Thread already made and came first

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Dumb ass this is the real thread

>>43977577

>>43977577

>>43977577

i want to take t for my fetish

>>43977644
No one cares also ur in the wrong thread

Real thread
>>43977577

>QOTT: how are you handling things?
things are pretty chill. 6 months on t and no regrets.

I overcame suicidal ideation for trans reasons only for life to give me other problems I can't recover from. At least I get to die male

>>43977663
Are you sure you cant recover from whatever these problems are? Transitioning is already one of the hardest things to do in life and you achieved that! You have it in you.

QOTT:
i'm currently moving in with my girlfriend and starting a new job that pays better, we're also thinking about getting a cat or dog, havent decided yet lol.
things are being handled very well~
i'm hoping it stay this way,

dubs and i wear a rainbow tail plug to pride

>>43977734
saved

>>43977721
No one cares plus this is the real thread are u mike tryna sabotage?
>>43977577

>>43977695
Once you develop brain damage that interferes with your ability to care for yourself, you either get better slowly losing a lot along the way, or it snowballs quickly into an ugly death. I don't have the means to recover

>>43977721
Dogs are malebrained but cats are easier. I would get both and treat them like my kids personally.

>>43977777 mike won

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How i feel knowing mike is finally dead

>>43977721
nice anon!

>>43977618
>QOTT
im not handling things and thinking about getting a lot of tattoos to cope

no more mike

>>43977853
Mike is now a spectre haunting this thread

>>43977871
he won

won mike did

Mike won

mike always wins

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>>43977852
dont do that
>>43977734
DO NOT DO THAT!

michael triumphs

Mike’s parents always knew he was a winner, unlike his brother Fike

>>43977933
ur not their dad let them have a lil fun at pride

Whoever said micro mike is a big bitch i hope u rot in hell

in this house mike is a hero, END OF DISCUSSION

getting caught photoshopping has this guy seeeeeething
let it go man

Mike saved my dog from a burning building

>>43978014
I think you’re the one seething, sweetie.

>>43977721
Congrats. When will you get pregnant?

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Mike is an egregore

mike saved my pooner soul from damnation by impregnating me with a wonderful cis child

>>43978055
You should suck mike’s large cock a million times in thanks and also name the theyby mikette

>>43977721
the dream

>>43978054
mike is literally this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

>>43978085
Exactly, but at the same time he is real because we believe in him and so therefore he is real.

>>43978048
"im a trans man"
*they all open the door and fight each other to play with him*

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Since this thread is shit
Must post HRT to be accepted
9YnudCbY9

>QOTT
Well enough

>>43978217
By plsying you mwan smashing your womb?

>>43978217
*they just gangbang and impregnate him*
The dream..

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GUYS. I’m so heckin confused right now!!! It’s making my head spin! *sigh*
Which general should I use??? This one or the other one??? Please help!! *blushes*

Any of ya gals got smegma?

mike successfully mindbroken the gen. cis men truly are superior, I need to get impregnated asap

>>43978352
Mikerhood is such a beautiful thing <3

>>43978277
i stopped getting smegma after starting T

> I feel trapped between my need to stay on HRT and my relationship with my family. My mother and family don't seem to understand that I'm trans or how important HRT is to my well-being. The last time I was off HRT for two years, it was one of the worst periods of my life. I was severely depressed and suicidal, so going without it again doesn't feel like a real option for me.
>
> I don't necessarily want to convince my family of anything—I just want to be able to live authentically. Being around them feels suffocating because I know they would never fully accept me or see me as who I am. That creates a lot of shame, guilt, and isolation, even though I know I need HRT for my mental health.
>
> More than anything, I feel like I need space and independence. I need to move out because living in an environment where I don't feel accepted is taking a serious toll on my mental health. I care about my family, but it's painful to be around people who don't understand or accept such an important part of who I am. I'm not trying to hurt anyone or be selfish—I just know from experience that HRT is something I need to be healthy and able to keep living my life.

>>43978407
I asked ai to summarize my rambling

>>43978014
i think hes embarrassed about it because this amount of spam is something...very telling it got to him

>>43978444
Mike is always going to be more relevant than you. Who are you anyways? You’re a nobody, a freak!

>>43978425
beyond the avrg tranny shit using ai to summerize ur feelings is really kinda sad and retarded

>>43978485
Why sad and retarded?

>>43978485
I have no one to talk to this about irl lmao but i had a transcript from something i recorded and asked AI to summarize it

>>43978487
you could have done it yourself and perhaps developed some introspective skills instead of automating your self reflection

>>43978499
But anon i genuinely am retarded

>>43978508
thats sad you can always try and work on changing that, im always worried that my mental faculties are getting worse

>>43977618
>G: https://vocaroo.com/19Ip1fwl61HJ
rekt

mike owns this pussy

>>43978543
Sybau Mike is King

>>43978528
Yeah, but is my stuff rly average tranny stuff? Should I just move out?

Why the fuck do you get to be afab but not me

>>43978629
Why do you get to be the default, superior sex and not me

>>43978629
Why tf do you get to be Mike’s favorite but not me?

>>43978585
probably, its expensive to move out though. i would prioritize financial stability before moving out.

>>43978629
the demiurge

>>43978473
this. someone linked me here from the mikemaniacs forum, can't believe there's losers who hate on our prince! we're laughing at them there

why so many trips in ftmg i thought this place was suppose to be ded lol. guess not.

>>43978786
Truly the lolcows of our times lolz! They can keep hating though, they’ll never be Magnificent Mike!

>>43978640
Fuck you, I want to be afab

i spoke with gloves and hes doing well
living his best life as a man

>>43978972
gloves is still too afraid to debate me in VC

>>43978640
Women are literally the base model, being a man is luxury trim

>>43977644
I did this and haven't regretted it since

>>43978972
I miss him will he ever return. I wish elliot and tardje would as well. Fuck i miss 2022-2023

>>43978245
the other one looks like one guy talking to himself
this is the real one by the looks of it
yeah

>>43978988
Untrue. Our analogous organs are not female or male by default. But being male is the default animal. Being a weak breeding pig is not the default for existence, it is merely a means to perpetuate our species. You were not created to care for yourself or others. Being female is a disability. Femininity is to revel in weakness. And I think that's noble, women and feminine people should not feel ashamed for being disabled. Femininity is beautiful. But it is pathetic and being male is superior nonetheless. I am glad you get to be male and feminine, you truly get to have your cake and eat it too.

>>43979134
Lies, the other one is the real thread you heretic!

>>43977721
This gives me hope i will find a cute trans girlfriend and live an amazing t4t life <3

>>43979012
>elliot
More like toilet lmaoo

>>43979164
>Being a weak breeding pig is not the default for existence
wut. yeah okay lol, thats why we specifically as mammals develop breast first which are primarily of the females. Did anyone here finish school?

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which did you pick, you DID play right?

>>43979286
Why?

>>43979304
School as in college? No i failed twice. I barely graduated hs

>>43979012
elliot is the foot fetish poster popping in occasionally if u didnt know

>>43979164
its actually the opposite lol, males cannot produce offspring and so are essentially just a variable that arose because of the need for genetic recombination. thats why dwarf males are actually more common than large males in the animal kingdom because women need more energy and are more important (because they can produce offspring) so the male is often small and serving a single reproductive purpose. see rhizocephalan barnacles where the male is so small and insignificant it essentially just becomes the testes of the larger successful female.
also in humans technically being a female comes before in the development of the sexes, where the vagina fuses shut to become a penis.
In any case being ftm is an embracing of the Faustian spirit and the striving towards a uniquely human pain.

>>43958038
>>43958125
is elliot

>>43979414
i dont super understand feet desu they arent very attractive but my gf is trying to psyop me into liking them. she did a mommy rp and it kinda worked. i hope she doesnt groom me into being a footfag

>>43979304
>develop breast first
No we don't. We grow gonads first, which depending on whether the SRY gene on the Y chromosome is present, the gonads will begin differentiating specifically into either testes or ovaries. Then the testes begin producing testosterone as an embryo.

>The developing testes secrete testosterone and anti-Müllerian hormone (AMH). Testosterone stimulates the Wolffian ducts to develop into male reproductive anatomy (epididymis, vas deferens, and seminal vesicles), while AMH destroys the Müllerian ducts.

>In the absence of the Y chromosome, the gonads become ovaries and do not produce these male hormones. Without AMH, the Müllerian ducts grow to form female anatomy (fallopian tubes, uterus, cervix, and upper vagina), while the Wolffian ducts degenerate.

It's funny how the trans community is obsessed over puberty blockers and getting kids on HRT when the truth is it was already over since conception.

>>43979408
>also in humans technically being a female comes before in the development of the sexes
Wrong. See: >>43979481

>>43979442
dont have a foot fetish either but like having a phobia of it is cringe, if you cant suck your gfs toes to keep her happy what are you even doing. stop being a pussy and do it. every inch of a woman should be loved

>>43979442
most men like feet, if you wanna fit in then you will get stepped on

>>43979414
He was so cute when he posted himself here

>>43979504
>inhibiting
lol

>>43979568
he posted himself 4 months ago playing pokemon or some shit

>>43979414
how do you know?

its hard to break the ice as a tripfag, do you just need to be narcissistic to be able to be an interwebs microceleb

>>43979579
What are you coping about now?

>>43979605
Yes and also incredibly delusional and not self aware. If i wasnt so neurotically self aware id have been a internet niche lolcow ages ago!

what was the first thing you did when you first got a cellphone?

>>43979607
oh nothing, just nice ai summary

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>>43979624
played bounce

>>43979624
Posted my first thirstrap

>>43979624
wrote suicide notes, trade nudes and game. what else?
>>43979600
evb know that nigga love feet, recognised his pic months ago
https://archiveofsins.com/lgbt/search/image/e6UIHFvKUE87ZSeb-5acwA/
his tripcode is attached to it

>>43979624
held it underneath and took a picture

>>43979626
Yes and?

>>43979716
have you ever tried thinking for yourself or are you the first in line for the chopping block goycattle?

>>43979624
hid it in the boys locker room in middle school to know how big they were down there and sold the info to the highest bidder

>>43979724
Extreme cope. The summary was a simple statement of facts. I could manually type up the same thing it would simply take longer. Asshurt faggot lmao.

>>43979746
Have u ever tried not being so painfully gay?

>>43979746
>All human individuals—whether they have an XX, an XY, or an atypical sex chromosome combination—begin development from the same starting point. During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female

>>43979788
You're fat and retarded.

>>43979838
At least i’m not fat, retarded and gay like you

>>43979829
>and are phenotypically female
Lmfao no. They're undifferentiated. That is by definition not male or female.

>>43979892
so wait does neither come first then

>>43979866
I'm fit, intelligent, white and hetero :)

I miss my old edgelord pooner dc friend i used to talk daily to in 2022 ): seems they are lost to the annals of time. But it was fun while it lasted.

>>43979913
Edgy pooner friends are easy to make, I'm sure you'll find another

>>43979908
I sincerely doubt that

>>43979920
This one was different, they loved all the things i did, almost like we were the same person. They were so based

>>43979906
Not really. You either have the SRY gene or not. And that makes you male or female. And you get that during fertilization. You were always male or female since the literally beginning. It's just that your gonads are the first physical sex characteristic that develops. Your SRY gene takes effect your gonads become testes or in the absence of it they're ovaries.

Does anyone wanna have sex?

>>43979913
>>43979953
been there, it doesn't get better

>>43979939
>t. Fat and brown
Many such cases.

>>43979962
Really? How does it get worse? How could it possibly get worse?

>>43979957
what about those that do not have the SRY gene or do you think thats something that never happens?

my boyfriend is so successful and rich and beautiful and handsome and i feel like i cant compete with him. hes too good for me :((( should i break up with him so he can find someone better?

>>43979973
as in those XY without SRY gene that still develop MIS

>>43979977
stop being retarded and self sabotaging

>>43979979
I don't give much thought to those with rare genetic defects. It's like someone saying "humans are a bipedal species" and someone jumping in and saying "uhmm askhully some people are born without legs!" Like nobody cares and it doesn't matter.

>>43980005
ok ur right

>>43980039
>facts and science dont matter

>>43980039
the fact ultimately though is that fetal genitalia phenotypically female and then is differentiated into male or female. and from an evolutionary standpoints males did not come first and males cannot produce offspring so they are not 'superior' and definitely not the default animal.

>males are first popsci
niggas need to go back to 7th grade, this entire argument is chicken vs egg shit ( the answer is egg aka female)

>>43980101
>fetal genitalia phenotypically female
No. It's undifferentiated.

>>43980079
If they're irrelevant, that is correct.

ooof mike won a ghosted thread

Im going to be the first one to say it but i miss when this was tripfag central

>>43980144
What? The popsci has been for a very long time "we were all female at one point!" because women are weak and have zero achievements and need a "win".

When the reality is you were always male or female since conception.

>>43980217
whats the ftmgen feeling towards tripfags? ive been here for 5+ yrs and on discord maybe some people know me, but tripfagging seems kinda useless

>>43980292
kek

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>>43980292
This is amazing, you sir have won the internet. I tip my fedora to you.

>>43980255
I like it cuz they stir up drama

>>43979624
The first weird thing I did with it was take a pic of my asshole because I just never saw it, surprisingly pink

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>>43980198
mike, if you're in the thread with us right now. can you give us a sign? can you squeeze that afabs breasts?

It’s okay guys, imma clairovoyant, i can help ya’ll bring about Mike buttt with a price!

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oh my god... what was that....

was waiting for my turn to get boarded and they weirdly called out a single person named Mike for a solo seat in first class. Dude apparently bought out the whole lot to prevent anyone else from flying first. I locked eyes with him and he just smirked, like her knew exactly what I was, and just walked towards the terminal.

>>43980482
Mike’s scepter !

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I just felt my binder come undone... like a poorly circulated cold hand just touched me

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>>43980490
>named Mike

WHAT??? WHERE WAS THIS!!! NAME? AGE? Height? GIRTH???

WE MUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS FTMG

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THAT PACKER JUST LIFTED OFF INTO THE AIR DUDE

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>>43980508
m-mike…is that really you? I thought you were just a myth

>>43980571
Dood…mike loved his packer…

>>43980255
I hate all of them unless they're especially good posters. I do not mind joe and I am glad he doesn't use a trip anymore. I miss boris so much. Everyone else is brimstone. Except me of course.

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caught something very strange on the EVP recorder guys... this might be mike communicating through the nether https://vocaroo.com/1bsR8Qg2lcCi

>>43979977
Marry him dumbass

>>43980715
Who are you?

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>>43980735
…er doods are we in the snuff tape??

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oh my god... we caught tape of one of mikes concubines that passed away during childbirth (not all holes are fit to birth mike babys)

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>>43980802
they say this is the exact room mike hung himself when he found out his trans male coworker stole his girlfriend and posted his small penis on revenge porn sites

I don't want to shower one of you bathe me

>>43978014
blud could not let it go

>>43980892
Harrowing, harrowing indeed. But will Mike ever rise from the dead again to seek his vengeance?

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>>43980785
Shhh I'm reading the mike files right now

>>43980963
YOU. DO. NOT. MESS. WITH. MIKE.

>>43980906
I'll just beat you and drag you into the shower by your hair.

Guys i dont think my mommy loves me

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>>43980983
What…what does it say, Wolfgang?

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I've been off testosterone for a while now, but still binding. It feels like picrel is happening to my tits. The extra tit meat that is squeezed out of the armpits of the binder is all firm and tender, holding its shape. Weird

>>43980735
holy poon voice. if that were mike it would be a trembling masculine baritone

>>43980966
No afab womb is safe.

>>43980994
...Ow. Man the depression is kicking my ass enough. What happened to brotherhood

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>>43981036
Oh, thank god I cemented my poon! That sure takes a load off my back!

>>43981053
That is brotherly love. I didn't even mention I was gonna violate your asshole in the shower yet either.

bros... the seal on my pussy came undone

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>>43981088
Do not panic, do you have a cement mixer near?

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Is jeff the killer at all connected to mike?

>>43981019
Wolfgang .. . = mike chan???
>>43981020
Feel terrible for anyone who has to bind. I don't know how I'd cope. A cup havers are the bourgeois.

>>43981156
Binding is a humiliation ritual within itself

>>43981156
>Wolfgang...= mike chan???

Perhaps…perhaps the prophecies are true…

>>43981156
Yeah binding is becoming painful and i grow tired of it. Still, I don't know how I would navigate having stubble and tits

when are we getting an official deep lore dive on mike given the obsession with him?

>>43981320
Where do we even begin, there is so much to work with…

The origins of Mike? Did he begin as a bacteria that grew into a “man” or some sort of mutated man?

>>43981320
>>43981331
mike isn't real. we need a peer reviewed study on the mike induced mass hysteric psychosis experiment the government has been running here for 6 months to train for future cyber warfare

Hey saw this general on page one! I didn't know there was a thread for ftm fellas.

>>43981367
mike is the spiritual amalgamation of toxic misogynistic thoughts MtFs threw away to the dark to transition. he is a demon that has grown beyond comprehension and only grows stronger by the day

>>43981443
A true egregore, a cautionary tale indeed

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>>43981418
Oh yea hi we’re just normal men. (:
>>43981385
Erm actually, He was birthed into existence actually by mass psychosis alone

mike is a homunculus creature

If you could write a celebratory ballad about Mike what would it be in celebration about? His strength, talent courage, supernatural abilities?

Holyyy shit they rounded my grade up in fish class to passing lets fucking goooo

>>43981689
>pooner taking a FISH class

Kek

does anyone else periodically shave his vagina smooth, then take pics and vids of it, fap to it later and do a little cunny rp? legitimately looks better than pornstars' vaginas and even with the grown clit it passes off as a little girl cunny better. I envy cis men and trans women because they are able to bend over and put their genitals in their mouth and I can't do that with mine, I sorta just pretend to do it with vids of it

>>43981890
cism can't stretch far enough to suck their dicks lmfao

>>43981890
No you weird pedophile

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>crona OP
based
i saved this crona in 2011

>>43981890
>I envy cis men and trans women because they are able to bend over and put their genitals in their mouth and I can't do that with mine
this is because you are a coward and have poor flexibility

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>>43981933
i love him so much

>>43981950
show one example of a trans man bending over to suck his clit and flaps

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>>43981977
our boy speaks to the soul
i almost miss feeling like he was me

>>43981992
ive seen cis women do it
start training for flexibility

>>43981992
I could show you an example of a trans guy(me) giving himself a footjob.

>>43982001
you know we lose flexibility on T

i want to fuck a ftm right in the bussy

>>43982009
Plssss

>>43982009
ok

i would crossdress only to do loli rp (with other trans people only)

>>43981689
if its Dr. Arcila's man ur retarded that shit was easy as piss

Thank god I was never raped

>>43982067
So do u all go the same university or smth

>>43981890
>cis men and trans women are able to bend over and put their genitals in their mouth
It's really difficult to bend over enough actually

>>43982049
Same I would crossdress to do shota rp

>>43982097
no im just assuming i have no idea who that other anon is but im also studying marine bio. im a grad rn tho, msc

>>43981086
This man specifically is a monkey paw golem. Gonna leave my ass raw on the shower floor with no towel after

>>43982115
Nah my fish class is culinary. By no means should my grades have been so bad but i was being a scumbag during that block and couldnt stand the chef

>>43982147
can u make me fish n chips? also cmon u can do it

>>43982020
>>43982032
unsee is down so maybe next thread

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>>43982163
I know it’s you elliot

>>43982177
;)

i think G is taller than his cis chinese boyfriend

happy fathers day everyone ^^ at least for us in the states. going out to dinner tonight soon

hows everyones day been so far?

>>43977618
therapy, meds, playing games with friends.. ive been slowly getting more comfortable with driving too and i hope i start the habit of doing that too when i need a break

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Anyone play vintage story?

>>43982481
Oh man I didn't realize it was fathers day.. maybe I'll get him some flowers tonight. I got him some a few years ago.

>>43982530
You should. You never know when it's gonna make a difference

>>43980535
7 foot tall, long black hair, dude looked like nathan explosion

>>43982440
I thought his boyfriend was British

>>43982662
omg i wanna suck his dick now…mike nsfw fanart when??

I love mike

mike is love
mike is life

>>43982530
thats a good idea! that or a nice little gift. maybe go out for a meal together for quality time. we had all the family over and hung out by the pool, and now we are headed out for dinner at my dads fav steakhouse
anything to remind him you think of him is nice!

>>43982707
mine is. it would be crazy if other ftms also had british bfs

>>43982724
Apparently he prefers total dominance during a blowjob so you might be toothless after if that is okay for you

>>43983085
Whatever mike wants, i want

Hi pathetic retards

>>43983142
Hey, Don’t call G that.

>>43983161
Don't tell me what to do, fuckface

>>43983142
thats us!!!

wish adderall would nuke my appetite

>>43982440
i looked at G's instagram and i think you're right. so much for ftms being manlets.

>>43983339
How tall?

>>43983334
Get tirzepatide.

>>43983339
G is 5'2" and like 96lbs.

>>43983339
G isn't a ftm

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*miao*

>>43983646
me too but i have a real penis

>>43979164
>weak breeding pig
>beautiful

>>43982440
Im 5’3 and my bf is 6’1

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>>43983743
Yes. Real qts.

how do you guys handle road anxiety when someone else is behind the wheel. my dad is drunk and high rn and he keeps swerving onto the other side of the road. uncomfortably fast on small tight roads. on his phone. im tweaking and genuinely dont know what to do

>>43983921
When I was a little child, my father was the exact same. He hated me for my catlike ways, moreso then my feminine. And so i would always hide in the back when he got drunk, this consequentially Saved me from getting too injured in the car crash while my father suffered permanent brain damage leading my beloved late grandmother to care for me till her death. She embraced my catlike ways like no one else had ever before, she made me feel like i truly belonged and wasnt just some cat freak, she saved me from being a slave.

>>43983921
Ask to stop somewhere, force him to let you drive or get a ride home yourself.

I need to leave my hometown or i will die

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the brainworms are back and I want to blow my head off

This sounds like a weird LARP but I swear to god it happens to me under the specific circumstances. Sometimes, especially if I am shaved smooth, my fat flaps will rub against my manclit when I walk. If I'm aroused it will actually cause some stimulation that's hard to ignore. Does this happen to anyone else? I suppose the solution is not to shave, but is there some sort of cocksleeve for my disgusting stick that will prevent accidentally sensual rubbing?

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>>43984258
put this on your bean. I wear it on runs it works great.

>>43984287
Never call it my "bean" again.

Should i move to chicago

>>43978245
Well that settles which is the real one. The fake one got deleted, thankyou mods.

>>43984392
Mike will not forgive you for this

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>>43984377
or else what? you'll make me choke on your gumdrop?
>>43984384
do you have a job that requires you to live there or smth

>>43984384
Chicago has (within the US):
>largest Polish diaspora
>largest goth and industrial scenes
Sounds like the only place you should live in in the US if you ask me

>>43984401
I didnt do anything it was the mods that deleted his bait thread.

>>43984451
why would number of polish diaspora matter

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>>43984490
Why wouldn't it?

>>43984451
Based…
>>43984436
No i just want to be far from my family and small town

>>43984384
Chicago is 30% black.

>>43984654
Ok? Most cities are

>>43984676
Lmfao. No.

>>43984704
Lmfao i dont give a shit

I got to Vermont, black man jurisdictions no longer apply and Vermont would not extradite one of their own whites.

>>43984723
>I don't care about the significant negative consequences of living near that many black people
Well I suppose you can remain ignorant.

>>43984733
You are on the gay tranny poop sex board if u wanna talk about race go to pol

>>43984490
Are you retarded?

>>43984749
Nigga thinks every part of chicago is chiraq but prolly lives in a Eastern European shithole, TOPKEK.

>>43984654
that's okay I can just live in a Polish goth suburb

>>43984779
Based

>>43984753
mad

>>43984770
You aren't black and are using "nigga", highly cringe. Regardless, I live in the USA, in a top 30 metro area population. It's 3% black. It's very nice.

>>43984801
I dont rly care

>>43984818
Lol faggot.

>>43984654
>Chicago is 30% black
misleading percentage based on their despawn rates there and massive size of chicago

>>43984822
Have fun in whatever small little boring ass town you live in faggot.

>>43984830
>no you don't understand, they die often so there are fewer calmer elderly blacks, they're all late teens and early 20's, causing trouble
Epic.

>>43984839
>small
There are over 2.5 million people here.

I actually like black people more than white people ngl. They feel more passionate and human. Whites are all passive aggressive autistic weirdos

Shit imma move to memphis now, i fucking love Memphis rap

>>43984866
>They feel more passionate and human.
Positive stereotyping is still racism.

>>43984880
Ok? Im transracial, it’s okay

>>43984887
If you're actually transracial and not just baiting then that's based, carry on