yes you need to eliminate your intake of nicotine it is not a meme. it’s really unhealthy anyways so there are two good reasons to do so

>>44035189
I smoke cigarettes and have since i was 15 and i transitioned okay. It messes with voice training the most but maybe I’d have better results or bigger boobs if i quit

>>44035278
I see, well at least once I start treatment I'll only have to deal with the biological part of withdrawals instead of the added stress of losing a coping tool since hopefully I won't need it as much

>>44035189
I quit smoking and still got shitty results with my transition so I started smoking again. if you wanna transition you should quit smoking tho it's bad for you.

>>44035285
Can I ask how old you were when you began transitioning? I'm 27 so I probably can't afford to not be putting in 100% towards the process

>>44035312
the reason is twofold, and the anons saying it doesn’t matter either way probably ARENT DOING SKINCARE or realizing THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT ON NICOTINE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE DIRECTED TOWARDS YOUR TRANSITION

>>44035323
I was 20 when I started HRT

>>44035189
i think theres just some anons who will make shit up regarding these subjects on this board and everyone else is too fucking gullible to believe it. like the ppl who will play histrionics and vastly overstate how bad certain health risks are etc etc

americans seem to believe it's okay to bald faced lie to people if it has a slight chance of causing them to be healthier regardless of other consequences so yeah. quit for ur health not b/c its gonna turn u into a scrote. ull still be a woman regardless of what effortmaxxing narcs think lol

>>44035344
case in fucking point this is how these ppl think theyve got a fucking cartoon bird operating their brain

>>44035189
i've been a smoker for 10 years, currently 5 years on estrogen.

like everything else with transition, your mileage may vary. i'm happy with the changes to my body, i got c cups and some mild fat redistribution, especially in my face. maybe if i wasn't a smoker, i could've gotten more feminisation, but i can't know that because i don't have access to the counterfactual - no one does.

its also hard to filter out the effects of nicotine specifically from any other factor of someone's life that can affect how hrt changes them. there's no ideal control group - you'd need people with similar enough genetics, similar lifestyle and diets, similar experiences, etc. conversely, smokers also are generally unhealthier in other ways unrelated to their smoking - any correlation between nicotine use and less feminising effects could just as easily be evidence not of the nicotine use, but of other lifestyle choices and underlying medical/genetic things as the causative factor.

if nicotine really is "sabotaging" your attempts to change your life, its worth noting that abandoning change is also sabotaging them, probably far more so. you can quit smoking any time, but you're only alive once. don't die wondering.

>>44035344
Money is not currently an issue for me thank fuck, but yeah skincare was the only thing I did know nicotine could really mess with before today.

>>44035380
if i have a bird you’ve got a fucking bean up there

>>44035344
realest shit ever. even basic skincare will have a more noticeable effect than smoking ever will. hell, even just doing skincare is itself considered feminine - a cis man starts doing some basic skin care, and people will think he's a bit faggy wit it

>>44035380
To be fair I only started frequenting this board fairly recently and decided to stay because I appreciate how honest and willing to be harsh/realistic people are compare to other tranny communities. So even if a response is overblown in how serious what its saying is I'm down to listed to what they're saying at least

>>44035380
whatever you say man not paying the 5 euro lung cancer daily subscription's probably helpful in the whole financial part of trooning out lmao

it’s probably a real issue but i’d say it’s overblown yeah, don’t let it stop you from starting hrt
depending on what state you’re in you can get your pcp to write a prescription for nicotine patches & gum and get some of the cost of quitting covered that way
if not then use zyns
it takes a while to ween off but you got this :)

>>44035395
Don't worry I'm well past needing to learn the "don't die wondering" thing. If I can quit I will, If I can't for some reason I'm still going to do what I have to so I don't end up roping at 30

>>44035429
don't mistake people who can't see outside their own misery and despair for people who are grounded in reality. if you're miserable, then other people's misery can make them seem more realistic, because it is more familiar. delusion cuts in every direction

>>44035413
>start smoking and vaping five years ago due to being bullied by my superior at work and being severely underpaid/overworked
>have to do specific skincare due to shitty skin
I really should/wanna stop but work is still just so ass and, adjusted for inflation, I make less than when I started working. ADHD, in addition, makes me want to be in an altered state of mind.
God why can't things start being better already? Been fighting for over 15 years just to end up stuck in a job I hate, that barely pays enough to live and I almost an hero'd over.

>>44035450
Genuinely thank you for the warning but I'm aware. I just find it easier and more pleasant to sift through the way some people act here for good takes/advice than the sickening over positivity I've found literally everywhere else my entire life. I've wanted to be a girl since 11 years old and this board is the first time I've properly interacted with other trans people because that's just how put off I have always been with every other community. It's kind of crazy to think this board was right here for a lot of my earlier years where I was being a homophobic edgelord to make myself feel better just a couple boards over.

>>44035447
if you know you're already going to transition, then whether or not nicotine has sabotaged it isn't useful information. you'll either
a) realise you stressed about it for nothing (and should still quit anyway)
or
b) realise you can't do anything about it, and stress about nothing (and should still quit anyway)

don't look for useless knowledge. just learn what you need to so you can do what you need to

>>44035470
I'm sorry to hear that, if it makes you feel slightly less alone in your struggles I recently got diagnosed with adhd so I had been rawdogging it untreated for my whole life and it definitely fucked up massive swathes of my life. Just like the GD shit you have to remember there is lots of ways and methods to deal with it and someday you'll find what works for you and get a real foothold to take your life back.

>>44035470
>why can't things start getting better
trying to make things is better means they're already getting better.
>i make less than when i started working
all the more reason to quit
>adhd makes me want to be in an altered state of mind
same, but that's a part of it too. the vices we use to cope often damn us to keep coping. i didn't want to stop drinking, and it was hard, but it was better than the alternative

>>44035531
I was more asking to know people's opinion on how severely it bogs down the process. Smoking helps me cope with how my life currently is so I was asking to know if I should make the immense effort to quit before starting hrt (in case it was severe to the point it stopped E from doing anything) or if I can take the time to start the process and hopefully get less stressed so then I won't have to rely on nicotine as much which will make quitting easier

>>44035582
fair, my bad. i assumed it was doomposting, you know how this board is and all.

good luck and god speed.

>>44035542
>rawdogging it untreated for my whole life
Same, it fucked my life for good, yet nobody seemed to care when it was obvious I have it and in addition be autistic to some degree. Parents were too busy getting divorced and being at war with each other. Never even had my mom do focusing practice or do homework with me, like she did with my older brother before all the shit went down. (Sadly, she acts like she did nothing wrong, despite not having treated me well back then. Psychological DV)
The neglect only got worse after she left us. Dad didn't do anything because he was too busy with his own life and having a bunch of girlfriends afterwards.
Got the ADHD diagnosis early last year (30+ now) but didn't get to try medication yet. Told the doctors I can't make appointments because I really can't, but nobody seems to be willing to help me with that, so I'm still not medicated.
To me, it feels like I'm still just a kid that got thrown into the world, not knowing how to live. Likely I'm a bit stuck at 6-10, when the worst events happened; dad threatening to off himself, strangling mom for a bit, lots of fights between the two. I got hit in my face for no reason by him at least once.

>>44035571
>all the more reason to quit
Yeah, I've been wanting to quit for those five years, but I'm stuck in limbo between a bunch of issues that keep me from quitting. The hope that I get treated and paid better SOME DAY, not being able to afford moving, severe anxiety, imposter syndrome and being an introvert among them.
I don't even want to stay in this line of work, but it's the thing I know to do best and have no idea what would fit my ever changing interests. Would love to do something that's research focused, like physics or space shit etc, but thanks to getting fucked early on in life, I'm not allowed to study - and I'm bad at academics, likely due to ADHD.
Fuck, normal people don't have any idea how good they have it, how easy life is for them.

>>44035810
Bit of a trauma dump, sorry.

>>44035810
i'm >>44035571

i'm 28, i also got ADHD, only been diagnosed and taking vyvanse since early last year. school and uni were a nightmare for me, ended up dropping out of uni after 4 years.

within 6 months of diagnosis and taking vyvanse, i enrolled to study again, and have since finished that course (6 month entry level course) and now i'm about to start the next one.

you can do it. you're trying, that's where it starts.

>>44035810
I'm not going to pretend like I can truly fully understand what you have been through, I had it rough but you clearly had it much worse, i definitely relate on feeling like you're still a kid internally though and from what i learnt having it untreated for so long does genuinely fuck with your development so it might not be far from the truth. After i got the adhd diagnoses i asked some people i knew that grew up with it and the way they described the treatment made it clear it changed their lives. I don't know what specifically is stopping you being able to make an appointment but im begging you go get it sorted someday, doesn't matter if you have wasted half your life there is always time to enjoy the rest or at the least not be completely broken.

It is funny the topic of adhd came up here, The adhd diagnoses and deciding to stop repping and start hrt both came up in the last two months so a lot has been moving extremely fast for me after years of worsening stagnation. It's very sappy but it has filled me with a lot of hope and I wish you two the best

>>44036533
Well, it wasn't absolutely terrible the entire time - at least from the very few memories I have of that time - but it still did enough damage.
>what specifically is stopping you
I'd guess general anxiety, expected wait times of more than 6 months (with the government actively fucking up this section of medical care), RSD, having to catch up on losing work hours for appointments (this means a major increase in stress) despite having almost no free time nowadays.

>>44036576
>>44035890
I do move forward, mostly with personal development (self worth etc.), but not with work, sadly. There were a few posts I made in a few threads this week that would explain it better - one got called "inspiring" - but in short, I started unmasking, accepting and even liking myself and who I want to be, which is a huge step after decades of the opposite and severe masking (ADHD and suspected autism).

>>44036816
you are going to make it anon. but for the love of god don't forget to make that doctor's appointment at some point, it'll absolutely be worth it from what I've been told

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of course smoking is bad but you already know that. yes you should quit.

whats important here is nicotine. and for nicotine it has no effect on estrogen metabolism unless you take it orally. other routes of administration - no effect

the actual effects of nicotine are systemic, its a vasoconstricter and not just while you are on a buzz. it makes your veins and arteries more narrow over time, as well as while you are smoking. this means that you dont get enough oxygen to the top layer of skin. that means nothing works right, collagen, hair, fat, pores, melanin the skin itself etc

thats why smokers have grey ashy skin with no color and get wrinkles at 30 and you see young women with their hair starting to thin

i was a forever vaper, all diy, dripping atomizer, rebuild coils, refill pods. shit cost less than $30 a year. i still have like a liter of 250mg/ml nicotine and something like 300 flavors and gallons of vg. there is no reason not to diy vape, not finance not cost, physical, health, nothing.

it is a choice to regulate your anxiety with an external tool, that gives you a trade off of being 10-20% more baseline anxious but being able to turn it off at will.

except one thing: nicotine will make you wrinkly and bald. yes even vapes, yes zyn, yes gum. if you are a moid who cares.

quitting my mild vape habit gave me color back in a month and contributed to clearing my acne. i quit a 20 year habit the second i started hrt, which in turn i started bc my hairline went back by one millimeter. i had zero intention to ever quit and a flipped on a dime. nic makes you anorexic and burns like 300-500 calories at rest per day so i also started dieting and exercise seriously to counteract the metabolic increase and not get fat. and i didnt get fat so thats good

i quit by tapering, was easy. started at 6 mg and went all the way down to 0.5mg every time i mix 60mL took a couple months. still carrying a high-pg menthol pod with 0 mg no nic. only hit like once/day