i seriously need an explanation i dont exactly know how to properly word it, but as a bitter lonely incel i have a lot of lonely time to think about myself and my sad lifei realised for some reason i would feel better with a womanly bodynot in a tranny way i dont have any desires for trooning or going into womens bathroomsi just think having something like round hips or a pair of nice boobs and a softer face would fit my body frame and myself i dont have anyone else to ask about why even do i feel like this, i just imagine myself looking different and feel butterflies in my stomach, yet this feeling doesnt happen if i imagine myself as a chad
>>44032819>I have no desire for trooningsays the most trooned out shit imaginable
>>44032873cant be most trooned out shit if im not a troon
>>44032819>i realised for some reason i would feel better with a womanly body>not in a tranny way i dont have any desires for trooning what do you think the difference is?
>>44032917because trannies are never actually womanly
>>44032941so if you were a tranny you'd actually be womanly?
>>44032944i dont know if i would bethats why i said not in a troony way
>>44032960the only difference between you and a tranny is that the tranny is actually trying to be a woman and you're notif what you want is to have hips and boobs and a feminine face, you can do that. You can just take estrogen and get your facial hair lasered off and grow your hair long, if that's what you actually want.
>>44032966i dont think its that easy, besides my lack of facial hair
>>44032997it's not easy, but it is simpleyou know what you could do, if you wanted it enoughwhat's your alternative? just keep being a man?
>>44032819sorry to break it to you, but trans woman don't fantasize about going into the woman's bathroom, they fantasize about what you've just said
>>44033002well its not like you stop being a man even while on these drugs i just want a different looking body
>>44033014>i just want a different looking bodyyeah those drugs change how your body looks, that's kind of the pointI guess it just depends what you think would ever make you stop being a man
>>44033022>yeah those drugs change how your body looksive never seen a good looking tranny
>>44033038LOL, you definitely have
>>44033038never? I'm sure if you look at the board for a while you'd see a few
>>44033047no i havent, all of them online look more like chads and chadlites with tits or old ugly grandpas rather than actual women and i dont interact with any irl>>44033022i never said anything about stopping being a man im just talking about my body
>>44033022i havent met a single person yet for whom estrogen actually signicantly changed them lol, all it does it prevent further masculinisation it does not make anyone who isn't already a woman into a woman
>>44033069>i never said anything about stopping being a man im just talking about my bodyok well change your body then>>44033075well, it makes slow changes over time. Stuff like clothing, laser hair removal, long hair, and makeup might make a bigger change in how you look in practice, and of course lots of trannies get surgery to change their faces.
>>44033069>no i haventthere are a good amount who are not my type so I get this, but every once in a while there is a drop dead gorgeous troon on the board. I've seen more conventionlly attractive ones in public tho. 4chan isnt really the place you go to if you have it easy transition wise so keep that in mind when you look at these threads (ignore the BDD demons)>i never said anything about stopping being a man im just talking about my bodyso you want to just be a man but with a hella effeminate body? is that the gist?
>>44033075>>44032819Oh my god reppers are so fucking annoying please stop with this shit and just troon out
>>44033038this is merely because you lack the eyes to see them
>>44033075I think you're walking into this with a set idea of how all this goes so its not really worth arguing. when i first seriously thought of trooning I would look at transition timelines and just be wowed. also some people are just genentically unlucky which blows
>>44033097>>44033093>>44033090>>44033084i dont really think about my gender but i do think i want to have a "hella effeminate body" though im talking about the entire internet about trannies even the "passing" ones look manly especially on camera without filters
>>44033114>i dont really think about my gender but i do think i want to have a "hella effeminate body"so change your body thenanyway I don't believe you haven't seen passing trannies in porn at least
>>44033114Ok whatever you don’t have to do anything related to presentation.Please take estrogen and exercise, there’s literally no downside. Costs like 40-90$ a year, would that break you?
>>44033114>”hella effeminate body" (thank you for not making fun of me saying hella)0kay, with that in mind I can give you some advice that isnt reliant on HRT:1. Get a proper skincare routine (i.e. cleanser, moisturizer, sunscreen)2. Learn what kinda hair you have and start taking care of it (Get the right shampoo, conditioner, figure out how often you should wash, and other stuff)3. Learn to style yourself (whether its clothing, piercings, haircuts...)4. Go to the gym and work out the parts of the body you want to emphasize>atp you're just a femboy fag but yknow whatever suits you ig
>not in a tranny waylol that is 'in a tranny way' like that is just how we feel.the only ones who desire looking like a tranny and specifically want to go into womens bathrooms have learning disabilities. online they get really focused on because they lack self awareness but this isn't what being trans is
>>44033002its not even 'keep being a man' its becoming more and more masculine each day. really all transition is, is the choice to stop that and instead become more and more feminine each day.
>>44033131i dont watch tranny porn or any porn>>44033132>>44033138i mean will hair styling and some gym workouts really give me a body worth anything or is this just a memeim not fat im actually very skinny
>>44033150you have repper brain and so don't hang out with any hot trans women. hot trans women have no reason to post about being hot and trans in public places unless they're doing so to make money. in fact being hot and trans then gives you a reason to be quiet about it because you don't want to advertise it too widely if you pass well. i'm not sure what to tell you, passing is a realistic goal for most trans girls if they are not like 50 when they start, and if they are willing to go through an unimaginable amount of bullshit to get there
>>44033150>i dont watch tranny porn or any pornwhy don't you watch porn? Not that there's anything wrong with that
>>44033150>hair stylingLonger hair and face-framing cuts will help you be percieved as more effeminate and often accentuate the aspects you like and draw away from parts you do. honestly just go for the big circle classes plus bangs and you're basically a twinkhon>gym workoutsidk man, if you want a big ass/ bigs thighs with a lean torso this will work if you commit
>>44033150No, it won’t. If you want to have a feminine body you must take estrogen>is this just a memeYes, more literally than you think. This image is the subject of frequent ridicule for misleading people into thinking they can look like a girl without girl hormones.
>>44033172you are a lot more grounded than I am ty nona. i need to stop humoring reppers
>>44033093>>44033098i have been on this small pharma scam hormone for a year now lmao, it didnt even make my skin smoother or whatever or change my face in subtlest of ways or shrink my balls or my muscles or my feet even a little bit, or make my hands look less moidy and veiny nooooit did one thing. it now hurts like a fucking bitch to get hard. still do sometimes though ! so not even that's fixed.im killing myself next month after meeting my bf for the first and the last time.
>>44033161im currently 20 but unimaginably lazy and probably severely unmedicated for my adhd and autism >>44033162i dont have a reason to, seeing people having sex makes me jealous instead of horny>>44033166im not wearing ugly fucking glasses kill yourself lmaoive never been to a gym>>44033172well can anybody look like a girl
>>44033172>has never been through puberty awardstop projecting your gigaluckshitness retard
>>44033182wtf thats so ass! are you able to switch to a different provider or order better stuff through DIY websites?
>>44033185>severely unmedicated adhdIf you have insurance I would suggest speaking to a psych or therapist about meds (WORTH IT, ritalin is awesome). >not doing X, not doing Ybro stfu and just get on estrogen. if you imagine yourself in 5 years would you be happier as more femme presenting or entirely masc?
>>44033201you rly just dont wanna believe it do youi said small pharma as in, diy, i take 7mg een (or more when im more depressed) a week lolthere is no "better stuff" that suddenly will work, it's still estradiol. it does NOT make you a woman. it turns women without breasts into women with breasts. it turns masculine men into masculine faggots.
>>44033210I would not feel any better being more ugly but mannish
>>44033185>>44033217that's a very high dose. You should get your blood levels checked to make sure everything's how it should be. If you're not getting skin changes at all, you probably need an antiandrogen
>>44033230i (OP) am not >>44033217 >>44033182dont confuse me withan entirely different nigga
>>44033217Sorry my second response was for the repper lol. my experience differs greatly so I cannot help I am sorry. if you're doing mono mayhaps start on an aa..
>>44033217btw im not even saying people shouldnt get on estrogen. im saying you shouldnt advertise it as the magic potion that turns you into a woman tm symbol. if i never started believing in those lies i would just be a regular repper moid now who would be depressed and shit still but could probably go on without literally having to kill myself over ts like i do now lol
>>44033226ig bro, just medicated for adhd and come back to this in teh future
OP DONT DO IT OPread>>44032821and>>44028067>>44028102>>44028125>>44028156
>>44033243you're right, I am overly optimistic and energetic with trying to give advice that usually sucks
>>44033256quite literally too much text for me to read to care manthis is just someone elses sob story >>44033250i said i would not like being manly
>>44032819>going into womens bathroomspersonally i don't care about bathrooms either but it's mostly about safety and not being harassed if you pass
>>44033268>i said i would not like being manlygod I am tweaking and missread lol. idk man if you dont wanna start hrt I aint gonna convince since im just gonna be giving you some overly optimistic sell because I got lucky
>>440332562nd post is so funny bc the guy is literally saying that the reason he was cured is by not interacting with trans spaces anymore and then he posts this shit IN A THREAD ON THIS SITE
>>44033185>im currently 20 but unimaginably lazy and probably severely unmedicated for my adhd and autismi started transition in my early 20s and now im in my 30s and live as a woman. people in my life do not know i am trans. to comment on your specific body desires, i my boobs are 32DD without surgery and my hips and my body type is soft gamine; i for sure am a bit longer or sharper in some ways than some cis women, but i have soft curves and i have hips like you talk about. i have a very similar body shape to audrey tautou if you would like a reference though i prefer to carry a bit more weight than she does. posting this just so you get an idea of what a trans woman is actual like rather than imagining a creepy old man with tits who is motivated soley by lurking in womens bathrooms
>>44033268at least read the first onepeople here will tell you no matter what you say that you need to troon out, and this will instill doubt and a self perpetuating idea that they might be right. just stay an incel, whether you want to escape your incel maleness in an mef way or "become your own girlfriend" in an agp way or just troon out for guys in an hsts way all of them are mental illness stemming from insecurity. you are an incel reject chud and that's OK
>>44033285>i got luckybut you mean in the sense of just having a relatively feminine body pre-hrt. it is impossible to make an actual defined masculine body (being featureless is actually luckshittery) into a feminine one without severe (& unaffordable for >90% of people) surgical intervention.if you were featureless then hrt can define you into a woman (or by taking test you could become a manly man instead of a twink lol)if you were already feminine then hrt just adds breasts and you already passed before anyway.
>>44033292hi i'm the guy from the thread and this is the one and only time ive used this place or anything related in like 6 months. im just trying to groom people into detrooning
>>44033294see this is the reason why trans women talking about themselves always feels so disingenuous. you're talking about how you are NOW as if that's because you decided to transition. the only thing that matters for someone wanting to transition is what they look like PRE-HRT.
>>44033308>>44033285this whole featureless thing, i dont really have any featuresthe most masculine thing about me besides the voice drop is just my ribcage being as wide as my hipsim just all around nothing i have nothing defining about memaybe thats why i think so much about what i said in the op post, because it would give me a definitive body shape as i am currently theres nothing interesting about me or defining or striking i dont particularly look manly eithernot even my adams apple is visible, i have to put my head at some weird angles for it to protrude >>44033300to be honest life as a total social reject is very lonely and i think of killing myself often
>>44033318sure buddy
>>44033328cool then get on E you might actually become a passoid unlike me who has no other option than dying
>>44033322i decided to transition for lots of reasons and how my body would look is not one of them. i grew up with a lot of room for self expression (though it got less as i grew older) and so i experienced some sort of limited girlhood at some points in my life. i had a delayed puberty and so when i started to significantly masculinise in my 20s i became very distressed. that distress combined with my experiences living as a girl earlier in life let me understand i was trans - i had sort of figured this out and tried to come out in my teens but this was like the thing that solidified it 100% in my mind. at the point i fully socially transitioned i had not yet started HRT and looked awful, my starting point was in some ways enough that people here would have told me to repress forever. but i was not aware of the ways i was lucky because i had not yet gone through the changes HRT would lead to. for example my frame is quite lucky, i just didn't realise because on t i carried quite a lot of muscle that hid it. i have a body that responds really well to e and holds fat in a way that really softens me. so for example my face is lucky in some ways (my jaw is feminine) but clocky in others (i have very sharp high cheekbones and a 'sharp' face in general) and so those changes really changed how my face is read. but its not like i looked at my starting point and knew any of this, i legit thought i was never going to pass. but i transitioned anyway and it turns out for a lot of us, passing is realistic to aim for and we do not understand the ways we might be fortunate. pretrans reppers have a bias towards negativity and pessimism and only see the misfortune - i was the same. it takes a long time to unlearn it and spaces like 4chan are full of people who have not got there yet.
