>>44021243
are you okay with growing out of it when you're like 30

Unless you're willing to devote every waking moment to fighting testosterone tooth and nail it's really the only option.

>>44021243
My plans to starvemaxx and take finasteride.

>>44021243
Take prog a year after you start hrt. You'll get your libido back but it will be a woman's libido so a bit different (might like men more). Also there are some stuff you can take like raloxifene to stop breast growth, but breasts are nice you should try em.

>>44021253
I'm 32 and I still get mistaken for a woman at times

>>44021359
i'm talking about normal males

>>44021243
I'll tell you everything I know that could stunt it
>be and stay low bf%
>take serms
>use spiro as AA
>piomaxx early to stop duct growth

>>44021284
>accelerate twink death
yeh u are retarded.

>>44021352
You are literally trying to get anon to grow milkers how fuck you are evil LMAO

>>44021390
Not telling the to, I literally also reccomended a way to not get milkers. Just saying, the majority of men on hrt and trans women like having tits so they may like tits.

Ngl my libido is still pretty high after trooning out and I'm like 8 years in now.

>>44021243
>breast growing
Most users of estrogen (70% up to 90%, depending which study you trust) get chest growth below or at the lowest cup.
If you add a SERM, you'll be fine.
>libido destroying
That's a bit trickier because it depends on several factors, such as what AA (if any) you are using (bica is more friendly to libido but encourages breast growth) and, quite frankly, genetic luck.
Me and a friend got on hrt for the same reason of looksmaxxing in 2019. My libido is ~90% of what it used to be while his is about 50% and he also sometimes experiences pain during erections while I don't. Nearly identical BMI, the exact same dosages until recently (he started tinkering with them this year) and yet wildly different outcomes in this department.
>32
>wat do
At 32 your only realistic option is to try hrt. You're way past the time when dutamaxxing and skincare alone could do most of what you needed at lower risks.
I'm 35 and only recently I started noticing what an immense difference it makes. When I started at 28 it seemed it wasn't a big deal. 7 years later the other guys my age look older, some of them even started having natural white hairs or bald spots.

>>44021483
Ok but most of those studies also measured people with less than 2 years of hrt, often under 1 year. No shit most of them didn't grow shit yet.

>>44021549
whatever growth you get plateaus around year 3 anyway.
i sabotaged the process by doing intermittent dosages and avoiding prog. then added raloxifene for a few months and then didn't bother controlling the process afterwards.
my booba is smaller than half of the cis men around my age that i see on the street.
look, i'm not saying there is no growth. what i am saying is that it's nowhere near such a big issue as one might be tempted to think before starting.

>>44021243
Location dependent but u could get them removed

>>44021597
It really depends on person to person. Plenty of people had that plateu, some said they had more growth than the previous year for 5 years. It also depends because Spiro hurts your breast growth but most people take pills. I think if you went on prog and increased your e dose you could get breast growth even after 3 years. Op can do what you did to avoid breast growth tho.

>>44021483
All the women in my family have huge tits so I'm a bit afraid I might set off a genetic bomb

Also even though I'm over 30 most people who know me would clock me as mid-late 20s and act shocked when they find out my age

I'm a bit afraid to dive deeper into skincare since I am allergic so most stuff burns and swells my skin, I've been to dermatologists but they are fucking useless so it's mostly skin benefits I'm after

>>44021655
Ralox
or just self acceptance or something whatever those "gay erasure" weirdos say idk

>>44021669
more like hairline erasure, or twink erasure...

>>44021655
>so it's mostly skin benefits I'm after
get on dutasteride yesterday.
re-evaluate in 6 months. maaaaybe you're lucky enough.
if not, then raloxifene and estrogen since you're allergic to most skincare stuff and say women in your family have huge tits.
raloxifene is hard to find but it's very efficient at the job of sabotaging booba on hrt.
also to sabotage boob growth, do as i did: gel (gynokadin) as it's waaaay safer than pills but also allows you a much higher degree of control over the dosage than injections. Use bica as AA but keep the dosage lower (this also sabotages boob growth over the long run).
in the first three years I took 50mg bica every 5 or 7 days. just enough to block the effects of T, but not enough to trigger the loop for long enough for aromatization to give me booba.
it's a trial and error process (because the medical establishment hates men that want to be cute) but the good news is that the timeline to correct an error is very long (weeks to months).
>Also even though I'm over 30 most people who know me would clock me as mid-late 20s and act shocked when they find out my age
doesn't quite matter. at 32 your puberty growth processes are long behind you. which btw is also good news for you because that in itself sabotages boob growth.

>>44021413
Same. It's such a stoopid psyop. I'm so glad I stayed away from places like here before I transitioned. Even most of the popular trans discords and subreddits were full of so much misinformation people started to treat me as problematic and argumentative for responding with actual facts and trying to help those who were still on the fence since many people do infact enjoy sex. It's such a tough position to be in when there are those who have legit genital dysphoria or sexists views regarding genitsls, trying to be sympathetic toward it, and the thought of a libedo or not getting erectile dysfunction triggers it so they end up lashing out or turning their nose up at you

>>44021738
I mean to be fair it absolutely nuked my sex drive in like a week.

>>44021723
That's not how hrt works at any age. There is no magical growth hormone that can't be synthesized. In fact a trans woman who starts at 60 is going to have a fine set of boobs since they haven't spent the last 40 trying to burrow to the center of the earth. Take e and prog and roll those dice since it all comes down to genetics. There is a reason why some cis women get BAS or BRS.

>>44021742
It's not unheard of but it's quite rare and is often caused by many other factors, often depression. Do cisgendered women have no sex drive outside of their menstrual cycles? Of course not.

>>44021769
>Take e and prog
sorry but no.
prog is what turbospeeds boob growth.
>In fact a trans woman who starts at 60 is going to have a fine set of boobs
not really, no. that's just not how this works.
yes, there is no growth hormone that can't be synthesized. but that's exactly what I'm advising OP: to avoid stuff that WOULD synthesize that in his body.
there's a reason youngshits have far nicer and bigger boobs than those trooning after 25.
yes, genetic luck plays a role, but it's not the only role and there are in fact steps one can take to mitigate effects one doesn't want.

>>44021742
nta but it didn't come back at all after a few months? that's... odd.
>>44021785
>caused by many other factors, often depression
nta but you hit the nail in the head with this.
depression is in itself an endocrine nuke. adding an endocrine hack ('cause that's what hrt is) on top of it will of course cause further disruption.

>>44021723
Now where do I get dutasteride though, especially if I live in a country where even trannies struggle to find doctors that will give them 'mones

>>44021791
That is objectively false and I would kindly ask you to do further research upon the subject since breast growth can absolutely be a point of distress for some trans women. Age has zero effect upon breast growth which is why it's often referred to a second puberty. Yes there are certain things which are unavoidable past a certain age but hrt doesn't offer a guarantee for that either since hrt will not change your genetics. Things that can be dysmorphic for any woman, trans or not. Show a little bit of tact.

>>44021839
>Show a little bit of tact.
I won't. because OP is not a trans woman. Nor am I. And the conversation is explicitly NOT about trans women. You are responding to an argument I never made.
Try to read the conversation before you insert yourself into.
>age has zero effect upon breast growth
this is simply not true.
yes, everyone gets SOME growth, but youngshits get far more and faster. this isn't controversial anywhere.