Man is Sun, Woman is Moon.Man is Positive, Woman is Negative.Man is A, Woman is B.Man is First, Woman is Second.For some Reason things are like This.Do not ask me Why, it just Is.
This thread is a perfect example of the incel to gay pipeline.
>>43954824I am not Incel, I am just sayong the Truth.Nature made things Like this and people are Mad somehow.
>>43954824They're not faggots because they're incels, they're incels because they're faggots
It's pretty difficult to be gay and cel
>>43954830>>43954933>>43954948More like ya’ll are mad cause I spoke the truth. The only reason for male sexuality is because they were either diddled, mommy issues, overbearing mother or rejected by the female sex completely
>>43954948anything's possible if you're sufficiently fucked by your upbringing
>>43954948>>43954933Not an Argument tho.Castrated Men are Everywhere and it is the Rule now, and I am not one of Them.You are Desperate for Acceptance.
Capitalisation of random words highly indicative of schizophrenia.
>>43954970Try Harder.
>>43954976Have you ever been touched in a gentle and loving way, a way where you didn’t react out of extreme avoidance, trauma or shyness?
>>43954987Why does it Care?
>>43954994Why so defensive?
>>43954816True. But what if you are a sun who really likes other suns?
>>43954994>why do you CareWhy does it MatterFixed.>>43954999I don't Care about that Gay stuff.
>>43954958>>43954964
>>43955039you literally have the gay male flag, retard faggot
>>43955048>>43955000It doesn't Matter if you are HomosexualThe Sun is Still the Sun and the Moon is Still the Moon.
>>43955064I don’t think women want to be bossed around by retarded faggots like you, how about you leave it to the REAL men sweetie
>>43954816>For some Reason things are like This.Yes. The reason is that patriarchal norms are conditioned into each of us from birth.
>>43955073I don't Care about what Women want.Their Will does not Make Reality.I am just Saying the Truth.
>>43955086Because it is Real.God is Real and He made Things like This.We just Follow his Rule.
>>43955107 I am genuinely interested in talking to you? DC?
>>43955114Well, since you’re a TRUE believer you MUST care what God has to say about your kind, huh?
>>43955086The oppressive patriarchal norms that are assigning penises and vaginas to our babies before they're even born. :[
>>43955126I don't Think the Whole Bible is the Word of God.I believe in God. I am not a Christian, but I believe in God the one who Actually Created the World.
>>43955116What do you Wanna Talk about?
>>43955156Everything
>>43955140the penises and vaginas themselves are not oppressive, what is are all the things imposed upon them by the sexist culture
>>43954816Did you know that in traditional Japanese and Germanic religions, it's the Sun that's feminine? The goddess Amaterasu of the Sun is well known, but the Germanic goddess of the Sun was named Sunna or Sol. The former is where we get the English name Sun, while the latter is the Norse word for the same. It shares the same Indo-European root as the Latin word Sol, of course, though in Roman religion they saw the Sun as masculine.
>>43955224Well, They're Wrong.
>>43955198and your plan to fight this sexist culture is to shape your body to fit the norms of this culture? Doesn't this only further reinforce the idea of man doing man things and woman doing woman things?
>>43955267You need to be brutally raped
>>43955198Penis is the Symbol of Power.It is not Created by Culture, but it is the Reality.
>>43955269where did you get that assumption from? i keep my penis yet i reject all that is imposed upon this organ by renouncing the social role of 'man'>>43955279Andrea Dworkin, Intercourse:>Remarkably, it is not the man who is considered possessed in intercourse, even though he (his penis) is buried inside another human being; and his penis is surrounded by strong muscles that contract like a fist shutting tight and release with a force that pushes hard on the tender thing, always so vulnerable no matter how hard. He is not possessed even though his penis is gone—disappeared inside someone else, enveloped, smothered, in the muscled lining of flesh that he never sees, only feels, gripping, releasing, gripping, tighter, harder, firmer, then pushing out: and can he get out alive? seems a fundamental anxiety that fuels male sexual compulsiveness and the whole discipline of depth psychology. The man is not possessed in fucking even though he is terrified of castration; even though he sometimes thinks—singly or collectively in a culture—that the vagina has teeth; but he goes inside anyway, out of compulsion, obsession: not obsessed with her, a particular woman; but with it, getting inside. He is not possessed even though he is terrified of never getting his cock back because she has it engulfed inside her, and it is small compared with the vagina around it pulling it in and pushing it out: clenching it, choking it, increasing the friction and the frisson as he tries to pull out. He is not possessed even though he rolls over dead and useless afterward, shrunk into oblivion...this is the distorted view you have of the power dynamics between sexes
>>43955372>where did you get that assumption from?From the statistics of 90%+ of the posters here being or wanting to be trans.
>>43955372Wow that is a wall of massive cope. Is being stabbed the dominant position? Heh u may have penetrated my lung but askhully my pectoral muscle is ENGULFING your knife so I'm winning heh.
>>43954824I wish i went down the incel to gay pipeline instead of the incel to tranny pipelineI wish i was evil, it's so much easier than being good in this shitty world
>>43955471i am trans, this doesn't mean i am a misogynist>>43955495when you stab someone, is the hole usually already there before you penetrate it? is it ever an organ, a healthy part of someone's body? think of it as a hand grabbing your knife and disarming you, not your knife making a wound in the flesh. the vagina is much nearer to a hand than it is to a wound.
>>43955540>i am transyes so. How does becoming trans help the problem where women and men are being put into slots? You're just playing into their game.
>>43955540>the continued copeThe man penetrates and inherently dominates the woman. Leaves her full of his seed and she becomes pregnant with his baby.There is a reason why the dominant, completely physically superior sex is the one that does the penetrating.
>>43955198>Not understanding basic human power politics and societal structuresThere is always an imposed norm. If you seek to destroy the existing one you'll have to replace it with a new one, there's no such thing as humanity without tribal structures or hierarchy. Someone is always imposing something and striving for freedom from imposed norms merely invites someone else to impose a new norm. Moreover, people want it this way because this is what is normal in human society.
>>43954816The sun is sperm, as it penetrates us with violent radiation, raping our skin but giving us life, it’s hot, it’s performs a mating press upon the earth itself inseminating us with life. The moon controls water, water is both gentle and violent, flowing, calm serene healing, secrecy, magick, whispers of shadows
>>43955571So funny how adjacent moids are in their thinking to literal animals. They don't even question the fact that their only measure of value in humans is strenght. How good you are at raping and killing. It's the same thing as beauty, as goodness, in their language.Probably why manmade gods, meant to be paragons of virtue, always rape and kill so much
>>43955198Is a fact but we live in a reality where gender and biology are inter twine your male or female anything outside of that is mental illness.
>>43955616Men are also the vast, vast majority of geniuses and have invented essentially everything of actual note.
>>43954816It’s the way God created humans.1 Corinthians 11:3 NLT3 But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
>>43955562how does someone who looks like a woman but has a penis fit into these slots? i don't play the game>>43955571>There is a reason why the dominant, completely physically superior sex is the one that does the penetrating.there are many different species where this is not the case, yet they reproduce just fine.>>43955574i am not against the existence of an imposed norm, but the end goal is of course to have a norm of equality between all people, and the sexes. there would be no one striving for freedom under this norm because everyone is free.> there's no such thing as humanity without tribal structures or hierarchysimply untrue>>43955620>asexual>calling other people mentally ill for no reason'mental illness' is fake and gay and just a way for the capitalists to make you believe you're the problem instead of their backwards society.>>43955647>have invented essentially everything of actual noteyou mean taken credit for the ideas they stole from their wives?
>>43955648That’s the demiurge not god, begone foul archon of Yaldabaoth, you may not subjugate those who do not kneel to your vile lies
>>43955647Yes because women physically couldn't get basic education retard. When humans first designed "civilized" society 14000 years ago an integral part of it was total patriarchy enforced by pure physical strenght. I really wish we worked like anglerfish, males shouldve just been useless sacks of cum to be disposed after use, we don't need more than 1 real gender.
>>43955656>there are many different species where this is not the caseNot ours.>you mean taken credit for the ideas they stole from their wivesLMFAO. Extreme cope. Female is the inferior sex, just let it go.
>>43955677Well no. They just realized women are retarded children and need to be ruled.
>>43954816baba is you and op is faggot
>>43955687i am in favor of altering the biology of males to make them less inclined to be oppressive rapemonsters. now don't get confused, this last part does not make them superior despite what your androgen-poisoned mind may be telling you. if their greater physical strength is what makes males think it's okay to oppress women, i suggest we take it away from them.
>>43955656>how does someone who looks like a woman but has a penis fit into these slots?you find your soul and behaviour fit better to the woman slot so you make yourself look like a woman to match the slot. People don't see your penis in public to begin with.
>>43955764not really. for some reason i just found myself in excruciating anguish caused by looking like a man. i don't know why this is. my soul does not feel female and neither does my behavior. i don't think souls have genders.
>>43955776so do you just hate everyone who looks like a man?
>>43955696Ok so if men were weak and women strong (with the brains staying the same) would society still be patriarchal because obviously it all just happened diplomatically and women agreed to being sex slavesIdk why i'm responding to ragebait desu
>>43955814no... the anguish only applies to myself. again, i don't know why. though i don't usually get along with men if they're not autistic. i have gotten along with allistic men before but i either had to try very hard or i had a crush on them, or they were homosexual. maybe autism is the answer but this seems reductive to me
>>43955733It's not just men's strength. As stated previously the vast majority of geniuses are men. These geniuses also concluded that women are retarded children that need to be ruled.
>>43955892this is just the result of a centuries-long confirmation bias that made it so men were the only ones ever recognized for their genius, while the genius women were forced to do reproductive labor and thus could not even express it or even when they did, were not recognized for it
>>43955828>diplomacy Lol. Reality isn't fair, bud. So why do you think that evolution favored making women cluster around average intelligence (ie. Dumb), be irrational and emotional. While favoring making men the vast majority of geniuses and superior at critical thinking?
>>43955892Yeah and now that we live in a marginally less patriarchal world in which women are allowed to do shit other than make babies we're slowly starting to realize how much of our "reasearch" is moids circlejerking their amably strenghthttps://youtu.be/FHUBXfJ71pw?si=TDTx1uu6BuGRMp-u
>>43955916That's total bullshit. You're just using mental gymnastics to avoid accepting that genetically and biologically women just simply are very rarely genius.
>>43955953>now that we live in a marginally less patriarchal worldAnd it's worse. Funny.>w-watch this heckin youtube video!!Shan't. You fucking retard.
>>43955866do you get along with normal women either?
>>43955916>>43955970what metric are you using to define genius anyway? if it's IQ, which i assume it is because of the things you have stated, then i reject your claim outright for using such an outdated and racist metric>>43955997it depends what you mean by normal... but i have gotten along with many cissexual, allistic and heterosexual women, yesmy girlfriend is cis though she has adhd so i don't know if she counts as normal
>>43956023>reject your claim outright for using such an outdated and racist metricLOL.>black people score 85 IQ on average, making them stupid>it HAS to be racism!! They couldn't possibly just be dumb!IQ is genetic, pal. They just have poor genes for intelligence. It's that simple. They are actually very dumb on average.
>>43954824I went down the gay to incel to tranny to detrans ascetic celibate pipeline though.
>>43956056kill yourself
>>43955984Our world was fucking shit ever since moids invented patriarchy 14000 years ago like i said before. Arguing whether or not it was better or worse during medieval times or whatever is pointless (on top of being stupid) because it's all objectively shit when compared to the hunter gatherer days where we lived within the confines of an enviroment and lifestyle that didn't make you want to kill yourself (on top of women not being tortured 24/7)I dont care about this enough to write a tldr but if you were to actually watch the video (which won't happen anyway because a woman made it) you'd know how much moids lie just to keep brainwashing people into the belief that moid rape and murder is virtuous and naturalIn short: kys, retarded fag.
>>43956060>REEE STOP TELLING ME ABOUT REALITY>I just want to play pretend and understand nothing!!lol lmao
>>43956125projection
>>43956086>Our world was fucking shit ever since moids invented patriarchy 14000 years agoNah it was lit.
>>43956135You're literally blinding yourself to reality because you don't like it. You think it's not fair that black people are on average dumb. Therefore you just pretend it's not the case.
>>43956196you like the fact that black people are considered 'dumber' by the metric of IQ, therefore you pretend IQ isn't an outdated an inaccurate measure of intelligence.
>>43956186If you like death, suffering, pointless conflict and population booms leading to a vicious cycle of even more suffering then maybe. Would make sense given that you are a moid
>>43956086you're like those white people who talk about black rights
>>43956218>You like the fact that black people are factually, objectively, dumber on average Fixed that for you. And no, actually I don't. I would prefer if they weren't. They would cause less problems and would contribute more if they weren't. And sub-saharan africa wouldn't be totally useless.
>>43956222trips of truth
>>43956222Thing is death and suffering are just inevitability of life. It's always easy to blame the people in power for every bad thing happening. You see this in politics all the time. Oh X is in power or X is president, the problem we are currently having must be because of X. Then the next Y will replace X in power and now every problem will be Y's fault.
>>43956356>death and suffering are inevitable dood! it's just how nature works!This is literally what I'm talking about, moid propaganda that the moid world order is totally natural just falls apart when you look at prehistoric evidenceYou do see it in politics all the time because politics (read: moid politicians and moid billionares) is inherently what causes it, retardLike I said before, before politics even existed, there was no patriarchy, and life had inherently more meaning for everyone
>>43956272Not really equivalent because my misandry is not performative and 100% genuine
>>43956404Yeah life had more meaning because it was harder to live. You need to kill living to not to die. Now you just buy it from stores and companies have their irl Minecraft xp farms to kill animals in. And nobody likes millionaires rly.
>>43956404>Like I said before, before politics even existed, there was no patriarchyWrong.
>>43956439You conflated millionares and billionares so I already know you're retarded but I'll respond in good faith anyway:Life wasn't better because we had to kill - we didn't have to kill. In fact, collectively, as a species, we've never killed less than before the agricultural revolution. There were countless human groups that survived solely on gathering - something that moids like to paint as an unneccesary hobby prehistoric women did in their free time for fun, when in reality it was something both men and women did routinely on an everyday basis, with hunting being a last resort. When humans did hunt, it was also a gender neutral activity, because strenght wasn't needed for 99% of hunts which consisted purely of endurance hunting for small and medium sized prey animals.Imagine you're a human living before agriculture. You travel with a group of ~~100 people. Everybody knows each other personally, which means there was no central authority. You don't have to go to work or pay taxes or worry about child eating pedophiles ruling over the world and spying on you. You just gather berries and mushrooms, fuck your wife, eat and sleep. Then suddenly some asshole figures out you can plant seeds to grow plants and before you know it you have to worship a god king and live in a society. You are now threatened by war, famine, poverty, shit that we just made up for no reason other than to torture ourselves. Fast forward to now and instead of like 100000 people living in harmony mostly unaware of each other just chilling we have 80000000 and they all fucking hate it here. But apparently it's worth it because it means the foids were epically owned.
>>43956636that sounds awful there would be maybe one other gay there
>>43956636You can move to Africa right now if>you just gather berries and mushrooms, fuck your wife, eat and sleepis your dream life. Poverty, starvation and diseases will also be solved because everyone will be poor, starving and sick.
>>43956681Sorry i kinda got used to most chuds on the internet being straight moids>>43956737>Poverty, starvation and diseases will also be solved because everyone will be poor, starving and sick.Funny how moids seem to think that their problems aren't so bad if everyone around them has them too. Pain and destruction is literally more important to them than their own thriving and survival.My point was that none of these things would be an issue in a prehistoric hunter gatherer group (as opposed to modern day africa). If you're hungry just go outside and eat something, nothing is being actively exploited by billionares. Diseases also aren't a problem because like i said small groups, there wouldn't be a massive plauge that kills millions. Poverty wouldn't exist because currency wouldn't exist in the first place. Prehistory was literally the only time a classless society ever worked and it was optimal from a minimizing suffering pov despite there only being rudimentary mold medicine, life expectancy being much lower than today and technology not existing outside of stone tools
>>43956864Yeah bro it's so chill. Just go outside and eat something. (or end up not finding anything and die lmao)And the poverty starvation etc. was your own words used against you when you said low quality life is great if high quality life didn't exist.
>>43956899Yes a rich westerner today has it better than a caveman but again, from a minimizing worldwide suffering pov, significantly less people living on equal ground is still better. Also, even rich people today complain that their lives aren't fulfilling literally all the time. And I would definitely rather be a caveman than a modern wagie (let alone a 3rd world neoslave) if i wasn't also a troon.Also, if you don't find anything, that's a massive skill issue considering that a) like i said nothing is exploited so you can just go anywhere (how do you think migration happened) and theres much more shit everywhere than today b) you have no permanent house and no private property so you can just look more My point is that it wasn't low quality life at all when compared to most lives humans live rn and people overestimate how hard/inconvenient it would be
>>43957042No. A poor westerner has it better today. I can literally do nothing and still afford food and place to live in.>suffering = less people living on equal groundsyeah so you're just incapable of comparing us to cavemen and instead seethe about rich people
>>43957104You read wrong, i meant there were less people alive, and they were all equal
>>43957227Yes, which doesn't mean that they lived better than the "poor" people today. Yes, you're hyperfocus on the muh rich people instead of actually comparing our lives to hunter gathereres.
>>43955372wow man it's hard to believe Dworking made a career out of writing absolute meaningless retarded babble like this and to this day she is, somehow, taken seriously as an academic
>>43954816Idk why women are so negative, but I wish they weren’t
>>43954816I thought woman was earth and hermaphrodites were the moon.
>>43957244They literally did though. If you're not convinced about wageslaves having it worse that's fine there are literally billions of people living in literal hell right now. I know you said "our lives" but the reality is the western world + other people of equivalent wealth only makes up like 20% of the population at most. Kinda hard not to mention muh rich people when they're literally responsible for this. My main argument from the beginning was that this is the most optimal model of living for humanity from a utilitarian pov. If humans never evolved into anything more advanced than homo erectus (or did evolve homo sapiens but couldn't settle in place with agriculture for whatever reason) we'd never invent society and the world would be objectively better. You can argue that it all went wrong sometime later but every falling domino that caused a sudden burst of "progress" (ie suffering) like the industrial revolution, dawn of colonialism etc was already doomed to fall when the first one was pushed and that first one was agriculture.
>>43954816who gave the 14th century alchemist a phone raise your hands
>>43957444After reading all your posts I can't help but conclude how much of a whiny retard you are. I'm actually glad the evil "moid violence rape destruction!!!" As you say prevailed, it allowed us to achieve great things while we would be as unremarkable as chimps if you had it your way.>I'm just saying from a purely utilitarian Yes, I understood this from the beginning, the issue is simply utilitarianism is a retarded position from start to finish, your whole argument is just a reductio ad absurdum for this conclusion but somehow you still take it seriously. No, I disagree, I think there is and should be more to life than just being a triving little chimp eating fruit on a river bank. It doesn't matter that simply by nature of evolution the monkeys from 15 thousand years ago were "happier" on some sense of the word, their lives were shallow and meaningless precisely because they did nothing but spend all their time concerned just with their immediate physical needs.Thank GOD for the agricultural revolution and from how the GREAT CIVILIZATIONS that followed put the hunter gatherers into their place. >but now many people are sad andsucks to suck
>>43956864>Prehistory was literally the only time a classless societyClassless society has never existed and will never exist. Hierarchy is inherent and immutable.
>>43957685Yeah i worded that wrong, it wasn't a classless society because hierarchy is inherent in society. It was a lack of society which by extension meant a lack of class>>43957651>Yes I agree that it caused all suffering ever but actually it was worth it because "meaning" (whatever that means) and also alexander the great had aura or something
>>43958083Bud, more than one family living together is automatically a society.
>>43958439Is it really more than one family if like i said before everybody knew each other personally?
>>43958456Yes dumbass.
>>43958464Not really though for the purposes of defining society. It doesn't matter if everyone has the same grandpa, you still can:Agree on everything without a centralized authority figure purely via discussionTreat all possesions as common / live without private propertyResist all attempts at claiming dictatorship via social isolationResolve disagreements with voting as a groupetcIt was essentially what retarded 14 year olds think socialism could be, except on a much, much smaller scale, and it actually worked.
>>43958561Society has a definition. And it's not narrow. A "central authority figure" isn't necessary for it to be a society. Additionally, with your proposed 100 person village, that totally isn't a society (lmao), it will absolutely have by natural selection a leader. Hierarchy is utterly unavoidable. Your mythical not-society never existed.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/society
>>43958610By definition it's not a village, a village implies settlement and therefore private property which fucks everything (though this is probably just semantics)Also, obviously there would be authority in the sense that people would respect their elders or other people who earned their respect in some way making their opinions inadvertadly more valuable. Still it's disingenuous to compare this to what happened literally immediately after we figured out farms which is 1 god king ruling over an entire city state claiming to be the omnipotent creator of the universe.That kind of inherently political authority requires private property, the whole reason he's king is because he's the one who owns all the farms, the food, the animals etc. If a caveman tried to become the sole ruler of his group by force, taking all the food and expecting to be obeyed, he would obviously be exiled or killed. Even if we were to assume that everyone in the group was an opportunist, it would just cause an uncomfortable stalemate because everyone would need each other to survive.
>>43958896Private property had always existed and will always exist. And I assure you many, many 100 person "not-villages" in history had a ""God king"". A person who gathered power benevolently or maliciously, and ruled. Maybe he was the smartest, maybe he was the most charismatic, maybe he was the strongest. But it most definitely happened, many, many times prior to farms.Your no private property, no hierarchy, no rulers fantasy, is just that, a fantasy. Do you think they had a rack of loin clothes everyone took off at night then put on in the morning, not caring which was which? Grug makes a nice stone axe. It's better than others that have been made since he took a lot of time refining it. He uses it every day. One day he looks for it and it's gone. Grog has it. Wtf. He goes over and takes it back. Make your own if you want a nice one.Private property.
