>>44005775
I want to watch these two have sex.

>>44005877
based, I was thinking that they're both hot

>>44005877
>>44005922
yes me too

Not a fan of tits on men.

God imagine the sex…

youre genuinely subhuman if you prefer the guy on the left

>>44005877
Left is really hot holy shit

>>44005988
Interesting. Right looks younger. Very interesting.

>>44005775
Britmoder in what way are you AAP? Tbhon that describes some fairly different ideas. Hypermasc AAP is a whole different phenomenon from like, fem/bottom AAP which is honestly kinda AGAMP.

>>44005775
everyone likes tits, you're literally born to suck on them

>>44005877
Oh my god same I think this may have given me a fetish

>>44005775
>being ugly in general
Oh my god fuck off, you're pretty as hell.

>>44006019
this

>>44006016
basically in the way people describe gaydens as being aap. i'm a fujo who likes the dynamics of mlm relationships, both in a fetish-y way and a normal way
if this is agamp please inform me so i can take all the pills in my medicine cabinet

>>44006054
okay well thank you, but in a theoretical scenario would you mind your partner having tits

>>44006138
that's just being a bottom and I get it it's what I crave sometimes. honestly I know some people you might get along with, one of whom visits the board every now and then. I can ask her if she'd be willing to offer you any advice as someone who is similar albeit older.

>>44006188
that would be helpful thanks
but idk i think it's more than just being a bottom. i mean i've said before i wouldn't have transitioned if i was a good enough looking twink. there's definitely some internalised homophobia/dysphoria speaking here but i'm finding it difficult to deconstruct

>>44006236
You are a very cute twink but also I feel that. If I had been afforded the opportunity to have been a twink at all transitioning might not have been on the table (or maybe I'd have done it sooner who knows).

I'll send her a message and see if she's up for it. She's cool and is doing a similar thing of woman in public, gay bottom for her husband.

>>44006266
>doing a similar thing of woman in public, gay bottom for her husband.
oh you meant our situations were THAT similar
okay well i'm glad i'm not the only one

thanks snoy

>>44006314
She may be asleep rn because she's a responsible adult but she gave me good advice in the past.

>>44006236
My problem is I always wanted to look extremely handsome and masculine and be over 6 ft tall. I was a little round shit, only 5'6

>>44005775
I think they're disgusting but im a detranny so idk if you count me
>>44005988
im subhuman

>>44005988
wait why
he's so fucking hot

>>44005988
the one on the left looks so much better i'm ngl
idk how tall the one on the right is but make him like 50% more masculine and i could fix him

>>44006510
fuck not even 50% more masculine just as long as he's 5'10"or above

>>44005775
guy on the right looks like panda bear so he's better

>>44006510
he needs to be fixed by estrogen there is no way he's making it

>>44006598
you're not seeing the vision snoy
the one on the left would pump and dump you after 3 months but right is bf material

>>44006635
The right would ask me to top him unfortunately :(

>>44006679
left will also ask for that

>>44006679
okay well assuming he won't give him a slightly more dimorphic face and half an inch on his shoulders and i'd lay in his lap while he talks to me about some band i've never heard of

okay sorry i've lost the plot

>>44005775
this picture is literally just do you like men or women

>>44005775
>never socially transitioning in the first place, and just dating as a gay guy.
same
>i hate being treated as a fag by society
why???
>and i'm an aap
same!
>for the record, i do feel dysphoria, but a lot of this is just at being ugly in general,
dont stop hrt then and you arent ugly

>>44006747
you have a very narrow perception of what a man is
>>44006772
>why???
being a gay bff is a humiliation ritual, especially when you realise how homophobic many women are. my guy friends are actually more okay with it than anything else and i prefer their company but it still feels like there's an unbreakable barrier between us, partly because a lot of social things i do don't appeal to me whatsoever
being a short, effeminate man earns you no respect and no social capital, i have had to claw and scratch to prove my worth at every opportunity

>>44006865
social things they do*
don't type tired guys

Every time women learn I have a boyfriend they immediately ask who's the top. They're pretty gross

>>44006735
He could also just need more moiding true but like does he want that?

>>44006865
the life of a weird androphile
yes it's weird
transition changes the dynamic and for a while I got less comfortable with guys and more comfortable with girls but now I'm comfortable with guys again and more comfortable with girls than before but also more wary

>>44006957
gay people do the exact same thing

>>44006958
>but like does he want that?
look at how out of place he looks. he just needs someone to teach him to be a man and *i* volunteer. i know i know, hold your applause
>>44006985
i guess i'm in stage 1 rn. i'll see what happens but at some point i'll have to unlearn my heckin male socialisation (being bullied for my whole adolescence)

>>44006705
Left is hot enough that id do it tho

>>44007060
It's all bullshit anyways
I have a different perspective on things though since I went from being a bullied effeminate fag to being able to at least somewhat convincingly be masculine (thanks acting + testosterone)

>>44007091
>being a bullied effeminate fag to being able to at least somewhat convincingly be masculine
i did the same thing and hated myself for it. why i thought that was easier than just trooning out i'll never know. looking back it's sort of funny how out of place i was still. i was on the football C team, had nothing in common with the other boys to talk about, played as goalkeeper because no one else wanted to do it, then didn't even play because i got outclassed by someone taller with 0 experience. my phone died so i scrolled an empty screen on the way home.

>>44007214
Okay I was forced to play American football and also grew to be pretty big so that changed a lot.

Like britmoder you don't look like you are at all convincingly masculine. Meanwhile I had a friend hit on me by comparing me (positively) to human Shrek from Shrek 2.

>>44007235
i'm sorry

>>44006957
Thats never happened to me once lol

>>44007379
i've heard this happen multiple times, and it definitely gets gossiped about
sometimes it's obvious though and no questions need to be asked. i mean take picrel for example. if they were dating there'd be no doubts. yes i'm projecting my heteronormativity here but cmon

>>44007583
I mean neither of them look feminine. I wear makeup daily and Im still vers, troye sivan is a top. That stuff only matters if youre around old people with no pop culture connection or in some rural flyover place.

>>44007235
>>44007309
thought of something to say 2 hours later
you'd have to define convincingly masculine tbhon. enough to be accepted into male friend groups through merit? yeah. enough to "belong" without trying or even be fully a part of a non-outcasted male friend group? no

My now wife was like you (except the AAP part ig). She thought she'd never pass and would boymode but already had tits.
Now it's just our little secret that she's a failed male. In public we're a straight couple.
Don't listen to gincels online. The variety of preferences among fags is the same as among straggots: very wide. Because male variability applies to this too.
You'll be fine. You're cute. Find love and enjoy.
Imo you should stay on hrt and find a guy willing to feminize you but, ultimately, it's your life so you do you.

>>44008513
This is based and pure and holy and everyone who desires this should get to enjoy it but unfortunately we live in a world where trannies are bullied into repression instead

>>44008558
>trannies are bullied into repression instead
sometimes we joke that I bullied her into repressing her masculinity. and I kinda did, but she wanted it even more than me so no regrets, lol.
i don't claim to know the inner workings of the minds of most trannies. I do know however that my wife is way happier now than when we met. And feminizing her has been an awesome experience for me. 10/10 more chasers should do what I did.

>>44008614
How old were both of you?

I think that's the hard part. Some of us start too late.

>>44008633
She was 23 (had started less than a year prior) and I was 31.
It helped a lot that our country doesn't have an age gap brainworm. 8-10 years age gaps are common and we consider americans weird for their obsessions.
>Some of us start too late
If you're under 40, it's not too late.
A chaser friend who has just moved in with his tranny gf who started at 28 and is now 30. I helped them unpack. Very cute chick. Well spoken, respectful. They'll do fine unless one of them really fucks it up or gets brainwormed.

>>44008679
Awww that's sweet. Idk if I'll ever truly make it. Too big and honnish and started at 25. Best I can hope for sometimes is estrogenized fag.

>>44005775
hi britmoder, i got linked here by a friend. my husband is essentially a homoflexible gay man whos entire history of partners consists of one cis female and a couple dozen twinks and trannies. in my experience gay men are often at least tolerant of boobs to some extent, and some like my husband really quite like them. i wont deny the idea of binding in public does hold a certain appeal, breasts at home but not in public, only problem is that harms their growth.

>i hate being treated as a fag by society, so ideally i'd be passing enough to publicly be seen as a woman but have a bf who treats me like a boy. for the record, i do feel dysphoria, but a lot of this is just at being ugly in general, and i'm an aap, so at this point i'm thinking this might be best
i completely get this, i used to be terrified of being viewed as anything other than a man by people and got very defensive over it. only problem is that this becomes very limiting as most peoples idea of a man is just the sad little straight jacket that is heteosexual masculinity. eventually i got so sick of being forced into that straight male box and putting up with heterosexual expectations that i concluded being maximally visible as a faggot was preferable to the alternative. its kind of bizarrely why i honmode in clothes that look like what a gay man would pick, i want to drive that wedge into peoples psyches that forces knowledge of gay male being into their thick little straggot skulls. sure i can play at being a woman, maybe i am one, idc, but maleness is something inalienable to my being.

>>44009187
>essentially a homoflexible gay man
you already said he's british

>>44009233
>cant read

>>44008754
Very much unironically the biggest hurdle for most is NOT their passability or even their potential passability. Also the age of starting isn't such a fixed thing either (as I'm sure you know).
The biggest hurdle absolutely is personality, at least to guys like me or my friend.
Notice what I said about my friend's new live-in gf: well-spoken, respectful, cute. Didn't mention anything about passability, hon status or any of that.
With love and patience a lot of that is much more easily fixable than you think. What's not fixable is shit-tier personality.
Don't be a bpdemon, don't be an extremist, don't be too self-hating (outside of mef contexts, that's hot) and be willing to actually become a functional life partner. These traits are far more useful both for you personally and for your prospects as a boywife (or w/e you will want to think of yourself).
The hot/crazy axis applies to fags and trannies too. You don't need to be the hottest tranny on the block. Be the sanest tranny on the block. That will take you much further in all aspects of life, including romantically.
You will not believe me now (understandably so, I'm just an anon), but I hope you find a guy you trust IRL to hammer this in.

>>44008754
True story: It was the winter-to-spring of 2017. She had just moved in with me and was a little bit behind the "schedule" (I was gently insisting that she'd be prepared to womanmode full time by the summer of 2017). So I inquired on why she's slacking and why she hasn't been seeing Mrs. X lately. Mrs. X is a good family friend now who helped her learn make-up and styling. She's a retired tailor so she was a very good help on killing body-related brainworms too.
Convo went like this:
>I'm ngmi. Too moided waah-waah
>yes you will. just like you learn to be my wife in bed, you will learn to be my wife in public too. we both need this and you know it
>do we? you'll leave me for a cis woman anyway
>I won't. But I will consider leaving you for another tranny who is willing to take the opportunity to be a wife instead of believing retards online and succumb to brainworms
>*gulp* oh... but...
>i don't care. You will call Mrs. X early in the morning and set up a meeting. Tell her you had a stomach bug or something. I don't want her thinking you're slacking
She did and that was the last time we had an argument over this issue. She did catch up and we "straight" moded in mid June of 2017 (and have been ever since).
Yes, she took a risk. But so did I. So did Mrs. X. So is my chaser friend now. Life is a lot of risk and hedging. But you gotta give it an honest short, Snoy.
I'm writing this because I've seen your posts on the board. You can make it, but you gotta cut down on self-doubt and neuroticism.
You got the basics right but damn it you sabotage yourself so much.

>>44009187
so right now you're fagmoding and people see you as a gay guy? unless i'm misreading i would hate to do that. better than acting like a straight guy? sure but still much worse than people seeing me as a woman

>>44008513
thank you, you're kind. where did you two meet?

>>44009849
>Don't be a bpdemon

>don't be an extremist

>don't be too self-hating (outside of mef contexts, that's hot)
i need to work on that one
>be willing to actually become a functional life partner

>>44010643
>so right now you're fagmoding and people see you as a gay guy?
im sort of in this woman/gay man super position that i can exploit as needed. certain circles favour one or the other, normies seem to prefer me as a gay guy and alt girls for some reason are strongly disposed to treating me as a woman and in some cases try to force use of female facilities on me.

>>44010852
and you're alright with this? or would you prefer something else?
also how did you and your husband meet if you don't mind me asking? i have basically 0 experience

>>44010934
>and you're alright with this? or would you prefer something else?
the specifics of my identity to me are less important than that i retain control of its meaning. I have no more interest in being a man on someone elses terms than i do a woman on someone elses terms. i am a gay man, which is to say i do not respect the concept and boundaries of heterosexual masculinity. i am a queer woman, which is to say i do not respect the concept and boundaries of heterosexual womanhood. to me all heterosexuals are closeted trannies, because they insist on offloading an aspect of their self onto other people. i despise that, and i wish to take it away from them, starting with their ability to force it onto me. if and when i pass as cis, im going to start wearing a he/him pronoun badge everywhere i go.

>also how did you and your husband meet if you don't mind me asking?
4chan gay furry thread

>>44008513
damn i want a husband like you

>>44009887
How do you think I sabotage myself?

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>>44011320
this is my amab, grass is greener, male socialised brain talking, but the "boundaries of heterosexual womanhood" are so much less to me. i won't pretend they don't exist, there's massive social pressure placed upon women to act and look certain ways. however, women get the option of being praised for opting out of these, and there's a much larger range of self expression that's acceptable in the eyes of society
i *crave* this, more than a lot of things. i say this as i'm sat in a bedroom i hate because it doesn't represent me, wear clothes designed to make me fade into the background, and self isolate myself to avoid social judgement. i understand this is just one positive aspect of womanhood and it's not like there aren't drawbacks, but not one single time in my life have i benefitted from "male privilege" as a short unattractive socially awkward faggot. my life would be just straight up improved from passing as a woman

>im going to start wearing a he/him pronoun badge everywhere i go.
based

>4chan gay furry thread
gigabased

>>44012626
>being praised for opting out of these
to clarify i know the praise is often insincere, however once enough conformity to beauty standards is achieved you can practically do whatever

>>44005775
I think its way more common to like pussy but not tits or female body attached to it otherwise.

>>44012626
i get what youre saying, but womanhood as i knew it as my family all but openly tried to force on me as a young child is nothing more than a cage. it mellows out in adulthood where you gain agency, but so much of it is comprised of restrictions and obligations that exist to benefit every single person but you. so much of this self expression they get is actually much more narrowly confined in practice than it appears, and theres no escape from violence among heterosexuals, only changes in kind. most women live in the decorated confines of an archetype they were told they had to belong to from birth, the price of deviating from which any keen observation will show is either social ostricisation at best or rape at worst.

that said, the territory of the female sex is one that has no business being confined to it, and part of what i want is to force AMABs into occupying those positions while mocking the meaning of the lines on the board, such that the lines on the board are slowly forgotten. the oppression of either sex is contingent on the meaning of the other.

Why is your tiktok photo Mario Ferreira dos Santos with the ancap flag on the back of it dude

>>44012827
i probably don't have enough life experience to fully comment on this but everyone has confines. your environment, upbringing, all place expectations on you and a lot of what you become depends on how much these are enforced, regardless of gender. if femininity is a cage, then masculinity is a prison where only the successful men are well, successful. i fear there's no solution to this, i mean, hell, men are biologically designed to be disposable and the gilded cage of women has been spoken about for at least as long as the Bible, "Your desire will be to usurp your husband, but he will rule over you."
and out of these two, i know what i'm choosing 10 times out of 10, especially in the modern day

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>>44012859
that's the sound image, not my pfp

anyone else horny and sleepy

>>44012968
lilith is a fine mentor, and nurse with wound makes for wonderful ambience, but these are still confines of a prescribed psyche that is not our own. do you not feel that you are alienated from heterosexuals in a way that precedes language and will forever guarantee your alienation so long as they have the capacity to imagine themselves real? beyond the division of sex and violence, beyond the spoken word as we know it, when every last book ever written is burned or forgotten, beyond reproduction, beyond binary genitals and known gene transcription, new species await to be lived in. dont you want that?

>>44013180
uhhhh, in English please/?

>>44013223
Britmoder how often do you engage with other gays and trannies irl?

>>44014496
not at all. i don't have a fagcent so there's no way to socially signal the fact i'm lgbt without forcing it
i feel alienated from everyone, not just straight people, because my lived experience as a gay guy started 6 months ago. even then i'm only out to my friends because again it's hard to socially signal

>>44013223
youre obviously young, naive, and just desperately looking for an avenue to live your life. eventually we all learn that straight people just dont want you to be able to do that, and will fuck you over no matter what choices you make. there are no winning moves for those who werent born into privilege. even passing as cis will become a new kind of hell if you let them control it.

>>44014545
i wouldn't be so quick to generalise. i won't deny our lives are cursed from the beginning, but as i start passing i'll begin to see myself as a straight woman rather than a gay man on hrt. obviously it won't fully go away, but i'm okay with that? i think i'll be fine conforming to the wills of straight people, after all i'll be one so it's whatever

>>44005775
>>44009887
Anon I love you
I hope you have a long and wonderful life

My experience was go from being out bifag to tranny
>none of the women in my friendgroup or family helped me learn clothes
>one of them gave me a 1 hour tutorial on eye makeup other than that nothing
>at least they pushed me to change my name and pronouns when my boobs got bigger than theirs

It sucks because eith the exception of 24-28 (I'm 35) I've always hung out with way more women than men and most of my friend groups are entirely women.
They cheer me on when my successes happen but I've begged for help for years (I'm no slouch on my own either) and have gotten little to no help.
I mainly want to pass better so my daughter doesn't get discrimated against one she gets to school age
>>44010852
Haha I relate to this a lot

>>44009887
Anon if you see this would you be okay giving me more personal advice? I know we've talked several times and I feel like I could learn a lot from you.

>>44015166
writing something but replying now so the thread doesn't die
>>44014798
>daughter
based. we're looking into surrogacy too.
I can't/don't claim to understand everything since I'm not a tranny or even a repper, but I am surprised to hear you've hanged out more with women and haven't gotten some help. My wife has made huge leaps by simply imitating at first some of her friends. it was/is a process, but seeing her flourish does tell me it can work.

>>44015793
Okay. If you'd like I can drop discord or something.

>>44015809
oh snoy i know it's completely unrelated but i've been meaning to ask for yours as well cause of how many of my threads just seem to be back and forths with you

>>44015961
Oh uh, sure! I'll drop it in a bit. Fair warning that I get chuddier on discord tho. I think I just gave up and became more malebrained idk what happened.

>>44015985
lol it's alright, so do i

>>44005775
Here is the problem. Suppose you're attracted to the guy on the left; the handsome masculine looking guy. But you look like the guy on the right. Gay men who look like the guy on the right do not get sex. So you transition. Now has your sexuality changed? What are you if you're not hsts?

>>44016025
>Now has your sexuality changed?
no

>>44016025
>>44005775
i literally did not notice it til you mentioned but holy shit the eye asymmetry

>>44011398
>>44015166
For starters, it's the needless self-hate.
"sometimes i think i'm a moid self-harming" (approximate quote from you). by itself, such feelings aren't good or bad. they just are. what is bad is the pressure you apply on yourself that you must have a permanent answer. it doesn't quite work like that and it's ok.
My wife is a failed faggot when we're horny, a firm manager when at work (store mg, nothing fancy), a well-spoken wife most of the times when we're in public, a flaming androgynous faggot when we go to festivals and an aunt when her brother and his kids visit us.
I'm a kinky dom perv fag when we're horny, a smart chud at work (engineering in logistics), a gentleman most of the time in pubilc, a flaming bear when we go to fests and the wise uncle in law when her brother's kids come to visit.
In other words: both of us have multiple (and routinely conflicting) identities sometimes in the same day. And that's okay. Most functional people are like that, actually. Life and existence in the world is to a certain extent about wearing multiple hats (or masks, or both).
There's nothing wrong with questioning and changing, but there is something damaging in making all of this your personality and constantly amplifying the neuroticism. The more neuroticism means less trying and less living.
Back in '16 I had multiple arguments like these with Mrs. Anon. She yearned to be my wife at home, but had a million doubts about being in public (the opposite of the board's stereotype where the "chaser" insists on not being public). The way we fixed it was by me insisting that neither of us know for sure until we try. And nothing catastrophic happens if we don't like it. We can try again slightly differently. Trial and error is most of life anyway.
You think I knew from age 12 that I want to marry a boymoder tranny to mold her into my wife? lol no. It was trial and error for me too. Lots of error in fact. Both on my part and on my exes' part. Such is life.
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>>44015166
And this is another point where imo you're sabotaging yourself. You ruminate way too much on your past and on your regrets (many of them legitimate, but also many exaggerated). Be that as it may, it would do you a lot of good to just accept that you can't change the past. What's done is done. You can (and should) learn from the past but focus on what you can change: which is yourself now and alter the future trajectory.
Take for instance your obsession with age of starting. You can't change that. iiwii and all you can do is work better/more from this point on. you can't go back to change things no matter how much mental energy you spend thinking about it. but you can make things worse for yourself by dwelling on what you can't change because in the process you waste precious time you could be using to change what you can change. idk if this makes sense, my native tongue is obviously not English.
You have a bf (iirc). You could focus on spending more time with him and figure out faster if things can work out. And if things can work out, move faster in the direction of you two living together. That's what I did with my now wife. We moved in together in just a few months after we met. I did the same with the previous tranny gf in fact. Even if it didn't work out, I'm still glad I gave the relationship an honest shot and in the end it taught both of us a realistic perspective on what we want(ed) and what's achievable. She's now been with a butch tranny for 7 years and benefitted enormously from what she learned from me about structure, discipline and chiling tf out (her words, we've been on speaking terms for a few years now, she even visited us with her de facto wife).
Ultimately, the most personalized advice I can give to you is to chill tf out and live life. Yes, it's not easy, and ik a thing or 2 about that (even tho the stereotype about men like me isn't kind), but all the other alternatives are worse both for you and for your potential partners.
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>>44015985
>I think I just gave up and became more malebrained
there's the self-hate. you wrote it as I was trying to format my responses.
for crying out loud, none of this matters anywhere near as much as you make it out to be. most people are a mixture of "fembrain" and "malebrain" of interests, mannerisms, etc. trannies are just an even more different (and to me interesting and lovely) mosaic/mixture.
Embrace it instead of constantly hating it. It's what makes you you.

>>44016134
I've gotten better about not ruminating on the past, thankfully, but it still hurts a lot when looking at how it screws me in the present.

Even just seeing things that would have been wildly different if I had started at 17 like body hair is really frustrating, even if I am maintaining forward momentum.

But it's getting better. Just hoping it'll be worth it in the end, and juggling best ways to move forward. Can't move in with bf yet because of my job. Make too much money I need to be able to afford stuff to move in with him and lose my job, and I hate leaving work unfinished. It's weird.

>>44016168
Oh no it's turned into the weird irony poisoning stuff I used as my coping mechanism during repper years. Like sure I'm malebrained but it doesn't send me spiraling like it did a year ago. Just makes me sad sometimes.

>>44016168
Also I really would be interested in talking w/ you on discord for a more private conversation. Need some specific advice re: my boyfriend.

>>44016025
>Gay men who look like the guy on the right do not get sex.
Bullshit lmao

>>44016254
>discord
respectfully, no.
Not only I never had discord, but never wish to have one either. And I doubt i will ever have time for long convos anyway since I work long hours and soon enough we're going on a vacation. It's also late here in Europe and I'll be heading to sleep soon.
Moreover, observing how discord people (of any kind) end up functioning, I regard that place axiomatically toxic.
Still, you can drop me a line at grg_d2026[at]proton.me
I can't promise I answer today or tomorrow, but I usually do answer in a matter of days.
Here's another personalized advice: spend a lot less time online. Especially now that it's summer.

>>44016579
Sent an email! Thank you.

>>44015985
okay i'm sleeping very soon snoy so i'll just publicly drop my disc. it's brokenpinky_

>>44017033
Sent!