>>43935088
You're just a deranged straight man.

>>43935088
grow a thicker skin and stop caring what others say about you

>>43935088
you fell for the rookie mistake of listening to retards
so how do *you* feel about your gender and different parts (in terms of dysphoria), and which types of people are *you* attracted to?

>>43935104
I wish that were the case, I have no attraction to women at all.

>>43935108
>How fucking DARE you want to understand yourself and not be attacked for existing? Grow the fuck up

>>43935137
I think I'm a guy, just a worthless one that no one can stomach. I'm way too malebrained, introverted, and weird to be a woman. I don't have "dysphoria" (hence why trans women said I wasn't one of them) because I don't want a vagina or SRS.
I'm not really attracted to other people. I'm attracted to how men can make me feel by comparison, contrast, what they can do to me, but that's distinct from "actually" liking men, which is why gay men and straight trannies know I'm not one of them and exposed the larp.

>>43935088
lol you actually fell for the inclusivity meme

>>43935179
>I think I'm a worthless guy since I'm way too malebrained, introverted, and weird to be a woman.
aka you got braincucked
>I don't have "dysphoria" (hence why trans women said I wasn't one of them) because I don't want a vagina or SRS.
aka you listened to some salty troons having a melty and larping as mean girls to you, instead of telling you to not be a retard, since dysphoria can vary between different parts
so, I take it you're not comfortable with being in a male body, but would be less dysphoric if you were in a female body with pp (or nullo or magically cis vag + all the other goolies)?
>I'm not really attracted to other people. I'm attracted to how men can make me feel by comparison, contrast, what they can do to me, but that's distinct from "actually" liking men, which is why gay men and straight trannies know I'm not one of them and exposed the larp.
so standard agp aka pretty standard feeemale sexuality (with lower libido since your menthol helf is in the gutter)?
how far off am I?

>>43935179
>just a worthless one
Filtered, fucked, and cucked. Yeah sorry OP but you're just retarded.

>>43935088
this is retard 4chan/xitter discourse.
dissect your brain of worms, log off, and meet real people or real community.
as a trans woman I get told im fake all the time and diagnosed autistic, AGP, HSTS, depressed, etc etc
hate is just meant to get you to desist and make others feel better about themselves. not to mention we live in a hypervigilant time because of trans genocide and likely gay genocide that comes after

>>43935207
>so, I take it you're not comfortable with being in a male body, but would be less dysphoric if you were in a female body with pp (or nullo or magically cis vag + all the other goolies)?
If I were a cis woman I wouldn't mind, but that's not possible. Pretty much my main impetus to mutilate my body was that I was treated like shit for not living up to the standards of masculinity. I'd have friends, be able to be social, not have a weird sexuality, not think vaginas were gross if I were a woman. But I'm not.
>how far off am I?
Pretty far off, most other AGPs are attracted to women, I am not. Cishet women have aspects of the sexuality I described, but they're minor rather than "this constitutes the entirety of your sexuality."

>>43935334
>dissect your brain of worms, log off, and meet real people or real community.
What does any of this entail?
I've tried meeting real people and that's always ended poorly.

>>43935088
i think you are misunderstanding what you identify with and what you are perceived by other people are two different things, you can't keep changing your identify to fit the mold of whatever group you want to join because you are told you are one thing but in reality you believe you are something else, an incongruence of identity, you need to build an internal identity outside of external influence to be happy instead of caving into these groups and getting "rejected" because you don't fit into their labels

>>43935362
>you need to build an internal identity outside of external influence to be happy
The problem is I don't exist in a vacuum. Self-esteem isn't constructed wholly independent of external factors. Moreover, "identity" isn't arbitrary. If I define myself how I truly believe to be--as I have done in this thread--I'll still be unhappy, because this thing materially makes my life worse. If I discovered a tumor tomorrow and clearly had cancer I'd be unhappy with that despite recognizing that was reality, because that fucking makes my life worse.

>>43935351
loser trannymaxxing, gotcha
>agps attracted to women
not talking about blanchtard memes, but about the actual female attraction patterns toward men (when low libido), although yeah that's a bit closer to the meta-attraction thing they have going on instead of the agp one
if you legit got no GD, I hope you can find happiness as a cismoid (or trannymaxxer); otherwise I hope you can figure out your stuff

>>43935409
>but about the actual female attraction patterns toward men (when low libido)
Yeah, even then they're actually directly, visually, physically attracted to at least some men. I'm telling you that I'm not the same as that

>>43935351
>what does this entail?
detox from /tttt/ and xitter.
find an LGBT group near you assuming you arent rural. Figure out who organizes your local pride and see if they have men's groups or trans' groups. I have one near my that does walks and runs and stuff, another that meets every other week.
Go to community college of you havent already.
Get a hobby and figure out what events are near you. Find a craft store that hosts events and go to one. Take up magic the gathering or some other giga nerd hobby and go to the game store. These people in my experience are way less gatekeeping. Even fighting games lol, whats your opponent gonna do, FF cuz youre gay?
Meeting real people sucks. Honestly even I havent succeded. Mostly because my anxiety makes me cry and hide in the bathroom whenever I try going out. But its worth it for what little ive actually done

>>43935418
>find an LGBT group near you assuming you arent rural.
Yeah, I've done this. They hate me because I'm not interested in women and I'm not a gay man.
>Go to community college if you haven't already
I have a terminal degree. Not an option.
>Get a hobby and figure out what events are near you.
I have hobbies, the last time I went to locals I got called a pedophile (no I said nothing about my own taste), last time I tried a book club I left because they were insinuating fiction was reality and didn't want the same thing to happen. Didn't say anything.

Some of us are just fucked because of ontology. That's my point. I've taken all the meme advice and it hasn't paid off.

>>43935179
Nobody cares if you don't want srs just take your e and be happy

>>43935514
They literally do care, I got attacked for it

>>43935595
Yeah terminally online troons do nobody irl will care because nobody has to know
Besides most cissoids will want you dead anyway if you're a tran genital dysphoria will not be the difference maker there

>>43935618
IRL troons hate me for other reasons as I stated, so it's a moot point

>>43935638
Even then troons are a small minority and their opinion shouldn't dictate your life decisions
Besides even if you had negative experiences personally there is a sizable number of troons that take topical T for their gocks it's really not as uncommon as you think
tldr just take e

>>43935678
They're at least gynephilic and not freaks

>What do you do if you just have the wrong sexuality/orientation and there's no support?
you aren't going to like this, i don't like it either, but the correct answer is to lie about your sexuality in whichever way requires you to modify your behavior the least
you can be more open if you meet people who are more trustworthy
>>43935179
>I'm attracted to how men can make me feel by comparison, contrast, what they can do to me, but that's distinct from "actually" liking men
that's literally the median straight woman's sexuality: not aroused by a man in isolation, but aroused by the role he's taking on in relation to her.
you are a straight trans woman with brainworms, genital dysphoria is not the only way dysphoria can manifest. did you want boobs? did you hate masculinizing? that's dysphoria.

>>43935088
(1) you don't need a label. just do what you want and describe yourself literally, e.g., "i love men", "i do [x feminine thing]".
(2) delete your social media accounts and install Leechblock NG. block all social media websites you used to use, including this one.

>>43935088
of you're not on HRT you're both gay and a femboy. they're not mutually exclusive.
if you are on it then you're trans

>>43935809
Gay people aren't introverted and usually fuck other gay people. I'm introverted and gay men hate me. I'm not trans for the reasons I specified earlier.

you're agamp it's that simple now stop shitting up the board I'm like 90% sure I know who you are on twt too

>>43936405
Boymoding isn't a personality and you're not a better person because you do it.

>>43936429
I have given no indication I believe either of those two things

>>43935088
people act like gender and sexuality are those strict immutable categories but it's just music genres for your dick

labels have 3 primary purposes here
>helping sort out your identity in your head and what you want to do about it (eg "im a trans woman, so I'm going to transition" shit like that)
>smoothing out interaction with retards around you that can only think in simple code words
("i like he/him pronounce, but it makes people think I'm gonna fully poon out, so i come out as nonbinary" shit like that)
>communicating who you want to have sex with to people that might want to have sex with you
"i sometimes fantasize about getting dicked by some unspecified penor, but i have 0 interest in having sex with men, so I'll identify as a lesbian to not lead them on")
everything else is just some intellectual jerkoff for people who enjoy categorization, like can be fun but, what are you even getting out of it if you're not having fun

if you're surrounded by absolute retards you can ignore point 2 out since it's not working out anyway

if you want to have sex with men you can just identify as gay or some gay adjacent gray ace and for serious relationships you can just explain shit with words when it gets to the point

for point 1, if you feel naturally drawn to a label it's probably useful to you and you can wonder what use it's bringing, if you're not naturally drawn to anything think about what you're trying to accomplish and just slap whatever matches there. the way you want to look would get read as a woman? consider trannyism. it would be a mix of traits? consider nonbinary. it would but you want to be seen as a gay faggot? consider femboy etc. depends a lot on your circumstances what would be most useful to you

>>43935179
that sounds like classic agp mtf tho
it's also common for females to be attracted to men in a relational way like that, tho could also fall under lack of attraction, depends how actionable it is irl like the idea of a specific guy making you feel feminine is appealing (average cishet woman sexuality) or if it's more of a broad idea of getting affirmed but actual sex and relationships are unappealing (comphet cisbian repper sexuality)

>>43936468
Okay good.


>>43936471
I think you may have kneejerked without reading the thread where I expounded upon a bunch of stuff, and why some of the advice you're giving would not work.

>>43936493
>that sounds like classic agp mtf tho
They are attracted to women, I am not.

>>43935351
>Cishet women have aspects of the sexuality I described, but they're minor rather than "this constitutes the entirety of your sexuality."
there's an entire spectrum of how strongly relational a sexuality can be, some women are entirely attracted to how people make them feel and don't care how they look like, a lot of lesbians have sexualities completely identical to straight men, it varies. and another spectrum of asexuality on top of that

>>43936521
yeah i skimmed, still think my advice applies just didn't adress specific points like above. and i kinda meandared instead of saying that you just gotta ignore the social aspect until you find a group that doesn't try to actively force you out

also agps can be attractted to men women or nothing, it's only hsts that have a defined sexuality. but it doesn't matter anyway, you're not gonna identity as agp outside of this board, i just threw it as an example that you're a kinda stock character of trannyism. sounds like you have bad luck of ending in the worst possible social bubbles because in most trans spaces it wouldn't be a problem

>>43935088
take the "sensitive feminine male on estrogen" pill

>>43936752
>some women are entirely attracted to how people make them feel and don't care how they look like
Source? Dude trust me isn't one, and that one Bailey paper proved cis women aren't appreciable AGP.

It's not bad luck, I'm fundamentally at odds with trans people for a lot of reasons. The big ones are that I'm not trans and have nothing in common with trans people.

>>43937676
That's just the femboy I described in the OP.

>>43937733
you can't please everyone, hey? it's your life, after all

>>43938428
>you can't please everyone
*anyone

>>43938694
you can please me with that tongue

>>43938728
Kill yourself

>>43938733
<3

>>43935088
>identify
theres your issue, you dont identify as any of these things because thats not how it works. just be yourself

>>43935088
It's called ODD.

>>43935088
It sounds like you're just being neurotic and overanalyzing your feelings
Freudian-psychosis

>>43939511
>just be yourself
I mean regardless of what I identify as, I'm still "myself," and that still sucks.

>>43937733
>Source? Dude trust me isn't one, and that one Bailey paper proved cis women aren't appreciable AGP
I wasn't talking about agp here, just women being attracted relationally as opposed to visually, basically every study on female sexuality will do here, it's nothing controversial.