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https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/the-us-government-is-engaged-in-a

>Between the 1940s and 1950s, the House Un-American Activities Committee and Senator Joseph McCarthy's investigations targeted Americans for their beliefs, their associations, and their speech. The mechanism was not primarily criminal prosecution—it was investigation, subpoena, and the threat of institutional destruction. Its goal was compliance through fear. That fire burned through Hollywood, through the federal government, and through universities, before finally being recognized for what it is today: one of the most extreme government overreaches in American history, wielding extraordinary powers to persecute a disfavored group. Now, the federal government is engaged in a structurally identical campaign—but this time, it is waged against transgender people and the institutions that serve them, targeting hospitals with subpoenas, threatening organizations and nonprofits with funding cuts, and hauling medical societies before kangaroo courts in an attempt to beat them into submission. And with a lawsuit filed yesterday against the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) in a transparently forum-shopped court in Texas, the administration has turned toward its most prized target of all: the central organization that advocates for trans healthcare worldwide.

>The lawsuit, brought by the FTC and the attorneys general of Texas, Alaska, Iowa, and Nebraska, alleges that WPATH has violated the FTC Act by engaging in "deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce"—weaponizing federal consumer protection law, statutes designed to go after companies selling snake oil and fake cancer cures. The complaint alleges that WPATH "provided the means for medical providers to make false and unsubstantiated claims to parents in order to sell pediatric medical transition services," and that this makes them a target under consumer protection laws.
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>>43945018
STOP TOLERATING FAITH
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McCarthy didn't go hard enough.
The House Un-American Activities Committee didn't kill a single communist, didn't out a single traitor and barely scared a few faggots in hollywood yet leftards act as if Joe McCarthy was some sort of based Pinochet or something.
Similarly, nowhere near enough is being done today to address the tranny problem yet troons act as if they're being genocided.
you're all insane and your opposition is nowhere near based enough to correct the problem anyway. if you weren't insane, you'd be celebrating the status quo as it inherently advantages you and your immorality.
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>>43945018
So so glad I don't live in amerikkka
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crush these niggas trump
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>>43945018
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>>43945027
So true. It's insane that we tolerate deranged references to an invisible man in the sky like it's normal. That people actually use fairy tales to interfere in other people's lives. Insane.
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>>43945070
im not surprised
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>>43945070
TERFs are so annoying. Atleast MAGA chuds are just assholes, these people will take the most basic thing ever that is even seen in chimpanzees and call you an AGP TIM for it.
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This is only possible because ogrehons became too loud, 20 years ago nobody even talked about trannies and as long as you werent some John 50 stealthing was pretty easy. And getting called a she had to be earned, like it should be. It just happened, you didnt need to yell at normies.
But polycule druggies who are in it for the attention wouldnt want to stealth in the first place, it's like the cis gay men who want to twerk and talk about bug chasing in front of children while wearing furry bdsm gear: the normal gay men suffer because nobody has the guts to force the retards back into the shadows
If it wasnt for the end of gatekeeping and the infinite Liliths out there normies would not even think about trannies, it would be a non-issue, but once shrek in mascara has the power to have HR fire you because of heckin misgendering you will resent trannies
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>>43945133
> like it should be

> we should torture trannies unless they conform to my standards
kys please
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>>43945018
If someone wants to do a deep dive in the shit that WPATH has been doing these past few years read:
https://segm.org/wpath-evidence-manipulation-risks-discrediting-WHO-transgender-guidelines
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>>43945070
This is why i need to think of a different name than the one that came to mind first that i already use to larp in videogames

Which is the name of my only female friend back in kindergarten
Even if nobody knows I'll have brainworms telling me I'm a pedo for the rest of my life (also my parents would probably figure it out)
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>>43945213
>"look into how WPATH lies!"
>links to the website of a highly deceptive anti-trans hate group
Totally owned the troons there
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>>43945018
>The complaint alleges that WPATH "provided the means for medical providers to make false and unsubstantiated claims to parents in order to sell pediatric medical transition services,"
this is literally true. there is no strong evidence that gender transition in minors is either safe or effective
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>>43945266
>safe or effective
Trust the soìnce goy.
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>>43945238
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15265161.2025.2497998
https://www.alabamaag.gov/boe-v-marshall/
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>>43945290
i am
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>>43945070
openly admitting to stealing someone's name is so weird. If she had just phrased this better it would have been competely harmless.

>I played with a girl of the same age in middle school and she was a huge influence on me, and a role model. That's when I realized I was trans.

is so much more acceptable than "I tried to clone this child as an adult using my own body". It really shows who's terminally online or in an echo chamber when people don't police their own language. this isn't even a trans thing. its a people in echo chambers thing, they lose the ability to speak like a normal person and the "shared consensus reality" filter. same with maga chuds and tumblr lefties.

I'm not saying erin isn't based, she is and her news coverage is great work.
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>>43945303
>opinion piece masquerading as scientific evidence created by affiliates of the hate group in question
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they're not hating communists enough, desu.
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>>43945238
reminds me of that dipshit on twitter who linked to transgendertrend and pretended it was from the DSM-5
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>>43945133
the irony is that trans people do this because they actually want to be killed. very sick in the head.
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>>43945303
>>43945238
And if were to consult the sources, SEGM didn't do much besides a compilatory work.
The ones lamenting the obstruction of scientific procedures was the Commission that the WPATH asked the John Hopkins University to establish to conduct the necessary systematic analyses for the SOC v.8.
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>>43945362
>if we pretend that the people associated with us aren't actually a part of our organization but still on our payroll and in close partnership with us, we can fake a consensus even though it's like the same few "scientists" every single time!
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>>43945266
actually there is, because "exogenous hormones" have been used in medicine for 100+ years. Its just taking a well understood medicine and applying it to pediatric medicine, which is new so there aren't a lot of studies in it yet. that didn't mean kids are randomly going to exclude if you give them test/estrogen/steroids.

btw doctors have been using those safely for non trans applications for 70 FUCKING YEARS.

Additionally we have proof that untreated gender dysphoria is incredibly harmful so it makes sense to use safe medicine to treat a harmful disease.

Additionally puberty blockers, the most attacked thing in child trans Healthcare, is literally a GD treatment made by your kind the transphobes. trans kids just want to go through their preferred puberty, but chuds say they can't until 18 so this stupid blockers thing was a chud idea in the first place.

maybe we just let trans kids transition at 13 instead of forcing or medically delaying puberty we get even betterment outcomes.

but you don't understand medicine and you hate trans children, so you don't care about any of this. you just want to suffering max the human species to protect your own feefees.
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>>43945321
>Conveniently avoids addressing the legal documents with the incriminating proof
Opinion pieces published in scientific magazines are based on data, I wish that you look at the data, not attack the persons collecting it.
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>>43945377
all of those words are meaningless. there is no strong evidence that gender transition is safe and effective in minors. the fact puberty blockers and other hormonal treatments work for other conditions is irrelevant. just because ibuprofen is safe and effective for pain management does not mean it's a good treatment for ulcerative colitis. any treatment modality must be rigorously studied in the exact context it is being used to prove its safety and effectiveness. so far it has not been demonstrated that giving kids HRT prevents suicide.
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>>43945371
JHU has nothing to do with the SEGM.
The WHO GDG is, however, influenced by the WPATH, so are you lamenting the fact that the WPATH are continuing to tamper the scientific inquiry into trans issues?
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>>43945198
You being a hon is your problem. If you look like shrek stop demanding people treat you like peach. If you are not happy then try harder. If it's not enough then it's YOUR problem, quit being a narcissist who thinks everyone around you needs to coddle you. Ugly cis people can have shit lives as well so why the fuck do you think you are special? Protagonist syndrome from too much time playing video games?
Grow the fuck up and stop ruining it for everyone else just cause you're a hon.
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>>43945422
Blah blah blah if I just stick my head in the sand and ignore the evidence there is no evidence.

My 3 year old is a better liar
We do you election turds come here evrry year before elections it isnt 2015 or even 2020 no one believes your bullshit you are posting for the sake of other election tourist cards.
Shouldn't you be in /pol/ debating if Trump outright lost the war or if this is 8d chess
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>>43945018
Erin Reed is unironically right and Trump proved any president with 51% of the vote and the supremes can do whatever they want. If you only have rights when they dont bother to steal an election (frequent occurrence with the GOP 1968, 1980, 2000, 2016, 2024 failed attempt 2020) then you dont have rights
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>>43945317
Isn’t this just a low context story of like, being inspired in your womanhood by someone else? That is being ripped up into a skinwalking narrative on the contextual rocks maliciously by terves? Like they’ve never aspired to someone else’s womanhood? Like? Be so real with me right now.
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>>43945447
kys
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>>43945018
STOP
TOLERATING
FAITH

this is a global effort and it's straight fucking orwellian
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>>43945070
>>43945531
Yeah terfs are fine with the lived experience of bi/pan/gay people growing up around same sex children and the do i want to be LIKE them?/be friends with them? Or something else young queer kids go through but gods forbid its a trans person then its evil evil skin walking evil.
It's so tiring, or it used to be i cant be bothered to care about snowflakes that want to throw a bitch fit every time a trans person exists publicly
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>>43945422
>there is no strong evidence that gender transition is safe
how about all of the safe, healthy and happy youngshits whose dysphoria is successfully managed?
>and effective in minors
how about all the smoking hot youngshits who have a body matching their hearts?

just what would you need for evidence?
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>>43945422
>so far it has not been demonstrated that giving kids HRT prevents suicide.
suicidal ideation drops more than 70% after starting hrt
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>>43945070
someone should tell allie beth that the 8 year old is an adult woman
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>>43946017
Achoti, do you want to appeal to vain body shape as efficacy? And the management of dysphoria as evidence?
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>>43946032
Implant the desire, sell its fulfillment. Capitalism 101.
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>>43946017
Like who? jazz jennings? The lack of papers tracking these outcome measures is the problem being raised
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>>43946878
how did capitalism give me bottom dysphoria since before I knew that men and women had different genitalia
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>>43945531
Why did she have to write ”today I am erin” instead of i liked the name and am now also called erin? Literally the worst way to phrase it.
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>>43945032
communism isnt real bro. i bet you think china is communist. corporate exploitation and dictatorships are real though. you sound like grandpas baggage with a pick me complex

i bet you think 'woke' is real too. like people caring for each other is a "movement" of some sort. meanwhile you probably think oligarchs are a good thing. spoiler, they're evil. theres a reason jesus said the rich are the least likely to go to heaven.

you thinking everybody else is insane is hilarious. just further illustrating how retarded you are really. heres your (you) faggot.
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>>43945133
there was 2 moments that broke the momentum. the "call me ma'am" hon and the subsequent dave chappelle special. that's the roots of the anti-trans tree.
im not too worried though. trump is ruining this country to the point maybe people will remember how absolutely corrupt and evil the republican scammers are
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>>43945070
>this grown man was a kid once!! and he was talking to little girls back then, the pervert!!
Amazing insight
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>>43945070
agp skinwalkers are the worst. there's this guy who's been skinwalking me ever since I rejected him so gross
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>>43945518
sums up our current political moment. even the voters think this is how it should work. i've unironically heard
>well whats the point of voting for president then
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>>43946970
Okay, so different sociocultural epistemes have different relationships to the use of language. When I say, low context, I mean that the speech was generated without significant regard to idiosyncracies and allusions and little bits of extra information, a very surface and vibes based language is used, and is not intended to be overly interpreted. A High Context episteme is more demanding of attention to these aspects of communication, and is invoking a larger whole of things rather than this discrete aspect, and the communication is centered on relationality of the totality, rather than segmentation of it. There are a few poles of this, men tend to be lower context than women, west tends to be lower context than east, and gay tends to be lower contrast than straight. This is basic cultural literacy, if you don’t have this you are not interacting with the person who belongs to this speech, you are seeing strange shadows that are not truly communicated from them. So, it’s not actually clever to jerk your clitty over these cultural aspects of the use of language, which has nothing to do with the person or culture or its values, and is reactionary xenophobia.
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>>43946899
>The lack of papers tracking these outcome measures is the problem being raised
They are there, you just stick your fingers in your ears and screech because you don't have 10000 people 40 year studies on a 0.1% of juvenile pop population that until like 20 years ago primarily self-managed care
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>>43947307
I’m ignoring reality by referring to observable reality. Ok if you say so
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>>43945434
>JHU has nothing to do with the SEGM.
Good cope buddy
>waah waah my delulus are hecking real don't you disrespect the kikes kys!!! Kysss!!! The poor kikes did nothing!!
Worst lolcow on this board
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>>43946900
They will never answer that
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>>43947315
Did you respond to the wrong post or something?
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>>43947340
>Good cope buddy
If you know of any connection between that Commission and the SEGM, prove it.
>>waah waah my delulus are hecking real don't you disrespect the kikes kys!!! Kysss!!! The poor kikes did nothing!!
Who are you quoting?
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>>43946900
exactly. they fail to realize this is beyond politics. it's primal from the soul. as in babies first thoughts, before the worlds corruption. i was like 6 or 7 when i finally even understood what sex was, or a fetish, or whatever else they're projecting onto us because they're so impure
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>>43945303
>hey we saw you being interviewed why the hell are you talking when you have no knowledge or experience in the field-
>RAPE! RAPEE! SILENCING! CENSORSHIP!
Thats it? Thats the "controversy"?
Anyway, as of lately AYAGDOS has failed to prove ROGD as well kek, yet again.
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>>43947307
>>43946899
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39996623/
>From 107 583 patients, matched cohorts demonstrated that those undergoing surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders than those without surgery. Males with surgery showed a higher prevalence of depression (25.4% vs. 11.5%, RR 2.203, P < 0.0001) and anxiety (12.8% vs. 2.6%, RR 4.882, P < 0.0001). Females exhibited similar trends, with elevated depression (22.9% vs. 14.6%, RR 1.563, P < 0.0001) and anxiety (10.5% vs. 7.1%, RR 1.478, P < 0.0001). Feminizing individuals demonstrated particularly high risk for depression (RR 1.783, P = 0.0298) and substance use disorders (RR 1.284, P < 0.0001).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21364939/
>The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8-4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8-62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9-8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0-3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21266549/
>In the MtF group, total mortality was 51% higher than in the general population, mainly from increased mortality rates due to suicide, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, cardiovascular disease, drug abuse, and unknown cause. No increase was observed in total cancer mortality, but lung and hematological cancer mortality rates were elevated. Current, but not past ethinyl estradiol use was associated with an independent threefold increased risk of cardiovascular death. In FtM transsexuals, total mortality and cause-specific mortality were not significantly different from those of the general population.
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>>43947547
Some follow up studies on transgender people. Not the greatest (besides the first one), but still interesting ones.
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>>43947535
Forgot to attach picrel my bad
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>>43945018
>Can remember when I first started feeling this way and how I hid it out of fear of being beaten/hated by my family and community
>Hated myself for how I felt in addition to the typical tranny body hate
>As far as people are concerned, I deserved to get beaten and tortured until I was mindbroken and hated myself WORSE just because they hoped it'd make me loyal to their Jewish doomsday cult called 'Christianity'
Gradually I began to hate them.
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>>43945447
are your lanky ahh arms tired from beating that strawman so hard
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>>43947547
>study that compares the post surgical dysphoric population with the non-dysphoric population rather than the pre-surgical dysphoric population
Wow, useless data that just shows that trans people are more likely to be depressed, probably because most trans people suffer lifelong issues thanks to a lack of early childhood treatment! Now compare pre and post treatment data.
>second study that does the same thing
>study that focuses on medications not used anymore
Yes we know synthetic estrogens are associated with cardiovascular risk. that's why we use bioidentical ones.
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>>43947535
>you have no knowledge or experience in the field-
The lead author of the WPATH SOC 8 has no knowledge or experience in the field?
I didn't know you guys agreed with the FTC.
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>>43947574
Erica Anderson, gigahon, mad that she was rejected from care and wants to inflict that fate on everyone else
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>>43947587
>Conveniently avoids the first study
Can't make this shit up.
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>>43947547
Those "studies" are comparing trans people vs cis people instead of trans people who receive treatment vs those who don't, its completely useless when the claim you're making is exclusively about trans people.
Its like if you tried to gauge the effectiveness of chemotherapy by comparing a group of people without cancer who don't receive it vs a group of stage 3 cancer patients who do.
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>>43947630
Didn't ignore it but you can't read.
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>>43947637
>trans people who receive treatment vs those who don't
The first study does that. It surveys 100k trannies, it's fucking bulletproof.
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>>43947649
>surveys trannies
>actually surveys trannylarpers and calls them trannies and equates them with actual dysphorics
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>>43947645
I was posting the 3 follow up studies that I know of. Any kind of follow up study that I know of.
I openly stated that they are not the greatest here >>43947554.
Anons were asking for follow up studies, not for a certain kind of follow up studies.
Science must be conducted in an impartial manner, which is what I am doing by posting all of the follow up studies I know of.
I know how to read, you don't know what impartiality is.
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>>43947686
Weird how you missed the actual longitudinal studies on childhood care like the Australian one that found that <1% of youth patients indicated detransition or cessation of care after a follow-up of up to 8 years.
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>>43947663
So you agree with the FTC that gender dysphoria is getting overdiagnosed?
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>>43947739
I agree that "Gender Dysphoria" as a singular diagnosis is broad and the study didn't distinguish between mild and severe dysphoria, which require different levels of treatments.
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>>43947720
Can't find it, post it.
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>>43947547
First one can't get full paper so ignoring
>Second one
Despite taking immigrant status and psychiatric holds into account with adjusted ratios, they don't take in the very notable disparity in education, which should've pushed to research things such as income/economic stability pre/post (notable amount of reassigned persons prostituting themselves) Cancer dominant (lung and tongue) in the sample would suggest cigarette usage, which could've pushed the rate of cardiovascular disease up as well
>Third
This would support my cigarette theory. Overrepresentation in lung cancers, significant amount of AIDS deaths, etc. Again on the 2nd one, it surprised me no deaths from AIDS were recorded from that time (yes, Sweden had AIDS/HIV) , to the point where I'd suggest some of the sucide deaths could've been AIDS patients
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>>43947778
Google. Like everybody has to dig for your fulltexts
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>>43947755
Considering the data, the treatments are the same for both mild and severe dysphoria, which must be changed so that only the most severe cases will continue to be treated as they were up until now, while the mild cases will stop getting these harmful treatments.
Btw, can you post the officially recognized criteria for mild and severe dysphoria?
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>>43947847
I posted the fucking links. Do the same.
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>>43947858
>harmful treatments
nta but why should your opinion (or really anyone else's opinion) about what's harmful should have any sway over my body?
i don't think it's harmful that my libido is lower, quite the opposite. i also don't think it's harmful that the effects of testosterone have been nuked on me, quite the opposite.
do you support a ban on abortion too? or is only the bodies of males you want to control?
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>>43947950
>nta but why should your opinion (or really anyone else's opinion) about what's harmful should have any sway over my body?
Because the goal is to lower the depression, anxiety and the other mental illnesses that are caused by gender dysphoria. If gender affirming care makes someone depressed, anxious, etc., then it is not the correct approach. Don't you agree?
>do you support a ban on abortion too?
Absolutely.
>or is only the bodies of males you want to control?
Interesting phrasing. First of all, you think of trannies as males (the body of *males*, not male bodies).
And secondly, you think of transitioning as something inherently male, while abortion is something inherently female.
You know that women can transition too?

But you already know the answer to the question if I would be in favour of banning gender affirming care for women or not, don't you?
Truth be told, the whole FTC vs WPATH debate is going to be the FTC scolding the WPATH because the WPATH didn't prevent all the women who hopped on the tranny trend from trooning out.
This is woman's issue, anon, not your issue.
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>>43947580
Christians have little to do with Jesus, and you can't blame Jews for whatever cult pops up in their name.
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>>43947870
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2815512
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>>43948198
Look at his flag, retard. He's not a trans woman, he's a femboy on feminising HRT
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>>43948282
I have on multiple occasions corrected your misunderstanding of this paper. Remember me? I take for granted you are the same person and have posted the study earlier.
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You guys know the anti-trans idiot is here because he needs you to join his death-cult to validate his own personal choices.
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>>43948283
Yeah... When did I refer to him as to a trans woman?
>>43948282
>A recent meta-analysis of 27 studies pooling 7,928 transgender participants who underwent any type of gender-affirming surgery found that just <1% experienced regret (Bustos et al., 2021). A seminal post-hoc analysis of the United Stated Transgender Survey of 27,715 trans adults found that approximately 13% of participants had “de-transitioned” temporarily or permanently at some point (mostly temporarily) (Turban et al., 2021).
Wrong study, btw.
Will look into it.
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>>43948379
This is the study I was referring to and is the type of longitudinal study you requested.
>>43948323
Are you the weirdo who keeps trying to insist the study doesn't actually confirm status before handing off care to adult services, even though in order to do that it requires continuous appointments?
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>>43945070
mad cuz mogged lmao
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>>43948198
>If gender affirming care makes someone depressed, anxious, etc., then it is not the correct approach. Don't you agree?
No, not necessarily. Definitely not on a policy level. If an individual doesn't like it, then yeah, of course the individual can stop it and should be able to. this happens in diy spaces all the time btw. that's what's bothering you (not just you personally, but the interest groups who pay for your shilling): that newer generations simply don't even care what the policy is and go straight to what they want.
well, tough luck. a lot more of this will continue to happen. not just on the tranny issue, but on most issues. we're simply done with listening to boomers and retards on what we're allowed to do.
>you think of trannies as males
yes, of course. you don't? lol
>you think of transitioning as something inherently male
no, i don't. that's why i said specifically trannies and not "transgender people". you'd know this if you weren't a shill and a tourist.
>You know that women can transition too?
idgaf about pooners, actually.
>This is woman's issue, anon, not your issue
it is my issue when retards like you purport to try to dictate what happens to my body.
>>43948335
what's his death cult? anything super interesting?
i love studying micro niches.
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>>43948469
You have evidently failed to understand both the study and my posts. The authors of the study did not in fact assess the present day status of a single patient, which means you are just plainly mistaken about the nature of this ”follow-up”. In fact I can guarantee that you are incapable of writing in your own words a short description of what the study method entailed because you simply never understood it to begin with.
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>>43948335
Fuck no. Let's be honest here, judging by the studies we (both your lot and me) posted, you guys would rather kill yourself than detransition.
Actual death cult mentality.
>>43948469
>This is the study I was referring to and is the type of longitudinal study you requested.
Bustos et al. is what you referenced. You posted an opinion piece. It's called "Considerations" for a reason. Can you read?
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>>43948535
>what's his death cult?
He's just your typical /pol/tard. "Gonna save the white race by making all the trannies turn into based chads!" or some other insane presumption.
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>>43948566
>opinion piece
ok retard
>>43948564
>"they didn't ask the patients right fucking now instead of confirming with them at time of discharge when they were closely tracked so therefore it doesn't count"
That's not how that works babe.
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>>43945303
https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/integrity-project_cass-response.pdf
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>>43948581
ah, those are actually harmless. especially since they do basically nothing anyway.
they larp on the mongolian basket weaving forum and that's about it.
i actually have 2 white children in my european country and i'm the qt bifag in the local far right group that actively pursues deportations (lawfare works, but it's not for low-iq poltards).
poltards would gain a lot more influence if they had cute trannies and femboys because finally there would be a non-zero amount of poltards that aren't bald, fat, virgin and routinely even more low-T than I am, kek.
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>>43948535
>Definitely not on a policy level
What is the correct policy in your opinion. How should we address mental illness, if not by addressing the stress and discomfort it causes?
>that's what's bothering you
Not me personally fyi. I'm bothered by the obstruction that the WPATH is doing on scientists.
>yes, of course
Based.
>you don't?
I do see them as men, but I see people around here using their preferred pronouns all the time. Sorry for thinking you were one of them.
>that's why i said specifically trannies and not "transgender people".
Not in the post I responded to.
>you'd know this if you weren't a shill and a tourist.
You do realize you are not tripfagging? Are you the sole owner of the femboy flag? Do I need to be 24/7 on 4chan to know that? You give yourself too much importance, anon.
>it is my issue when retards like you purport to try to dictate what happens to my body
...by changing the policy that you say noone cares about? Why would that bother you?
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>>43948642
If I may ask, have you actually read yourself the entire study from start to finish, or are you passing on the link after having found it provided as citation by a middle man whose interpretation you’re relying on?
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>>43948581
I mean ironically I was doing all the things they bitch about chads doing as a teen. Non stop sleeping around, dating, I had so many potential options I started introducing my dork friends to them back when the incels on 4chan called themselves forever alone. The 99.9% of incels would still have shit lives even if I wasnt a tranny and if anything I'd be defining more women if I wasnt a tranny. Plus I wasnt a "chad" I was a lanky out bisexual faggot with pigtails the exact kind of person they hate. My blue haired bisexual wife laughs her ass off about this insanity.
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>>43948734
>My blue haired bisexual wife
nta but i hope you banked sperm and you're considering children, nona.
the only way we win is by reproduction. and it's easy to beat the terminally online chuds since none of them will ever reproduce.
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>>43945238
It's easy in a hyper-polarized environment to refuse to see any criticism is valid, because it inevitably comes from someone who actually is evil. But it's the lack of internal pushback that creates these situations.
Youngshits deserved better science backing their medicine. Now it's being taken from them entirely internationally, because an entirely different set of adults didn't do their jobs.
>>43945377
Medically this is probably correct. Delaying puberty for more than a couple years has long-term consequences.
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>>43949237
we know it has consequences and that's been known but the fucking chuds still put kids on them for years because they don't let them go on HRT
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>>43947010
>i bet you think 'woke' is real too. like people caring for each other is a "movement" of some sort.
is it? the jury is still out on that. the problem is that the dynamics of politics have been altered by the internet and entities seeking to control mass communication.
the problem to me is less "woke" but rather the games played on human society to make them care about trivial bullshit, or to make them believe others do. there's just a massive game of confusion and outrage going on that is making everyone neurotic because nothing can just be. and thats not to "fence sit" but rather to say, cut out the noise.
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>>43947816
redpill me on cigarette theory, anon
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>>43945027
Funny coming from people who force the religion of gender. Why should we tolarete you freaks show.
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>>43950073
>force the religion of gender
ok boomer
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>>43945027
By abolishing gender roles but you retard are not interest in the truth you just want privilige.
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Dysphoria is a social construct invented by sociaty nobody suffer from it is all in your head. Affirming your delusion make it worse for you even if you think it make you better.
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>>43950110
Do you think trans people generally aren't in favor of abolishing gender roles, and that the people opposed to trans people's existence aren't in favor of gender roles?
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>>43950191
Nope
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>>43950135
Everything is basically constructed in some way. The question isn't really whether it is or not but rather whether the thing being constructed makes sense. Is Gender Dysphoria constructed? Maybe, but then how is it somehow any worse than other constructed things? We either have to accept some semblance of nonsensicality, or, we can just spend time trying to build a perfect logical system, that may make sense when isolated to its own conditions, but fall apart when forced deeper. The entire world is delusional. Existing with conditions on things at all is abstraction of itself. And the option always comes to, do you want to tear everything down and live like a caveman, or, do we need to accept that these things are, and recognize that they, just like anything else, is largely a matter of subjective context and circumstances without any explicit "good" or "evil" value? Any system that desires a return or a building of some grand motive of the sort falls apart because it tries to unwind the clock, whether to return to an idyllic past, or to believe in an engineered social harmony brought forth by those who "know better". The student who is sleepy is doomed to repeat, the only way out is through.
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>>43945032
You're next dick lips <3
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>>43947649
>The first study does that. It surveys 100k trannies, it's fucking bulletproof.
Does it compare the same person before and after surgery? If it doesn't, then it doesn't prove the surgery made it worse. It just shows that the more dysphoric group are just more likely to seek out surgery.
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>>43945213
>>43945266
>>43950135
>People who hate trannies think that helping trannies be trannies is bad
Wow, that's crazy
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>>43945362
Yeah it never "does much besides a compilatory work". Did it ever compile all the times it itself peddled pseudoscience/shaky studies as "groundbreaking research"?
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>>43945018
>statutes designed to go after companies selling snake oil and fake cancer cures
Spot on implementation of the statute there. /lgbt/ should really stop recklessly diagnosing people and pushing drugs on them to "help" with their condition before the various drug dealers and manipulatives around here get in deeper trouble with the law than they bargained for.

>The complaint alleges that WPATH "provided the means for medical providers to make false and unsubstantiated claims to parents in order to sell pediatric medical transition services,"
Big if true. Certainly wouldn't be the first time now, would it?

>>43945027
Stop spamming faggot.
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>>43945070
Alot of people in the replies clearly want to defend this guy but can't really. That's part of the problem with dealing with those who aren't even trying to be healthy or reasonable.

>We're actually born this way, but here's why I'm assuming the identity of a little girl I met when I was 8.



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