>what is INTERGEN?INTERGEN is a general for intersex people to talk to each other about their experiences or just to hang out>what is an intersex person?Intersex people are those born with any of several sex characteristics, including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitalia that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies>am I intersex?We are not doctors, please seek medical advice, but dont be afraid to ask questions here to maybe understand things better>are trans people intersex?Trans people are not inherently intersex, however an intersex person can transition if they want, “neurologically intersex” is not scientifically proven as being intersex pertains to the sex organs or hormonal productions>how is this /lgbt/?We share similar experiences of discrimination and social prejudice based on sex and gender norms, even though intersex is a variation of sex characteristics, not a gender identity or sexual orientation itself>this thread isn’t lgbt you don’t belong hereRhetoric like this is the same that discriminates against all of us. People with developmental sexual differences can at times have more complexities in their personal situations when it comes to sex and gender, both physically and mentally.Please be respectful, politeness doesn’t cost you anything—————————>QOTTHave you done something nice for yourself lately?>bonus article, please read if you like https://publications.iadb.org/en/lives-intersex-people-socio-economic-and-health-disparities-mexico
I love being able to jerk myself off and drink my titty milk at the same time, God blessed me with such wonderful gifts.
ALL gay men and lesbians are intersex, behaviorally, and physically too (gait, voice, facial characteristics)
This board is for the respectful discussion of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender community. Begone hermaphrodite.
>QOTTHave you done something nice for yourself lately?I have!! I’ve been exercising and going for walks at night, I even got to see a fox run past me out on the main strip! Also all of the bunnies
is wishing i was intersex wrong
>>43955394Omg, an intersex, so cool! can u fuck w both ur penis and vagina?
>>43955405No, it’s actually very normal and you can become one! Would you like to know more about the alternative lifestyle? It’s very Satanik and Baphomet inspired!
If CAIS look like normal women why did Jamie Lee Curtis get clocked by a number of tabloids as a male-intersex-thing in the 80s/90s?
>>43955423Have u been down the transvestigstion rabbit hoel? Its very cool
>>43955405Meh, wishing something isn’t inherently bad, I think a lot of people wish they were as a form of validation when in reality the grass isn’t as green as many assume it is
>>43955430here's an ACTUAL CAISjust reads as a tranny to metranny voicetranny skulltranny bodyits a man without the masculinization, not a womanhttps://youtu.be/cYSmGjdVgM8
>>43955348thistroids tooagpoids three
>>43955500>troidsWhat?
>>43955500trans people are not more intersex than gays aresociety doesn't believe you can be intersex but closer to your birth sexi.e. society refuses to affirm innate feminine in malesthe idea of a male who is feminine but closer to male than female breaks people's brains due to brainwashing against such peopleremember troids generally believe 2 things1. they are more intersex than gays (trans women more fem than the most fem gay men)2. they are more the opposite sex than the same (trans women are more female than male) - if not entirely female, this is not necessarily as part of the ideology, so much as general directional belonging
>>43955526gincel what are you on about
>>43955563I think he’s a on a binge again, it’s a month of crashouts and schizo posting for gincel
>>43955573must be the warm weather reminding him he's underfucked so he takes it out on the troons
>>43955423Jamie Lee Curtis has never been confirmed to have any sort of sex development disorder. Why did she get clocked as a hermaphrodite in the 80s/90s? Because she is a masculine woman in the media, and the media used to remember we existed even if only as shockbait. Nowadays they would just accuse her of being transgender if they wanted to drag a "mannish" looking woman with short hair.
>>43955335Today? Not really. But I'm going to a Pride thing this weekend so that should be fun.>>43955394Oh yeah I guess I'm about to go lift weights so there's that! :)
doctor thinks i have thoracic outlet syndrome in addition to all my other bullshit now
>>43955783look how much wider his male body is than lindsay lohan's>Because she is a masculine womanor cuz they noticed its an intersex male, not a woman
>>43955865I DONT GIVE A FUCK. IT'S NEVER BEEN CONFIRMED. STFU RETARD.
>>43955876well yeah he's not gonna admit it you can just tell, like with honshis baby photos it just looks like a boy
>>43955890YOU ARE RETARDED AND GAY
>>43955835As the crackhead I used to bar hop with would say before he lifted (yes this after drinking till 3am)>it’s role call for swoll call, (hits pipe, does 3 reps and passes out in piss)Anyway enjoy lifting :)))
>>43955783>Nowadays they would just accuse her of being transgenderExtremely this.>>43955865I am 46,XY and my body is narrower than most women's, and WAY narrower than most men's. What do you make of that, Doctor?>>43955978This is why I will pee first instead of doing crack first :)
>>43956088I don’t think it’s a voluntary choice, when one smokes crack it seems pissed pants are soon to follow
do any of you have ovotestis?
>>43956209I mean I did creatine which I guess is also a white powder but I didn't cook it and smoke it.I've never tried crack and I'm not looking to start. Though our resident crackhead tells me I'm missing out.
About to go debug a thing I just bought. Here's hoping nobody pisses their pants.
Anyone doing anything exciting tonight?
>>43961605I actually got a shift for Saturday morning so I went to bed at 7pm lol I’ve been up since 2 finishing my core exercises and about to shower.
>>43956385I drew you an image of what my body looks like I don’t think I was able to make the folds look accurate since I’m drawing with a finger on a phone screen>this is a scientific diagram drawn while doing donkey kicks
>>43963655this says nothing about ovotestis.
>>43955335Most intersex individuals are still classified afab or amab, right? Also, I heard that some parents have their kids' extra genitalia removed without consent or anything. What is your take on that? Sorry for all the questions, but how do you feel when trans individuals use your DSD in an argument to further their own agenda and minimise your condition? It sort of always rubbed me the wrong way and I called them out whenever they did it.
>>43963846>Most intersex individuals are still classified afab or amab, right?Yes, most intersex people will be assigned male or female. It may be changed after birth, or the birth assignment may not match later development, etc. The way AFAB and AMAB are usually used in trans/queer circles as polite stand in for "biologically male/female" or to assume anatomy is not inclusive for intersex people. >Also, I heard that some parents have their kids' extra genitalia removed without consent or anything. What is your take on that?They're not "extra"; these are our natural body parts. Cosmetic surgeries done solely to normalize our bodies should not be done until we are old enough to give input on whether or not we want those things. Nonconsensual vaginoplasties are especially traumatizing (both to parents and to children), especially dilation. https://www.oiieurope.org/igm/>but how do you feel when trans individuals use your DSD in an argument to further their own agenda and minimise your condition?They are retarded and usually do a poor job representing us. They are a huge spreader misinformation and usually shut down anyone that tries to correct them / manipulatively frame any correction as somehow transphobic/accuse you of being a TERF. Pic related.
>>43963887Sorry for my poor phrasing, btw! I am a cisgender woman, so it is hard for me to comprehend due to not having it myself or experiencing it. "Nonconsensual vaginoplasties," that is awful. It sounds comparable to FGM in a way. Oh, I forgot to mention the whole Leonard Sax thing, so he says that 0.018% of people are intersex, not the higher stat. Since he doesn't classify Klinefelter's as intersex or Turner's, etc. What do you and your community think of it?
>>43963917>It sounds comparable to FGM in a way.If you read the link from the previous post ( https://www.oiieurope.org/igm/ ) it compares it to that. In some forms of intersex mutilation, the clitoris is totally removed because it is too large. Older surgeries did that more often. >Leonard Sax thing, so he says that 0.018% of people are intersex, not the higher stat. Since he doesn't classify Klinefelter's as intersex or Turner's, etc. What do you and your community think of it?There is no official statistic on how many people are intersex, and people argue about the meaning of intersex all the time. Klinefelter's is often erroneously thought to be the same as XXY too. Klinefelter's is specifically a condition of male development, that also includes XXY. Not all XXY is klinefetler's. So in the case of Klinefelter's, there is no female development. Similarly with Turner's, there is no male development and there is also not a male chromosome pattern. So these don't really violate the sex boundaries in ways people who have "some male and some female" sex traits do. I don't really relate to people who have something like Turner's, personally.
>>43963940I read that there is a link between it and neurodivergence or even EDS. Anyways, I hope it doesn't cause any chronic pain. I swear the body is so fragile. > The clitoris is totally removed because it is too largeOf course it is, so predictable. The world treats minor natural differences in anatomy as wrong. So weird to me. Women with or without DSDs can have larger parts of the vagina. Ugh, I'll bet that this isn't as much of a thing for men with DSDs. Do you guys get much good representation in media or books? I remember on AO3 you randomly see fics tagged as intersex, but they treat it as a quirky condition, like they do with EDS or neurodevelopmental disorders. Anyways, have a great day/night
>>43963846>Also, I heard that some parents have their kids' extra genitalia removed without consent or anything. What is your take on that?I’m disgusted by it desu it robs people of making an informed decision, while not my exact situation my family went so far as to plan reconstructive surgery for me to make it look more normal with a urologist and plastic surgeon, i was like 9 or 10 luckily poverty saved me lol so i only visited the dr twice and never went through with it >>43963807I know I was just bored
>>43963887>What we let you have the circle in the gay flag what more could you possibly want from us?Just wow.>>43965116>saved by povertyWell isn't that depressing :(
>>43965405I’ve done a lot with that little circle, and poverty was not completely terrible, poverty had its benefits then and there and uhmm like really not that much else >at least I didn’t turn to crime
>>43964013>I read that there is a link between it and neurodivergence or even EDS.There's overlap between certain gene areas related to enzymes that convert sex hormones. > The CYP21A2 gene sits right next to and partially overlaps with the TNXB gene on chromosome 6. The TNXB gene provides instructions for making Tenascin-X, a protein critical for collagen and connective tissue assembly.> Large gene deletions that wipe out both CYP21A2 and TNXB can cause a contiguous condition known as CAH-X syndrome. Patients with CAH-X syndrome have both CAH (a hormone disorder) and classic-like or hypermobile-type Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (joint hypermobility, chronic arthralgia, and cardiac defects).Immune and autoimmune problems are also common in intersex people (or really anyone metabolically compromised) because the steroid pathways that control sex hormones are also interlinked to corticosteroids, which regulate your immune and stress response. >Ugh, I'll bet that this isn't as much of a thing for men with DSDs.For "male" babies it is usually removal of any internal female parts (IE: mullerian structures, ovaries, ovotestis), removal/sealing of any vagina opening (often labelled as severe hypospadias/hypospadias repair surgery), and/or moving the urethra to the tip of the penis from a "wrong" position that may prevent standing to urinate. >Do you guys get much good representation in media or books?No, there is very little and a lot of it that does exist is actually from some person pretending to be intersex. Many interviews, documentaries, books "published by an intersex person". etc. are grifts non-intersex persons. https://www.academia.edu/2088031/Pretense_of_a_paradox_Factitious_intersex_conditions_on_the_internet
>>43964013>>43966724https://www.academia.edu/2088031/Pretense_of_a_paradox_Factitious_intersex_conditions_on_the_internetCASE 1>Ms. X was active on a publicly searchable Internet support forum (Alaniz, 2006) for intersex persons and on an Internet video site (Alaniz, 2008). From 2002 to present, she consistently claimed to carry multiple etiologically unrelated intersex diagnoses: (1) congenital virilizing adrenal hyperplasia (CVAH); (2) 45XO/46XY mosaicism; and (3) true hermaphroditism (i.e., both ovarian and testicular tissue in the gonads). The coincidence of three etiologically unrelated conditions, each with a prevalence of less than 1 in 10,000 (for a vanishingly remote combined probability of less than 1 in 1 trillion) strains credulity. Ms. X also claimed to have been born with four gonads (two descended testes and two intra abdominal ovaries), a previously unreported condition in a human being, and stated that she had served in the military as a man before becoming fully aware of her intersex condition. In spite of its implausibility, her history was related as factual in a lay press book (Callahan, 2009), a televised interview (Alaniz, 2009), and a televised documentary (Elisco & Coyote, 2009).
>>43964013>>43966724 (You)>>43966819 (You)CASE 2>At different times, Ms. Y, who was active in several online discussion groups and maintained several Web pages, claimed the mutually exclusive diagnoses of “ovarian failure” and partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (PAIS). She also claimed to have been born with a patent vaginal opening and a penis capable of intercourse and to have been raped vaginally in her early teens. These claims were made in person to the first author and repeated in talks to students and at meetings for sexual minorities (Paravichai, 2004; Boisseau, 2008, 2009). However, PAIS was contradicted by her appearance in real life, with male-pattern baldness and a complete absence of facial hair (i.e., evidence of hair removal by electrolysis). She concurrently related a history of penectomy and vaginoplasty by a surgeon specializing in sex reassignment. Her online biography claiming a diagnosis of PAIS was copied nearly verbatim from that of a different person with actual PAIS published online 7 years earlier (Boisseau, 2008; Graham, 2001).Ms. X:>was active on a publicly searchable Internet support forum for intersex persons and on an Internet video site>her history was related as factual in a lay press book, a televised interview,, and a televised documentary.Ms. Y:>These claims were made in person to the first author and repeated in talks to students and at meetings for sexual minorities
>>43966724Sorry for my mistake! I will absolutely read up on that.
>>43966996The ones claiming to be an XX/XY chimera are most often liars. Trans women also like to lie about having PAIS or Klinefelter's a lot too. Trans men and theyfabs like to lie about having CAH. They will sometimes lie about having PCOS as well, but sometimes those with a PCOS diagnosis will lie and say they have CAH instead or "probably have CAH instead of PCOS" because they feel CAH is more "traditionally intersex" and are uninformed about what it means to be intersex.
Someone asked me if I’m old enough to vote today.I’m literally in my 40s.
>>43955335i'm syndrome 48, i have tiny near non functional balls, i'm 28cm taller than my dad, i became a tranny very young, my life has always been over and i never had a chance
being trans is a form of neurological intersex
>>43969052No
Bump
>>43955335Since I'm anonymous here, I'll tell you the truth. I pretend to be intersex to justify why I transitioned. It helps me mentally copein other words, I think I'd go insane if I didn't think there was something wrong with me
>>43955440Never really got to know much about the intersex struggles. If it isn't too much to ask, can you enlighten me?
>>43955335They renamed PCOS and I’m annoyed and offended like autists when they got rid of aspergers
>>43955865Bro she’s just German
>>43955865>>43955423>Her mother was of Danish, German, and Scotch descent.Her sister is even broader than she is so she obviously doesn’t have any disorder unless you think they both have it.They are legit just how women of their ancestry are built.Lohan is Italian and Irish. Smaller women.
>>43972228For me it was growing up and being made to feel like always being the “other”. It was like other boys my age in school and my brothers went through a normal puberty when I didn’t, having doctors treat me and my body as something that was wrong so they wanted to fix it like I remember (and given this is now like 25+ years ago) but seeing the doctor and them using words and phrases like “don’t you want to be normal? This should be addressed if he wants to have sex in the future” shit like this, like how tf does a child respond to this? I felt like physically I would never be enough as a person to or for anyone, that I was an anomaly meant to pitied or made fun of for being different and that alone made me stay further in the closet on other things because I was different enough already without drawing more attention to myself.
>>43969497I find the way transgenders treat the intersex community so fucking selfish. They use them as a tool and minimise their experiences >>43972292>autists when they got rid of aspergersI was an og who was diagnosed with aspergers when I was four, the term got removed the next year. Imo asperger's and level three autism are just so different that they don't resemble each other much. They have their own unique difficulties and many struggles, I feel like being grouped with us would make it look like they COULD live normal lives and the media can downplay it. >>43973534Jeez, I can imagine how awful it would be in highschool. Kids can be very cruel
>>43974686I'm none of these anons, just for clarity.I find that anyone who brings up intersex people is either intersex themselves or is doing so disingenuously. I resent conservatives for regularly trying to pit me against trans people. I don't want to be anyone's pawn I just want to be left alone.Certainly there's behavior from "the community" I think is obnoxious but transphobes aren't exactly my allies.>aspergersMy mom thought I had that but nobody ever bothered to have me tested. I disagree for what that's worth but obviously I'm not qualified to diagnose myself.Somehow everyone I now is some kind of neurodivergent though.
>>43974686>Jeez, I can imagine how awful it would be in highschool. Kids can be very cruelI almost dropped out because of harassment, I’m lucky we had a serious trade school program at another facility otherwise I don’t think I’d go past like 9th grade
Bump taking a post work nap
I'm gonna go out to one or more malls. Hope everyone's having a good Sunday!
>>43979841I am I just woke up here’s a fun license plate I saw recently
>>43972212I tell people the same thing because it's easier to explain my mental illness. I think we're transgender is a serious mental illness.
>>43979927OMG that's crazy.
