I love Jesus and I'm trans and nobody can stop me from being trans and loving Jesus and nobody can stop you from being trans and loving Jesus either!
>>44031821Jesus was trans actually
>>44031833Jesus was transfigured but Jesus wasn't transgender
>>44031847Have you forgotten about Isaiah 45?"...thus saith the Lord, Jesus feminized himself listening to sissy hypno."
>>44031821trvke
>>44031894Don't take the Lord's name in vain. Being trans isn't inherently immoral but a lot of practices such as those are dark and spiritually sick.
I'm certain Jesus would love you back, OP. He was a very nice guy by all accounts.
>>44031998I think the allegory for trans people in the bible is the lepers. we have an affliction for which we are physically disfigured and cast out of society and people see it as the result of our moral failing. Jesus was very kind to the lepers and helped them and healed them when they showed faith, justl ike he does to us.
>>44031894holy trvke>>44031821>I love Jesus>>t. picrel
>>44032089I live to serve God. There's nothing wrong with that. Your masters offer no reward.
Maybe someone can explain something to me.Where in the Bible says I can or can't wear this or that? I get there are verses that say males can't wear female clothes and the other way around. But and here's my doubt, how exactly do the Bible defines this clothe is female and thus forbidden to be used by a male? Where it says I can't wear a skirt? Irishmen wear something akin to skirts, right?And following that, I get some religious persons consider transexuality to be a sin because you're "deceiving" the other person. However, if I identity myself as male at birth, shouldn't that solve the problem?
Say it with me: God entered my body, in the form of another body the same size as my own.
>>44032159Justifying it by Leviticus and stuff makes being trans just as immoral as eating shellfish. The Law takes on a different shape after the resurrection of Jesus and the conferment of the Holy Spirit.
>>44032159the old testament (leviticus if i remember correctly) which christians renounce because all of that new covenant thangbut crucifreaks still follow stuff they cherrypick from ye ol' testament so do what you like ig
>>44032187“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."
>>44032211>But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.looks like sumwun aint gwine up to hebbin...
>>44032259>But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:> Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.> Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.>But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."Evildoers are trapped by their sinful talk, and so the innocent escape trouble.From the fruit of their lips people are filled with good things, and the work of their hands brings them reward.The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen to advice.Fools show their annoyance at once, but the prudent overlook an insult.An honest witness tells the truth, but a false witness tells lies.The words of the reckless pierce like swords, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.Truthful lips endure forever, but a lying tongue lasts only a moment."
>>44031821I won't try to stop you then.
>>44032342Can I convince you to love Jesus too?
>>44032347No need, I'm already convinced.
>>44032363Yay!!!!!!!
>>44031821that's good, I'm happy for you
>>44032599thank you anon.
>>44031821thats fine good for you i guess your better at mental gymnastics than i ami can only believe in love & beauty & my own feelings so i love my goddess (romantically & spiritually) for probably as long as youve been alive & she has shaped me into everything i am and answered my prayers to the letter in sending me my heavenly beautiful sister soulmate wife; who i met literally because of my 2yrs of posts here about my goddess/faith/love/lifei needed a miracle & my goddess brought me onejust today she brought me another miracle- we were in crisis over my previous psy dr having suddenly dropped me as a patient after my wife sent her a portal msg about how much all the monthly new medication experiments were fucking me up badly; all i need is my xanax i dont have any other real issues besides agoraphobia & severe panic disorder; so we were in a hurry to find a new dr for me because if i ran out it would probably be disasterous for my life; physically too because im a danger to myself during my worse attacksanyways today went to see new psy dr and he had a pride flag in his office; was gay and married himself; & was very understanding and listened to me for 2hrs about all the shit ive lived thru & he agreed to take up my xanax prescription after my final refill from old dr runs out; so all my praying was heard againim so blessed that my goddess watches over mei have no doubt my wife was a miracle; shes a decade younger than me; beautiful successful girl originally from russia; the only person ive ever known who loves like i do; im a disabled hs dropout; 39i hated religion growing up & even into early adulthood; but after i discovered what would become my goddess in 2008; i ended up going on a spiritual journey ever since & to this day i pray into her eyes for hours everyday; when my wife prays with me we pray thru eachother's eyesim glad you believe in something; but i cant believe in abrahamic things; their history is far too twisted & violent
>>44032805What you're saying doesnt make sense to me. How can you believe in love and beauty and not believe in Jesus and the Father who sent him? Are your own feelings keeping you away from God? Things like having a wife that you call your sister seems to be morally questionable. If you have Jesus these sorts of confusions shouldn't happen anymore.
>>44031821>and nobody can stop you from being trans and loving Jesus either!I know, that's why I'm trans and love Jesus.
>>44032805Just died from cringe reading this, AMA
>>44032843>How can you believe in love and beauty and not believe in Jesus and the Father who sent him?nta but how would it require any particular religion or even religion at all to believe in those things? Love and beauty are evident with one's own eyes, just looking around. nothing wrong with Jesus, but he is not required in that case.
>>44032910>nta but how would it require any particular religion or even religion at all to believe in those things?Because all experiences need a true transcendental foundation with which to establish a value on those experiences putside of yourself. Something making you feel good or making you feel loved is not the thing in itself. That is just your conscience pulling you towards God. You need to know God to understand goodness and love and nobody gets to the Father except through Jesus.
>>44032955and why is it exactly jesus and jehova and not dionysus and zeus for example
>>44031821Do you want to fuck Jesus though?
reading the vulgate translation of samuel 1 and the priest asked god to give anna "sexum virilem" (literally manly genitals) and i though he was gonna make her a tranny lol but i guess it was samuel which is lame-o because i wanted to see a jewish tranny in the biebl
>>44032983Because Jesus is real and true
>>44035483is dionysus not real or true? what about apollo?
Jesus ended the reincarnation cycle on earth.If you truly believe, then you will be spared.
>>44035501>is dionysus not real or true? what about apollo?No, they aren' real. The Greek Gods are powerful symbols of nature. Prodicus of Ceos had the correct interpretation. It welled up out of the human understanding of the Earth, but was not rooted in transcendental realities. The bible descends from a realm beyond our understanding and is reliable because of its actual truth. If you want a better reason to believe the Bible over other religions than faith, there isn't one. Faith is enough.
>>44035583and couldnt this transcendental reality be nature itself? does it really need a first motor or isnt it simply, as it name suggests, "what is born", and be born out of itself without beginning and end?because the bible refers to this father, and this father is supposed to be the father of everythingthis thread is not very on-topic tbqh
>>44035650If you think the thread isn't on topic, you shouldn't respond in the same breath.It just makes it look like you want to get the last word in for rhetorical purposes
>>44035671idk im just bored and i never get to ask questions like this irl because i dont want people irl to get mad at me and hurt mebut you cant hurt me through a screen right?
>>44035706I wouldn't hurt you. I can still justify myself if it is useful>>44035650>and couldnt this transcendental reality be nature itself?I would argue that in this case it doesn't transcend. Further, there are many good things that don't exist on the same level as nature. Music, art, charity, architecture, etc. To say that all of these productive and progressive forces come from a nature seems wrong. Further, nature also embodies a progressive tendency. Life has evolved many times on our world. Then, what nature would you be worshipping? Everything about nature that is not eternal cannot be regarded as the essence of nature. Therefore, all you are left with the venerate is eternal life, which is given to us by Jesus. All you're doing by worshipping life is removing the most important link in the chain between you and God.
>>44035760by nature i dont mean biology, i mean physis, reality: music is harmony and rhythm, which can be quantified and qualified mathematically (regardless of whether this quantification be right or wrong), art and charity are symbols used to refer to cultural concepts, architecture is partially cultural and partially based on physicsphysics we could say is the study of the physis; physics extends to everything but what relates to culture and costumes; humans cant understand but through cultural symbols and signs used to refer to concepts of phenomena they themselves observe, so in this sense physis cant be really perfectly understoodand to believe nature (=physis) has a progressive tendency would mean it would eventualy end: it tends to its end, it is born to end, but nowhere in nature could we see an end since we cant perfectly see nature itself, and perfection is the state of something that has come to its end: from nowhere can we deduce that nature will ever end, and without end we cannot pinpoint a precise beginning either, so it only remains that it never ceases to be born
>>44035971>humans cant understand but through cultural symbols and signs used to refer to concepts of phenomena they themselves observe, so in this sense physis cant be really perfectly understoodthis is exactly the point i was trying to make about the limiter against transcendentalism in that worldview. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean you can't understand it. Sometimes we misunderstand things because we know them too closely. For example, an abused wife should know that what's happening to her is wrong, but lacks the component to understand because the other details she knows about her husband deceive her. I think in many respects a fixation on the natural process as the motivating factor for human existence works the same way. You can look at as many trees as you'd like without having the faith to look back and see an entire forest.>owhere in nature could we see an end since we cant perfectly see nature itselfThis ties in to my earlier point. Just because we can't observe it doesn't mean we can't understand it. If you see the meter on your gas tank running empty, you prepare for it to run out of gas before it actually happens. We can understand the potential of things on some level without seeing them actualized once we realize the governing processes. The redemption of the cosmos is the same way. This is why the Bible narrative is so important: even if it is sometimes metaphorical, it structures the cosmos into this coherent framework which allows us to understand the universe.
>>44036079>Just because you don't know something doesn't mean you can't understand it.we can have a try it, but i dont think we could really understand it. to understand something is to seize its concept with the mind, to have a firm grasp of its concept. the physician makes a hypothesis, based off an initial phenomenon, which he then works through with logic, and this hypothesis could be either right or wrong, but he cant know until he compares it with the initial phenomenon; until then its a hypothesis, a supposition: if it is agreed upon to be right after comparing it to the phenomenon, it will be through a consensus of however physicians it may be, even if its only himself, and it will become theory; we may understand this theory we have created about it, but not the thing in itself, because we do not have access to it; to seize something, one must first have access to it
>>44036248When we're talking about the overarching structure of reality, the microchasm is evidence of the macrochasm. We cannot simply "seize" God or really anything larger than the human scale. Isn't it a bit hubristic to think that the only things that are worse acknowledging are the things that you can control (aka experiment with)? If you really follow that chain down to the bottom you will get Humean empiricism where you cannot even infer cause and effect because you cannot derive a principle from observations.Further, what standard are you even trying to affirm these observations as truth? Simply the conscencus of a human community? In other words we can know no truth whatsoever, only that other people also believe the same thing as us. Is this not just a thought terminating skepticism? We need the real God to give any teleology to the observations that we describe.
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>>44036354>what standard are you even trying to affirm these observations as truth?i am not stating them as truths, but as theories accepted by consensus of what we believe might be truth, and effectively we can know no truth, but we can get closer to it by further honing our theories that they may resemble truth more and more, and the "end" or purpose is exactly there: since we cant perfectly understand truth, we can make our understanding of it better and better ad infinitum, which is more than a sufficient purpose to actively live our lives if nature has no beginning or end and is simply born ad infinitum.>the microchasm is evidence of the macrochasmthis honestly i do not understand. why must an apparently (as i take it) real "little order" be evidence of a different "bigger order"? wouldnt the microcosmos be the cosmos of theories we have created, and the macrocosmos the cosmos about which we formulate these theories, i.e. reality?
>>44036383>i am not stating them as truthsthen what's the point of stating them?>we can know no truth, but we can get closer to it no we can't. if we can't know truth, we can't get closer to truth by knowing more because none of what we know will be truth.>if nature has no beginning or end and is simply born ad infinitum.that's not logically possible. even if the universe is eternal, that eternality would still require a contingency to validate its existence (on the scientific level, think of the properties of physics). Things like the progression of time and the existence of particles cannot be validated through the thing in itself, it needs to be validated through the being of its truth. That is the life God breathes into the cosmos. The natural world does not exist in a vaccuum of chaos, it is subject to consistent properties of abstract processes. For reality to be subject of them, our physical world must be contingent and contained within this system of properties which logically may also be contained by something larger above it.The reason of humanity is a redemptive process in which the matter which is governed by the Law comes to understand the law through its means and ascend from animals into beings of intellect. However, only through Christ can we penetrate the veil and go beyond the realm of intellect and towards eternal life with the Father.
>>44036466>>44036560mis replied. was going to say something to the other person but realized there was no point. sorry about that.
>>44036560>then what's the point of stating them?to state the process by which humanity acquires knowledge or understanding>none of what we know will be truth.agreed, it will not be absolute truth, but it will be part of the truth, unseizable in its absolute state, and a part, a portion, we can enlarge by taking more from its source>the matter which is governed by the Law comes to understand the law through its means and ascend from animals into beings of intellecti think i see where you come from and where youre going with this, but it seems to me that our intellect is just an (incredibly) more evolved intellect than that of the other "beasts"; a species of japanese birds has been proven to communicate through noises each referring to a different phenomenon, and the syntactical order of the noises alters the meaning of what theyre trying to convey; this is a sort of primitive intellect, such as very young children have, akin to analytic languages. kind of seems to invalidate the notion that man is similar to god in its having reasonso what if the human species' "spirit" is coming closer to its purpose? if it ever does, reaching its telos would mean it would cease, it would have no other purpose, and if the spirit ever discovered itself,it would have no purpose anymore as it would have reached its goal; the goal of the spirit, understanding itself, must have no end; it would have to lay a hold of itself, like an ouroboros eating its tail
>>44036917btw im kinda hungry and i also want to read a little so i dont know if ill be answering anymore. if you feel like responding ill read it thoughi honestly enjoyed this, as i said before i never really get the chance to have this sort of discussions and it felt good to pit my wits against a human and not just my notebook
>>44036917>kind of seems to invalidate the notion that man is similar to god in its having reasonThat wasn't what I was trying to get at. I was just saying exactly what you described, the intellect of humans is an ascendance towards intellect from the basal reality. Animals demonstrate a limited intelligence, humans demonstrate a sophisticated one. Our intelligence is so great that we are able to infer morals and understand the yearning for God. Animals are also important to God's plan, and human intelligence grew out from animal intelligence historically. The lower is returning o the higher in a cascade of virtues.>so what if the human species' "spirit" is coming closer to its purpose? if it ever does, reaching its telos would mean it would cease, it would have no other purpose, and if the spirit ever discovered itself, it would have no purpose anymore as it would have reached its goal;If something achieves its purpose fully on one level, it is called to achieve its purpose on the next tier of existence until it becomes one with God. This is the process of salvation. Inanimate matter has being, but it becomes arranged into the higher virtue of life. Life can be arranged through complexity into intellect, and intellect into morality through Jesus which makes us holy. We are in a constant state of yearning to become better because we are imperfect, but once we are perfected there is nothing more to desire because we are in complete alignment with God. The law of the Hebrews was the descension of the will of God from the Father through the Angels, but the redemptive process of Christ completes the cycle and allows the material to be redeemed, perfect, and godly in the form of eternal life. BEcause this miracle is beyond the capacity of humans that cannot understand what is beyond, God has to also exist as a physical being in order to reunite with himself as a metaphysical one. This union is the reason Jesus says "I and the Father are One"
>>44031821I'm the same way but I lowk think that God hates me and that I'm actually a demon brought to earth. I've thought this since I was like 6.
>>44037109>I'm the same way but I lowk think that God hates me and that I'm actually a demon brought to earth. I've thought this since I was like 6.God doesn't hate you, God loves you. Making you believe that you are not redeemable is exaclty what the demons want you to think.
your god is dead and your faith is death, cultist
>>44037290I don't know... God keeps throwing obstacles at me despite making me a gigahon and incredibly unstable. Why isn't that enough for him? I want to love Jesus, I doodle him all the time out of reverence but I feel like my life is only getting more difficult the more I try to hold on. Unrelated but I can never tell my friends about this stuff
>>44037330God asks a lot of us. We have to give it our all every day, no matter how bad the temptations become.>Unrelated but I can never tell my friends about this stuffBlessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.
>>44037391I feel like God is trying to break me desu. He knows I can't handle this shit for much longer.>Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.I don't think they'll persecute me. They'll just think I'm more retarded then they do already
why does god sit back and watch adults rape and murder children and not stop it even though he easily could
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres ...... Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love" :))
>>44037504"Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him."If God Himself and the fates of His saints willfully take part in the loudest of sufferings, the worst products of the gift of free will, what does that mean for us?
>>44037504the only reason anything matters at all is our autonomy else youre left with little robots and that's hardly "the faithful". you cant detract from that by poking ur big hand out the sky and pulling a rapist away from a girl he would simply bow out of overwhelming fear. similarly, you cant manipulate his mind to make him less of a rapist. you may wonder why he doesnt send his followers to stop them but that is instructed in scripture:>Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. [Gal 6:1-2, NIV]
>>44038051what a pathetic copout answer. god could have simply made a universe where rape isn't even a concept that can exist. instead god intentionally created evil
>>44031833If she were born today Jesus would be a twinkhon
>>44038075>created evilEvil isn't even a thing, it's the absence of good.I say this because you hate evil action because you know good is the ideal. If good did not exist, evil would be just a mindset or a set of actions. God is the source of good, what is not good is not of God, and that is where the choice arises. The good in your heart right now is what is providing you with the ability to tell what is evil, what is by definition contrary to good, as cold is contrary to heat and yet inseperable.To create a world without evil is to create a drab, desert wasteland without me or you or a single free creation.
Real talk, if you go to heaven after you die but get stopped at the gates for being trans by Peter, but Jesus is nearby and you wave him down telling him to let Peter know there's been a mistake and then jesus just walks away, would you still love him?
>>44038203He wouldn't do that, that's what it means to have faith in Jesus.
>>44038203Yeah? Why would that change anything?
