>HSTS bad>AGP bad>MEF badWhy cant we all get along.... it makes me sad.....
>>43971325Because the others are women who look like men and I'm a man who looks like a woman.t. HSTS
>>43971325>Why cant we all get alongbc i dont look like any of those and it makes me sick with envy. i want to die
Because not all of you are created equal MEFs are the cutest usually and most fuckable by far, for example
>>43971364HSTS clocky loud hookerAGP domineering rapehonMEF shy twinkhon
Is it possible to be HSTS who is a bit MEFy as a coping mechanism? Thats what I kinda feel like.
>>43971325Since when is MEF a distinct subtype?
>>43971387I feel like they're like elemental types and you can definitely be a hybrid subspecies. I think there ought to be a fourth kind but I can't think of it.
>>43971395AGP gets off on being feminine, MEF gets off on being emasculated, they're distinct even if its subtle imo
>>43971387No.>>43971395Since AGPs wised up to the AGP label being radioactive and decided to create a different label for themselves.
>>43971387If you were really hsts, you would have all gay male friends who were feminine before you transitioned. Girlfriends are always asexual for you.
>>43971395androphilic trutrannies wanting to feel special
>>43971422if you were really hsts you would have female friends before you transitioned
>>43971422I’ve never dated a woman nor had any interest in women. I have been into guys as long as I can remember. But I kinda like to be bullied by guys for being a faggot.
>>43971422>>43971436If you were really HSTS then you wouldn't post AGP nonsense about what is or isn't "trutrans" relabeled as what supposedly is or isn't HSTS.
>>43971412That just sounds like extreme meta attraction but idk.>>43971419I'd rather call myself AGP than a MEF tbhdesu.
>>43971465Its the difference between "wanting to be a woman" and "not wanting to be a man" imo. I would put hrtwinks/cis men on hrt/etc on some level of MEF. >>43971379 is right that they tend to be much more demure.
>>43971451tvre, but why should I care?
>>43971473>Its the difference between "wanting to be a woman" and "not wanting to be a man" imoThose are both autoheterosexuality in males. Autogynephilia and autoandrophobia, respectively. Same underlying phenomenon.Any MTF who supposedly has an inner female gender identity or feeling of being a woman inside is autoheterosexual. It's part of the dissociation that ensues from being forced to be the wrong sex for their sexual orientation.
>>43971412>>43971465agp is meta-attraction / erotic target location error mef is erotic humiliation / degradationin context of trans women, agp is usually an expression of repressed gender dysphoria through gynephilic sexuality, while mef is usually an expression of repressed gender dysphoria through fetishizing punishment for breaking male social norms
where do HRTwinks fall on this? I just want to be soft and demure but don't get anything from presenting feminine actively (makeup, dresses, pronouns, etc) im just trying to be a cute eunuch. No humiliation or crossdressing fixation.
>>43971543Autoandrophobia.
>>43971473I can relate with both sentiments of "wanting to be a woman" and "not wanting to be a man", probably more towards the AGP side tho.
>>43971436I had only female friends, until I came out gay in highschool, then I had gay male friends.
>>43971566How do you really know your AGP. Did you ever find women's body sexually attractive?
>>43971567>>43971436>>43971422>>43971387love to see fake hussies fighting over which one is the real hussy
>>43971325Because Mef, agp and hsts will always be inferior to aapagpagamp
>>43971594having a hussyfit
>>43971422All my friends were cisf. I had never met another feminine gay male before trooning.
g-guys i said the fighting makes me sad.,,,
>>43971612>I deliberately did all the hussy stereotypes, that makes me a hussy, right???
>>43971594I know I am hsts because I regret it!
>>43971612Then all I can say is you're really different than me. All my friends were gay. I came out gay and lived as a gay boy for over 5 years before I transitioned.
>>43971642HSTS don't regret transitioning.AGPs often regret transitioning.
>>43971651Hey, I was a gay boy. Not very popular with the handsome guys and I thought I could do better if I transitioned.
>>43971661If you regret transitioning, then presumably you didn't do better by transitioning, so you're not HSTS.
>>43971648There werent any openly gay people when I went to high school and the only one I met when I went to college I really didnt get along with at all.>>43971629Im currently detransitioning actually. I dont want to have any sexuality at all. I dont want to be a woman.
>>43971578Trust me I'm pretty sure I'm AGP, I fit Blanchard's description of analloerotic autogynephilia pretty well, aside from never caring about crossdressing. But to answer your question yes.
>>43971651
>>43971616Yeah it's kinda crazyHsts flag users seem to post the most which would track with being hsts that transitioned from catty gay menagp not really posting muchmef not at all, so really it kinda is getting along because its all hsts calling each other agp instead of fighting' with agp users
>>43971743>mef not at allThey should really add mef, and manmoder flags.
>>43971543yeah imo there needs to be a distinction between "emasculation" the way men see it pejoratively and "emasculation" as something more like idk "domestication"
>>43971325 (OP)Because the others are women who look like gay men and I'm a woman who looks like a woman.t. AGP
>>43971799This, I just want to be a de-testosteronized gentle boywife
>>43971325Agps to obsessed with being treated as a cis woman by all facets of society. Hsts too obsessed with looking like some dress up game character from 2006 Mefs just right accept that they aren't cis but usually soul pass. Don't have to wear 10 pounds of makeup and you can actually date them and bring them around your family without looking like a freak. T. Coping 25 year old mef with a body count of 55
>>43972162Also mefs are most likely to connect with divine beings.
>>43972215elaborate
>>43971684I can trust you now can you trust me? I came out gay when I was 12 or 13 how you define coming out. Girls in my school already knew I was homosexual. I transitioned partly because I thought it would improve liking of myself, but it didn't. This is my truth!
>>43971325blanchard BADAGP GOOD
>>43972215What are mefs?
>>43972262But Blanchard is AGP
>>43971325sauce of op pic?
>>43972282Masochistic emasculation fetish
>>43972424an old drawthread
>>43971401AGAMP
>>43971684>analloeroticfunctionally or preferentially?
>>43972969Idk I've just never been attracted to other people at least not in a way that's normal. Like instead of thinking "damn that person is hot I want to have sex" I think "I wish I could look like that". The thought of sex in general especially with my body being the way it is disgusts me.
>>43972162Hahahaha and I thought I was a slut wow
>>43973096huh. all these catagories are so confusing to me cause idk i guess i feel like i just hav ea bit of all of it at diferent sitaution?
>homosexuals who transition to expand their dating pool>men who get sexual gratification at the thought of being a woman>men who have a fetish for being emasculated.How many on this board actually fit these criteria?
>>43973131I wouldn't take them too seriously tbhon. I still believe that Blanchard's typology is ultimately the most accurate explanation for why MtFs transition but ultimately nothing is black and white and people's individual experiences are going to be complex.
>>43973213Blanchard's typology has been mischaracterized for decades by AGPs (including gayGPs) who think sleeping with men makes them HSTS.
>>43973132>>homosexuals who transition to expand their dating poolWrong. HSTS is the cohort of males who are too incorrigibly effeminate even to make it as gay men.
>>43971651It's the opposite because too many gay twinks end up trooning out then regretting it later, wishing they had just stayed gay men. It's the AGPs that are ironically the happiest because they derive continued satisfaction through their fetish.
>>43973274Gay twinks who detransition are AGP.HSTS are the ones who couldn't even man up enough to be twinks.
>>43973241I am totally hsts
where can i meet specifically HSTSs and not agp nerds?
>>43973300Not here.>>43973291You're as HSTS as Blaire White is.
and what about the straight twinks?
>>43973306I don't know her history well enough to comment
I am totally agp
>>43973213>the most accurate explanation for why MtFs transitioni guess agp is the closest for why . but it fits less after ?
>>43973327There is absolutely nothing wrong with being AGP. It's an immutable characteristic like being black or gay.
I still struggle with all the acronyms. Far too many.
>>43971350Kys
>>43973309it's the worst existence for most.troon out and you're a rapey transbian. don't troon out and you're simply not good enough for the vast majority of women of any age.i got really lucky, lol.
>>43971422I hated fags so much that it was leading reason of why I transitioned. I've been called a fag since I was 10 and I hated it.
>>43973945Stupid statementI'd rather be a gynephilic twink than a gynephilic ugly manIf you troon nobody gaf cause you're pretty if you don't it's still better cause at least you fulfill a niche for bicurious women
>>43971379This MEF revisionism is hilarious, they look identical to rapehons on the outside (at the very least).
>>43974326every troon is a gorilla headed faggot. a man by any other name is still a dude.
>>43971325I'll take all three tyvmt. coomer
>>43971325waow who drew this
>>43974326I'm here for it though as a SEFiroth
>>43972162oh wow you made up the most bs favourable idea of what you are how is that mef and mefs lick toilets
>>43973309what about strategic twinkism
>>43972247>improve liking of myselfjeep
>>43971325>>43972424>>43972528do you have a link to the thread, or the name of the artist?
>>43975733We love SEF guys. There aren’t enough of you! I need a SEF guy to blackmail me into being his and make sure I can’t ever leave or detrans.
>>43971412>AGP gets off on being feminine, MEF gets off on being emasculatedWhats the difference? How do I know which one I am?
>>43971674If you're gay, you know you're gay at puberty. If you have fantasies about women's bodies, you're straight
>>43974271You have extreme homophobia!
>>43977361What if I have fantasies about turning women's bodies into mens bodies?
>>43977382idk, it's not a gay fantasy
>>43977378I'm sorry I was born in a conservative country and family. The first time I saw the same sex couples was abroad.
>>43971325>MEFshouldnt it be FEF? Female embodiment fantasy? like the fetish is female embodiment, wouldnt MEF mean they fantasize about being in a male body?
>>43977529You still have extreme homophobia..You would rather sacrifice your body, than admit you like men, attracted them as another man.
>>43977582MEF stands for masochistic emasculation fetishism, frankly I doubt its real beyond being just the cluster of AGP and masochism, but people identify with it and if that makes them happy, so be it.
>>43977625mef is an expression of agp
>>43977582>>43977625this is why agamp is a better term
>>43977609yeah but I couldnt image myself as guy with another guy. Besides if you're a passoid, its life on easy mode.
>>43977699>I couldnt image myself as guy with another guyThat's because you're only meta-attracted to men.
>>43977699Which is a typical homophobic reaction. You couldn't be your natural body, and normal gay sexuality. you had to castrate yourself to make yourself tolerable to yourself. same with me. I'm gay and transgender, hsts
>>43977709Explain this? It's like you're saying he's not really gay?
>>43977747I don't think I can. Autosexuals like yourself simply cannot conceive of an outward-focused sexuality.
>>43977907Like myself? You don't even know me and why would you think I have AGP?
>>43978013You just told us all that you're meta-attracted to men. Androphilic males have no difficulty imagining themselves as men with other men.
>>43977907OK, I'm not anon>yeah but I couldnt image myself as guy with another guy. Besides if you're a passoid, its life on easy mode.I came out gay long before I transitioned.
>>43978035ntaI am definitely attracted to masculinity.
>>43978038So what? Some AGPs gaycope before transitioning.
>>43977907Explain to the class anona.
>>43974293Yes, anon. But bicurious women and more generally women who like feminized men are very VERY rare.
>>43978050No they don't! Most trans women are attracted solely to women's bodies. They never come out gay I came out gay and I should have stayed gay but I thought it was ugly as a boy
>>43977625idk i think its totally different and about humiliation shame or embarrassment? thats how they always seem to me? im p sure im agp and i like masochism, but like pain and stuff, not any of the things they talk about at all, no degradation. and emasculation is hot but like in a good-good way not like a bad or ashamed "good" way, more like feminine affirmation? masochism has always been separate from that for me but it seems more common to have them together?? i find that very strange and unexpected. i also like sadism but like not for actually hurting people for real just the power dynamics and how it gets them off?could be wrong tho>>>43977688 >agampi thought that was like agp but for being a hermaphrodite
>>43978064An attractive man is attractive to me regardless of whether I'm a man or a woman.If he and I are having sex and I'm enjoying it then it doesn't matter whether I'm a man or a woman during it.If he's cuddling me afterward and I feel safe and protected then it doesn't matter whether I'm a man or a woman during it.
>>43978109LOL. You just can't stop with the AGP tells. "I was ugly as a boy" is something that some AGPs say to try to justify their transitions.
>>43978135You don't know me using my boyfriend's phone it's too big for my hands
>>43978165Pathetic and desperate. You have small hands? So what. Donald Trump has small hands.
>>43978121Sure, but why does it matter why one enjoys it?
>>43978135HSTS justify their transition because in a modern society there are no hsts, unless they're stupid niggers and Latinos
>>43978176>donny tiny handskek. but why do you care if they are trying to fit an archetype. if they like it let them?
>>43978176I have women's size hands, this phone is meant for man's size hands, one of the reasons I transition was cuz I wasn't big enough to be a man
>>43978205>I transitioned because I had small handsDo you even hear yourself?>This phone is meant for man's size handsBuy a smaller phone?
>>43978176I'm so feminine and naturally like a girl even when I was 2 years old everyone thought I was a girl. I've always been such a girly girl. I could never make it as a man! If some guy choose me, I just back down I'm a cowardly around men. I need a big tough boyfriend to protect me
>>43978234This is my boyfriend's phone. Mine's very small. When I was in 8th grade all the tough boys bullied me and taught me I should be a girl
>>43978271>>43978287jeepslop
>>43978234When I was in 8th grade the only kids that I noticed at school were the tough boys. All the girls knew I was homosexual. Came out gay but I always wanted to be a girl. I had no problem gay sex didn't know I'm touching my penis none of that I just wanted to protected and attracted to masculine men
i transitioned because the iphones were too big :(( if only they made i phone for fragile hands like mine or perhaps some kind of motorola cell phone it would've been better :(((((
>>43978328Literally who cares. You already showed your whole ass earlier.
>>43978347No but really why do modern phones have to be sized like mini tablets.
>>43978350I don't post any pictures myself, so you're lying right here I Am Naturally very feminine for a male and I probably am just a gay boy but I thought I was too much like a girl to measure up to a man's sex role. Now I have no choice but delivers a woman that I have tits and pussy
>>43978376Easier to fit the internal components into a larger form factor. Including the battery. Especially the battery. People wanted powerful phones with long battery life. Physics says something has to give.
>>43978388>too much like a girl to measure up to a man's sex role.>Now I have no choice but delivers a woman that I have tits and pussySorry, but I am AGP and this is very AGP coded.
>>43978376I have to rest the phone on my belly to this too heavy for my hands
>>43978388You didn't recognize "show [one's] whole ass" as an expression and instead assumed it was meant literally. That's male-type autism which indicates AGP in trannies.
>>43978392I'd rather they made smaller but thicker phones instead, more durability that way too.
>>43978427True. I'm not sure why they don't. It might be that they want to avoid associations with '90s brick phones.
>>43978420I'm not saying I'm not male I'm saying I'm a homosexual male I love men's bodies and I love being treated like a woman by a man. If I can't have that I don't want anything. Not interested in girls at all
>>43978350I don't even really know what AGP is other than a fantasy about wanting to look like a woman if that's all he is I understand it if I think it's stupid because why would you want to look like a funny little ugly person when you could look like a handsome masculine man?What if you can't look like I have some guy? What do you do then? What do you realize that all he's really handsome and like these funny Little Women bodies? You ever thought maybe you could be one and then get a handsome looking guy? This is my reason for transitioning
>>43978402>>43978420It's pointless arguing with HSTS fakers. They will never understand an HSTS's ideal relationship is approximately yaoi: them as the uke, their boyfriend as the seme.
>>43978475I cannot parse most of what you wrote.>what AGP is other than a fantasy about wanting to look like a woman AGP is male autoheterosexuality. An AGP is attracted to the female form, but his attraction target is locked on himself. He cannot change it. He wants to be in a relationship with himself as a woman, but he cannot while he is visibly male, and that causes frustration which is the gender dysphoria so many trans women talk about. For some simply reducing signs of maleness is enough to make the frustration manageable. For others they need to look female for their sexual orientation to be satisfied.
>>43978490>HSTS's ideal relationship is approximately yaoi: them as the uke, their boyfriend as the seme.real>>43978388>Now I have no choice but delivers a woman that I have tits and pussybased mefy gal
>>43978532Yeah well you didn't say that earlier so it doesn't count that you're glomming on to it now.
>>43978517Truth nuke.>>43978532The "no choice" is common AGP trope to evade shame from wanting it.
>>43978532I don't know what any of those Japanese words mean and I don't care. I came on this board because I was interested in the transgender issues got the Japanese anie
>>43971325I just found out what MEF is. I think I can relate to it. But isn't Blanchart's study considered unscientific? Or am I getting something wrong?
>>43978517My point is to have to be sexy attracted to women to be ATP if I'm wrong then I could be ATP because I don't understand it I do understand myself to be homosexual and came out day before I even knew a transgender meant. Our transition partly because I felt ignored by the handsome guys that was attracted to.
>>43978110>emasculation is hot but like in a good-good way not like a bad or ashamed "good" way, more like feminine affirmation?this is me. I dont feel ashamed of my agp side. I dont feel humiliated when I am in panties and servicing another man. I am proud of my skills and charms and ability to please and proud that im man enough to admit and explore my feminine side. I find it empowering not humiliating....I dont feed to be forced rather nurtured, guided and encouraged.
>>43978573>But isn't Blanchart's study considered unscientific?So is astrology but people like putting themselves into little boxes
>>43978517Then what is wrong with being this way? Why do people hate it to the point it as a derogatory term?
>>43978556HSTS essentially want a relational role that is female-coded. They don't want it because it's female-coded. They want it because it's the way they're neurologically wired. They cannot "man up." If they can access that relational role as men, then they don't transition.They don't need to be women. They need to be treated the way women are typically treated.
>>43978573MEF isn't from Blanchard's study.
>>43978594In other words, is this literally MBTI for tttt?
>>43978622yes
>>43978596I don't know why people hate it. Hating someone for their sexual orientation is stupid. It's an immutable characteristic like skin color or handedness.Some autoheterosexuals behave inappropriately. The problem is the behavior, not the underlying autoheterosexuality. They need to be taught how to manage it, not to be shamed for it.Unfortunately people saw the "-philia" suffix in the word autogynephilia, likened it to the word "paraphilia," and proclaimed AGP a sexual fetish.
>>43978603Wait. I am AGP and this is kinda what motivates me. I am submissive, I want to be object of someone's desire and respond to their desire, I don't want to penetrate, pursue or dominate. If I could have all that satisfied as a man, I would be happy, but submissive straight man just doesn't work. Therefore I wish to be female.
>>43978651Well, what makes you view yourself as AGP?
>>43978376my new jeans have small pockets even tho they are moid jeans so ive been putting my fuckhuge phone in my back pocket like a girl. i miss my old ass tiny phone, i still have it and can play music but it was on like android 4.0 and couldnt even run firefox anymore. it was still smart but it was like all indestructible plastic even the screen and only like 4x3 inches
>>43978651My ideal self would be being at 6 ft plus tall masculine looking guy through is someone intimidating and be gay. I guess you really envy me for wanting to be the way I want to be
>>43978679I am strongly and obsessively attracted to female body and gendered presentation.
>>43978696Now you're doing the "I'm actually autoandrophilic" thing. Just like Contra did. Contra is AGP.
>>43978639There has to be something wrong with them. It seems obvious to me they are much more close to being a true transgender than someone who could have been content being gay if they looked more handsome as a gay man. All my psychosexual imagery is all male I like male bodies I like male action I like male things. I don't have any interest in females
>>43978727And do you want to possess those things for yourself? To have your body be female and adopt female gendered presentation for it?
>>43978733You don't seem to understand cuz you're a thick headed or you're too smart to understand my simple logic. Can you believe this? In transgender is something that's complex. You know homosexual is something most of us know when we go through puberty. I am a homosexual male why is it so hard for you to contend with this?
>>43978745Of course, that's why consider myself AGP. It's literally inverted attraction to women. Becoming what I lust for and love. But I think the end goal is to resolve the mismatch between what I want sexually and what I am.
>>43978739That's the irony at the center of it. AGP is far closer to what most people think of as "trutrans" than HSTS is, yet HSTS is viewed as "the good one."AGP is feeling like a girl and/or wanting to be female since age 3. AGP is hating your own body to the point of dissociation and substance abuse to try to get away from it. HSTS is failing with gay men and deciding to try to land a straight man instead.
>>43978552>The "no choice" is common AGP trope to evade shame from wanting it.Oh I agree. I'm a different nona. I leaned into MEF precisely because i don't have any shame. Tho by this board's standards I'm "fake" because I am a fetishist. Oh no, anyway.>>43978547My appologies, I forgot to add nta. I'm a different tranny.>>43978603nta but you're describing MEF more than hsts.Most MEFs are hsts but not all. And nobody knows for sure whether most hsts are mef.
>>43978776It's possible to have both AGP motivations and HSTS motivations for transitioning. There are DES sons who were never going to make it as men because of what DES exposure in utero does to male fetuses but who also do a bunch of AGP stuff.
>>43978802I wouldn't post here if there wasn't so much antipathy towards hsts. The qualifications should be at hsts is so simple for me because you have to be a homosexual male I am far more of a homosexual male than I am any kind of transgender person I don't even like the word transgender woman because it has a woman that sounds like an old hag to me. I don't like the idea of being a woman. I wish I could just pass off as a gay man but I changed my body a lot because I'm mentally ill. Most hsts who transition today have self-hatred issues about being home sexual and in my case it's really embedded in my subconscious mind cuz I'm not consciously aware of myself hatred. I know I'm a homosexual
>>43978837Can you say more about what DES is, not familar with it at all.
>>43978837I wish I could have some AGP cuz I feel like complete fool for transitioning because my only motive was to get masculine looking men attracted to me and now I'm alone and ugly as a funny looking woman yes some hsts do look ugly
>>43978813This is just more HSTS faking by trying to say the HSTS experience is really the same as the MEF experience.Wanting a boyfriend to love, hold, and protect you as a man is not an emasculation fetish.
>>43971604>aapagpagampwhoa a goddamm master
>>43978857DES in this context is diethylstilbestrol. It's a synthetic estrogen that used to be given to pregnant women. It could cause undermasculinization in males born to those women: homosexuality, feminine behavior, hypospadias, and so on.
>>43978852You have to be a severely hypomasculine homosexual male to be HSTS. Otherwise it's just gayGP.
>>43978927I can say is that I am a homosexual male who mistakenly transitioned because I thought it would make me more attractive to masculine men.
>>43978904Interesting. But I don't think I am like HSTS in anything else, it was just relatable to me.
>>43978904>diethylstilbestrol. Used to be prescribed for transitioning
>>43978945So detransition then.
>>43978965I went too far. And I aged out of being in the market for being attracted to anyone
>>43978622very>>43978596i think its pickme behavior and its because hrt used to be completely gatekept by doctors that subscribed to compulsive heterosexuality. thats basically the entire reason agp is "fake" and hsts is "true" was a defense mechanism, not to gain access to hrt even but just to maintain it. and a lot of agp used to fake being hsts and a lot of hsts fake being bimbos just to trick their retarded 1950s suit and tie wearing clean-cut male physician and like i often say about doctors hondosing, your doc might be a jackass on purpose but a lot of them are just in student loan debt and terrified of losing their license by not following regulations there was that adult woman who won a million dollar lawsuit recently for ftm mastectomy, now imagine the optics of a lawsuit because some dude "chopped of his dick" not even to marry a guy and adopt children like a respectful tax paying citizen, but instead to "harass women" and regretted it (when it didnt work out because they were john 50) but back in the 60s or 70s and now its almost a fucking century later and people are still wormed the fuck up aboutit
>>43971325I once found an interesting question. Which option would I choose from the following:1. Look like a girl, but everyone treats you like a manly man.2. Look like a manly man, but everyone sees and treats you like a girl.I would definitely choose the second option. And I’m not attracted to men, if that matters.Who am I, then?
>>43978984I assume you mean you got vaginoplasty. So get on T and be a man with a vagina, then. If you've truly aged out of the market then it won't matter.
>>43978603>>43978651>this is kinda what motivates mei thought that was meta? is this different from being attracted to what they can do to you instead of who they are as an individual? someone once said "agp faceless voice" fantasy, like the hentai where the guy is a shadow with genitals
>>43978995>and a lot of agp used to fake being hsts and a lot of hstsSure this doesn't make sense but it's very old back in the day so that University Clinic which ended in 1980However I doubt if this is true because the majority of trans women who went to these clinics were homosexual males. They were feminine little sissy type guys. I knew one who made a pretty woman she looked pretty average but then she cut her hair to a crew cut and try to lose a man and she look like a little boy! Do you really want to go through life looking like a little boy?
>>43979009Of course, the second option. >>43979030Meta-attraction is one way to satisfy it, I see it more like a sexual role mismatch.
>>43979009I would rather look like a manly man if other men were sexually attracted to me I looked up to me asa real sexy guy
>>43979011Nope I'm totally out of sex because I don't want to have sex with anyone without my penis. I tried it several times and I don't like it. It just didn't work out for me
>>43971325relapsing into /tttt/ after like two yearswhat the fuck is an MEF
>>43978733What if you are agp, agamp, meta, transbean but also like one in a hundred, maybe a thousand guys is attractive and not just for being fem or twink or meta but like actual dudes but exceptionally rare. and what if its like a because all the girls are paying attention to them but not in a meta way but because they are super popular and charismatic and like, clean and not stinky lol
>>43979030AGPs want to be told they're spoiled princesses being given the princess treatment. The gender-coding of the treatment is important to them.HSTSes want to be treated like spoiled princes. They want to be men. They also want to be treated softly. The gender-coding of the treatment is unimportant to them.>>43979044The majority of MTFs have *always* been AGP.
>>43979055>Meta-attractionI think this is terrible bullshit maybe women have a low sex drive so they feel it but most gay guys don't
>>43979099>I like the parts of the typology that make me feel like a real girl but not the parts of the typology that say I'm faking
>>43979092I believe that's true because the original transsexuals were males who could not cope with being male in our society. They did not have the problem with having sex with men they just felt they shouldn't be socially men
>>43979099>I think this is terrible bullshitidk i think its pretty real. like i am attracted to arms that are bigger than mine because they can hold me down and it doesnt matter at all what they are attached to. but im only attracted to the person if they are a woman.
>>43979044>this doesn't make sense?>>43979092>AGPs want to be told they're spoiled princesses>HSTSes want to be treated like spoiled princes.?v unclear 2 me
>>43978347unironically thats why I still use iphone se.
>>43979080new alignment for sissy hypno victims jk but not rly
Dylan Mulvaney is a perfect example of gayGP.
>>43979011But I'm not attracted to males.>>43979055So, is this a typical agp answer?
>>43979357>But I'm not attracted to males.Then why were you using the HSTS flag.
>>43979357>is this a typical agp answerI guess, but it might depend on what do you value most about being a woman.
>>43979374But I don't use any flags currently. This is my only other previous relevant post: >>43979009
>>43979357>>43979437Shit, sorry. I've missclicked the reply
>>43979357>But I'm not attracted to males. This is intended to be a reply to:>>43979067
>>43979009>1. Look like a girl, but everyone treats you like a manly man.this. looks matter the most.
what's a mef
>>43979357between those two yeah. like im even more comfortable being treated as a third thing than a man as long as its not abusive. but already a lot of trans are already seen and treated as women but see themselves as men because body dysmorphia so idk how that works outlike if i could have the exact body i wanted but my potential partner doesnt recognize it or is attracted to me for it? i rly want it for myself of course, but not worth, like the whole point of trans for is to get a gay gf that wont expect trad roles. and the oppsite? being treated as a man by people im attracted to ? living nightmare, thats literally what fucked me up this bbad nothing in life fucks me up more i dont care how chopped i am as long as im not alone and dont have to pretend to be someone im not for it
>>43979515>>43979152
>>43979515>Masochistic emasculation fetish. A specific variety of AGP where the individual sees femininity as degrading and gets turned on by being a failed male
>>43971338Ok but it probably doesn't have anything to do with it, I bet agp blocker bitches still mog you(or at least the majority of hsts midshits)...
>>43979566>A specific variety of AGPis it? i thought they liked men
>>43979586Blockers produce a phenotype that is neither male nor female. So no, blocker bitches do not mog me.
>>43979692AGPs can like men as part of the fantasy of being a woman.
>>43979152what does the acronym mean tho
>>43979807male emasculation fetish
>>43979813ohhhhh, kinda like that thing jordan peterson posted once saying "this is what The Left is doing to our young men"
As a self-identified MEF i think it is different from AGP because i dont have an interest in feminization moreso than not being a man. Presenting feminine doesn't make me happy, i just want to be demure and submissive and pretty in a general sense. I'm still fine wearing male clothing and such but at the same time, hard to call myself a guy completely considering there's no testosterone in my system.
>>43979997So you got the autoandrophobia side of it. Still AGP.
>>43980060>autoandrophobia>still agp somehow???
>>43979348Maybe it's because you don't think they fit a criteria for your favorite transgender person. The most famous wonderful mythological goddess in your mind the sacred beauty hsts!
>>43980100Do you seriously think Dylan Mulvaney is HSTS.
>>43979131 I think women's bodies are ugly. The first transgender person I knew was a gay black man who had these funny looking tits on his body, it looked disgusting
>>43980146Yes I do because he's a typical homosexual male. He's also acts like a typical little drama queen. I think most gay men are better adjusted more mentally healthy hsts
>>43980087Autoandrophobia is literally AGP gender dysphoria.
>>43980291>erm if you don't want to be a guy that means you have a fetish for being a girl
>>43980291Why Auto? Why do all these weird words begin with the prefix Auto
>>43980206Well, that's where we disagree. He doesn't pass. Proto-HSTS detransition if they don't pass.
>>43980146Why do you think hsts makes somebody so high up in the value of consideration deal?
>>43980348It's androphobia directed at the self. That's the auto part.
>>43980356That's true for all of them. He's older and has a lot of determination and guts. He gets a lot of attention for being who he is. Why would he transition and be just a normal gay man when he's skinny and feminine looking and probably not very attractive as a man?
>>43980372Androphilia would be the same thing as being a homosexual. There is no Auto part
i 4got hsts r tru women bc they are dumb asf lmao
>>43980428esl
>>43978864>by trying to say the HSTS experience is really the same as the MEF experienceI didn't say nor imply that. I said there is an overlap but it's far from 1-to-1.>Wanting a boyfriend to love, hold, and protect you as a man is not an emasculation fetish.correct. never said nor implied otherwise.it seems that you just want to argue. good luck with that. i have a husband to take care of and will never have time to debate how fake i am.
>>43980405He looked better as a man than he does as a woman. He needed to eat more.
>>43980420AndroPHOBIA. Not androPHILIA.>>43980633This is what's known as a flounce.
>>43979348>>43980206isn't dylan a guy's name
>>43980753I'm not comfortable with those words I just prefer homosexual and heterosexual. What's wrong with those words?
>>43980730He has more fun being like a woman.
>>43980060>>43980291i'm not really into women tho, i'm only into cute eunuchoids like myself
>>43982842You're not really gay either. You're just a straight confused man
>>43982874i'm homosexual for the specific sexual phenotype that i have and any cissie would be a downgrade
>>43971325none of these are actually trans and therefore not actually woman. just men with a kink. you can do whatever you want with your body but only true trans should be allowed to call themselfs trans :)
>>43981517Homosexual = attracted to the same sexAndrophilia = attracted to malesAndrophilia efficiently refers to both homosexual males and heterosexual females
>>43983832Being trans is a glorification of ugliness
>>43983864I prefer heterosexual because it's clearly refers to the majority of males on this board
>>43983832true trans is agpgender dysphoria is agpfeeling like you're a girl since early childhood is agp
I dont think any subtype is bad but we're all very different which creates problems when we're all trying to be in the same community or the same space
>>43983928HSTSes don't need to transition if they can be ukes and find semes.MEFs don't need to transition if they can find someone to explore and enjoy their fetishes with them.AGPs don't need to transition if they can stop the female persona from taking over their lives.
>>43983959>if they can stop the female persona from taking over their livesUnfortunately she always returns for the kill.
>>43983959>nobody needs to troon if they win the lotteryin fact, winning the lottery is slightly more probable than finding a life partner to explore MEF with in such a way that doesn't lead to the obvious conclusion that one needs to troon.
>>43983990Find another MEF and take turns?
>>43984012how is a relationship where two people half troon each any better than a relationship where one person full troons
>>43984034And one way you can go back to being a normal man, once you grow up .. The other way, you're doomed for life
>>43984051normal men are also doomed for life, youre fucked either way 2bh you may as well enjoy it
>>43984012>just rep for 10+ years for the infinitesimal chance of not just finding another MEF (already hard) but another MEF who also is at a similar stage AND has the exact same retarded ideaneah. finding a masc husband to feminize me was clearly the better idea.>you can go back to being a normal manLOL.
>>43984068Yeah it's fun to coom real hard, be real sissy about it. the real Batman bagged out his sissy act to watch a little fancy wishy-washy little sissy
>>43983959and none of these people need to listen to you if they're not retarded
>>43979080
>>43977361I knew I was gay before puberty I just didnt have the word for it. And no obviously Ive never fantasized about womens bodies...
>>43984272whatever anon was smoking i need some of it
>>43978517>AGP is male autoheterosexuality. An AGP is attracted to the female form, but his attraction target is locked on himself. He cannot change it. He wants to be in a relationship with himself as a woman, but he cannot while he is visibly male, and that causes frustration which is the gender dysphoria so many trans women talk about. For some simply reducing signs of maleness is enough to make the frustration manageable. For others they need to look female for their sexual orientation to be satisfied.I really don't remember saying all this but it sounds like something I would say it's just that when I try to put in to text it doesn't work well
>>43984557You didn't say it. I never post with a flag.
>thread of arguing definitions made up by some pseud from like 30 years ago oh heavens... surely this is in jest?
>>43985043But it's fun
>>43983908>AGP = trutransDisproven, multiple times. Cope AGPedo.
>>43986720correct, agp was disproven multiple times
>>43971325I don't care what your motivation for trooning out. As long as you pass, have a cock and are attracted to straight men like me, idgaf
>>43986720>>43987375just curious, whats the most current accurate way to categorize trannies then?
>>43979116Stop fucking with her. Some people do fail with their transition
>>43990527>herhim*I view selfaware AGPs as women But not AGPs in denial
>>43990612You're just an asshole
>>43990639I am am an asshole who passesA passhole, if you will
>>43983894pretty bad at explaining im only attracted to being a woman though
>>43990648Why would you think that all trans women have AGP?
>>43990492categorize them for what?you can't expect me to give you categories if i don't know what criteria to use
>>43987430source?
