>>43979924
>the illness that makes you people chose to become trans
Why do people put so much drama into it?

look at the effects of T look at the effects of E pick one simple as that dog
>>43979959
trve

>>43979959
Why do you? You people have made a cult and a political issue out of your fetish.

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>>43979959
Well, to me at least, it seems pretty obvious that something that can be defined as "a dissonance between mind a body" should be considered an illness.
In a perfect world, this shouldn't exist, it's a problem, is it not ?

>>43980075
I don't get it

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>>43980166
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>>43979924
>are you open minded?
yeah. sorry if i come off as tryna get you though. im just honest
>i dont mind staying a man
>i actually like how I'd look
>i'd probably hate how i'd look
thoughts i had before. dysphoria for me was like, having been born and living in a dark cave, but there was a couple holes of light in the roof. that was euphoria. the more time I spent in the light the less I liked the darkness.
>i prefer this, and treating my body correctly
nah man, only thing to treating your body correctly is whatever gives you cancer the slowest imo
>then to attempt to try to pass as a woman
passing is not necessarily the goal of transition. i think most people focus on it, particularly this board, for the sense of safety that passing gives you. transitioning is always for your own relief and happiness.
>the illness that makes you chose to be trans
wouldn't call it an illness unless you think homosexuality is an illness. I can see why you'd call it an illness but idk, it's just really stigmatizing and harmful to think that way imo

you don't need to do HRT or whatever. you can even keep it to yourself for a while. buy some clothes, like a sports bra or something, idk. it'd help you figure out how you feel without any serious commitment.

>>43979959
>youve made a cult
for a cult we sure do argue a lot. who's even the leader? no, i think its a community.
>a political issue
this was more or less thrust upon us. I feel like politics made an issue out of trans people, and we've had our hand forced to respond.
Yeah yeah, there's the super queer people with beards and the "it's ma'am"-ers and whatever, but idk. Weirdos from all walks of life, trans people are just easier to make fun of imo

>>43980333
>thoughts i had before. dysphoria for me was like, having been born and living in a dark cave, but there was a couple holes of light in the roof. that was euphoria. the more time I spent in the light the less I liked the darkness.
Well shit it's not that for me. I mean I'm sorry for you though.

I do "fantasize" or daydream (more precise) on looking cute, looking like a woman, and since early childhood I remember asking my parents why I wasn't a girl instead of a boy. I know I am pretty feminine in my personality and behaviour at that.

But it's a very fleeting feeling. I feel like it was stronger in my teenager years. I had a brief femboy period, but I quickly, thank God, gave up on it.

I don't feel miserable though, that's my point. You seem to describe it as a miserable experience, do we suffer the same experience ? Or am I living something different from being trans ?

>>43980333
I mostly agree however
>wouldn't call it an illness unless you think homosexuality is an illness.
Not comparable, gender dysphoria causes active suffering when untreated, like any other disease, being gay doesn't it just means your libido works different.
>you don't need to do HRT or whatever. you can even keep it to yourself for a while. buy some clothes, like a sports bra or something, idk. it'd help you figure out how you feel without any serious commitment
Idk about you, or OP, but if I bought female clothes before taking HRT it would just reaffirm my prior belief that it's all a fetish. Looking at myself gave me nausea.

>>43979924
I think it's reasonable. I detrooned for similar reasons. I think I have 2 paths in life. Trooning would be the best possible path, but only if every single very unlikely thing goes right. Otherwise staying a cis male is better. For me trooning is never worth it if I can't pass perfectly as a cis woman and don't find love

>>43980445
You're probably just dissasociating as a defense mechanism like most reppers
The more you think about it the worse it gets, now that you're in this deep it's likely worse than it was before that
If you get on E you'll likely get what she means

>>43980333
not op but there is no reason to transition if you don't pass.

>>43980538
how are you supposed to pass if you dont transition

>>43980522
>Just get on E you'll get it
Idk about this.
Even if you're right, let's say that you are. Being that I'm not miserable right now, this feels like a situation of you know, people who smoke or drink and say "If you've never smoked or drinked you're missing out big time"

But the lack of experience doesn't make you unhappy. It's experiencing it that would make it so living without it would make you unhappy.

>>43979924
Okay, then repress.

>>43980522
Also sorry for not getting your linguo, I am a normie, so I don't know what "repper" means.

>>43980594
Honestly I think people online overestimate how big of an impact it has, especially outside this board
There are ways to avoid breast growth and genital athropy, and if you do that then the only way you will have major changes that are truly unchangeable are if you're really young (or have a lot of muscle mass that you don't want to lose)
Also, trans women don't just take E and do surgeries, they also do prog and sometimes pio, but only after months or years on E.
I also don't know why you'd compare estrogen to drugs in the first place because if you're truly cissexual then there will not be anything stopping you from going off of it the second any changes you don't like manifest themselves.

>>43980491
>being gay doesn't
I've heard otherwise. The "ex-gay" converts seem to be in a lot of pain themselves, and from gay men and woman, pretending to like the opposite sex is an ordeal in and of itself.
>it would just reaffirm my prior belief its just a fetish
Ig i see where ur coming from but this seems hella wormed. I was never into crossdressing as a fetish. Closest thing to it was maybe being an honorary femboy, but I never had the twinky body to do that. I just always wanted to be a woman. A trans woman told me that I could be one, if I wanted. I didnt have to do anything special. Tell myself I am, and seek out euphoria. So i bought a sports bra.

>>43980445
>its a very fleeting experience, though
It can be.
Your descriptions about your childhood and teenager years, are commonly experienced by trans women including me.
>you seem to describe it as a miserable experience.
It can be. It wasn't miserable for me before I realized i was trans.
The cave isn't miserable. Maintaining the analogy, I was born into it. I had a whole thing going. Idc, Idk any better. I was fine with it.
Then, idk, that light showed up one day, and I'd pass by it every once in a while. When I was younger, the way I did it was by role playing as a girl. Not just erotic roleplay, there was some of that too, I mean like female body in RP WoW servers. Playing as a girl in DnD groups. Voice training on discord to tell people i'm a girl. I didn't do these because I was miserable, I did they felt good for some reason. That's that light.
Then one day, idk, one thing comes after another and I bought Women's boxers and a sports bra. I put it on, I felt like I was levitating. Only then did I feel "miserable."
>are we experiencing the same thing?
Maybe. I don't know. You shouldn't stop yourself from seeking out what makes you happy because you might not be "really trans." It's hard to know for sure without actually doing anything.

>>43980562
most people don't pass. If you don't have a great starting point there's no hope

>>43980538
I dont think i'll ever "pass," i'll always be clocky with 21" shoulders and 40" ribcage and 6'0" tall, feet too big for any women's shoes, but being a woman/being girly makes me happy.
It sucks in some ways but honestly passing isn't my goal. My goal is relief from dysphoria. On nights where I lament losing the coin flip, I put on some nice clothes and I feel all better again.
Passing is for safety and acceptance.

>>43980721
>>43980810
Your optimism is inspiring and I also love the cave analogy. YGMI

>>43980721
>>43980709
I'm not gonna bother you guys anymore. From this point on, I think we'd be going into too many details to really make this conversation worth it.

I wanted to hear the opinion of people who were deep into all that stuff, and I think I've heard it now. Thanks for sharing, and for listening to me and my story.

I'll say this though :
I have peace and happiness right now with myself, I really mean it. If I am trans, then it is a mild inconvenience to me. I made a choice.
You made a different choice. If you found peace and happiness, good for you, but you still have your own mild inconveniences, right ?
So we're not that different, just two different paths. Time will tell what choice was the sanest.

Thank you again for your answers, and again for listening. Be blessed.

>>43980916
np anon, i got most of what I wanted out anyway

>>43979924
anon, i don't think you are trans, you are alone and love starved, like most men.
half of this board is just guys who saw the future that awaited them if they kept socialising as males and just chose to enter a social group that would acknowledge and value their emotional state.
they want to feel coveteded, protected and in control of their place in reality, a new chance at life given to them by a new identity. i don't know what kind of social circles you live around, but you need to learn to accept reality around you as something you live in, that you navigate through, but that ultimately is dominates you. most people don't percieve trans people as wathever they claim to be, they may say it out in the open, but in their hearts they know the truth, the know the world they live in, and that wich we all desire.
if you wana do it, do it, but don't ask of reality to bend for you, and don't forget who you are

>>43979924
Thats kinda me. I dont hate being male, it just wouldnt have ever been my first choice. Its going fine for me so far as long as i dont overindulge by self-inserting in feminization stuff. I do start to break down if i ever gain weight or lose muscle though, so ill probably kill myself a little past 40