>"The gender I was assigned doesn't feel like it aligns with my identity""You just have gender dysphoria, transition and you'll feel better!">"The sexual orientation I was assigned doesn't feel like it aligns with my identity""You have internalized homophobia. You just need to accept that you're born this way!"Explain how this literally makes any sense. I know I'm not gay, it's just confusion from my shitty dad and unlimited internet access as a kid. This is a clear double standard.
>>44041241nobody's stopping you from marrying a cisf? its not our fault you cant stop thinking about cock OP
>>44041241whatever brother who cares transition to straight if you want to
>>44041241Who the fuck assigned you a sexual orientation
>>44041241Gender dysphoria stems from sexual orientation (either extreme homosexuality or autogynephilia) so this comparison is silly. Anyway you're gay, sorry to be the one to break it to you.
>>44041257>nobody's stopping you from marrying a cisf? its not our fault you cant stop thinking about cock OPWhen did I say it was anyone's fault but my father's? I would marry a woman in a heartbeat if my faulty sexual orientation was treated. I'm not going to marry a woman until I fix this first.
>>44041271me
>>44041268>whatever brother who cares transition to straight if you want toI literally can't. Any attempt at correcting sexual orientation is treated like a crime against humanity.
>>44041281>Gender dysphoria stems from sexual orientation (either extreme homosexuality or autogynephilia) so this comparison is sillyDoes that not just prove my point? If they stem from the same thing then shouldn't I be able to transition my sexual orientation much like someone transitions their gender?>Anyway you're gay, sorry to be the one to break it to you.Literally no proof of this, I know myself more than anyone and I'm not gay. I am attracted to specific traits.
>>44041406You can't change your sexual orientation, people who medically transition are changing certain sex characteristics because of their dysphoria, they're not changing their underlying orientation.>I am attracted to specific traits.What type of traits feminine or masculine?
>>44041451>You can't change your sexual orientation, people who medically transition are changing certain sex characteristics because of their dysphoria, they're not changing their underlying orientation.Who says you can't change your sexual orientation? I see no reason that gender is something that can be changed in accordance to your internal identity and sexual orientation cannot. Both should be acceptable.>What type of traits feminine or masculine?I guess masculine. Things like beards and larger frames. I am only attracted to these traits though, not the actual men who possess them. And a lot of these men are fictional anyways so it doesn't really even count.
>>44041610I don't really believe in the concept of "gender" as some kind of internal identity, I think this is where the confusion is coming from. Regardless many people have tried to change sexual orientation with poor results, you're welcome to try anyway but I doubt it'll work.
transgenderism is a conspiracy to sterilize homosexuals
>>44041241>Want to have sex with men have sex with men>Want to have bodily characteristics different from the ones that you do have undergo chemical or surgical alterations to achieve the bodily characteristics that you want to haveAs you see, it actually is consistent. However, you’ve done mental acrobatics in order to frame it otherwise—perhaps maliciously.
>>440417304chan deleted the arrows I had placed between desire and action. Oh well
>>44041688No, it isn’t. You are psychotic.
>>44041667>I don't really believe in the concept of "gender" as some kind of internal identityWell I guess I differ then, but I don't know a lot about gender theory. >Regardless many people have tried to change sexual orientation with poor results, you're welcome to try anyway but I doubt it'll work.I believe those poor results are because so many people are attempting to use faulty religious guidance instead of actual science. If conversion therapy wasn't made taboo decades ago I believe there would already be a way to fix sexual orientations.
>>44041730>Want to have sex with menI don't want to have sex with men. That's the whole reason I know I'm not gay, even if I find certain male traits attractive. I am aroused by their characteristics, not the actual man. And a large part of that is focused on fictional men.
>>44041753I believe sexuality is innate and trying to forcibly change it is a pointless endeavor, religious or otherwise. The best you could achieve would be to remove sexual desire through castration or drugs like ssris, but even that doesn't get rid of the underlying neural pathways, it only removes fuel for the fire.
>>44041746yes it isin 100 years people will remember that I was rightand tried to speak outeveryone always says>why did the holocaust happen, why did they let itbecause there's always 100x as many people screamingly loudly trying to do the bad thingvs 1 person trying to fix the situation
>>44041782Nobody's forcing you to have sex with men, if you don't want to just don't. But you're still at least somewhat androphilic from your description.
>>44041753I recommend reframing the problem. You've got some psychosexual bullshit going on for certain. Dealing with that doesn't mean you're changing your orientation; you're just figuring out what your orientation is and/or unpacking whatever trauma draws you to fictional men with beards.
>>44041820I was a straight boy. I transitioned. I mostly date transgender women, but I've dated cis women before. I've never been aroused by the idea (or reality) of myself as a woman. I've never been attracted to men. How does my situation fit into your conspiracy?
>>44041610this is because society tends to regard sexuality and gender as innate properties of people, rather than as social relations based on preconceived idealsthe inverse of "i can't change my sexuality" is "i can change who i have sex with". the distress you feel at your own attraction to men doesn't mean you're gay, if we don't think that homosexuality as a natural property, but instead as an experience and an embodied lifestyle.some people wake up at 50 having lived their entire life a certain way, and then suddenly say "i don't feel like i can live like this anymore", and then just make the conscious choice to change their actions.inversely, someone can experience gender dysphoria, then post transition think "actually, i don't want this anymore". what you "are" in any single moment does not reflect an eternal essence of who you always were, or who you will always be. i'm trans due to my social relationship and lived experience as someone who has transitioned and lived as a different sex role than the one i was assigned at birth, not because transness is an a priori real category.if you don't want to be gay, that's fine. maybe it is internalized homophobia, i don't know, i don't really care. it's not me who's in distress about it. you've got to do what you feel is right for you in any given moment, and try to come to terms with the fact that maybe, you might change again.
>>44041831>Nobody's forcing you to have sex with men, if you don't want to just don't. But you're still at least somewhat androphilic from your description.If I was androphilic that would make me gay. There's a big distinction between being attracted to characteristics that happen to be on men, and being attracted to men.
>>44041871lots of gay men call themselves straight>im a man who dates other menso ur gay
>>44041927What are you attracted to then? Maybe you're asexual or don't find find people in general to be appealing idk.
>>44041999>What are you attracted to then? Maybe you're asexual or don't find find people in general to be appealing idk.I'd say I'm asexual but find certain traits appealing. I am not attracted to women yet, although I hope to be one day. I'm definitely not attracted to men.
>>44041379Who are you going to asking for assistance with you trans-straight transition? And what are you expecting from them?You can change your sexual orientation on your own... Just loop gynephilic attraction hypnosis all day for like a month. Thats more or less how I became homosexual, worked for me. >>44041271Heterosexuality is assigned by default to everyone, historically at least
>>44042098>historically at leaststill is
>>44041271Assigned Fag At Birth
>>44041241it's ok to be prison-fag op (you're already a fag on account of being op)it's also ok to unprisonfag yourself
>>44041241I've made this point 5000 quadgorillion times and nobody cares. Most people just pick up whatever beliefs are socially acceptable and then reject ones that aren't, no matter how contradictory they are in their own minds. Most "people" are just cattle to be quite honest.
>>44041241The LGBT is pushing an ideology that's why it doesn't make sense.
>>44045301oh?
>>44041241LGB- sexuality T- mental disorder
>>44042098>Who are you going to asking for assistance with you trans-straight transition? And what are you expecting from them?I don't really have any options at the moment, the taboo of conversion therapy in the US means no one is willing to perform it outside of religious nutcases. I hope that one day I do have the treatment I deserve. I expect them to correct my brain so that I am attracted to women.
>OP itt trying to explain why he can't just marry a cis woman
>>44046075What's wrong with being gay?
>>44046100nothing
>>44046100>What's wrong with being gay?I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay, I just know I'm not. People who transition don't think it's "wrong" to be their assigned gender at birth, it just doesn't align with who they are.
>>44047866>I don't think there's anything wrong with being black I'm just bleaching my skin because I know I'm white inside
>>44047911Race is an innate trait solely decided by genes, sexuality is caused by your development, which is why kids who get touched or have shit fathers end up gay more often than not, even if there is a partial genetic component. Sexual orientation is nothing like race.
>>44048300>kids who get touched or have shit fathers end up gay more often than not, even if there is a partial genetic componentMfs will say anything to justify liking some dick
>>44048300sexual orientation is an innate trait decided by genesyou are just a homophobe>which is why kids who get touched or have shit fathers end up gay more often than notim sure these studies are super trustworthy
>>44048300>which is why kids who get touched or have shit fathers end up gaylook into cause vs effect
>>44041241who tf assigned you a sexual identity? what are you talking about?
>>44041688average schizoposter
>>44048344>Mfs will say anything to justify liking some dickI don't like dick, I like masculine traits that happen to be on men. I've never been attracted to a dick before.
>>44048457>I like masculine traits that happen to be on men.So you like ftm?
>>44048407>sexual orientation is an innate trait decided by genes>you are just a homophobeWish I could believe the cope like you but the evidence is irrefutable.https://vimeo.com/717516287https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_AssociationIt has ALWAYS been this btw. You can look throughout human history, and homosexuality is ALWAYS pederasty.
>>44048478NAMBLA was a conservative Christian psyop from day 1 designed expressly to provide fuel to homophobes like youmen dating little girls, however, is much more common, and hundreds of years ago, was pretty much the standardnobody would have batted an eyelash at a 40 year old marrying a 14 year old in 1800. So, I think your complaint is just projection.
>>44041241There are many places where conversion therapy is legally available if you're truly interested in it, but I don't know of any method that actually works. You can live in celibacy too
>>44048477>So you like ftm?I don't like men or women, just specific traits.
>>44048488>NAMBLA was a conservative Christian psyop from day 1 designed expressly to provide fuel to homophobes like youLMAOOO you are literally coping because you'd rather believe the extremely well documented history of pederasty throughout human history is all just a coincidence than the obvious truth in your face.>men dating little girls, however, is much more commonYeah because 95% of men are attracted to women. If you look at the rates proportionately, pederasty is far more common than it should be considering the amount of men attracted to other men. It's almost like there's a link between the two, hmm
>>44048544So you like men men but not men men men?
>>44048544Just call yourself asexual or volcel and leave it at that.
>>44048647>Just call yourself asexual or volcel and leave it at that.That is what I do but anytime I post my thoughts online people will insist I must be gay and repressing it. I don't get to vent my frustrations because no one will believe me.
