Why are trans pro conversion therapy
>>43919113Who cares bro the bitch walled. We got to see prime Ellen. That's all that matters.
saar why are trans this way saar pleese explain saar
>>43919113I should conversion therapy the tranny out of myself tbdesu
Ban twitter screencap threads!
>>43919113The one true Achilles
>>43919199unfathomably based
turns out anything becomes true if you lie
>>43919199It's called X now grandpa
>>43919248>Hormone repacement therapy is not conversion therapy because... uhh... IT JUST ISN'T OK, CHUD ??
>>43919288>faggot redefining shit so he can be the victim againSorry queer you had your moment in the spotlight already
>>43919113Im being told this is men
>>43919288>>43919113>OP: "Why I am an Israeli saaar pretending to be white republican defending anti-american terrorism and pedophilia. How could you tell? 50 rupees has been deposited into my goat stomach sack. Thank you saars thankyou "
>>43919354More of a man than I ever was. He's taller too!
>>43919333>Ignore the meaning of words. Conversion therapy is only bad in the exact circumstances we said it was bad!>>43919358Schizobabble.
>>43919388>dont ignore the meaning I made up!!Retarded faggot
>>43919354He looks better and happier as a man and I’m tired of pretending he doesn’t
>>43919402Which meaning? of conversion or therapy?
>>43919478>debate me and my retard semantics!!!
>>43919388You’re the one who’s ignoring the meaning of words here, bucko.
>>43919562Oh that's even better>Transitioning turns you from gay to straight or vice versa but it totally isn't conversion therapy!!
>>43919113IDGAFWCOTAD
>>43919901>A lesbian calling herself a man makes her straight but her sexual orientation is unchanged rly mks u thnk
>>43919722>No attempt has been made to change who Elliot Page is attracted to, but I nevertheless claim that he has undergone conversion therapy because … uh … BECAUSE HE CALLS HIMSELF A MAN NOW, OK?Amathia moment https://youtube.com/shorts/k_0-xgqbPns
>>43920112Completely missing the point, which is that you’re taking the change of label as effecting “conversion therapy”, even though no attempt has been made to change who Elliot Page is attracted to
>>43919288meaning is use. this is why language is a perpetual political battleground. you are playing with an ambiguity in "conversion therapy" in which it is admissible to refer to transition as conversion because transition is a type of conversion. but what you elide with your gay little sleight of hand is that what we all use "conversion therapy" to mean is "INVOLUNTARY conversion therapy." coercive nature is implied by the term. you are a liar and a cannibal, like every person who wishes to autocratize and dictate the lives of others
>>43920224It’s not necessary to bring up whether conversion therapy is voluntary here. (Also, your argument doesn’t work, because some people do voluntarily seek out conversion therapy.)Outside of anti-trans rhetoric, “conversion therapy” is universally understood to refer to practices that attempt to change who a person is attracted to, their gender identity, their behaviour, or their appearance to align with heterosexist and cissexist norms. Elliot Page has never been subjected to such practices. It’s that simple.
>>43920224>what we all use "conversion therapy" to mean is "INVOLUNTARY conversion therapy."Entirely incorrect, gay activists have attempted to have voluntary conversion therapy banned and labelled medical malpractice for a long time, that was what the recent SCOTUS case was about.
>>43920316>Alignment bad disalignment good!
>>43920316>Also, your argument doesn’t work, because some people do voluntarily seek out conversion therapy.but the conversion itself is nevertheless coercive, otherwise it would be senseless to seek the therapy. the patient is asking to be forced
>>43920361Who's playing with words now.
>>43919113Fed, grifter or genuine retard?
>>43920424the xeet is from a grifter, the OP is from gincel
>>43920378the subject of conversion therapy is asking to be coerced into a change, whereas the subject of psychoanalysis is seeking to understand itself. i don't think this is a mere word game. i think coercion is a fundamental precept of conversion therapy according to the very definition that you're using, because, even if the patient is voluntarily seeking such a conversion, to place "conversion" as the goal of the therapy directly contradicts the most basic precept of psychological medicine, and introduces necessary coercion by placing a strict outcome on therapeutic goals
>>43920476Sure that could be said any kind of psychological therapy/treatment. Any educational regiment even.
>>43920521>Any educational regimenti posted foucault intentionally.>could be said any kind of psychological therapy/treatmentnot of what i would call "psychology"
this is such dogshit bait but dumb niggas will still respond
>>43919113Conversion therapy:>you like and identify with this thing? You must be stopped! Let us force our religious shame onto you and prevent you from having any ability to express your enjoyment and association with that thing!Transitioning:>You have always liked and identified with this thing, but you feel far removed from it? Here, we can help you do a few things to feel more like that thing, voluntarily of course. We have vocal coaching so you can learn to sound more like the thing you like, clothes that you like, unobtrusive ways to become more ambiguous or thing-like on the outside, medication derived from hormones present in all people you can use to aid in development of thing-like features, or if you feel strongly enough about it, cosmetic surgery.So conversion coded guys, whoa. Better outlaw it.
>>43919113Because trans is homophobia.
>>43919186What you're calling conversion it's actually simply not trooning out. Good therapy for you to accept who you really are.
>>43922220>we're not converting trannies, THEYRE converting US!!
>>43922282Self identification is prescriptive of transgender status. Nobody is being converted to anything. The mind is untouched by any malicious actor, outside of maybe a brainwashing /r9k/ cult of catbois.
Sort of unrelated, but speaking of Elliot Page, he might the first mainstream FtM figure to prove wrong the myth that taking T is an insta pass button that requires little to no effort. At this point he's been on T for several years, and sure he doesn't style himself like a blue collar slob but there's nothing in his presentation that's glaringly feminine. He just looks like an aging megadyke who hasn't touched a single vial of roids because he's been fucked by his genetics and bone structure. Not even normies who barely know about the trans thing would think this is a guy. Truly grim, I feel bad for him
>>43920349I have not said this. And not only have I not said this, I have not implied that I think this—even in the obscurest way.>>43922282>I don’t have an argument, so I’m just going to fling random bullshit at the wall and hope that something sticks!>>43922220Silly TRA. Don’t you know that innocent homosexuals are being FORCED to change their sex against their will in an effort to make them more acceptable to mainstream society? What do you mean “transsexuals are much less accepted by normies than homosexuals are”? That’s not true. It’s not true because I said it isn’t.(inb4 Gincel responds with “they’re not being forced, they’re being pressured”—no, they’re not. All you do is lie, Gincel.)>>43922260Go ahead, Gincel, explain to us how “trans is homophobia”. Dazzle us with your illogic for the millionth time.
>>43922314Is he being poondosed or is he insensitive or perhaps even immune to T? Poor guy
You wanna be a woman because you don't wanna be who you are, a faggot. You don't wanna be gay because of homophobia. It's that simple, you pedantic obtuse dull tranny
>>43922337He's had a voice drop so I doubt he has androgen insensitivity, though I wouldn't discount him being poondosed. Imagine being worth millions, having theoretical access to the best medical care in the world and still getting cucked by cisoid doctors kek
>>43919288Why is it in the first place? Are you retarded?
>>43920339The scotus case was about underage people forced in by their parents though?
>>43919113>oh, you don’t like conversion therapy? well, if i define conversion therapy like a retard, i can pretend you’re hypocritical. checkmate!
>>43922363>You have the desires and motivations that I say you do, even if you know otherwise, you obtuse tranny>>43922488He insists that transitioning is “conversion therapy” because trans people usually use different language to describe their sexual orientation before and after transitioning, even though no attempt is made to change who the person is attracted to (and HE KNOWS THIS)>>43922504This. It’s astounding how much of anti-trans discourse consists of nothing more than re-defining common terms to mean whatever the poster needs them to mean to make their ridiculous anti-trans argument
>>43922968It’s bad faith all the way down. Their only goal is to portray the existence of trans people as somehow problematic in order to justify eliminating them from public life.
We should stop castrating homosexuals and pretending they are heterosexuals of the opposite sex. This practice is regressive and harmful.
>>43922974… in order to justify eliminating them from public life, which they already wanted to do anyway—because they hate trans people ultimately for aesthetic or immunological reasons (they view trans people as “contaminated”—and, critically, infectious). All of their arguments are attempts to justify post hoc what they already wanted to do anyway.
>>43922987Nobody is doing that. You are imagining things.
Eliminating trans people from public life prevents gays from being castrated. That's a good thing. This is a homophobic social contagion and 50 years from now you will all see I was right all along.
>>43923000Do you expect me to take seriously your ridiculous rhetoric? Be honest.
>>43923000>being trans is just being gayStupid straight brained queer.
>>43923006You don't even think gay people exist. I don't take homophobes seriously at all. I just want to show there's an alternative to the mass castration of homosexuals and that some people ARE aware of what's really going on and willing to speak out against it.
>>43923012>I dont take homophobes seriously at allNo im not a homophobe, im a retardphobe. And once you start suggesting were castrating homos or whatever, kid gloves come off and faggots like you dont get any respect. Sorry. This is a two way street - you dont get to play victim when I remind you queers what you really fucking are and maybe thatll be the reality check you pussies need. We're all in this boat together fucking faggot.
>>43923012>You don't even think gay people exist.I know for a fact that gay people exist, because I’ve met several.>I don't take homophobes seriously at all.This is irrelevant, as I’m not homophobic.>I just want to show there's an alternative to the mass castration of homosexuals and that some people ARE aware of what's really going on and willing to speak out against it.You are completely delusional. The “mass castration of homosexuals” that you claim is taking place does not exist. You are “speak[ing] out against” a state of affairs that exists exclusively in your imagination.
>>43922987Exactly. Transgenderism is a bunch of absolute lies and transgenderists are dishonest homophobes that demand other people to lie that homos are heteros of the other sex, and their hetero/bi men are lesbians and their hetero/bi women are gay men.
>>43923023If you believe in "trans" people you do not think gays exist.Trannies believe gays can be cured with chemicals, and can be happy dating the opposite sex "gay trans people". I just wish homophobes would go away. You are very loud. We get it you wanna chop our balls off and assimilate us but we won't do it. Leave gays alone. Stop castrating them. Please.
>>43923024We will never take your insane, delusional, paranoid rhetoric seriously.
>>43923030>We will never take your insane, delusional, paranoid rhetoric seriously. Are you talking with yourself? This seems totally right if that's the case.
>>43923024>transgenderists are dishonest homophobes that demand other people to lie that homos are heteros of the other sex, and their hetero/bi men are lesbians and their hetero/bi women are gay men.it's core to their ideology, they just play word games and try to shame you into accepting things that aren't truethey are emotionally abusive
>>43923029>You hold these beliefs and desires that I say you do, even if you say otherwise!What are you even trying to accomplish here, dude?>>43923040Holy projection
>>43923042Showing trans people that gays will be loudly non-compliant with mass castration and transgender homophobia. You want to silence us. If gays truly worked together we could stop gay people from being castrated once and for all. A better future is possible.
The reason why these freaks consistently refuse to engage in good faith is because they know that, if they did, they would have to admit that their beliefs are false and their ideology is incoherent.>>43923050>You want to silence us.Yes, I do want to silence you, because you annoy me.
>>43923042He is no projecting. He's absolute right. You transgenderists want everyone to believe -- or more realistically/less delusional tranny wishful-thinking: that people PRETEND at your presence -- that hetero/bi men are lesbians, hetero/bi women are gay men, and that gay men and lesbians are hetero of the other sex if they say they're trans.
>>43923055You are annoyed by truth. We already know that.
>>43923029>were just smol beans plz stop castrating usShut the fuck up please>trannies believeWho, the /tttt/ retards here? We want people to live their truths retard and if that means be a cis homosexual fine, have fun, I literally dont care and would rather any cis homosexual not be coerced into a gender they do want. As with almost every fucking tranny. Its almost as if thats the exact struggle we're going through, cocksucker>>43923040>Word gamesNo, i'm being deadass. Go live your happy faggot queer life, please, be happy. But no, you wanna be a pick-me slut and hop in with the log cabin fags and play victim again because you see the smoke from the fire that is transphobia and wanna save your ass.Newsflash fag: Its the same fucking group of people since the 80s who planned this panic. Like the log cabin fruitcakes, once your hate isnt useful youll be spent just like the token you are.GET REAL>>43923055I dont engage in good faith because you aren't either, faggot. How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that by shattering gender norms via transition, that thats SOMEHOW assimilation to make you straight again? Stupid cockbrained retard, if they wanted to conversion therapy you THEYD JUST MAKE YOU LIKE WOMEN
all you need is more voices saying let gays be gay than saying "castrate gays to punish them!" and the practice will end
>>43919354Wtf he looks like a whiteish yukio mishima who was definitely a man
>>43923060I do not hold the beliefs or harbour the desires that you have repeatedly been insisting that I do. Whether I hold the beliefs or harbour the desires that I do doesn’t depend on whether you think that I do.>>43923067No, I am not annoyed by truth. Nothing that you have ever posted in this thread is true. I am annoyed by your persistent lies.>>43923069The practice that you are describing does not exist in the West. You are either lying to promote an agenda or you are delusional.>>43923068>I dont engage in good faith because you aren't either, faggot. How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that by shattering gender norms via transition, that thats SOMEHOW assimilation to make you straight again? Stupid cockbrained retard, if they wanted to conversion therapy you THEYD JUST MAKE YOU LIKE WOMENJesse, what the hell are you talking about?
Trannies are delusional liars obsessed with their narcissistic broken egos. We can't reason with these people.
>>43923086Yeah you can't really talk to them. They don't hear you. They are like ghosts who can talk to you, but you can't talk to them.
>>43919113He's actually completely right on this atomized point. It's insane how "conversion therapy" is such a powerful dog whistle when people are legit converting their physical genders to change from being homo to straight.
>>43923086Usted esta loco, hombre
>>43923090>they really are going from gay to straighthttps://youtu.be/gS8xwvCcCJ4
>>43923089You can talk to trans people, but you don’t listen when they (or their allies) talk back. Not because what they say is false or incoherent, but because it contradicts your narrative.>>43923090Nobody is transitioning “to change from being homo to straight”, that’s just something you made up. People change their sex because they want their body to be of a different sex as an end in itself; because they desire a different embodiment. The fact that trans people usually use different language to describe their sexual orientation is due to a quirk of our language (see >>43919562); it does not constitute proof that trans people transition in an effort to change their sexual orientation.But you’re just going to ignore this post and either accuse me of holding beliefs, harbouring desires, or doing behaviours that I don’t hold, harbour, or do or just accuse me of being insane, aren’t you? Because this post contradicts your narrative.
>>43923109I think they listen, the frustrating part is they are so brainwashed they can't let themselves respond if you say anything that questions their cult teachings. They aren't allowed to think critically. They've invested so much effort into their castration, it makes them look foolish to admit they were just doing it to fit into the herd.
That this talking point can exist in the first place is due exclusively to a quirk in the way that we describe our sexual orientations; if the only words for this were words like “gynephilic”, “androphilic”, then this talking point would be inconceivable
>>43923091You are projecting your madness onto others, man.
>>43923125>if we changed language to erase the word gay then trannies wouldn't be homophobic oklol
>>43923117>the frustrating part is they are so brainwashed they can't let themselves respond if you say anything that questions their cult teachings. They aren't allowed to think critically.If you weren’t baiting me before, then you definitely are now
>>43919113transitioning isn't conversion therapy and all clearly homophobic conservatives arguing otherwise are not arguing in good faith and should be ignored
>>43923135This doesn’t remotely resemble what I’ve written. Sigh.
>if you are against gays being mass castrated you must be conservativelol
>>43923125Actually is because we recognize the sex of all individuals simply by observing people, and you can't fight this no matter how much you hate your biology and don't want others to recognize it/easily perceive it. It's just nature. Even if we used the words gynephilic and androphillic we would distinguish the sexes: gynephilic females, gynephilici males, androphilic males, androphilic females.
>>43919113>trans people endorse conversion therapy, even if they don’t endorse practices that attempt to change who a person is attracted to …>trans people are homophobic, even if they don’t have any negative feelings towards gay people as a demographic at all …>because they typically use different words to describe their sexual orientation before and after they’ve transitionedIt’s so weird watching these freaks use specious logic in an attempt to “prove” that trans people have the values and attitudes that they arbitrarily assign to them even though they actually don’t.
>>43923135It's like transgenderists can't deal with the natural, biological, immutable reality of sex so they are always looking for new devices to cope.
>>43923160>If you oppose the elimination of trans people from public life, you must support the mass castration of homosexuals, even if you don’t>You don’t hold the beliefs or attitudes that you actually do, you hold the beliefs and attitudes that I say that you do, even if you actually don’t>>43923173Cool. This has nothing to do with my point.
>>43923179It does. You wanna erase the recognition of the biological reality in regards of sex. I know you and won't be fooled. So cut it out.
Why do they repeatedly accuse us of holding beliefs or attitudes, harbouring desires, or doing behaviours that we don’t hold, harbour, or do? Why do they repeatedly make replies to our posts that not only are incoherent, but have nothing to do with our posts? Why do they refuse to engage in good faith? Why do they type the way that schizophrenics and methheads speak?
>>43923190I do not hold the beliefs or harbour the desires that you have repeatedly been insisting that I do. Whether I hold the beliefs or harbour the desires that I do doesn’t depend on whether you think that I do.What are you even trying to accomplish here?
>>43923194Sure, hon, sure. You have so much good faith and don't do any of the things you accuse others of doing to paint yourself in a good light. You never project nor throw defamatory lies on top of what other people say, and it's specially true that you're only looking for better solutions, there are no intentions behind your words and actions. Those who don't know you buy you for sure.
>>43923228>more irrelevant nonsenseYou have nothing to say worth considering.
>>43923228It's really funny that trans people view themselves as perfect angels and everyone around them as bad faith demon monsters out to get them. They've built this whole world where they can do nothing wrong and it's always someone else's fault and they are nothing but innocent victims under siege.
This is what conversing with anti-trans extremists is like. https://youtu.be/X5ExYQ21sGY
