How do you know if you have GD, AGP, or have just been brain broken by reading too much trans spaces into thinking that Estrogen is a magic happy pill that will make you "find yourself" after you start taking it?
GD is AGP.
>>43970299take some and see if it makes you feel better
>>43970325I don't want to make myself infertile and start growing bitch tits unless I am damn sure it'll make me happy
>>43970337Won't make you infertile if you stop before 6 monthstits will need surgical intervention thoBut just think about if you want to physically look like a girl and if so, try it
>>43970337It won't make you happy unless you pass, and you likely won't pass. A key factor in GD/AGP is that it escalates.
>>43970337Then don't take anything. Just imagine what you want to be and dream it up your mind
>>43970347>>43970351I do physically, at least for sex I want to get fucked like a girl. But I am also a fucking disgusting old man so I will not look like one, I'll just look like a gross goblin.
>>43970360That's what I've been doing for 10 years. But are my dream informed by this idea of "I found myself as a girl tee hee"?
>>43970532No you did not. not a case of one in all the transgender woman alive who started 17 and manmode like a stupid idiot
>>43970550I didn't what?
>>43970580You're an ordinary late transitioner with AGP who thinks he wants to be a woman but he'd rather dress like a man anyway so, what is that?
>>43970596>agp calling another agp an agp
>>43970613agp=manmoder
>>43970299if you "have AGP" you should take your HRT, retardhttps://www.avitale.com/essays-details/?name=the-gender-variant-phenomenon--a-developmental-review-5
>>43970596I don't know if I want to be a woman or if I think being a woman will make me happy
>>43970623All manmoders are AGPs, but not all AGPs are manmoders.
>>43970630It won't because you're not really into guys
>>43970648I've hit on guys and tried to suck their dick before. It never went beyond that but that's further than I've ever gotten with women. But you are right, I have terrible terrible meta-attraction and MEF
>twinks all troon out to escape twinkdeath>late transitioners are agpwhich is it?
>>43970710gaygpbeing androphilic necessary but not sufficient for being hsts
>>43970726im find with that, gaygp seems more fun than being hsts thoughbeit
>>43970739I mean, yeah? I don't disagree. True HSTS transition as a life hack, not out of any innate desire to be a woman. It's a painful and expensive life hack but the alternative is worse.
>>43970299>reading too much trans spaces into thinking that Estrogen is a magic happy pill that will make you "find yourself" after you start taking itthis happened to me. spoiler alert: it did not work
>>43970670>and MEFnta but if you were MEF you'd be at least hrt repping.btw meta-attraction can easily be turned into true love for men. all it takes is practice, unironically.
>>43970879What's your story, friend?>>43970893I have MEF I just don't pursue it at all or anything sexual as myself.> meta-attraction can easily be turned into true love for menHow so?
what the hell is a HSTS and a MEF?
>>43970960>How so?Sex with men. It's really not super complicated.The key is to find at least a semi-stable bf. Random hook-ups won't "cure" meta-attraction and are not emotionally fulfilling either.When I first had sex with my first bf i thought this was a mistake. But still decided to give it a few more tries. By the 10th attempt I was yearning to fall asleep in his arms. By the 50th attempt all I could think of was how to be more submissive to him, lol.
>>43970960I’ve just struggled with extreme self hate all my life kinda wished I were a woman but mostly bc I wish I were cute and pretty. Never really related to queer ppl but spent a lot of time looking at trans stuff online bc bored and lonely and eventually I had a kind of mental breakdown and took e and after that I quickly realized I’m just an extraordinarily retarded cis dude
AGP and GD are not mutually exclusive. The only mutually exclusive conditions were GID and transvestic paraphilia. In the past, GD used to be Gender Identity Disorder and have a spectrum based on the age when it first appeared and other factors - GID/Childhood transsexualism, GID/Adolescent and Adult, and GID/Not Otherwise Specified. tl;dr, if you simply crossdress fetishistically and feel bad about your doing so, you have transvestic paraphilia disorder, and the treatment for it is to come to an acceptance of your cross-dressing ways (as well as to come to a reconciliation with anyone you might get off to harming in the process, if applicable). If you have *any other* issues, such as feeling bad about not passing when in "boy mode", then you have gender dysphoria. GD and Transvestism can coexist but there are people with Transvestic Paraphilia and clinically-insignificant levels of GD. That's the AGP you're worried about being. However, it conflicts with the literature. Transvestic disorder has two subtypes, those being Autogynephilia and Fetishism. However, those with fetishism tend to focus on the clothes and material and are less likely to have clinically significant levels of GD. those with AGP focus on the idea of themselves as a woman and are more likely to have clinically significant levels of GD. F65.1 Transvestic Disorder is *not* a condition affecting all crossdressers, merely those who specifically experience difficulty with functioning in day-to-day life due to their fetish, such as spending time masturbating instead of doing anything productive, or having it somehow interfere with their interpersonal relationships in ways that can be described as sexually thrilling to you.IF the problems caused by your disruptive transvestic Fetish are serious enough to warrant a diagnosis, AND the problems caused by your Gender Dysphoria are NOT severe enough to warrant a dx, THEN you are a non-dysphoric AGP. I hope that spells it out for you, anon.
>>43971031That sounds really nice but how do you make the jump into it?>>43971042See that's what I'm afraid of lmao
>>43971068GD in males is always AGP. All of it. Whether it's anatomic, behavioral, interpersonal, or some other type of AGP.
>>43971068That certainly does. What should I do about it though? And could it be caused by being a coomer browsing too many forums?
>>43971290I think it's good to make a distinction because there are males who are more or less disruptive, and the category of AGP I described tend to be more disruptive. It's a spectrum, even if the root causes are the same. >>43971304>what should I do about itWell do you qualify for GD or are you a disruptive coomer who can't function in day to day life without masturbating? Personally if you're the former I think it would be best if you discreetly transitioned and presented as female once you started to fail as male, if you're the latter you should probably go see a sexual behavior counselor, I despise such individuals and think they should be lined up and shot so I can't really give you an objective opinion.
>>43971409>once you started to fail as maleThat's optimistic.
>>43971437Males have privilege, so it's actually a more gatekept status position than you realize. "Boys" have less power in society than "Men", for instance.
>>43971409I probably don't have GD, just AGP especially when fapping so it's likely just a coomer thing. But my entire point is trying to figure out how I actually tell these things apart.
>>43971068this helped me too, ty. i was actually just looking into this earlier this evening. do you know the best way to transition from diy to medical care? eventually you have to go to a doctor and disclose. do you go from diy to informed consent or do you get a gd diagnosis?
>>43971536Also I wouldn't say I'm "disruptive". My life is trash but for reasons unrelated to all of this.
>>43971290how do I know if I have GD or body dysmorphia then?
>>43971545Planned Parenthood? There's a thread on this board too, if you can't access that resource. They would know more about that sort of thing than me. But you should probably go to a Trans Specialist.>>43971575Then you qualify for neither diagnosis. But you should probably castrate yourself anyway, so that your masculine rape drive doesn't cause you to hurt anyone.>>43971586There's a section in the DSM on this too, actually. It depends on if your body dysmorphic feelings pertain to your gender - if they do, you could have BDD (or BIID) coexisting with your gender dysphoria, or just a particularly dysmorphic form of dysphoria. If they are random or they pertain to not being masculine enough as a male, etc., then you're a non dysphoric BDD haver. You should be careful though, as feeling like your characteristics, especially mental or behavioral, make you female (rather than not-man-enough or just bad in general) in some capacity is a gender dysphoria symptom.
>>43971746>But you should probably castrate yourself anyway, so that your masculine rape drive doesn't cause you to hurt anyone.Bro I don't even want to top, much less rape anyone.
>>43971786That's what you say, but actions speak louder than words. There's no certainty unless you cut your dick off, "Bro".
>>43971831My actions which are never having sex?
>>43971839There is an old saying. How does it go again? On the internet, nobody knows you're the Dog.
>>43971872I don't know that one unfortunately. All I'm really saying is that I feel like shit, I have a feeling that maybe HRT would help me but I don't know why and I'm heavily resistant to it.
>>43971290imo we talk too much about autogynephilia and not enough about autoandrophobia
>>43971933Then you think you have gender dysphoria, but you lack the self-confidence to decide one way or the other. What you can do in that case is find a therapist specializing in Trans Issues and tell them your story. You can find a therapist who's "in-network" for you using an online search engine.Of course this has some problems, you might not afford a therapist or have insurance, it is also more time consuming than reading the DSM criteria for yourself and making a decision based on that. But if you need someone authoritative to tell you what you are then that's what you do, and that is the cost of that sense of authority. If you want *me*, a random woman, to tell you what to do, then I will be honest about what I want of you and say you should discreetly feminize without invading female spaces, and then have yourself castrated if you have the conviction to do so.
>>43971990>you should discreetly feminize without invading female spaces, and then have yourself castrated if you have the conviction to do so.You're saying this person should humiliate themselves and make a fool of them's house can't even use the bathroom facilities according to you? you ugly ole fish!
If you're aware that this is a possibility you're probably fine. It's like antipsychotics or antidepressants or therapy; just a groundwork for future development. Your gender shouldn't be your whole life.
>>43972021I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
>>43971990Someone authoritative would be nice, though you seem like you're very familiar with the literature. I'd rather not castrate though, not as a first or second measure anyway
>>43970299artist for op pic is mossacannibalis
>>43972117Thanks, I have a special interest. There's limits to what I can seriously recommend, but I posted the criteria for gender dysphoria in adults earlier. A large majority of adults who undergo hrt after being diagnosed with those criteria experience mood improvements in a variety of ways. It's probably more complicated than that, though, due to the effects hrt will have on your metabolism and whatnot.>I don't want to castrate myselfIs the ability to some day rape a woman (something you swear you will never do anyways) seriously more important than your happiness, or are you just a terminally indecisive person? I think I know the answer, you have depression, and decisions are difficult for you to think about. Unfortunately there are decisions you can only make for yourself. Nobody else can make this decision for you.
>>43972316Why is it rape rape rape with you? I would want to have my own kids someday yes, regardless of which route I go. I need a penis for that.And yes, I am terminally indecisive, depressed, all that shit. I don't know how to know what I want
>>43971952Autoandrophobia is just another word for autogynephilic gender dysphoria.
>>43972522i don't think that's really true? i have a boymoder friend whose dysphoria is extremely centered around looking specifically like a woman, like the kind that's popular on instagram or whatever, and she's got very low tolerance for just looking androgynouswhereas my dysphoria is specifically around disliking the effects of testosterone and i'm basically accepting boobs as a side effect because i'm in a liberal area where i can blend in as a clocky mtfi think i'd be just as trans if i'd been born as a cis woman? or i'd be like a theyfab fujoshi or something
>>43972416>I need a penis for thatIf you want to raise children, you don't need a penis and there will be cloning technology allowing 2 women to have children that are their own genetic offspring some day anyway. At least in any sort of future worth believing in that is.Pregnancy is rape, it is objectively destructive for a woman's body in ways she will never recover from. Women are symbolically and materially raped on a constant basis, and it is men doing it until they are castrated. That is why castration is necessary.
>>43972672Ya no I'm sorry but that's kind of fucking insane, and totally abuses the the strength of the word rape
>>43971746>>43971068>such as spending time masturbating instead of doing anything productive, or having it somehow interfere with their interpersonal relationships in ways that can be described as sexually thrilling to you.Hahaha. I could just picture him, a big fat guy in the basement, playing with his Dingle
>>43970337>I don't want to make myself infertile and start growing bitch tits unless I am damn sure it'll make me happyYou could easily take HRT for a while, if you panic once the tits start to come in just stop and you're back to start. Mind you that most don't quit
Without fail the #1 indicator of where you lie on the trans scale is age of onset. I've been on this board and repgen since 2016 and this is the only universal constant. The later you "realized" or even the later you had symptoms show up the less trans you are on the scale. It looks like this. >Trutranny- - - AGP - - - Autist For example my symptoms started at 19 which would land me probably a notch after AGP. Now that's not to say you won't have problems on that end of the scale, but that the solution (probably) isn't transition.
>>43973475AGP nonsense. AGP can begin as early as age 4.
>>43973501This tbhon, I transitioned "early" at 18 over a decade ago even though I'm AGP, I just was a loser with internet access and a lot of time for self-discovery
>>43972783It really is that bad though. Think about it this way: if you can imagine the most bad thing to happen to something in terms of their suffering, that thing is being raped. The odds of you raping a woman are probably more than 10%, they might even be 20%. If a woman's life was impacted only 20% by the outcome of you raping them, her life would still be significantly worse. So there you have it.
>>43972783Foids eventually describe everything they dislike as rape.
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>>43971786you don't need to be a top in order to rapebottoms are rapier on average desu. theyre super entitled and act like they can do no wrong, meanwhile the most abusive people ive ever met have all been bottoms.
>>43973475>>43973501i have agp memories from 4 but it was just something that happened, it wasnt distressing. it wasnt until puberty that life became a hellish nightmare because of GD and masculinization. i was smart enough to ana mode so that i wasnt raped too bad by puberty though.
if I had deeply intense fantasies of transformation into like, animals and pokemon and shit since I was around eight years old, and started masturbating to feminization/gender transformation erotica at 12, what do I count as?I'm a 30 y/o depressed piece of shit btw
>>43975873Standard case of AGP.
>>43975915what should i doplease help me
>>43975948I do nothing. I fap it away.
>>43975948transition into pokemon surelyidk troon out if you want to
>>43975954it doesn't go away i feel like shit 24/7
>>43975961i don't know what i want i can't even describe my emotions well enough
>>43975987I was depressed agp too and just tried hrt, never quit sinceidk if others should do that but I didn't feel like I had much to lose either
>>43975967So? Why would it go away?
>>43976012you just said you fap it awaymasturbation and the moments afterward just intensify the sadness>>43976007 when did you start
>>43976037Yes, it's my sexuality, so I just get an orgasm and move on.
>>43976037when i was 20im 31 lol
>>43976279did it help, all things considered?
>>43978740Definitely, don't think I'd be alive otherwiseTook a long time to get here though but honestly struggling more with audhd than being trans these days
>>43973475What would you say about someone who's been bisexual since they were like 12 but only started developing AGP when they were in their mid 20s?
>>43976063 Don't you feel sad afterwords?
>>43975873You're gender dysphoric, and a repressor. Maybe you repressed because your desired gender is something other than male or female.. I'm the same way, I used to fantasize about that too, but I transitioned 6 or 7 years ago at this point.
>>43970299shes me
>>43981427ew wtf
>>43978791heh, fair enough.i got on E at 19 (AAs at 17) to curb my immense libido. it helped with what i wanted (so i stayed on it, i'm 27 now) but it also killed my attraction to women and heavily augmented my attraction to men.and now i kinda want to "girlmode" a lot for my bf of 5 years (never had such thoughts prior to last year, now it's an urge).
