>>44023387
This except I didn't get number 4 and just thought I was degenerate and gross

After the delayed puberty though I really moided out and heavily overcompensated for it. Went from extremely sensitive to really abrasive.

>>44023387
Every male that's ever lived has been bullied for being "gay." It's called going to middle school.

>>44023387
yup checks out, good deductions op. What will you do next and why does any of this matter?
I miss my male friends so much
-troon

>>44023724
I just wanted to flex that I have absurdly high social intelligence because I am a chinaman

I will use these skills to rule the entire world

Then I will build a tranny country, and hidweh anon will be my wife in the new world order

I will build the next Singapore/China
>>44023615
Makes sense
>>44023645
there's joking with friends and then there's people who just want to mess with me because I was a femboy

they also made fun of me for having a high voice and asked when my balls will drop

>>44023387
I don't hate gays, don't have internalized homophobia, didn't get bullied for gay specifically, wasn't conservative, didn't have a girl ship me with my friend, was possessive and jealous though
Cry baby, voice didn't start to drop til 15-16 i think? Had gyno boobs, always ugly

>>44023975
I didn't realize I had slight internalized homophobia until I was older and I think you're quite young. Gays have maladaptive behaviors. It's not exactly their fault, but that's how it is in abject reality.

>wasn't conservative
Perhaps the environment could have been a bit, or your parents. I am asian. The socialization coming from environmental factors impacts your decision making.

>didn't get bullied for gay specifically
Might be a generational difference.

>Cry baby, voice didn't start to drop til 15-16 i think? Had gyno boobs, always ugly
So you're even more trans, I believe transness is largely genetic determinism. You're all extremely low T and high E. You might be the younger brother of another male, in which case fraternal birth order makes you more likely to be gay. Then most of you have an estrogenic 2D4D index ratio on your fingers.

>>44023387
I'm not crying
You're crying

>>44024034
I'm 25, so idk if that counts as young for your theory depending on how old you are
I was in the southern U.S, so it was pretty conservative, but gay people weren't bullied at the same time it was weird mix of regular life and conservative
I'm the 4th in birth order if you count miscarriages and 2nd if not, tho I don't remember if any were male or female
My index ratio is female and I have one older sister

I didnt have 6 or 10, I was way too skinny to get gyno

>>44023387
I fit all of these except gyno boobs (I think) and although I'm a bishit I would not date men
what does this say about me OP

>>44024034
Nope, checked my genetics. Average T but very high aromatization into E + sensitive ESR1 receptors.

Am a younger brother but the older one turned transbian.

>>44024091
>>44024083
it means you were malnourished but if you ate more you'd get gyno, wanting to be trans is a high E behavior

>>44024080
I think every 5 years is a very drastic generational difference, older zoomers cannot relate to young zoomers at all. You can divide generations by 3, to make 3 mini generations within them.

For example, and old millennial may have experienced a very rough economy, and graduated into a brutal labor market, a younger millennial may have graduated at the exact right time and had a great life with no disruption.

>>44024137
You're very right about 5 years making a difference. That's the difference between only seeing Susan's Place hons and pornstars at the start of puberty vs seeing actual passoids.

t. older gen z

>>44024137
>it means you were malnourished but if you ate more you'd get gyno, wanting to be trans is a high E behavior
does this mean I'm trutrans, I just figured I was an AGP luckshit or something

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I never had gyno because I was like 18 bmi for most of my life but everything else is pretty accurate

>>44024137
>>44024162
Yeah, I was tail end of the first third for gen Z, I never knew what susan's place was, Jazz jennigs wasn't a thing yet
Got stuck in the middle years after sissy boomerhons and before youngshits

>>44024226
how old are you and when did you troon? sounds a bit like me honestly, when I trooned susan's was like a ghostly remnant of the past we talked about in hushed whispers and /tttt/ was still fairly new

>>44024247
25, Trooned at the end of being 17
If I'd known earlier it wouldn't have changed much tho. Religious conservative parents, even informed consent needed dual permission for E so an AA or blocker if lucky to convince one of them
Honestly I fucked up by being friends with girls online and using /b/
Most of them just want to convince u to be a femboy and say ur cute without saying "u should be a girl" or smth
Maybe more dudes calling me a girly faggot would've helped who knows

>>44024301
ah okay yeah, I'm 28 and trooned at 18 once I found out hrt existed when I was 17. Before then I had flashes of recognition I had GD but thought all you could do was honmode crossdress 24/7 and would rather have roped.

It's interesting back then 18 was still pretty much treated as youngshit. Almost nobody got HRT before that except in a few cases where they came out of the womb with tranny stamped on their forehead.

I sort of wish I had known earlier so I could be a youngshit but I know it's almost impossible that I could've gotten HRT before 18 so I would've just experienced it all consciously and powerless. At least I'm stealth now so it worked out ig.

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>>44024137
I didnt have low testosterone or high estrogen tho

>>44024356
Could be androgen insensitivity.

>>44024346
27. I grew up really sheltered though so that was part of it. Religious school and all. Realized something was up at 11/12 after being a faggy boy growing up, then was scared off by Susan's Place and COGIATI and all of that. Basically just considered myself a weird fem thing but puberty destroyed me so tried to kms at 14 before just trying to be a man.

Almost transitioned at 17 but thought I was too far gone and I had to be the responsible child so I waited until 25.

>>44024356
that's ok, if it's a legitimate tranny the body has a way of shutting that stuff down regardless of levels
I think I had 350 ng/dl pre-hrt

>>44023387
>we were bullied for being gay
you can be effeminate without being bullied if you live in a good environment
>we denied it kinda because being gay was shameful back in the day
anyone as a child would deny such accusations because most kids don't think about sex as a real thing only as a label
>this created a sense of internalized homophobia
most kids are afraid of a boogieman title, you don't have to be something to not want to be dogpiled on with accusations
>we also all realize most gays are degenerate and gross people
the gay men that aren't are invisible to the naked eye and people just assume we're straight especially women
>we were at least slightly conservative at one point
parents tend to be conservative and people usually imitate the value of their parents until they're old enough to form their own judgement
>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
girls ship everything because women have no moral fiber in their being
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
being afraid of losing your best friend is a natural reaction to fear of loss even if it is just perceived
>we were crybabies
pass
>we all had delayed puberty
shit genes
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
pass
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
common for high estrogen males that got mogged on by not being the first born male or by being born out of a graveyard pussy

>>44023387
>we were bullied for being gay
>we denied it kinda because being gay was shameful back in the day
yes
>this created a sense of internalized homophobia
shit, probably. I liked guys but knew better than to tell anyone

>we also all realize most gays are degenerate and gross people
no
>we were at least slightly conservative at one point
I was a filthy liberal then and my politics haven't changes

>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
I didn't have any male friends after a point, just on occasion I met a guy who didn't instantly want to kill me
sadly, they'd get bullied just for existing in proximity to me; in middle school a guy and I were getting fake love letters signed only with eachother's initials. The perpetrators kept this up for two months so that when we'd finally meet on the last day of school an entire class worth of kids could collectively call us gay
I don't know which I hate worse, the proactive homophobia or that they played with our hearts

>we were crybabies
yes
>we all had delayed puberty
in my case, yes
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
11 and it never went away. caught hell in the locker room
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
my dysphoria, depression, and absence of self-esteem were so bad that I couldn't recognize it

wasnt conservative just a bit of a prude

oh and no gyno at all

>>44024034
>I didn't realize I had slight internalized homophobia until I was older
same. also didnt recognize i was possessive of my friends till way after.

>>44024137
>malnourished
tru i guess. just skinny

>>44024162
u type like millennial

>>44026024
I used to always use formal writing and only over time have I gotten less formal.

Though this board is turning me into a chud.

>>44023387
1: yeah somewhat
2: yeah i convinced myself i was straight
3: yeah
4: more like i hated them because i blamed them for me being associated with them
5: yeah went down alt right youtube pipline back in 2016
6: if they did then I didn't know about it
7: not that I remember but i was like protective of them
8: i was mostly numb like i didnt even feel bad when my grandma died. i would cry at like really stupid stuff occasionally though like teacher getting angry i didnt do my homework
9: nah i was already like 6ft in 8th grade lol
10: nope
11: more like skinny nerd looking boy idk about pretty my parent never let me grow my hair out so maybe i could have looked nice.

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>>44026109
neurology activation tests suggest otherwise

>>44026215
what does this mean?

>>44026266
>>44026339
it's neuron activation patterns in response to stimulus. There have been nearly 100 such studies since 1976, comparing how transgender people's brains react to stimuli compared to cisgendered people brains of either sex. These studies uniformly support the theory that transgender people have brains much more closely matching the common neurological structures of their experienced gender, rather than their birth sex
in this particular study the stimulus is images of their own body, modified by a computer to be either more masculine or feminine. In both trans and cis people, there is high activity in response to a body matching their experienced gender and low activity in response to the opposite gender
this test accounted for a wide range of ages including children as young as 10, and also accounted for whether transgender participants had started HRT. In nearly all cases, the trans person's brain responded with high activity in response to their body as the opposite sex
other tests might include measuring pheromone responses known to have different reactions between males and females, various images with measurable differences, etc

>>44023387
No to all of those things actually
Ofc you just want to shift the category over so that if someone doesn't relate it turns out they aren't trutrans they're ackshully fake fat traggit crossies

>>44026670
HSTS are all like this, almost all AGPs are like this too. I like AGPs. If you don't relate to any of this, you might have rogd, but I don't have an issue with your trans identity. You might be more nonbinary.

>>44026109
I mean kind of yeah. I don't want to be a gay guy, they are disgusting hypersexual mentally ill faggots that give each other STDs and do drugs and die an early death. I wouldn't want to be loved as a man. I'm the next stage of evolution and you're a primitive subhuman that will go extinct. What is there to be proud of in your life, faggot?

>>44023387
Relatable except for gyno

>>44023387
almost all "nos"
guess im a fat chud fake trans :')

>>44023387
Weirdly accurate.
I had a phase where girls would tell me im pretty and ask to paint my nails. Also had a crush of my guy best friend since highschool but hated myself for it. Also had A cup boobs briefly at 14 due to hormonal imbalance.

it's ok to be gay without taking estrogen

>>44027058
Of course it is but I want to be gay with estrogen

>>44027133
i want to be gay with ur mom

>>44027058
stop trying to give us AIDS faggot

>>44027133
try being gay without it
how bad could it be?

>>44027149
She's lesbian (possibly poonrepper)

>>44027200
Less than ideal

>>44027200
f off you STD ridden aids monkey

>>44027211
that's fine i'm a woman

>>44027261
a stupid one with subhuman levels of intelligence

>>44027058
I don't mind being a cute fag, but i like being a cute fag on estrogen more.

>>44027451
Don't be mean
>>44027261
Okay but she's like 55

>>44027451
your mom is next

>>44027502
because homophobia prevents gay men from enjoying their lives unless they become castrated goycattle to get women to be fake nice to them for submitting to the Matriarchy

>>44027599
Why is this my problem and why should I change my life and happiness for your personal selfish needs, stupid? Are you dumb?

>>44027599
Gincel, I think you're just a repper trying to convince himself hes happier as a man. I cant imagine gay men caring about troons this much

>>44023387
>>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
this part no i was flat before hrt

>>44027729
you might be low t but also low E

my moobs were a handful and my friends tried to touch them to make fun of me

Men also generally sexually harassed me for no reason jokingly

>>44027899
>Men also generally sexually harassed me for no reason jokingly
this happened to me as well
getting my ass groped, nipples pinched, pulled into their laps and stuff
if I were accepting of my bisexuality at the time I would've thought it was hot maybe but instead it just made me only able to feel comfortable being with women

>>44023387

>we were bullied for being gay
nope
>we denied it kinda because being gay was shameful back in the day
n/a
>this created a sense of internalized homophobia
yes but for different reasons
>we also all realize most gays are degenerate and gross people
nope
>we were at least slightly conservative at one point
nope, kys faggot
>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
a few times
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
nope
>we were crybabies
yes, got made fun of a lot for this
>we all had delayed puberty
yes
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
nope
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
yerp

>>44023387
>we were bullied for being gay
among other things
>we denied it kinda because being gay was shameful back in the day
obviously im not gonna commit social suicide
>this created a sense of internalized homophobia
not really, i just never felt like a gay man, even when i would watch porn with only guys in it i considered myself straight
>we also all realize most gays are degenerate and gross people
alot of straights r too
>we were at least slightly conservative at one point
sadly
>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
never
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
bpd
>we were crybabies
only slightly
>we all had delayed puberty
try early puberty lol
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
yes + obviously i was insecure about it
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
never

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>>44023387
>we were bullied for being gay
Most trannies never experienced this, since they're agp creeps who want to use their penis on cis women.
They'll never experience what it's like to be despised by society for loving who you love.

>>44028746
I got bullied for being gay and I didn't troon out. Yeah, if I were a woman I wouldn't be bullied for liking men but you can't change gender, you just can break your dick and balls with chemicals or knives.

>>44028803
>I got bullied for being gay and I didn't troon out.
Then why are you replying to me? Can you not read?

>>44029017
it makes homophobia worse when bullied gays troon out
you can be gay without pretending your gender is the issue

>>44029037
Why is this my problem and why should I change my life and happiness for your personal selfish needs, stupid? Are you dumb?

Why are you so low IQ?

>>44028111
you ain't trutrans sorry sir

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>>44029037
>you can be gay without pretending your gender is the issue
Okay, but I'm not gay. I was never comfortable with dating anyone until I was a woman.

>>44029490
keep misgendering me im so close

>>44029684
cuz of your internalized homophobia

>>44029717
sir stop being a creep sir you're raping me i don't consent

>>44029733
Explain what you mean by that

>>44023387
>we were bullied for being gay
yes
>we denied it kinda because being gay was shameful back in the day
yes
>this created a sense of internalized homophobia
idk, probably not
>we also all realize most gays are degenerate and gross people
no
>we were at least slightly conservative at one point
maybe, i don't know
>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
no, i don't remember anything, i think nobody cared
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
absolutely yes
>we were crybabies
yes
>we all had delayed puberty
yes
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
yes except i didn't really care
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
no

t. 27 y.o. eastern european tranny, started hrt at 15 and almost got killed by my parents because of that

>>44030003
how is it being an eastern european tranny

>>44023387
>we were bullied for being gay
kids would try that but I would just unresponsively stare back at them with my mentally disturbed repper stare and they would get freaked out and leave me alone lol
>we denied it kinda because being gay was shameful back in the day
yeah
>this created a sense of internalized homophobia
kinda
>we also all realize most gays are degenerate and gross people
yeah but I realized that was just a vocal minority later on
>we were at least slightly conservative at one point
more than slightly...
>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
no everybody shipped me with this autistic girl I would talk to sometimes, though honestly I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're FtM now
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
nah I'm not a clingy person, I always just wanted the best for them
>we were crybabies
not really, I was always pretty reserved
>we all had delayed puberty
yeah
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
yeah but I loved them and got depressed when they went away. I used to rub them at night because I read somewhere not to do that because it would make them bigger
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
I couldn't see myself as pretty but girls did like me

>>44031642
pros:
easy access to DIY
cons:
increases your chances of being murdered by your own parents

>>44023387


>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
girls never shipped me with anyone. Girls never really actively engaged with me if I didn't engage first.
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
No? My best friend was just a guy that I hung out with a lot. Well, was a guy anyways lmfao
>we all had delayed puberty
Nope, but I was always twinkish in general pre-transition.
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
Nope, never had boobs before hrt.
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
I was a pretty ugly dude. Also, gross and slightly pedophilic statement

Everything else kinda fits but then again like 5 of the first points can be summed up as "I grew up vaguely conservative and thus was closeted for a long time"

>>44023387
1. Only mildly which was the thing for the time
2. Never denied it nor was a girl the first I came out to
3. Never had homophobia
4. Never felt gays are gross other than how misogynistic the older gays are
5. Never raised conservative. The schools were and essentially did unlawful conversion therapy on me
6. No idea. Maybe?
7. Can't deny that. I would cry a lot and I was punished by the school until something just broke in me. Now it's tough to cry.
8. I have a mild form of AESX so kinda. Puberty technically was early in a growth spurt but not actual puberty. That was delayed
9. Had them younger than that. They remained pretty small to not raise concern from the doctor but I never had a flat chest even though I was a lanky string bean. Lactation.
10. Not sure if I was considered pretty but I was androgynous compared to other kids and look like all the females in my family while the males might as well be another species.

>>44034293
>gross and slightly pedophilic statement
It's an objective statement of reality for the vast majority of trans experience. Sexualizing it is what makes it pedophilic. Not a single person in the thread interpreted it this way until you did. Sounds like you are projecting yourself on others.

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>1
barely, moids hit me a bit but most of the time i was protected by cis girl friends
>2
i never came out but also never denied being gay it was implied
>3
i was a fujo
>4
got groomed and abused groomers but was still a huge fujo obsessed with and idealizing gays
>5
asigned woke at birth
>6
yes, but he was gay and i had a crush on him
>7
yes!
>8
cried alot but dad beat me when i did so i stopped at some point
>9
i think so, but might misremember
>10
no
>11
ED made me look very sick so i dont think i was pretty

guess im faketrans

>>44034903
nah I say you're valid anyway

almost all of my tranny friends had these traits, I've been gathering data over the years. Some people from my generation are a little more trans because we transitioned back in the day before it was cool for younger zoomers to do it and become youngshits. We had to find information the old school way.

>>44035014
i wanted to transition before 2016 but got convinced not to by my first bf :/ idk if that gives me some kind of truetans bonuspoints

>>44035211
trutrans is a spectrum, you're trans enough

I transitioned literally because I fell in love with a man but being a gay man is uncomfortable.

>we were bullied for being gay
not really, even when i wore my mlp shirt to school lol...
>we denied it kinda because being gay was shameful back in the day
i was outwardly a fruitcake in middle school
>this created a sense of internalized homophobia
n/a
>we also all realize most gays are degenerate and gross people
no...
>we were at least slightly conservative at one point
yes because of my parents
>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
this might have happened. i don't remember
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
no
>we were crybabies
no
>we all had delayed puberty
yes
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
yes lol except i got them at 11 and had to wait for everything else
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
yes. if i had been interested in dating ppl i literally could have had a harem in high school kek there were three girls and two guys that had crushes on me...

>>44035211
Trannies being convinced by partners to not transition is unfortunately very common.

>>44023387
None of this applies to me except being mildly conservative

>>44035304
the more hsts you are the more you have in common with me

>>44035240
yay!

>>44023387
everything but a pretty boy

>44023387
Wrong on everything, very impressive

>girls shipped us with our male best friend in a yaoi way
more than that, one got off on me being subby for men and dangled femininity in front of me like a carrot because i had no other resources
>we were possessive and jealous about our male best friends
yes there was one who i wanted to be their best friend who they called to hang out every day in the summer and who they called their little buddy and i loved them being protective of me, and i hated anyone who successfully took their attention away from me
>we were crybabies
so much that my mom would pin me against the wall to shove valium down my throat to shut me up
>we all had delayed puberty
yes, i looked like an 8th grader until the end of my senior year
>we all had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure about them
it was right around after high school when i got mine.... but yes
>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
my therapist called me a pretty boy and laughed when i was prehrt and said i felt hopeless at passing if i transitioned

>>44023387
>bullied for being gay
Yes, but not a lot. The middle school amount
>we denied it
Only until I had a lot of friends. After, I dated guys openly
>internalized homophobia
No
>gays are degenerate and gross people
Ew, no. I get where you're coming from but it's more complicated than that. If you paid attention, you knew
>conservative at one point
Not even a little. I used to be friendlier towards conservatives, tho. Now I'm just respectful and polite at baseline, more careful about the trusting part
>girls shipped us with our male best friend
That did happen but it was funny. He wasn't my type. We played gay chicken and he won, like all the time, because he knew the trick. If your gay best friend doesn't want to get turned on by you and you're straight, you automatically win gay chicken, because you can advance to each next move without meaning anything. After he admitted he knew that, I kinda got more competitive for a bit, then realized there was no hope.
>possessive and jealous about male best friends
I was almost never possessive of friends, male or female. Sensitive to being neglected, or shit on behind my back, yes. Possessive of them spending time with others without me, no. I don't like parties without my freaks + geeks. Take your normie party friends. If you want me to come to the after-party with board games, I will get drunk and tell embarrassing stories about you though.
>we were crybabies
Correct. I cried EASY, and I had no shame about it. I said being sensitive took strength and you'd all get it someday. Not at life though, at media.
>we all had delayed puberty
Yes, but that's just the ADD meds tho
>>had gyno boobs at 13-14 then got insecure
Yes. Kinda insecure, kinda proud. Blush like the happiest bitch about it
>>we were probably pretty boys at one point after getting a very delayed puberty
Very briefly, yes. I had a slight following of crushes in high school times, of both genders. Was a little weird. They kept tryna use my bff as a liaison

>>44038176
yes, dysphoria is code for internalized homophobia
a lot of bullying is quite subtle and it's more like leaving you out of stuff vs beating the shit out of you

>>44037979
>>my therapist called me a pretty boy and laughed when i was prehrt and said i felt hopeless at passing if i transitioned
T-T you're lucky. My therapist in hs kept telling me how "girls have broad shoulders too" "girls can be real tall too" and it got me like bricks I just repped about hrt until I was nearly 30.

>>44038199
Nah I'm one of those NBs who says it's automatically gay to be into me. If I'm dating a man, I'm doing it in a dude way. I'm probably topping him, too. I know like 60-70% of "HSTS" trutrans girls around here can't stand my type and dw me to talk to them, but that's on them.

(Yes I'm contradicting myself. That's the internalized transphobia and nbphobia duking it out. I like being gay tho.)

>>44038199
Dysphoria often coexists with it but they're not one and the same. Dysphoria didn't come from being ashamed to be into men. I was more terrified to be into men as a woman than to be into men as a boy.

>>44038478
it's one and the same
if gay people were accepted, nobody would "transition"

>>44038491
Not even answering me. No easy script, bot? .-.

>>44038491
if gay people were accepted I'd have trooned out so much earlier

do you think I transitioned so I would have *less* access to dick?

>>44038513
I am not a robot.

>>44038625
99% of gay men are closeted

>>44023387
almost none of these apply to me

>>44038625
Not literally, perhaps, but you're depth of understanding other people is lacking and your script is rigid and self-centered projection. I meant it as an insult.

>>44038453
rip
I mean, she's right and I have a cisf friend who is both of those but she also has model proportions in other ways, so i know it can really feel like hugboxing that doesn't address your points when they say that

>>44039355
I support all trans women, but you have to admit the amount of responses I got affirming my theory is very high. These are the ubiquitous traits of most trans women, this is a template.