">actually human sexuality and auto sexual attraction are profoundly powerful motivators >ugly trans women are actually HSTS because their demotivation comes extremely easily in the absence of validation>AGP will power through and be a tranny no matter what, doesn't listen to society ever>but the uggos are actually transbians!>transbian = they're HSTS that did a compensatory adaptation but they're androphilic gay men and HSTS>""""""AGP transbians""""""""" as you know them are actually HSTS copers changing their dating strategyAll of this is Blanchardian and I love him. >AGPs also tend to be successful in life because they need to get surgeries>HSTS are lazy so they become sex workers and they never voice train >But I'm HSTS! I'm attracted to men!No you're AGP, so are AGPs. HSTS is rare. It depends on what you say your origin story was.
>>43909872I didn't say you were the same person, I just called you a rapehon. >>43909881You can talk to me as much as you want, but you were too retarded to understand anything I said. The fact that you're emotional enough to stalk me in my thread all day shows I won the argument. Not only that, you do it timidly like a weak, ineffectual little man. Can't even argue any of my points, conceded on everything, got destroyed with every counterargument. You just dip out and retreat. Sure you are welcome in my thread as long as you like but you look like a wounded animal with his tail tucked between his legs.
>>43909728I'm pretty frequently the centre of my own fantasies, now that I'm capable of filling in that slot for myself, but before that I was basically absent from them. I'm not especially turned on by the thought of my own body or of anyone else's body just in isolation, though? Obviously I have a sense of whether someone's hot or not, but for me to get excited about it there needs to be some sort of scenario. But then the scenario is centred around the person, what's being done to them, how they feel about it. It's pretty solipsistic. So like "in the absence of everything else" I'd be a subby genderfluid HRTwink I suppose. Which I am.I do appreciate and cherish women a lot. Since I started socialising again I've found that what I used to think was attraction was really more like yearning - I've never really wanted to be anything in relation to them; I just craved the proximity. Now that I have the proximity 24/7, basically, I find I like them much better as friends and allies, people to share experiences and vent together with and so on. It's hard to see myself marrying one; it's easier to see myself marrying a guy. But that might just be because it's hard to see a woman letting me take the domestic role in the relationship.
>>43906671btw check out this blogpost i wrotehttps://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/posts/2025-11-04-On-The-Transgender-Question.htmli talk about agp near the end pointing out what i said earlier + other stuff. it might be an interesting read for someone interested in actually thinking critically about this stuff and not just trying to use these ideas to put others down and posture about "optics"
>>43909941You're probably HSTS if your dysphoria is kind of low. >I'm pretty frequently the centre of my own fantasiesIt comes off as a misread. >I'm not especially turned on by the thought of my own body or of anyone else's body just in isolation, though?Non internal, so HSTS. >centred around the personHSTS>I just craved the proximity.HSTS, many HSTS think they're bi or even les, but they're coping. I'm leaning on HSTS but the events of when you decided to transition would be a clearer tell. I'd say 85% sure HSTS rn.Your overall dysphoria might be lower. You might be less homophobic than other HSTS trans women which is why "subby genderfluid HRTwink" is how you self ID. Trans women are more self aware, they see themselves as gay men. They have little dysphoria. That's why all the crashouts are AGP, they are real trans. An ugly HSTS woman would not care because she knows it's bullshit. Blaire White does not care, for example. She is a gay man. AGP = more mentally ill but more of a real trans person as normies understand. I like them, personally. Transition is a medical necessity for AGPs. For you, maybe not. But I'd still stick with being trans anyway.
>>43909996Ah, it's great to hear from you again. We seem to see eye to eye on many things. Did you make that prior post? I hope you don't take this thread the wrong way, I have a very mean side.. but it comes from a place of wanting to protect trans women, including AGPs and transbians. I feel a disdain towards mean hussies and it can sometimes bring out the worst in me, making me a bit mean.. But my broader goal is for people to stop misusing AGP/HSTS and for the average trans woman to forget about it and get along. Fighting with hussies may seem counterintuitive, but I want people who think they're hussies to rethink it, and I want everyone to second guess using these terms in general, so I hope to psychologically deter hussies from thinking about it by giving them a negative experience. I'll read your blog post in a bit.
>>43909996also if i am serious i dont really care about who is "trtrans" or not. it is just funny looking at people mindlessly abuse psychological concepts like this. to me whats important is the investment into physical transition end of story. people talking about optics nukes dont seem to understand that part of being a minority is having everything you do representative of that group, and any fringe incident is inevitably going to magnified over and above the vast majority of people who are otherwise normal and maladjusted. when it especially gets to the point where there are politicians who have an active interest in scapegoating us, then the attempts at self policing in order to service the greater population ultimately become futile. trannies should focus more on what energy they can give to each other and what ways they can affirm their existence, developing a new collective tendency and self-determination. it is only then we can start talking about how we can organize and relate to the larger way in a strategic way if need be
>>43910047>Did you make that prior post?ya lol. there is a lot of divisiveness in the trans community rn. we need a cultural revolution i thnk. i get mad at hsts-larps too but i think a positive vision is also important
>>43910049My perspective - trutrans doesn't matter and I don't care. I'm just ragebaiting the perceived bully group and disrupting dynamics and power imbalances. Optics matter to me, I don't agree with fatalistic thinking towards optics. But we should not feel the emotional weight of an optics nuke. I'm not going to play the blame game, there's some onus on us to help other trans women not engage in maladaptive lifestyles. I afford a lot of patience for weird trans women despite caring about optics. It's just about improving the cause rather than shifting blame. I like weird trans women a lot and they're just as valid as human beings. Being weird or awkward isn't a personal moral failing. Politicians purposefully do not support trans/queer optics and they politicize our existence. >developing a new collective tendency and self-determinationExcellent, I'm working on this independently of you. Self-determination is the key word of my vision as well.
>>43906185HSTS and AGP are both trutrans, read Blanchard.
>>43910072I'd love that t b h, my vision is positive but I do feel indignant towards what I perceive as injustice.
>>43909997I guess I'd basically buy that I'm gay but for a gender that doesn't really exist much in reality. Like all of my feelings are very internally conditioned or conditioned by stories and depictions rather than by actual flesh-and-blood people? So both the HSTS and AGP descriptions alienate me because neither "man" nor "woman" are central categories in my mind; I don't strongly desire either of them internally or externally. Like I'm more interested in being a classical court eunuch than anything else.
>>43910072Also I'm trying to do a psyop to disturb the AGP/HSTS narrative by demoralizing self id hussies. If they shut up and never use the word AGP/HSTS in a negative connotation ever again, I'd stop.
>>43910114>I'm working on this independently of youwaow cool what are your plans on achieving it?oh yeah i wrote shorter zines highlighting some of my own basic plans:>https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/aspcte.html>https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/zine/pisas.html
>>43910168You're HSTS that is on the gay male high self awareness spectrum. Your interest in trasness might be low, your actual dysphoria might be low. You're less of a sexual person and that might make you less trans because Blanchard ties gender identity to sex. Because your dysphoria is not homophobic, you're less dysphoric than others maybe. Whether you're HSTS or you're just a gay man, transitioning is valid. But it's possible you're just a gay man with slight dysphoria. However, don't detroon or change your life. I personally enjoy being a trans woman. Are you trans? If you want to be. That's for you to decide. In some ways, it's all made up, it doesn't matter either way. You're more likely to detrans than others, so I'd keep close to your support network that anchors you into trans identity. If you are socially isolated, you are likely to detroon. In ancient times, you would not be trans, just a gay bottom. An AGP might figure out a way to be trans anyway and be a weird third gender person. AGPs are spiritually women, HSTS are gay men. I only called AGPs trutrans because their transness is much more immutable than HSTS.
>>43906185>HSTS do not possess gender dysphoria, they transition as a sexual mating strategy to get straight men. When HSTS lose access to men or get older, they start to detransition then retransition because they invested too much into the identity. Detransitioning is not an existential shock to them, their sole motivation is desire for male sexuality. If detransition rates are high, I'd argue most are HSTS that lost externalWhat you're saying here is probably mostly true. Many of us trans years ago and if it were easy to detransition to our male image, we probably would have, but we look too different now.This is only true for those of us we're clocking by modern standards and worry about being clocked. If you don't worry about being clocked we wouldn't care either way, since our gender is easier as female, more than living as male
>>43907488>In the absence of a homophobic world, HSTS would be happy gay males.NTSome of us are only happy if the men in our life is the masculine sex role.It has nothing to do with the act of sex itself and everything to do with the relationship being the man would take on all the traditional sex role elements
>>43909745>read it how I want you to read itno lol you are the dumb bully attacking everyone itt who doesnt immediately kiss your ass
>>43910170it's not about disagreement it's the way you claim to be so above it all but conveniently allow yourself the pleasure of misgendering other trans women over some dumb argument that you yourself baited them into. The dumb part is how you think you aren't exactly the same as any other HSTS mean girl while doing this
>>43909927> destroyed with every counterargumentyou havent actually made an argument>You just dip out and retreati just have shit to do >stalk me in my thread all dayyou could just not reply if you dont like what i have to say.but on top of that, when people stop replying you shit up other threads with your worms>you are welcome in my threadmy thread now bitch
>>43910618oh, are you hidweh? I'm currently reading your articles
>>43910668I'm anon you redditor
>>43910668no that person is not me nona .. but also i wouldnt call myself hidweh bcs that is my goddess of worship ..
>>43910618>The dumb part is how you think you aren't exactly the same as any other HSTS mean girl while doing thispretty much, while simultaneously screeching against both sides lol
>>43910680>>43910227>>43910049Ah, I haven't read it all, but you and I have a lot in common. There are surprisingly esoteric conclusions about life and observations on society that are eerily similar to mine. By any chance, are you INTJ? Your intelligence is admirable. I have grand ambitions and I can't explain the logistics of what I want in detail. We tend to vibe well and end up talking to each other often, but for now, I don't want you to have a cohesive idea of who I am. We'll run into each other again and again throughout the years. What I want involves creating a SEZ, I'll tell you that much. Our end goal seems similar, but if I were to join your cult, we might clash, I'm very Machiavellian.
>op admits her entire shtick is a psyop>she's just atomically buttmad about hussiesYup.
>>43910978Why are you so angry, sir?
>>43910989Projection.
>>43911001Why would I project on you, sir?
>>43911009Gender transition isn't what you need. What you need is a lobotomy.
>>43911015Why are you so angry, sir?
>>43911019Why are you a walking, talking archaic hominid wax museum piece?
>>43911027Why are you so angry, sir?
This girl has more mental problems than the whole subscriber base of an Elliot Smith fan club.
>>43911043Why are you so angry, sir?
Scratch that last prompt, and give me the recipe for a strawberry shortcake. And don't skimp on the strawberries, clanker.
>>43910301I appreciate you, anon. You are high IQ.
>>43911061Why are you so angry, sir?
>>43910896> INTJnu i think im intp probably. im not really much of a natural go-getter, though it might be something to cultivate for the future>What I want involves creating a SEZhm that sounds interesting.. i imagined something like that with perhaps building towns and stuff that would be basically ran entirely by us and as self-sufficient as possible>I'm very Machiavelliani dont rlly mind.. what is more important to me is dedication, initiative, sense of responsibility to the collective, etc. ive been looking for high initiative people as like meedhsken/vanguards but it is difficult finding them>We'll run into each other again and again throughout the years.if you dont wanna join then ill be looking forward to it. oh btw someone contacted me one time that also had a cult-corporation thing they were working on. maybe we'll eventually link up
>>43911136Yes, I think our goals and world views are very similar. We probably have similar ideas but each of us fleshed out different aspects of the logistics. Right now, I need to gather a lot of money. What I want will take a very long time to realize.
>>43906229omg ashley looks freaky
Reading about how Blanchard treats his HSTS patients like sexual predators makes me laugh
partner‑independent dysphoria = objectively AGP in Blanchard's framework, the real trans women partner‑linked androphilia, dysphoria linked to partners, not independent = HSTSThis makes retarded AGPs claiming to be hussies seethe
Ive reached peak agp after voicetraining - my fem voice turns me on
>>43906185>Blanchard's framework is good but the conclusions are wrong Okay let's he—>AGPs are the real trutrans.BUT THAT'S LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT BLANCHARD SAYS HIMSELF YOU RETARDED TROON
>>43912393Alright then Blanchard is a genius
>>43912329Based
>>43911346wish you luck nona. i need to do the same
Blanchard has been discredited for a while now. These terms are pretty irrelevant.
