because troons have serious health consequences

>>43933189
nothing more pathetic than a person whining about other people's healthcare expenses. Americunts are so pathetic.

>>43933189
why do it when it do how it where could why

>>43933189
>supposed to be free
What does that even mean? "Supposed to be" is worthless when it isn't actually free.

>>43933189
It's free in first world countries. Sorry you got left behind in a backwards shithole, hope you can get out before they shock therapy you to death.

>>43933189
Because FFS is necessary to treat an actual health condition and is a consequence of healthcare inaccessibility early in life.

It's fixing mutilation, and no different than getting surgery after a car crash.

>>43933495
>It's free in first world countries
If you're willing to go to a single local butcher, sure...

>>43933189
why do you keep posting these obviously fake surgery pictures

>>43933268
not really?
you threaten to kill yourselves if you dont get your way
my nephew threatens to starve himself each time his parents take away his phone

neither of you should be enabled or taken seriously

>>43933189
> non-essential
kek we know what you are

>>43933189
Spending money on having people look better is a pretty good investment honestly
I don't see why even a cis person couldnt get the taxpayer money for that, provided the procedure is sound and will actually make you look better

tax money? for ffs? please tell me which state does this and i will move there immediately

>>43933189
wtf they turned her asian

>>43933732
Brazil

>>43933732
Connecticut Medicaid covers FFS explicitly. A few states cover it implicitly with laws that mandate coverage for insurance.

>>43933832
>Connecticut
Any non-flyover states? I'd like to maintain somewhat of a social life.

>>43933608
Correct, all females should be raped into pregnancy at 13, regardless of their whining

>>43933773
Brazil offers free surgery for cisfoids though. "Right to beauty" or something

>>43933498
>Because FFS is necessary to treat an actual health condition
Nope.
>a consequence of healthcare inaccessibility early in life.
Nope.

>>43933941
Washington? California? Virginia Medicaid covers part of FFS as well.

>>43933986
Sorry but it's part of the treatment for "neurological condition that makes everyone hate you" and is largely the result of not getting HRT at the onset of puberty.

>>43933189
I don't know why these people think I'm against any kind of surgery they want being free. I wish we could get any surgery we wanted for free. I'm not your enemy, bitch. Direct that anger that your corporate slave owners not the downtrodden tranny.

>>43933986
how is it not?
are there sexually dimorphic facial characteristics? then we can correct them.
why did they develop characteristics not in line with their identity? because they were forced through conversion therapy by people that don't believe in science. all of the anti-trans children healthcare is religious fundamentalists trying to argue about science by breaking the religion they follow as they try to use god's name as their rationale for denying care to people.
do you think enduring conversion therapy might cause psychological trauma? certainly. that's why it's banned in a number of states.

>>43933732
California

trooning is and always will be a rich (wo)man's game.
none of this should be state subsidized. that's how we got all the hons and neets and made everything politically and socially worse.

>>43934162
if we had proper state subsidization there wouldnt be any hons

>>43934162
It's the lack of youth access to care that produces hons more than lack of money.

The wealthiest trans woman in the world is a total hon because she's a giga oldshit.

>>43933986
>Nope
Yep
>Nope
Yep
>>43934124
Sort of. I understand parents being reluctant to support their children medically transitioning after seeing one "detransition" (but no meds so no harm) and another may well be on the same arc.
There's a reason they're supposed to be very picky about minor patients they medicalize, fully acknowledging it equally sucks when you don't medicalize someone who turned out to need it.
>>43934162
Consider almost no one can afford FFS on their own. Without insurance coverage for FFS nearly every troon is doomed to hondom. If you want fewer hons you pay for dehoniffication.

>>43934275
Yeah there is that. FFS isn't guaranteed to fix your face even. A lot of things we just don't have the technology to fix.

>>43934242
and pigs will fly
get real. state "healthcare" is a sick joke in 100% of the time. on anything, not just tranny related stuff. the state is incapable of this.
>>43934275
you (intentionally) confuse access with subsidy.
access should be (and is in my country) for anyone who can afford it. subsidies are a monstrosity.
>The wealthiest trans woman in the world is a total hon because she's a giga oldshit
well i'm not the wealthiest trans woman but i started at 14 and had srs at 20. a lot of it was paid through debt that i later on paid for myself. glad i didn't wait for years for "free care" which would've meant humiliation rituals (think RLE before hrt), 5-7 years waitlists for srs and in the end i'd end up botched. the money i wouldn't have spent on what i wanted and needed would've ended up being spent on mental health and/or desperate attempts at revisions.
there is no free lunch, nona.

>>43934297
>almost no one can afford FFS on their own
this is simply false.
you can afford it if you really want it, are functional and are careful with money.
and that's my point: those who are socially dysfunctional should not be in the trooning game at all.

>>43934325
>says it's a wealth game
>turns out it's about being a youngshit after all
State subsidies are necessary for youth access for all. RLE requirements are orthogonal to that.

>>43934325
>access should be (and is in my country) for anyone who can afford it. subsidies are a monstrosity.
FTFY:
> fuck poor people!

>>43934339
gender dysphoria inhibits their ability to function socially.

>>43934339
The kind of FFS most lateshits need is like 5+ years of dedicated saving with median income + living frugally and that's before considering how trannies are massively discriminated against in employment.

Being a youngshit really does make you stupid I stg.

>>43934339
The thing is you'll always get people with money addicted to attention/novelty/their literal fetish. See also Caitlyn Jenner. Who has definitely NOT improved tranny optics.
If your issue is optics you need to gatekeep along some other dimension.

>>43934355
> fuck poor people!
yes, actually.

>>43934325
a real hsts wouldnt say this lol

>>43934394
>i'm american and can't imagine other peoples exist outside the terminally online gigacommie fag bubbles

>>43934408
Aren't you the moron who claimed that the anti-trans push was uniquely anglospheric while also ignoring the push across much of Europe, in India, in China, and some of South America?

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>>43934369
i think the problem is you retards celebrated jenner like a cancer survivor when you put them on the front of vogue and made them woman of the year. notice that happened in 2015. that was the advent of the trend. meaning. when you started giving people notoriery for it, suddenly it sprung up everywhere as bad faith actors wanted that same attention.

trannies need put back in the closet. they shouldn't be at the forefront of media if you respect their private health condition.

people argue about trannies not deserving ffs. should we not fix cleft palates either? it's just cosmetic. i'd rather just fix if. win win fir everyone. person fixed gets to blend in and be normal. normies stop harassing them. instead you guys are like: no we need sideshow freaks in public to make fun of!

>>43934421
India is part of the Anglosphere.
The transphobic push in Europe is downstream of the anglospheric one in my opinion.
China's going the opposite way AFAIK, with their Supreme People's Court giving an opinion in favour of further protections for LGBT people.
No idea about South America.

>>43934430
Unfortunately trannies don't control celebrity media. Its cissoid "allies" (read: weirdos who just want a toy to play with) that caused everything.

>>43934438
The idiot claimed that "it's not most of the world turning against trannies" when it unfortunately is. The European push isn't fully downstream, either. It's an ouroboros, with propaganda from the Nordics (ex: Riittakerttu Kaltiala) being used to justify anglospheric crackdowns.

China passed new laws making DIYing much harder a few years ago, significantly hurting access to care.

>>43933189
because straggot lives dont matter. they owe trannies this shit for forcing their disgusting little het genes on the queer populace.

>>43934507
People who love homosexually are not the same as trannies

>>43934516
i dont care, as long as straggots control the genome they owe reparations to every queer they harm by forcing their disgusting little fetish on us at the genetic level.

>>43934448
you know what the difference between dems and republicans really is?

dems will take care of you, but they expect you to be their slave
republicans will say you're free to do as you please and refuse to help you at all.

>>43934539
>"republicans will say you're free to do as you please"
>ignores the mysteriously republican-shaped legislators making laws banning healthcare, restroom access, ID changes, and even criminalizing DIY in some cases

>>43934522
There's no such thing as "queer".

>>43934430
You think I control what Vogue publishes?

>they shouldn't be at the forefront of media if you respect their private health condition.
Yeah I agree I never asked for this attention and I'd very much like it to stop. I'm tired of being liberals' pet and conservatives' punching bag.

>>43934558
yes there is, you might dislike it but there very, very much is.

>>43934601
A category that stretches from gays to straight girls with pronouns isn't useful or real in any sense.

>>43934339
>those who are socially dysfunctional should not be in the trooning game at all.
No its this one, I paid for multiple surgeries out of pocket by working shitty jobs and living extremely frugally for nearly a decade. And everyone tells me “wow you’re so lucky you could make enough of a livelihood” and they don’t see all the “dykeboy, meet me in my office and bring chapstick” and “dykeboy, you will bear a spawn for me” from my boss and coworkers for 8 fuckin years.

>age affirming care

The majority of visual aging is preventable much easier than preventing puberty through individual behavior, calorie restriction and proper sun protection in childhood can keep you looking like a teen into adulthood

>>43934546
that's just ai trying to radicalize you.

>>43934647
God I wish.

>>43934608
i agree, queerness is rooted in inalienable biology

>>43934640
>individual behavior
>proper sun protection in childhood
My parents didn't know sunscreen expires, or at least didn't act like they knew.
Thankfully somehow I got aggressive permanent youth genetics / generally stay out of the sun as an adult.
>calorie restriction
Wait so the point is to intentionally avoid developing into an adult? Crazy.

>>43933189
the NHS provides it to cisoids if its serious enough

If you want to be a utilitarian, the average obese person (40% of the US population) costs public healthcare far more than a trans person (<1% of the population). But people don't really nickel and dime on treatment for their condition which is completely avoidable in 99% of cases.
Besides, if trans they pass they are far more likely to integrate with society, be successful, and pay taxes.

>>43933268
No they don't

>>43933189
xitter screecap from @rapistprincess

>>43935109
I mean if it was lasting long enough to expire in the first place, probably not enough was being used to prevent most sun damage anyway tbqh

>>43934124
>why did they develop characteristics not in line with their identity?
Because ""identity"" is made up retarded bullshit that means nothing.

>>43935811
Identity is downstream of neurology and socialization and the reality is that gender dysphoria is a deeply disturbing neurological condition that, for many people, results in developing an alternative identity while reppers instead develop a cis identity in spite of their dysphoria until they suffer an ego dystonic crash.

>>43934060
this
i'm in favor of universal basic looksmaxxing
beauty has a public good component, the beautiful person captures some of the value but not all of it
>>43935718
>If you want to be a utilitarian, the average obese person (40% of the US population) costs public healthcare far more than a trans person (<1% of the population).
you're of course right but i want to remind people we're in the process of solving that problem. estrogen should be given out for free to basically anyone who wants it for the same reason retatrutide should be given out for free, it's much easier to simply end obesity or testosterone poisoning that it is to treat all the individual problems they cause

It's cool to be studying for a perioperative care profession and to be constantly told surgery is a last resort and then come here and everyone is like
>Mild irritation? Get surgery
Like in another thread someone encouraged britmoder to get her jaw broken and put back together because she doesn't like her smile

>>43935836
>pseudo-science garbage
Yeah ok, faggot.

>>43936456
I mean, we know this exists and we have a good idea why. It's the best explanation as to the etiologies we have.

>>43936483
>we know people like to make shit up
Obviously.

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>>43936483
in your opinion, is the art of lenexwants indicative of unresolved gender dysphoria?

>>43933268
serious health consequences and its them suicide baiting. "ILL KILL MYSELF IF YOU DONT BUY ME DRUGS"
>>43933189
im 100% this, cis-men should have governmentally funded hair transplants and test so they can keep on pretending their 25 and women can get (im sorry foids i dont really know what surgeries you guys get to stay young but you deserve them)

>>43936743
what

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>>43936837
just asking

>>43936862
I don't know who that is

>>43936883
its an artist, you can just google their name and images will come up

>>43936891
okay I would probably say that they have a screw loose and can 100% see it as dysphoric vent art

>>43935923
I'm sure it's very cool if you pass naturally but if you don't surgery isn't a last resort.

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>>43936907
do you think its possible for a loved twink to develop GD?

>>43936994
Yes? Gender Dysphoria doesn't care if someone loves you. Frankly it made it worse for me.

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>>43937001
even if the twink is loved as a man loves a woman?

>>43937007
Yes. Dysphoria is downstream of the body. It doesn't care about how you're treated.

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>>43937020
do you think all twinks with body dysmorphia are trans?

>>43937041
Imo to be trans is to transition. Reppers aren't trans.

But I think twinks who are dysphoric may benefit from transitioning.

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>>43933189
>waaaaaaahhhh why are hons getting free FFS now i can’t clock them and bully them as easily
this is what you sound like

>>43933189
I fully support this. All foids should have surgery that turns them into lolis

>>43937056
>"You see, it's actually a moral good for them to be easily clocked and harassed into suicide!"

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>>43937071
also
>suicide baiting
>but also they actually kms at a rate of 41%
>but they’re just b8ing to get what they want, like a child!
pick one, chuds

>>43937099
41% self-report attempting

>>43937118
still they gotta make up their minds, are trannies so hilariously mentally ill that they want to kill themselves over being male, or are they just lying about that to manipulate everyone into supporting them?

>>43937260
Manipulating people with threats of suicide is evidence of a personality disorder

>>43937260
> hilariously mentally ill
if you think "hilarious" and "mentally ill" belong in the same sentence, you should kill yourself.

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>>43933189
It's a privilege. It's like, why do Black people or women get preferential treatment for executive positions when they don't have the necessary skills and there are better candidates?
>Because of the diversity quota.

The same for us, at some point, it was, "look how progressive my country is, here we do this, and that...", before being woke was seen in a good way, but that ended, or, is ending.

>>43935760
I mean I guess my point is 8 year olds have caregivers for a reason.
>>43935811
Intangible things are still real.
>>43937384
What's arguing with anonymous trannies on 4chan evidence of?

>>43933189
Trans surgery doesn't have to be free, if the government establishes a student loan system for troons I would be okay with that.

The reason to give troons FFS is because long term its a net positive. You can either have a relatively functional person contributing to society or a part time worker on government benefits. Choose wisely

>>43938426
>Choose wisely
cut the government benefits too. for everyone not just troons.
the world doesn't exist to pay taxes and the government exists for national security, not to be the daddy of every single dysfunctional mofo out there.

>>43933189
>Why is trans surgery supposed to be free but not other non-essential surgeries?
Because there's a serious lack of passoids.

>>43938426
there's no reason to think FFS makes trannies more productive though, some of the best autistic geniuses are the ugliest hons

generally, cosmetic surgery does not fix BDD

>>43933189
all plastic surgery should be illegal tbhon

>>43938587
>people born with deformities shouldn't be allowed to fix them
>ugly people should just kill themselves
watch them "wokely" try to justify this garbage lol

>>43938587
should shaving be illegal

>>43938549
Cosmetic surgery does generally make it easier for those with deformities to live productive lives
Male puberty is a deformity for women
pass the youngshit bill NOW

>>43938659
You’re the only trying to get ugly people to kill themselves, not me nigga. But yeah, go pay up to turn yourself into a kpop idol. No other way to be happy, happy, happy! All the people who bog themselves are the happiest on Earth!
>>43938662
Yeah, that’s exactly the same thing. Good job, you got me.

>>43933282
>other people's healthcare expenses
That the person whining is forced to pay for...

Should I give a singular fuck about what "@rapistprincess" thinks

>>43938708
>i wish my hairline was slightly lower, it'd help me feel better.
>you can pay us $8k dollars and we'll do that for you!
>this is the government!!!! we're here to LOCK you AWAY for advertising this FATAL procedure!
very realistic beneficial worldview

>>43934430
>suddenly it sprung up everywhere
everywhere everywhere? or billionaire owned media everywhere?

>>43938793
idk, banning things that are bad for both society as a whole and the individual is kinda how like laws work. Like you just described a law.

>>43933189
Because it's too profitable.
Do you think there's some consortium of ugly and pretty trannies in the boardrooms of medical corporations, cackling evilly about how ugly you're going to be if you don't spend half a million dollars and post hole on xitter?

>>43938881
>bad for both society and the individual
but neither of these are the case lmao

>>43938881
the point is that it isn't fatal, and all that the government prevented, using our tax money, is someone getting their hairline done.

>>43938906
Wrong!
>>43938914
lmao tax money, really? what a joke. It’s so clearly bad that we just drop all attempts at defending it and gotta larp as ancaps. What, you think all the poor, starving plastic surgeons are going to be chased down by the cops and this is going to bankrupt a country? Get real nigga.

>>43938963
Prove how access to FFS is harmful to society and the individual? It greatly improves QoL for patients and also allows them to better integrate into society.

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>>43938963
>this is killing people! this is harming society! we can't let people do this! the people who do need to be fined and sent to prison! we need to spend money on preventing this from happening! also, you shouldn't care about what your money gets spent on!

>>43933268
cis straight men commit 99% of rapes and murders but you think trans people have "serious health consequences" lol you were in school during covid

>>43938973
It seems largely pretty detrimental to the individual based on what I’ve seen on this board at least. I’m sure client testimonials are great after they sunk costed god-knows how much into each procedure. But every fucking time, it’s like
>oh, my FFS went fine! Now once I have the money, I’m going to schedule a something-something and a this-and-that, and I’ll finally pass!

Like regardless of whether or not that were passing already, plastic surgery seems like a bottomless, hungry pit for your money with an industry that preys on people’s insecurities to get more and more and more surgery. Like, the rates at which people who had plastic surgery return fot more plastic surgery in the future is insane, and that’s true outside the trans community even.

Am I supposed to take the supposed favorable views of someone’s plastic surgery seriously if they just go back and get it again… and again… and again, instead of thinking that they’re justifying the ordeal, the time and money, that they went wasted?

As for society as a large, desu trannies are so small in number that their absurdly expensive surgeries likely are not causing the social fabric to rupture, but rather, that they’re especially targeted victims and highly affected by how normalized it has become in trans spaces to just throw surgery at everything. “Never be satisified with how you look, just get more surgery if you’re still unsatisified, and then once you hit 30, just kill yourself!” This seems to be the thought process of a lot of trans women online.
>>43939005
gigachadyes.jpg

>>43939187
I mean you're dealing with a condition that is, by and large, caused by lack of early intervention and affects the entire body. Of course people are going to be getting multiple surgeries. It's literally hell to be stuck in a body that's the wrong shape because it's actually agonizing.

Like this is a condition that makes preteens suicidal. We take what we can get.

>>43939187
sorry man, we gotta ban construction, mechanic positions, cars, and transportation because somebody worked as or used one of these things and they exploded. just because you were fine, doesn't mean somebody with 7 iq will be! regulations? no. we're banning it.

>>43933189
idk lol but i already got my ffs covered and it was over 6 figures billed and it can never be reversed no matter how policy changes now and it feels good to know that jealouscels are seething

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>>43938587
>>43939187
>state-mandated ugliness
Authoritarians really do want to rob the world of beauty, one of the many reasons why they should be considered subhuman.

>>43934539
Republicans were lying though

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>>43933189
The transracialist fandom has been going crazy over this one

>>43940183
also don't click on the image itll turn evil and thats bad

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>>43933189
>rapistprincess Makes a good point, don't you think?
chuddies are not sending their best

>>43937515
>90% of people should kill themselves
this but unironically

>>43938881
>>43938963
>>43939187
>land of the free vs. minor inconvenience
In agreeance with your post, the supreme court has just ruled that the constitution clearly saying 'tasty red apples are good yum' is unconstitutional and unAmerican and we have to enact Total Apple Death to remedy this. remember that the state is not an omnipotent force descendent from god's will and when you commit a crime, it is not against society or an individual, it is against the (very worldly) state and only the state sweetheart

>>43933608
>neither of you should be enabled or taken seriously
Well, luckily you are not a doctor or a researcher, so nobody has to give a shit what you think is medically necessary, lol

>>43933608
nobody gives a shit about your tired anecdote loser

>>43934638
>i had to suck dick to reach something i shouldve gotten anyway from being allowed to not masculinize earlier and you should too!

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oh my gawd stahp

>>43933189
both of these look ai enhanced. This is why I’d never do surgery in Asia, they’re never honest with the before/after pics