State mandated torture

>>44026870
how do uk laws manage to appeal to literally no one?

If done properly and doesn't equate to forced repression, then good.
If Cognitivo Behavioural Therapy gets to the point where it manages to heal the brain as a replacement for the equivalent of lobotomy that is the permanent damage to the body done through transitioning, then I'm all for it.

I doubt it got to that point yet, though.
Also the UK has more pressing matters to deal with prolly

>>44026955
No, its Orwellian.

So they say its a conversion therapy ban, BUT conversion therapy is defined as helping someone transition

There is also no conversion therapy if its performed as healthcare. So taking away medication, forcing someone to detransition, thats not only permitted, but enforced.

Its extremely horrible legislation, thought up by people with pure malice in their soul

>>44026969
I'd take a lobotomy if it cured gender dysphoria tbhon, more effective than therapy that's for sure.

transgenderism is literally anti-gay conversion therapy
banning hrt saves gays from castration
the uk is one of very few countries with decent gay rights willing to protect gays from the medical establishment trying to sterilize them

>>44026969
Just say you are evil and want to torture people. I mean, trans people wont stop existing, we dont even need the nhs.

But i dont understand how you can have such hatred inside you, what has happned to make you this way

>>44027025
I don't think it should be the case.
The brain is by far the most plastic and malleable part of the body, whereas the rest of the body is way less plastic and malleable. Forcefully changing it brings irreparable damage to it.
The mind can be damaged by insane trauma and still heal, somehow.

It's just that for some retarded reason research on such therapy is banned in most western countries, and done poorly in others (Not through scientific means)

>>44027035
What has happened in your life to make you like this?

>>44027079
sorry that I'm against gay genocide
excuse me

>>44027092
Please answer, whats happened in your life?

>>44027056
I have no hatred inside me, I really don't.
I genuinely believe that this would be the best outcome. I'm sorry the world is so fucked up and that humans have such a tendency towards inflicting pain on others due to ignorance or selfishness.

>>44027071
All I know is I've been in therapy for over a year and it personally hasn't helped with the dysphoria. If by some miracle a therapy method or cure for it existed I'd be all for it.
>>44027101
It's just gincel being retarded again.

Glad to see gay people suffer. We told you it would happen, retards

>>44027152
when hrt gets banned for adults it's gonna be so satisfying

>>44027109
>I genuinely believe

Yes, but what has happened to you, to make you belive this?

>>44027124
>It's just gincel being retarded again.

I should know not to feed the trolls thanks anon

>>44027124
Yeah. I believe it's 100% possible, it would be against all logic that it didn't.
But the way we approach therapy for dysphoria I believe defies all logic too.
Basically the only CBT based therapy therapists are allowed to give to trans people for dysphoria are treatments against depression, which obviously won't solve the problem.

>>44026870
>It defines conversion therapy as "healthcare", and defines trans healthcare as "conversion therapy"
where's the text on this? the reporting I've seen hasn't indicated anything like this but I fully believe it (and expect to see them pull the same shit here in the US)

btw STOP TOLERATING FAITH

>>44027152
Yeah the conversion therapy bill affects gay and lesbian people, as well as trans people.

But unfortunately a lot of gay men and a minority of leabians will throw themselves off a cliff if a trans person has to watch

>>44026870
>draft
So not real or passed? Better freak out about some shit that will die in committee

>>44027197
gender dysphoria is only known based on faith that a person's self report of hating their sex is honest and not a cover to obscure their true motive (internalized homophobia)

>>44027217
shut the fuck up gincel

>>44027184
>What has happened to you
Uh idk. Probably a mix of things. I went to uni for five years to study psychology, this was a big contributor to that. Beyond that, personnal meditation, and discussions with friends and the likes.

>>44026870
Going only from the info provided, I think it's probably a good idea to try and help people rather than indulge their issues for progressive brownie points. And the whole "transition" thing has already caused immense problems in our societies (division, destruction of social norms, literally having to throw out definitions of the most basic words we use for each other,...), so something like this is actually overdue. I hope my own country takes a similar approach but I doubt it

>>44027079
his underage twink trooned out and left him :(

>>44027240
what actual problems has it caused? I've only seen reactionary oppressive puritans and pickmes causing problems by concern trolling or trying to prevent people from living as themselves

>>44027197
Reddit dont seem to fully grasp the implications but a few posters are very switched on. This also links to the gov website. Usa and uk controlled by the same forces of evil

And yeah, we expected nothing less. I remember some morons on reddit saying "the Sullivan Report will be positive for trans people", and now its mandatory conversion. I dont think people grasp what this mean

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1uf52tc/conversion_practices_draft_bill/

>>44027251
transgenderists ARE the reactionary oppressive puritans
pure projection

>obey my pronouns, bigot

>>44027254
thanks, I was skeptical when I saw the headlines but this is sick
>"the Sullivan Report
sure you don't mean the cass review?

>>44027204
>So not real or passed?

Yeah, the Labour government that hates trans people more than any other party will stop it, any day now

>>44027230
My experience of psychologists is overwhelmingly negative, i enjoy making your lot feel very stupid. I know my science and my history, and i enjoy calling into question your garbage industries credentials

>>44027241
Please be real

>>44027254
Redditors are somehow both hysterical overreactors and complacent “nothing ever happens” boiling frogs.

>>44027251
I already listed three examples. I fail to see how designating people you dislike as "oppressive," "trolls" or "pickmes" invalidates their criticism

>>44026870
What you do with HRT very much IS conversion therapy. "Conversion" has been used as a term of projection by LGBT for decades and you be as fucking mopey about it as you want.

>>44026995
>No, its Orwellian.
I'll say.

>>44027311
you listed things that other people have done over/about/to trans people, retard

>>44027190
I'm not familiar enough with psychology or psychiatry to conclude one way or the other if it would be possible, won't discount it but I'm doubtful. Imo it depends on what the cause of gender dysphoria is in the first place, which so far is at best only poorly understood. If a concrete cause and effect is found then it would be a lot easier to develop potential cures.

>>44027277
The Sullivan Report said that talking therapies makes mental health worse, but now we have mandatory conversion therapy.

So redditors thought this would save us, and it wont

>>44026969
Retard. I got “soft”, “non-contact” conversion therapy like that and I’m lucky to still be alive afterwards. Still permanently fucked up from it. It doesn’t magically stop being child sexual abuse just because they don’t physically touch the kid. Kids are more damaged by the grooming than by the act itself.

>>44027313
>>No, its Orwellian.
>I'll say.

This is like someone tying you up, electorcuting you and when you say its painful, you are told "it is not painful"

We tell you what makes us happy, and you say "no, i dont care what makes you happy, misery is better". Well, luckily we can decide for ourselves and disengage from these horrible organisations

>>44027281
I'm not a therapist, I went into a different career afterwards, manual labor btw.

I'm sorry for your negative experiences btw, I also hold a very negative view of modern psychology and it's development in regards to it's affiliation to politics. It's bad.

But if you want me to expand a little on my beliefs (I say beliefs because this is all speculation, I have no real data to back myself up here), and feel free to disagree with me here, I believe that the cure to dysphoria is learning to appreciate your assigned gender at birth.
I believe that to be possible, only of course if the person wants to. So it has to be a personal choice. But I believe that for example, if you are a MtF, properly done therapy could help you learn to appreciate and love your masculinity.

That's it. Again, I am no expert, no nothing. But based on the little I know it should make sense. It's a bit, in my mind, like how you cure phobias, through exposition, iykwim.

Also as said above, I believe that willingness to participate is key. I believe that this would never work if the patient is not a willing participant.

>>44027352
>but now we have mandatory conversion therapy
BASED
make trannies gay again

>>44027332
I definitely agree with you, yes.
My post above are my thoughts partially developped on my personnal experience, so idk if it's applicable to everyone.

>>44027385
what makes this any different from believing there is a "cure" for being gay? you're fucking pathetic

>>44027385
>I believe that the cure to dysphoria is learning to appreciate your assigned gender at birth.

Yet it never works. Your belief and the scientific facts are not in alignment

>if you are a MtF, properly done therapy could help you learn to appreciate and love your masculinity.

But it doesnt and it never can. History proves you wrong, every metric of patient data proves you wrong.

Also, why? What difference does it make to you if i transition or not? Im happy now, why do you wish to make me unhappy?

Because you "believe" its wrong? You can believe whatever you want. The moment you then use those beliefs to harm me, you cross a mortal line

>>44027390
Gay conversion also happens, you fucking retard

>>44027330
Yes, in response to "trans people" being recognized as a real thing? i.e., problems they have caused for the rest of us? They are just extremely disruptive. It's ridiculous that the vast majority of people should adjust their language, surrender their private spaces, etc. to accommodate a tiny, tiny percentage of people with mental health problems.

But of course, you understand all this. And as far as I'm concerned, the culture war is over. You lost. Now suck it up.

>>44027458
This is psychosis

>>44027428
Idk, sorry ig.
As said, this is based on personnal experience, something that mostly worked for me let's say. (My dysphoria has "receded" or decreased a lot since I was 17, I don't mind living as a man now, mostly).

Now if you take from that that I never was a tranny or something of the likes, that's your right, I can't affirm or refute that.
Also sorry if I sound aggressive to you guys, you seem upset a bit.

>>44027452
small price to pay, can't win em all
hopefully people realize trannies are a much greater threat to a peaceful society than gays

>>44027071
>for some retarded reason
Yeah because it was practiced for over a century and all it does is make LGBT+ people off themselves

>>44027437
Well I was just sharing, you be free to do what you want and believe what you want to believe.
I haven't analyzed any data on the subject so I don't know really how that fares, you're probably right.

>>44027515
I've expressed that I believe such form of therapy should be different from forceful repression which is indeed what has been done for over a century

>>44027477
I'll leave you with that Molyneux quote: not an argument.

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>>44026870
>It defines conversion therapy as "healthcare", and defines trans healthcare as "conversion therapy"

>>44027515
trannies almost never actually kill themselves, they just threaten suicide as a way to psychologically abuse you and get you to comply with their fictitious and harmful gender identity
if tranny suicide was a real issue there would be multiple studies focusing on tranny suicide COMPLETION rate

>>44027541
I also dont engage with homless crackheads who ramble in alleys.

You are unwell and experiencing delusion

>>44027025
you do realize it would seriously alter everything about who you are right

youd be a soulless emotionless husk and probably unable to live anything comparable to a normal life

>>44027458
More problems have been caused trying to discriminate against trannies than anything else lmao

>>44027035
I HAVE NEVER LIKED MEN AT ALL HOW AM I GAY EXCEPT IN THE LESBIAN/TRANSBIAN SENSE AS MY ACTUAL GENDER AND NATURE)


your an evil pos

>>44027378
>We tell you what makes us happy
Who asked? You're not the boss of us, faggot. Yours is a draconian movement and the rest of us aren't here to make you happy i.e. helping you put other people's kids on your gray-market date rape drugs. Happiness is not what you get for supporting that, obviously. Nor should it be.

>>44027618
>Who asked?

The obsessed billionaires, politicians and regressive population of the uk and usa.

We would rather you didnt ask, and life on planet earth would improve if you all died

>>44027588
I already feel like a soulless husk unable to live a normal life from the years of repping, body image issues, and isolation. I hate myself anyway so if it would kill or alter my personality that's a plus.

>>44027644
>from the years of repping

If only you could take hrt, oh wait you can

>>44026870
that's awesome I hope they bring that to USA and apply it to all ages. conversion torture for american faketroons

>>44027644
Yeah so if altering your personality is a plus, why not try to alter it yourself in a way that benefits you in the long run ? It might be a bit painful but useful yk

>>44027035
why would gay people care about fertility, two dudes can't impregnate each other only thing they can do is get aids

>>44027670
I'd never pass anyway and have zero access to hrt, including diy.
>>44027682
How does one do this?

>>44027704
hormones make your dick not work and take away your libido
many gays have kids with surrogates
>who cares if we mass sterilize gays
exactly the problem

>>44027734
Alright so for me, the way it worked was looking at good male role models, like men that I find admirable, and then through empathy ask myself questions about them.
>why are they fine with being men ?
>what do they like about being men ?

Also, I'm somewhat of a fag too, so I like men, and so I just had to ask myself :
>Why do I like men, what do I find attractive in them ?

And yknow, questions like these, meditate on them, and then you know, ask myself if I could try this on myself, to be like the role models. It also had to do with the body a lot. How can I try and like my body in it's natural state ? Can I like it ? And then trying yknow.

After a while, for me, it started to work.
I still get gender envy sometimes and some dysphoria, but it's milder and rarer. I'm starting to like myself as a man. Idk.

>>44027797
Sorry if it's a bit confused, I answered hot headed, I haven't really put down these thoughts on paper before yk

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>>44027281
>My experience of psychologists is overwhelmingly negative, i enjoy making your lot feel very stupid. I know my science and my history, and i enjoy calling into question your garbage industries credentials.

>>44027748
>hormones make your dick not work and take away your libido
ime it doesn't
>many gays have kids with surrogates
yeah and they usually end up molesting them
>>who cares if we mass sterilize gays
trans people aren't all homosexuals pre transition

The Br***sh need to be eradicated.

>>44027835
Its not difficult to make psychologists look stupid on the subject of trans healthcare, you're acting like im debating quantum mechanics

>>44027748
Why do you want children's dicks to work?

>>44027797
>>44027816
It's not that I can't find good male role models or can't appreciate aspects of masculinity, but seeing my male body causes such a visceral dread that it ruins my entire day. I can't go outside a lot of the time because of how repulsive I feel anytime I'm in public. But if I'm being forcerepped anyway I guess I'll try this method. Sorry if I sound unappreciative I'm just jaded and bitter at everything.

>>44027837
trans women rape little girls and use the mask of being safe "like a woman" to gain access to children

https://reduxx.info/first-openly-transgender-state-representative-arrested-on-child-pornography-charges/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/trans-identifying-youth-volunteer-charged-with-horrific-sexual-crime

>>44028033
>dailywire
bait used to be believable

>>44027955
I see, that's sad to hear, I'm sorry for you.
Again, it seems to work for me, but maybe it just works for me, so I'm sorry if it doesn't work for you, really. But good luck, meditation (since it's mostly that) is anyways never bad.

You don't sound unappreciative to me, I get you. I really hope you find peace and happiness one way or another, and that it doesn't get taken away from you.

>>44028052
there are countless other links detailing how this tranny raped a six month old girl besides that one.

>>44028070
Ok, what do you want us to do with this info? Everyone here condemns child rape, you care more about using horror to point score.

Guess that makea you a shit person

>>44027627
Not really.

>>44028070
ok? even if true, that doesn’t make your conclusion correct. under this premise you cannot then jump to your generalization.

>>44028116
if retarded trannies are going to say gays molest their kids, im going to reply to them with evidence mtfs are much more predisposed to sex crimes and weaponize their "female identity" to gain access to children

>>44028069
Thanks anon
>>44028070
Making a loaded claim about an entire demographic based on the actions of a single rapehon is dishonest.

>>44028033
Well, yeah, the whole LGBT movement is used to destroy western civilization.

>>44028136
says the retard that jumped to GAYS MOLEST THEIR KIDS!!! as justification for why reproductive rights for gays are bad

>>44028162
notice you said nothing to the person who claimed gays molest their kids
notice you only care about troons.

>>44028198
Didn't see it earlier, but yeah that's also retarded and false.

>>44028033
gay men groom and molest children at a much higher rate than any tranny don't forget NAMBLA was all you guys and I don't even have to use conservative focused media outlets to find articles lmao

https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/georgia-couple-convicted-for-sickening-sexual-abuse-of-adopted-sons-get-100-years-in-jail-a-house-of-horrors/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/former-priest-will-face-trial-for-allegedly-molesting-boys-in-slo-county/ar-AA25zCkb

>>44028147
>if

Heavy lifting

>>44028356
one literally did you illiterate jackass. THE ONE I REPLIED TO.

>>44028320
Men commit violent sex crimes at a rate 20% lower than MtFs. MtFs have the highest prevalence of sexual violence of any demographic. Real women have the lowest, which is why people generally trust and allow women around kids, which often ends disastrously when the woman was in fact a man all along. The tranny is a supercharged wolf in sheeps clothing.

>>44027360
normies don't care about children, they only like the 'buh wont somebody think of the chiiiildreeennnnnn' slop, they have no understanding of how child abuse works and will defend it if provoked. they unironically think only physical damage is the painful part of child abuse

>>44027305
it's what being a midwit does to you
they're like boomers that love to whine about EVERYTHING and make problems up but are wholly immovable to real shit thats actually happening. worst site on the internet no contest

>>44027835
stfu intersex flag

>>44028768
>source: jk rowling said so in a dream and it just FELT correct
expecting trannies to take you seriously while being openly transphobic is autism on a whole nother level

>>44028730
>one

Not grounds for taking away human rights from millions

>>44028768
tranny posts sources
chud imagines shit in his head
a tale as old as time

>>44028147
things that will never happen for 100

>>44026870
Reason number one million why Bongland is the worst country on Earth

>>44028960
the retard i replied to was literally advocating for denying gays reproductive rights "because they molest kids", you dumbfuck. you only care about your in-group.

>>44027305
Tbf, to be fair, in all fairness.

Its very, very difficult to overreact on terf island. They, quite literally, are building prison camps.

The head in the sand people are the fucking worst. They have no idea what the government is capable of

>>44029019
>you only care about your in-group.

Lgbt are my ingroup. Attack on one is attack in all. This legislation includes conversion for all lgbt people, its pushed primarily as anti trans because the public is anti trans.

I do not want any kids, of any orientation, tortured or abused.

>>44028976
tranny posted zero sources, retard. you belong to a cult and care only for your in-group.

>>44029052
yet you say nothing in defense of gays or about the "gay men molest their kids" comment

>>44029079
Different anon, keep up old boy

>>44029164
you still chose to say nothing about the gay comment while laser focused on defending trans people/satirical replies saying trans women molest kids to illustrate how stupid their homophobic comment was.

>>44029204
Not my conversation, already told you im against all conversion therapy

>>44027842
Why? Is it because for the first time they actually fight to save the country?

>>44029352
Laziness like this should be a bannable offence

>>44029019
>gays reproductive rights
LITERALLY not a thing. OBVIOUSLY.

>>44029204
>>44029079
pearlclutching isnt an argument you fucking troglodyte. shut the fuck up already you havent made one good point and you've made like 30 fucking posts

>>44029212
your conversation wasnt with me either, yet you replied anyway.
you only responded to me to defend tranny shit, while ignoring/not defending gays. you only care about your in-group.

>>44030679
seethe harder, self-obsessed homophobic troon

>>44030491
if you think reproductive rights arent an important part of gay/queer rights then you are anti-queer/anti-gay or otherwise completely fucking uninformed about queer/gay rights.

>>44030911
Boring. Off you fuck

>>44027035
Were you castrated in every previous life before your present one? Why do you write the same fucking shit in every thread?

>>44030980
keep replying to me, homophobic retard

>>44027035
>transgenderism is literally anti-gay conversion therapy

Transphobes constantly bitch about how so many trans people are suspiciously gay (as in lesbian trans women, gay trans men). How are we predatory heteros when it suits you and confused gays when it suits you?

>>44032142
they don't care, they view our transitioning as fewer sexual prospects

>>44032142
Its whichever they can use to dehumanise is in the moment.

There is no coherency, just rambling hate. Never take them at their word

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>>44026870
Why don't you like debate?

>>44027035
Why did famous anti gay activist Anita Bryant campaign with an "ex-transsexual"?

>>44032281
What happens if we lose the debate, you gonna kill us?

>>44029052
>Lgbt are my ingroup. Attack on one is attack in all.

>>44032267
>Never take them at their word
You're saying this about another LGBT.

>>44032317
That's pretty obviously what they want

>>44032322
>You're saying this about another LGBT.

Terfs are not human

>>44032323
Why do they play pretend? I hate these anti trans types, at least russia dont play these games

>>44032331
Yes they do

>>44026995
exact same thing they did in india

>>44032281
>debate is when i have no stake or knowledge in this and you know everything and have everything to lose
cia postmodernism has been a disaster for humanity

Thank you Queer Keir for this gift.
Bump!

>>44033762
What did they do in India?

>>44033540
Pretty sure russia just come out and say "trans bad" directly.

The UK says we must segregate tranners compassionately, we must help them to detransition with dignity etc etc

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>>44033943
NTA but this is a retarded take

You can have knowledge about something without firsthand experience or group membership. You can even have BETTER knowledge, sometimes. E.g., compare one dude’s singular, personal experience of having been in prison vs. a person who did a massive empirical study of all prisons nationwide. Who should we listen to when it comes time to make policy? Mr. Anecdote or Mr. Actual Data?

Likewise, you can obviously have a stake in trans issues without being trans yourself. Does the parent of a trans child have no stake in trans issues? The spouse of a trans person? The healthcare providers for trans people? The pharmaceutical companies who make HRT? The school system, sports teams, etc., who will have to make accommodations and policy?

I’m a pretty max libertarian so I’m all about letting you trannies do whatever the fuck you want with your own bodies. But if you want to gatekeep the right to even participate in this discussion, you can fuck right off and kill yourself for all I care.

>>44034308
The difference is that the actual subject matter experts (trannies) are never listened to.

>>44029054
>waa waa let me put fingers in my ears waa

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>>44027360
how? if you don't mind me asking. i know i suffer from 'it could never happen to me' but i don't understand how talking alone could harm someone long term, and maybe knowing would help me understand this topic a bit better

>>44034395
This guy is from from England and had a meltdown because on the character creation screen for Starfield, it asks for pronouns, so voiced NPCs know how to refer to you properly.

Most sane brit

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>>44032317
you people are hysterical fearmongerers

>>44034308
based

>>44034329
mrs subject expert is mr anecdote you illiterate fuckwad. did you derive fucking nothing from that post?

>>44034840
What joke? No joke was told.

Im telling you the lore on the s'oyjack

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>It defines conversion therapy as "healthcare", and defines trans healthcare as "conversion therapy"

Yes and?

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>>44034329
Oh my god I didn’t realize you have an actual learning disability

I’m sincerely sorry for making you read the r-word :(

>>44034870
You get a gold star

>>44034870
>>44036372
Both of you are retarded.

It's subject matter experts, AS A CLASS, that are not listened to. It's not one tranny vs All of Statistics, it's thousands and thousands of trannies plus qualified medical experts vs a dozen shitty people, and it's the latter that get listened to.

>>44036674
Like to put this in perspective, the chief argument of Hilary Cass is basically that the UK's screening methods for trannies were TOO EFFECTIVE, that there's no way that after filtering out 2,000 patients and sending only 23% of them to endocrinology, that the vast majority of those patients would stay on blockers and move to HRT.

>"Our patients are too satisfied with our treatment! We must stop it immediately!"

Based legislation in UK? What madness is this

>>44036741
Baroness Nicholson saying there will be no opposition to their anti trans plans as "the Cass Review takes care of all that now"

The British establishment are villians

Bump