You aren't going to want to hear this, but it's true. 1 year ago I was just like you, I thought the same things, believed in, got butterflies in my stomach over, wanted to ACK because of the same things, had the same brainworms as you do. I had dysphoria, I had the "childhood signs", I cared about optics and tranny politics and everything. Because I was you, I know how you're going to respond; saying that I'm just repping and will john 50 eventually, or that I wasn't TRUTRANS in the first place unlike you who definitely is. These things are neither true nor do they come from a place of genuine care, they are you projecting your copes on to me to cover up your anxieties and affirm that you are making the right decision. It is possible to heal, though, and it's simpler than you think. About 3-4(?) years ago I was banned from here for something I don't really remember, so I migrated onto the 4tran subreddit splinters. About 1-2 years ago though these places were slowly but completely AGPified like the rest of reddit and became unbearable hugboxes so I left them too. After that, I had ZERO involvement in any tranny spaces or interactions with any troons socially. And without the constant repetition and social confirmation of my troon thoughts, they simply died away and I was left only with the shame of what I was doing. It really was that easy.
its ok to be a very very very feminine acting man without taking hrt
>>44028067I don’t get you play here. Don’t you hate troons why would you want us to debtrans don’t you want us to suffer. Even if you are as I am or was as I am I feel my only Option is to stick with this miserable back and forth forever. Commiting to something is akin to suicide if we really think about it. I’m too scared to make a decision maybe John 50 is in my future. Maybe not in that way but just that it’s something that could happen to me.
(cont)You grew up in a deeply misandrist and ultra-liberal culture, or you grew up around abusive/"toxically masculine" male role models. Either way, you ended up feeling shame and guilt for being born a man. You were bullied as a kid for being feminine, deepening your insecurities and making you feel lost, unwelcome. Why does the myth of the ultra rare truest-trans who knew all along include dysphoria at CHILDHOOD, when there is basically no sexual dimorphism to speak of? Because like it or not, the liberals are right and dysphoria over your body truly does stem from dysphoria over your social role, not the other way around. Why are there basically zero accounts of "reverse dysphoria" (most detransitioners talk about shame or guilt instead) when surely at least a few "cis men" would have made a mistake and trooned out only to regret the physical changes on their own? Same reason you and they felt dysphoria in the first place, conditioning and neuroplasticity are capable of more than you think. A year ago I could look at an image of a naked foid and feel nothing but envy and self hatred, while now I just feel normal healthy male attraction. The opposite has happened with my thoughts about men.
>The sharty is not a trans safespaceNusoiretard...
(cont)You think you want to melt into the warmth of a strong man, feel his safety, security, protectiveness, when really a part of you wants that for yourself. Deep down, a part of you wants to be strong, powerful, driven, muscular, confident, ever expanding, pushing into the future, the horizon, stamping your will onto the world... yet you have forbidden all of these from yourself and so you project your desire for them onto an external locus. Think about all the boyremoval fagslop you see on here, obviously there are the MEF elements common in this subtype of troon for whatever reason, but just think about the word "boyremoval". People call it "affirming", but how is a guy calling you a fag or a failed male "affirming" you as a female? What it's ACTUALLY affirming is your decision to troon out. You are allowed to pave over your doubts and calm your anxieties by pushing responsibility for your decision to transition onto the externalized projection of masculinity you've developed and separated from yourself.
>Error: Content too long.>Error: Content too long.>Error: Content too long.I was an ancientshit (17) and I never came out to anyone, so detrooning was probably an easier decision for me than it would be for many others. I just want you to know that it's possible. If you're a miserable xyzmoder full of shame and guilt, you're allowed to just be a normal guy. You don't even need to do anything permanent or that you "might regret", I came to my realization while I was still on hrt. I'm just asking you to try *thinking* differently for a while. Get off of tranny spaces, stop talking to them, stop constantly thinking about trooning out, spend more time around chuds or normal people. Stop comparing yourself to women and troons and stop trying to relate to either of them. You're dysphoric about your physical features because you are comparing them to women, and you're comparing them to women because of your male guilt and self hatred.If you're a passoid, then idk just stay as a troon i guess. The years of hrt and social conditioning mean you're probably pretty fembrained and it probably isn't worth it to detrans. In my ideal chud dictatorship you would be forcibly detrooned while doing hard labor but that's never gonna happen THOUGHIf you're a transbian/AGP, then just kys. If you're trooning out so you can be attracted to YOURSELF as a fetish then idk what to say other than please get a grip and lock in.Otherwise, It's okay to be a man.
>>44028102>Either way, you ended up feeling shame and guilt for being born a man.there's no shame in being born a man lmao. men are just fucking ugly. why would i want to be an ugly unlovable moid?
>>44028099read the rest of my posts nigga john 50 is not real if you don't want it to be>>44028107meds>>44028166AGP
>>44028156>>44028125>>44028102>>44028067>wordswordswordsNusois don't know how to bait anymore
>>44028194>AGPok and?how could you possibly let someone else love you if you can't stand to look at yourself in the mirror.
>>44028194>meds>Sharty not a trans safespace ev&o it's all racebait and traiso rightsSure buddy.This place is less gay than the sharty, geg
>>44028067I am a man. But I’m a man taking estrogen. I will never be anything but a man.
>>44028199bait is when you try to help people who were in your position>>44028220you can look at yourself in the mirror and be happy without literally wanting to fuck yourself oh my AGP
>>44028236stop taking it you will feel better
>>44028227e&o the traiso rights is also bait only nuswas fall for
>>44028262>Posting a 'pasta with a cob is not baitmfwposting a 'pasta is not helping anyone, 'teen.I appreciate the sentiment tho.
>>44028279No I won’t, estrogen makes feel better.I can do everything a cis man can do. No one can tell I’m trans.
>>44028288That's because the HTSMs on the clitty.party are all heavily repressed fags themselves doe. Even they acknowledge it, geg. It's quite sad.
see you at 50, john https://www.avitale.com/essays-details/?name=the-gender-variant-phenomenon--a-developmental-review-5
>>44028294its not a pasta dise happened to me>>44028297in a year your manboobs will be visible through your baggiest hoodie and the level of shame and embarrassment you will feel will be unparalleled. you WNBAW, but on estrogen you WNBA(normal)M either. you will look like a freakish halfway creature, a pale and tall guy with fat in strange places and bones poking out where they shouldn't
>>44028262what ugly person is happy in front of a mirror lmao.do men actually like how they look? how? what would they even base it off of? it makes zero sense to me.
>>44028336Can't snopes this, but ight I trust you. Good for you to managing to making it out there, 'teen
>>44028314why do trannies (ur a pooner but still) project so much? i could just as easily say that all troons are repressing chuds, which is more accurate because thats what i was personally same with most troons i would say>>44028332couldn't read four whole sentences award
>>44028336I already look like this it’s joever, except I got shorter and am now 5’5, I can never be a normal male again
>>44028367Mb put the wrong flag up, I'm a man.No but I genuinely believe this about the sharty though, no projection here. It became expressly obvious to me recently, after the TADC finale.I couldn't believe how many threads were made about the trans jax stuff, on /soi/, mind you. That was eye opening.
>>44028337most people aren't sexually attracted to themselves, kys. ugly men want to be attractive men, not women>>44028377>I can never be a normal male againMEF, lock in. plus i can promise you it's easier to be a manlet then a troon
you simply never had dysphoriayou faketroons never would've made it through a whole male puberty without killing yourselves if you had dysphoriayou fell for rapid onset autistic trooning. that's why your entire friend group faketrooned and now live in a "transbian" polycule and post on troonsky social
>>44028423No I want to troon out, clown world is at least interesting and not boring.
>>44028416i heard about the jax stuff only when i visited here to make this post. didn't see any troon stuff on onions, when was this? also from what i've seen jax is an insecure guy who covers up his flaws with sarcasm and dryness which is a very common male personality and saying all those people are troons is delusional
>>44028457Well after the finale dropped, so like 20th of June ?
>>44028439did you read a single word i posted? like literally? i explicitly talk about having zero trans people, hating agps/transbians, etc. i was dysphoric about body hair from very young and i hated my voice dropping and adams apple and blah blah blah, i'm telling you i WAS you, i felt the exact same things as you only to realize they were actually not essential to me or inescapable
>>44028500having zero trans friends*
>>44028423>most people aren't sexually attracted to themselves, maybe not most people, but many. look up cisgender rates of autogynephilia. >kys. thank you>ugly men want to be attractive men, not womenhow can they determine what an attractive man is if they don't like men? i certainly can't.
>>44028500you simply never had dysphoria, if you did you would be dead rn hon
>>44028067Yes, MtT is predominantly social contagion.As always every accusation is a confession.
>>44028067you're going to die a man
>>44028478i wasn't there last weekend so you're gonna have to tell me what you saw. again i saw people on here comparing him to like nick wilde which is a very common personality type for insecure guys>>44028525cis foids aren't AGP, a cis foid would never masturbate to her appearance in a mirror or anything else you agp men get off to>>44028562i already predicted you would say this in the OP vro, trust me i had dysphoria and seriously thought of 41ing but i got better and can see it for the socially induced delusion it was
>>44028067I've been on E for 6 months. Just got off it, by reducing the amount over a few weeks.Feel somewhat fine rn, but suffer from the typical symptoms of a hormonal change (headaches, etc).My problem rn is: All the AGP stuff is coming back in full force. I hate my body and facial hair more and more by the day, hate that my browbone already seems somewhat more portruding (due to less puffy skin). Especially rn in the summer heat, I get ever more envious everytime I see an attractive woman in short or a skirt, with smooth shaven legs. It has never ever occured to me that I would want to be intimate with any one of them.I only ever want to be in their place, having a pretty, feminine body and face.And my even more boomer-coded fetishes like an absolute fixation and envy on women wearing pantyhose is back as well.I know this is sick. I hate that I am like this, and have never had normal, healthy attraction to anyone.What can I do, in your opinion, to develop normal hetero attraction? To let go of the envy? To accept that I am just not in the position to be pretty like them?Also, pls be honest: Are you truly free of AGP atp? Do you have normal attraction?
>>44028573>>>44028583duh? my whole point is that that's a good thing
>>44028592>cis foids aren't AGP,they said they find themselves attractive. that's not true! b-because i said it isn't...>a cis foid would never masturbate to her appearance in a mirror or anything else you agp men get off toi don't do that fucking shit. you ascribed that to me. you also didn't answer my other question
>>44028592Well just a bunch of threads being made and then bumped into oblivion about gooseworx's tweet confirming Jax as trans, and then a few threads posting trans jax art, some baiting, some genuine, but all of these threads really did stay on the front page of the log for a few hours, quite insane. Like you'd think they wouldn't care about this, but the obsession was really clear.And when you know of the nonstop bait on the 'log that already should make you suspicious of a how a few teens are, this is just yk, the cherry on top.And when I brought this up, teens were like>You only noticed now ?Yeah, the sharty is full of reppers
>>44028598are you turned on by the idea of dressing femininely? if so you're agp and i can't fully relate or help you too much. as for dysphoria though, like i said just stop comparing yourself to them and also get off of places like this ASAP. you can't "repress" troon thoughts to stop them, try to stop yourself from thinking about purple elephants. it will just make you think about purple elephants more than before. you stop them by letting them happen but just observing, not caring to indulge or stop yourself from indulging. just stop caring about them, stop the loop and spiral of comparing yourself and measuring and comparing and dooming and comparing
>>44028640i mean imagine if a character you self insert as or at least relate to was turned into a pedophile or whatever by their authors. i think caring about what looks like a kids show is weird but being upset that a troon made a character you like into a troon isn't. also "you only noticed now" is clearly frogoogas baiting or teasing, how often do you use the party?>>44028630acknowledging that you're attractive is different from getting sexually turned on by your own appearance. also you not liking men and in fact finding the idea gross is more proof that you're agp.>didn't answer my other questionhow do you think all non agp trannies "know what an attractive woman looks like" when they're trooning out? knowing what looks good is not 100% sexual with normal people, you just have insane goonbrain
>>44028670Yes I am, very much so.I mean, I don't know what drove you to attempt transition if not AGP, but this disaster of a sexuality is all I've ever known.I'm aroused by fantasies of dressing feminine, of transition, of having surgeries only to drive home the permanence of it all.I'm aroused by fantasies of submission, of humiliation. By fantasies of being forced to dress hyperfem, to always wear heels and skirts, of getting VFS so I lose my assertive male voice.And the worst thing is: Conceptually, I much prefer being male. I like the social status, the assertiveness and directness that is tolerated with men (while women are then accused of being 'a bitch'). I like being strong, being tough, in control.And yet, this constant AGP shit is distracting me to no end. Knowing I'll never be able to have a normal relationship. Knowing that I'll never be happy with my body, style and social role at the same time. Knowing that my sexuality only works to corrupt, not to empower or complete me.So, it seems that yet again, for AGP cis men there is no solution. Only repression or acceptance of internal corruption.
>>44028734I mean you see it however you want, nusoi. That's just how I honestly see it at this point.I used the sharty daily. I am trying to get rid of it, too much a waste of time.
>>44028766k well you haven't given much specific for me to respond to so idk what else to say
>>44028761i trooned out for the reasons i explained in my original couple of posts, subconscious guilt over being male lead to physical dysphoriahow did you develop your fetish? porn addiction? or what
>>44028788Well idk what you want me to say, at this point it's just instinctive for me. >It's all baitWell yeah it's irony poisoning, and at this point you can't blame hostile offsiters, there's way too much bait and irony posting for the amount of users that don't partake, and those who don't partake react imo in an exageratedly strong manner, which yk, sometimes looks like repression to me.
>>44028872you see repressors because you see yourself. meanwhile i see on this board poor self hating chuds who have guilt tripped themselves into trooning out. we are both projecting, but at least i have a leg to stand on because i formerly was a troon and so relate to and understand the thought process behind what people say here, while you were probably never a chud before you wanted to troon. if i had to bet, you found the party after this place like me
>>44028822I see, so no AGP with you. So yeah, you're right, I guess we're different in that regard. Because I don't feel guilty at all for being male. In fact, I'd really like to stay male. But the AGP keeps festering.I don't think there's been any definitive starting point for my AGP. I have memories from early childhood where I fantasized about being tied up and kept as a mute slave of sorts, after I saw something related in a kids cartoon once.I sat in class in 5th or 6th grade. A girl wore a tight top. And instead of being attracted to the classmate or her body, I just out of the blue started wondering how it would look and feel like to wear this myself.I also, for no clear reason, had a fascination with zentai / catsuits for a while, which vanished once my focus turned to feminine clothing.Many times, starting at ~12, I secretly crossdressed, using my mothers clothes. Tried on pretty much every kind of clothing she had. Regret that a lot now.In 8th grade, I chatted with girl I was friends with about how womens clothes feel to wear. I asked her dozens of questions, esp about pantyhose. Has she ever fallen asleep with them? Have they ever gotten wet? Ever worn them under pants? With socks over or under them?She, for some reason, obliged, and even bought me a few pairs as a birthday present.Didn't satisfy my curiosity long term.So yeah, no clear starting point. It seems I was fucked from the beginning.
>>44028931addendum: As as child, and throughout school, I always had long hair. At first because my mother liked how it looked, and then because I liked it too.I was often mistaken for a girl, got told I was on the wrong toilet, etc.I even once asked my mother to braid my hair in primary school, because I thought it looked to pretty on the girls, but she said she hoped I was joking, and I understood to better shut up.
>>44028931>Because I don't feel guilty at all for being maleyeah that's why i think MEF is it's own type, clearly different from AGPs but also different from HSTS in that they troon out later and are less fembrained to start out. plus the guilt over being male>all the other stuff in your postyeah i'm sorry but i don't know what to say, the first time i ever even touched myself was at like 17 right before i trooned to try and make myself fully straight (attracted to women). have you tried going cold turkey on porn and stuff?
>>44028926No the other way around, first the party then this place, but yeah I was never a chud.Idk about all that projecting though, idk what you mean by allat.Sorry im a bit stupid lol. Idk if I need to go into detail about myself, I don't think I do. But you should trust me. I am well intended.
>>44028067just mad youre a chud
>>44028067You are a liar trying to groom gullible trannies into self-harm
>>44029053>MEF is it's own typeYeah, maybe. Don't know much about that.>cold turkey on porn and stuffI've never really consumed hardcore porn, because I'm not into any form of sexual / genital intimacy. My preferred content types are stories / blogposts / forum entries.Yeah, I've tried to quit, but that doesn't help at all. I have a whole repertoir of fantasies & scenarios that I can recall with closed eyes, that are sufficient to get me off. They all revolve around me being feminized and dominated. Never around anyone else.Also, to remove all sources of AGP fuel, for me would mean removing myself completely from public life. Again, every day I see women in pretty outfits, with attractive bodies, and I get envious. There is no way for me to look at one of them and not fantasize about being in her position.And even with the libido reduction that E brought, it hasn't gotten any better. The only change was that I, for the first time, started fantasizing about being physically intimate with men.Which stopped as soon as I stopped E.
hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.
>>44029109i just think from my personal experiences that troons being repressing chuds is truer than chuds being repressing troons>>44029140i am, but i used to be a troon>>44029177i cant tell my past self not to do what i did so i'm trying to help people who are like i was. just read my post and first few replies, i really did troon out and i really did detron
>>44029233I did read them, they aren't as compelling as you seem to think they are even if your story were true.
>>44029194again i can't help much because of our different experiences but maybe try to just stop caring when you see women? instead of sexualizing everything or trying to intentionally resist sexualization, just think "meh" and move on. again purple elephants. you could also try stopping masturbating, or maybe masturbate only to normal porn or normal fantasies. also, maybe you need a broader goal in life? me having a higher goal in life i could move towards was another thing that helped me detrans, because transitioning had sort of served like a life goal as itself and so perpetuated those thoughts
>>44029281i wrote them in an overly formal way for the LARP but i think my experience should be relatively relatable, i really do think that dysphoria in troons is caused by social issues rather than being an inborn trait
>>44029290I get what you're saying, and I'm basically already trying a combination of all these things.Focussing on what I like about being a man.Appreciating womens prettiness without self-inserting or sexualization.Masturbating as little as possible, and powering through the urges.Focusing on a higher goal in life (in my case, academic & professional success).And yes, all of these things do help, to a point.But you know what? It's just so fucking unfair.Normal men don't see attractive women and think "meh". They have a natural instinct to find them sexy and desireable, and are comfortable in their male role. They don't have to try to actively convince themselves that male aging won't be *that bad*, and instead often see men in their forties and fifties as having a second glow up, while I am horrified thinking about these things happening to me.They don't constantly have to repress and control themselves. They can just be in the moment.And while they're at it, they can STILL have higher goals and aspirations.So as it stands, I feel basically crippled by this condition. I constantly have to spend energy on keeping an unwanted, unnecessary, distracting part of myself with no biological or societal function in check, while others can use their full energy and focus on productivity and emotional fulfillment.That's just a fucked up outlook on life.Especially since I'm only 22. I have like at least 50 - 60 more years. And from the looks of it, I will never be free of this.
>>44028067And here you are thinking about it again anyway. See you in a few years hon
>>44028067>Sharty, my son. You are lost and confused but I have been busy crusading. I would feel ashamed if I didn't see you on the same battlefield. Maybe we will be on opposite sides, one day. >The zhanmadao is an interesting weapon.
>>44029342Anyone can come up with a relatively relatable background for basically any subculture by lurking their forum for an hour. I don't think that because it's retarded and directly contradicts my own experiences and observations.
>1 year ago I was LITERALLY YOU, that was of course before I discovered the secret to Heal™. You too can learn to Heal™ just like me by subscribing to my plan! you're just trying to sell an ideology instead of a self-help course
>>44029413wouldn't you rather think "meh" than want to be them? and maybe once you get to "meh" you can rebuild to a normal attraction>and from the looks of it, I will never be free from thisbad outlook, will only intensify your feelings
>>44029419i see this as helping people who are my past self>>44029434marge>>44029453lol do you actually think i'm faking? this would be the worst bait of all time if so. what could i say to prove it>>44029924i'm not selling anything i'm trying to help
>>44028085Is it okay to say honey and old Mary and Nelly and be real limp wrist fag with a lisp?I love theater and drag so can I be a drag queen
>>44028067>>44028102>>44028125>>44028156Oh I didn't realize you were talking to yourself
>>44029453also what did i say that contradicts what you've experienced
>>44030048yeah these are all me, i just didn't realize the character limit here was so obsessed
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>>44028067 (OP)>>44028102>>44028125>>44028156read these as one post
up please somebodiere read this though
nigga i am going to keep bumping this thread forever until i get some attentionyou're supposed to freaking debate me
>>44028067See the difference is that I was never a reddit user.please take your meds : )
>>44030841i just used it cuz i was banned doealso do you mean meds in the sproke way or the tranny way
>>44030948which ever makes you happy, and stop posting here, sweetheart.
>>44028067It's not. My life is hell and will always be because I am a man. Women get to experience the closest thing there is on this god forsaken planet to heaven on earth. Being a man is a life of 24/7 torture.
>>44030959i need to help detroon people doe>>44030968how? being a man is awesome, the problem is just your mentality
>>44028067It was leaving the political battleground and being alone with my thoughts in the middle of nowhere that led to me realizing I'm trans. The only shame that set in was the shame of repressing and trying to justify putting off HRT so long. The shame that I let fear of consequences and judgment stop me from taking steps to improve my life and my comfort in my skin. The shame that in acting like an edgy faggot all I really did was alienate those who might be on my side and distance myself from people who gave a shit about me. It wasn't a social contagion, it wasn't AGP, I wasn't groomed, I didn't turn this way by looking at BBWs too much in 2009. There was a hole in my heart, and starting this journey was step 1 to filling it.
>>44031085you just got groomed by the isolation then
>>44029999sell and shill are interchangeable>"help"I know exactly where your "help" leads peopleAll of it reads like a very third person (mis)understanding with manipulative language thrown in.>>44030051>also what did i say that contradicts what you've experiencedsocioeconomic factors being more powerful than internal drivers for people who have souls, easily malleable internal natures, sexuality is a social construct, denial of repperpsychosis, dysphoria magically going away in isolation / being caused by internalized misandry, never seeing accounts of reverse dysphoria, surface level understanding of agp, unironic use of the word "affirming," etcso almost all of it basically
>>44031364Anon, HOW do you get groomed without anyone telling you anything
>>44031372>i know exactly where your "help" leads peopleto being normal people like me?>>also what did i say that contradicts what you've experiencedi didn't say "socioeconomic" because economics has nothing to do with it, your nature IS easily malleable, you just don't want to accept it, sexuality isn't a social construct but hrt + time + conditioning (intentional or accidental) can change it, repperpsychosis is a fake buzzword just like socioeconomic, dysphoria IS caused by internalized misandry because i say so, go on detrans to see what they talk about and its always shame and guilt and disgust at their decision not their body per-se, agp = being attracted to yourself as a woman, and affirming is a reddit tranny word but idk what else to use here + im not a tranny so its ok
>>44031388isolation made you crazy
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>>44028067Lols. Difference between you and me is I was figuring out why I hate looking in the mirror so much before I even stumbled across reddit or 4chan or any of the modern hugboxxing. No one tried to brainworm me. No one said all the childhood signs are there. My family said in retrospect it all finally makes sense.But I get you anon. I hate it too. Many kids these days are being gaslit into thinking they're trans just so their loser boomer parents whom'st've amounted to nothing in particular can have a second shot at feeling special.
not worthy of engagement
>>44031416To being trapped as miserable repressors like myself. My existence is wrong on a fundamental level, in my opinion it's worse than death. I have achieved what can be seen as objective success for a man, but it is empty.Is "le socioeconomic factors" not popular anymore? I said it to rightfully conflate your belief system with that level of thinking. A person's internal nature is not easily malleable unless they have no internal sense of self, and if it were then individuals would have no value since everyone is interchangeable. Sexuality is only changeable to a limited degree, most who claim to have experienced a radical shift are just bisexuals in denial. Yes I just created that buzzword instead of typing out how I've observed that john50/suicide is the fate of many long term reppers. The idea of dysphoria being caused by internalized misandry is retarded, especially to me as someone who has a higher opinion of males in general. I don't care what your particular reddit forum that I don't browse says, I have seen accounts and examples of it. Attraction is a lot more complex than just what someone wants to goon to.
>>44031772i don't think it's necessary to be groomed on the internet for what i described to happen, but it's definitely more common now because of it. i really do think if you had had a slightly different upbringing or early life you wouldn't have troon thoughts at all
>>44031805socioeconomic factors is still popular but i'm a chud so i see it as a cringe useless buzzword. i agree that it's not EASILY malleable, but if ancient monks could learn to mummify themselves alive then i think you can learn to not want to chop your dick off. also again framing it as "repping" is part of the problem, if you think you're bottling something up then you create that thing you're bottling up. if you try to stop yourself from thinking about pink elephants you will just think about pink elephants.
>>44031820That is possible but I couldn't point at any specific one thing in my life. Maybe it was simply the isolation. I grew up with a single mom who some years even had a second job and was rarely home. Add to that social awkwardness and I didn't have many people I really considered friends and hung out with. Maybe that's all it takes. Relative isolation and lack of a male role model.
>>44031866yeah i don't have a "single event" either, i don't think anybody does. i'm more talking about general patterns in the broad scale of our lives
you don't need to do this...
>>44031898Like what patterns? Nobody in my surroundings had anything to do with trans. At most maybe ghey. I have no idea why but I just started playing MMOs with female characters & pretended to be a girl IRL too, not to catfish anybody or get preferential treatment or anything, it just... felt right. But at the same time felt bad too of course because I knew I was lying. And went down the rabbit hole from there. Btw, I never wore dresses as a child or played with dolls, if those count as "childhood signs."
>>44031954did you read the first couple of replies i made to continue the OP at the top? like you said it's probably social awkwardness, isolation, and a lack of a male role model.
>>44031969Lol sorry, didn't see. Did now. I wasn't feminine though. I was never bullied, I got along with most kids, including the nerds and bullies. I wasn't even a chud and/or unpopular with girls. I had a gf before too. Maybe I just hated myself so much I wanted to be somebody else. Still hate myself fwiw albeit much less. I don't care about any of the masculinity stuff either, neither for myself nor the other. Which may well just be the sperg in me talking. In the end, I still have no idea why. But I know I can't go back because I'll just dangle from the ceiling. I've just accepted that I'm mentally fucked in several ways, this being one of them.
>>44031865That is specifically why I used it. Most "change" is just a different expression of the same underlying thing. Asceticism is it's own thing, though I do think ascetic practices can be very helpful for lessening the inherent suffering that comes with repression. People forget that the whole point of Buddhism is trying to meditate your way out of existence. I am framing it as what it is, I have to bottle it up every single day otherwise I can no longer function at all.>if you try to stop yourself from thinking about pink elephants you will just think about pink elephants.I agree, which is why I no longer try to ineffectually make myself stop thinking about it. I don't deny the reality of what I am anymore. I accept the thoughts and my inability to act on them just like someone could accept terminal cancer.>>44031951The funny thing about these caricatures is that they're negative features are the masculine ones that trannies do their best to fix. Minus the superficial stuff like clothing and being fat, the purposefully accentuated masculine physical features make it a good visual representation of how my body feels. If anyone looks like that and says that, it's me.
>>44032112why do you think i don't know what trannies find dysphoric? again i was literally a dysphoric tranny i just got better and so can you. your mindset simply perpetuates tranny thoughts by framing your only options as 1. resist (but theyre still there) or 2. give in. why not 3. don't feel them anymore? it's easier than you think with the right mindset and avoiding tranny spaces
>>44032197I'm just gonna do the same thing that you were doing and tell you to refer to my previous posts
>>44032232all your posts are just>you can't get over your dysphoria because you just can't ok
>>44032272not if you're actually trans according to literally 80+ years of research. ur just a fetishist
>>44028067liar
>>44032272all your posts are just>you can get over your dysphoria because you just can ok
>>44032272Holy shit you're still here ?I literally had a full night's sleep nigga.>>44029233Also Idk why chuds necessarily, Idk what dysphoria has to do with political alignment, I can't relate to that personally.Politically seaking, i'm the normiest normalfag to ever exist, I'd dare to call myself a centrist.I really don't know why this has anything to do with chuds.Anyway, I'm going to work.Bye, 'teen, I hope you have a good stay here !
>>44032280have you read even a single post in this thread? i'm the exact opposite of a fetishist, i was right there with you in hating agps and sexual stuff>>44032284giga would say this
>>44032272>>""
>>44032423he would not say or do that
>>44032567I'm built like him and I want to do that
>>44028067nothing in the universe could make me detrans i would rather diei am finally my proper self mostly and i wont give it up for anything or anyonego fk off
