>trans women are men that transitioned into womenor>trans women were born women, they've always been womenthis is a litmus test. do not fail
>>43951028Trans women are hot.
>>43951028I love seals!!!!! sweet babies!!!!!!
>>43951028my take is that i simply do not know and it should not matter. i will tend to believe whatever the trans woman says she experienced
>>43951028litmus deez nuts
>>43951028nunbeir 1
>>43951037truth
>>43951028Trans women are women who used to be men or boys
>>43951028can't both be true at the same time? by definition trans women were assigned male at birth, though internally they have always been women, so they transition to match and be treated as who they really are inside.
>>43951037what about the ugly ones?
>>43951854>though internally they have always been womenhow do you know that though
trans women are MALE MEN who falsely, unconvincingly pretend to be women
>>43951181>actively believing categorical liarsnot good
>>43951028men and women are made up lies so the lords can make sure their peasants are reproducing. we're all pretending to be a made up version of ourselves for the benefit of an empty audience.
>>43952187the seats are empty,the theatre is dark-so why do you keep dancing?
>>43952263im fucking bored
>>43952324nice is bored enjoying it?
Nobody is born a woman.Me, I was born as a baby, was raised as a boy, then grew into a woman. I don't think I was predetermined into this at birth, that's just how I found happiness given my circumstances.
>>43953187dont stay on this board if you have that little cynicism/determinism in you
>>43953192I stayed away for a long while after I stopped repping because I couldn't handle the negativity. But at this point I'm too happy for any of that nonsense to touch me. And I like to think I might help someone someday see more clearly.
>>43951028A woman isn't something you're born as, its something you grow into.
>>43953647A woman is a chromosomal confection.
>>43951028they transitioned to womennot because of hons or whatever, but because I meet beautiful trannies that act and talk like men
>>43953783Children are not women you shitskin pedo
neither matches me. i do not think anyone is born women - even cis girls grow into the women they become. i think i was a boy who grew into a woman.separate to that i also think that my self understanding and experiences were different to other boys and so i think theres something here about the language being inadequate to describe the complexity.i also always was who i am now even if people grow and change, i didn't transform into someone new
>>43951899how do you know cis women are internally women? you go off of what they say
>>43951028mmmmmm..... depends
>>43951028Trick question because every answer is wrong no matter how you word it.
>>43953187so if you would been raised as a girl would you grown vag when growing up? ;/
trans women are neither men nor women but a poorly understood third thing
>>43954699then why can their sex be identified before they're even out the womb and why nobody has been identified as trans during birth?
>>43954699The most reasonable take. They will never be women but they've changed themselves enough so they're not quite men anymore. Hardcore terf and "transwomen are women" takes are equally delusional.
>>43951028it’s all so tiring. men are men, women are women, you know them when you see them. sexual characteristics are the only reality, everything beyond that is just the human tendency to categorize
>>43954787I just think of man and woman as like grown ass adults with social characteristics instead of fetuses >>43954817glad I pass the litmus test
>>43951028i don't know but i like the seal a lot
>>43955214>I just think of man and woman as like grown ass adults with social characteristics instead of fetusesso in your head a penis haver stops being a man if they start doing gardening or something?
>>43955287nope in my head men can be gardners like in the movie Being There or Lord of the Rings
>>43955299so then a vagina haver would be a man if they do gardening
>>43955331I don't think we are going to understand each other
all trans women are just male men pretending to be women no trans woman on earth actually looks female without a disguise/editing/anglefraud/distortion
>>43955374that is exactly why I asked you because your statement of>I think that man and woman is based on their social characteristicsdoesn't make much of any sense and is incredibly sexist
>>43951878they're sweet angels in need of care and support>>43951028latter, since they brain was forcefemmed in utero
>>43955444I said men and women are grown adults with social characteristics
>>43955483you said that in the context of sex identification. Then what it is you think makes someone a man or someone a woman? and why is it a bad thing?
>>43955510the OP question was simple and my basically men and women are different kinds of people and trans people are different kinds of people too. i never meant to say anything more than that now stop hallucinating in your frontal lobe
>>43955546*my answer is
>>43955546so why can't we still identify trans people until they themselves decide to identify as trans? why all we can do is say this baby is a girl and this a boy? what if there are just 2 sexes and you're stupid for thinking that your personality is sex?
>>43955579I don't really care if you think I'm stupid
>>43955594yeah but the problem is>its like this>ok but why>because this is that>ok but if this is that then this would also be that and these things contradict with each other>yeah>yeah what???>I don't care
>>43955635It doesn't have to be a problem
>>43955654how is it not a problem that there's peple around who can't even explain the things they believe in to themselves>yea bro it's a dragon there>where>there>I don't see it>yea you can't see it if you don't want to>?????there's just men and women and then those men and women can do things they want, you are more than just a man or just a woman, you are your own person. What's the point in trying to complicate the system more? Many people just see you as a malicious actor and you end up getting even more hate because you can't explain anything you say.
>>43955722honestly the questions you started with were pretty dumb in my opinion so I just gave up in explaining it to you
>>43955752there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.
>>43955792I mean I don't see you changing your mind based on anything I say and you misrepresented my view from the start so I genuinely don't believe I could possibly give a smart answer for you
>>43955810I don't partake in discussions with the intent to convert or to be converted. I do it to exchange information.
>>43955840and I have doubts in your information parsing ability
don't even bother sis.the terf doesn't want to discuss.
>>43955852I even quoted you in my posts so how could I possibly have parsed them wrong, you just refuse to engage with them and now there's like 10 posts of "yeah you just don't get it"
>>43955897you put a meme arrow and wrote something completely from what I said
trans women are men that emulate women
>>43955920
>>43955944now that's what I call a citation
>>43951037Based
>>43955897she just want to impute social categories to sexed body parts to determine gender.penis=man, vagina=womaneven if a tranny/poon do sex change surg, she will point to other characteristics to say what is a man/woman and will deny the nature of a transexualised body(achieved through a medical transition) and how its sex has changed.now lets not talk much abt the behavior part cuz the terf will say that socialization is, somehow, immutable or an essential thing of the mind that once internalized, can't be changed. terfy girl, pls go bother somebody else.
>>43956024To what do you want me to reply?to determine sex based on penis or vag is easy and accurate so what's the problem? Even if the body gets surgically modified that doesn't change the fact that the body was penisborn or vaginaborn. there's only two options to be born as.But why is it such a huge deal if you're a man or a woman? can't you just be - you? Not every woman is the same, not every man is the same.and no, I do not believe that socialization is immutable if that's what you were trying to say.
>>43956172>Even if the body gets surgically modified that doesn't change the fact that the body was penisborn or vaginaborn.Even if the body gets surgery, it never achieves an actual penis or vagina. Neither a neovagina nor a phalloplasty dick is comparable to the real thing besides momentarily mistaking them for the same in a passing glance. Embedding whiskers into my face will not truly give me whiskers, nor make me a tiger.
>>43956172>there's only two options to be born as.*disappears in intersex*
>>43956259I remember that guy
>>43956311THERIANS RISE UP
