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>le transfeminism meme
Sigh. I wish that there were a movement, or at least a philosophy, or at least a sketch of a philosophy that acknowledges that trans women are hated because (a) we’re perceived as men/males and (b) masculinity and maleness are stigmatized in our society. Even Serano acknowledges this to some extent (especially in her newer writings) but she still clings to (trans)feminism.
As well as acknowledges that feminism is a mythological project built around an essentialized subject (“woman”) that has never existed as a coherent class, and that feminism has always stigmatized masculinity and maleness, even in its earliest iterations (e. g., Wollstonecraft’s writings).
Is there a philosophy like this with literature? If so, PLEASE drop the titles. I am dying to read something like this, a book or at least an essay in which some one has systematized thoughts like these that have been floating around in my head for years.

>>44042462
Also if such a philosophy does exist and is AGP-positive (or at least -neutral) that would be stellar
The closest I can think of is Andrea Long Chu’s philosophy (if you can call it that, although it’s not very systematized), but even ALC has positive feelings about feminism (even though she simultaneously acknowledges that it’s impossible)

Well I'm starting to hate transfems because of all the evil hateful bullshit they post incessantly

>>44042492
They are incels in women's clothing and cannot contain their hatred for real females. Taking HRT and putting on girl clothes does not change their underlying personality or terrible perceptions of women.

>>44042492
I mean a trans dood told me i deserved to get raped on here but I don’t hate you guys holistically

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>>44042507

>>44042507
Their perceptions of cis women are accurate, which is precisely what you dislike about them; you dislike that trans women perceive you accurately.

>>44042541
This is not relevant to anything I said. Go throw your manipulative pity party elsewhere.

>>44042576
Their perception of women is a seething misogynistic incel's perception of women 9 times out of 10. I am not a cis woman or FTM either, you fucking retard.

>>44042462
Maybe Valerie Solanas' manifesto? If you take it from the opposite direction.

>>44042584
>Their perception of women is a seething misogynistic incel's perception of women 9 times out of 10
Trans women are on the whole more left wing than cis women and proportionally more of them consider themselves feminists. Like there are cis women who thought Roe v Wade being overturned was a good thing but I think you’d really have to dig to find a trans woman who thinks so.

>>44042507
>They are incels in women's clothing and cannot contain their hatred for real females
source?

>>44042598
Caring about abortion while still viewing and treating women like shit does not make you a feminist. It makes you an incel that wants sex to be consequence free societally and/or a reddit male that says liberal lines for updoots and to not get excommunicated from your queerslop community, while you still treat and view real women like shit and/or fetish objects.

>>44042625
>It makes you an incel that wants sex to be consequence free societally
First of all I only have sex with men, second of all, how can somebody be an incel who has tons of “consequence free” sex and gets women pregnant. Seems like a contradiction of terms
>while you still treat and view real women like shit and/or fetish objects.
I mean trans women very often do get treated like shit and like fetish objects. So that’s actually a way that trans women and cis women can relate on I guess. Idk what the rest of your post is trying to convey but you’re coming off like you’re pretty upset. Maybe take a breather and think about what you say before you say it

>>44042413
I feel like it's always been blatantly obvious how much trannies are hated by every single demographic
>>44042492
in general or on here?

>>44042655
>First of all I only have sex with men, second of all, how can somebody be an incel who has tons of “consequence free” sex and gets women pregnant. Seems like a contradiction of terms
You can fuck men and still act like an incel that's deeply jealous/envious/lustful of women and seething over your inability to possess/become them.

>>44042692
As we all know cis women are never envious of other women or their inability to look like other women (>become lol). You’re really grasping at straws here to make this incel thing work. Is wanting to look prettier really the same as wanting to possess somebody without consideration for their feelings?

>>44042587
I vaguely know what it’s about from ALC’s commentary on and from Wikipedia’s summary of it, but I haven’t gotten around to actually reading it. Do you care to elaborate on what you mean?

>>44042707
You could look pretty as a man, but you want to become a woman instead. It is not about pretty or any other trait besides "woman".
Cis women are not envious of other women like an incel.
>wanting to possess somebody without consideration for their feelings?
Trannies do not care about cis women's feelings. If a cis woman expresses discomfort, she is immediately called a terf and offered no understanding. Trannies do NOT care about women 99% of the time even if they regurgitate the political lines they've been told their "community" is supposed to believe in (lest they be a bad liberal and get kicked out of the group!). The way they ACTUALLY treat women betrays them.

>>44042730
>You could look pretty as a man, but you want to become a woman instead. It is not about pretty or any other trait besides "woman"
Wanting to look prettier as a woman is in a way wanting to be more of a woman. Lots of cis women talk about not feeling “woman” enough from time to time, because they don’t fit into the platonic ideal of a “woman”
>but what if trannies make them uncomfortable??
If a white person says black people make them uncomfortable should we respect that feeling or acknowledge that’s a bigoted thing to say? They want to ostracize trans women and you say they instead get ostracized and I’m supposed to feel guilty about that? I have cis women friends who, during a time when I was still uncomfortable using the womens room would insist that I would. Why do TERFs get to be the arbiters of cis women’s feelings? What does any of this have to do with possessing somebody? You keep moving goalposts

>>44042787
>Wanting to look prettier as a woman is in a way wanting to be more of a woman.
Lmao. BEING BEAUTIFUL MAKES YOU MORE OF A WOMAN! Truly spoken like a moid.

>If a white person says black people make them uncomfortable should we respect that feeling or acknowledge that’s a bigoted thing to say?
Stupid ass race comparisons again, as usual. Better comparison is if a BLACK person says that a WHITE person who CLAIMS to be black is making them uncomfortable.

>They want to ostracize trans women and you say they instead get ostracized and I’m supposed to feel guilty about that?
They want to be able to say "no" to males, including trans women, and not be forced to share intimate spaces with the category of person who is their #1 natural predator (males) and capable of impregnating them.

>Why do TERF
"Everyone who disagrees with me is a TERF!!!! If I call you a nazi I don't have to address any logic!!!" You fuckers are all the same.

>>44042830
>>44042830
>Lmao. BEING BEAUTIFUL MAKES YOU MORE OF A WOMAN! Truly spoken like a moid
This is just a thing cis women say. It shouldn’t be that way obviously but we live in a society, and a patriarchal one at that. Women who aren’t thin or conventionally attractive get treated worse.
>Better comparison is if a BLACK person says that a WHITE person who CLAIMS to be black is making them uncomfortable.
Why is that a better comparison?
>They want to be able to say "no" to males, including trans women, and not be forced to share intimate spaces with the category of person who is their #1 natural predator (males) and capable of impregnating them.
>"Everyone who disagrees with me is a TERF!!!! If I call you a nazi I don't have to address any logic!!!" You fuckers are all the same.
Is calling trans women, men, and seeking to exclude them from womens spaces not the core of TERFism? How else would you like me to characterize the views you’re claiming all cis women have?

>>44042830
Beauty is inherently linked to gender
Especially as a woman. It completely changes how people, especially cis men behave towards you and how society perceives you, women and men have been pushed into dumb beauty standards for thousands of years. Beauty is a component of gender

The want to be beautiful is the want to be treated as a person

>>44042866
>This is just a thing cis women say.
Wow crazy how no cis woman has ever told me this. The only times I ever hear this are from women who either have PCOS and are growing a fucking beard or something (so like no shit they don't feel like a woman), or are having infertility issues.

>Why is that a better comparison?
Because that is an actual parallel to the situation's dynamics. Are you retarded?

>Is calling trans women, men, and seeking to exclude them from womens spaces not the core of TERFism?
I never called them men. I called them male (because they literally are, regardless of gender identity) and trans women. Not men.

>How else would you like me to characterize the views you’re claiming all cis women have?
I did not claim "all cis women have these views" you manipulative weirdo. Same as I didn't call them men. You can stop putting words in my mouth just because you can't do anything but play victim and lie about what's happening.

>>44042873
People aren't mistaking the white trash walmart mom for "not a woman" just because she's ugly. They do that because of an absence or presence of sex traits. You could be the ugliest bitch in the world but if you still got female sex traits, you're not getting cast out of woman gender. Woman =/= beautiful. Woman = female sex traits. There was no reason for you to even reply to me.

>>44042958
>Wow crazy how no cis woman has ever told me this
>Lists some type of cis women who say this
Maybe you’re just not as tuned to what cis women think and say as you believe?
>I never called them men. I called them male (because they literally are, regardless of gender identity) and trans women. Not men.
Kinda a distinction without a difference. Characterizing trans women as incels in womens clothing is essentially saying they are not women in any real way. Saying they’re males and that they therefore should always be considered at risk of raping somebody is also kinda saying that. Your worldview doesn’t cohere. Again I think you’re just getting mad and not thinking through anything you’re saying
>I did not claim "all cis women have these views" you manipulative weirdo. Same as I didn't call them men. You can stop putting words in my mouth just because you can't do anything but play victim and lie about what's happening.
I mean you did pretty heavily imply it when you said trans women don’t care about “cis women’s” feelings. Which cis women’s feelings should I care about? The ones that want to include trans women or the ones that don’t?
>People aren't mistaking the white trash walmart mom for "not a woman" just because she's ugly. They do that because of an absence or presence of sex traits.
Isn’t that a form of ugliness? Not having enough “feminine” features or if you prefer “visible female sex traits”. I think you’re not quite aware of how misogyny functions in the real world. I’d recommend you read some feminist literature or something. Expand your horizons.

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The midwittery and bad faith on this board is relentless

>>44043040
Make a good argument then

>>44043033
fuck em up nona

>>44043033
>Maybe you’re just not as tuned to what cis women think and say as you believe?
Nope, you're just pulling shit out your ass to justify that your primary perception of woman is "HOT, BEAUTIFUL, SEXY".

>Kinda a distinction without a difference.
Uhh, no, huge difference. Only males can impregnate females. Women do not fear getting pregnant from a female rapist. That is something only a male can do to them. Women are not primarily targeted for violence by females; that is, again, males. Women are aware of this but are told "too bad, TERF" if they express your feelings despite you claiming to care about them.

>Characterizing trans women as incels in womens clothing is essentially saying they are not women in any real way.
I said most of them act like incels. Because they do.

>Saying they’re males and that they therefore should always be considered at risk of raping somebody is also kinda saying that.
Only males can impregnate females during rape. Only males have astronomical rates of raping and committing serious violence or murder against females, not other females.

>Your worldview doesn’t cohere.
It does. Material reality just upsets you so you make up whatever lie you need to to cope and convince yourself reality isnt real, the lie is.

>I mean you did pretty heavily imply it when you said trans women don’t care about “cis women’s” feelings.
Because you on average do not. If a cis woman's feelings are inconvenient, you call her a hysterical terf and shut her down.

>Isn’t that a form of ugliness? Not having enough “feminine” features or if you prefer “visible female sex traits”. I think you’re not quite aware of how misogyny functions in the real world. I’d recommend you read some feminist literature or something. Expand your horizons.
You're a fucking moron and don't know shit about feminism. Look in a mirror.

>>44043040
On the mongolian basket weaving forums? Yeah nonny i really don't know what else you expected.
>Cis women are not envious of other women like an incel.
we have everything we need, now thank him for his time

>>44043076
I think this might be more about your feelings than anybody else's.

>>44043102
I am not female + no, many women voice similar opinions. You guys just don't care and make up dumb shit like omg ur mad and hysterical and a terf to shut them down and ignore their consent, feelings, etc.

>>44043048
It’s futile to present arguments to you and your ilk because they run off you like water off a greased whore.

>>44043033
>Isn’t that a form of ugliness? Not having enough “feminine” features or if you prefer “visible female sex traits”.
Androgynous elfen type women (and even men) are often thought of as one of the most beautiful archetypes. True androgyny is not ugly. Sex traits =/= beauty. Lack of sex traits does not = ugly.

>>44042413
i agree but i have a few tme friends i rly love

>>44043150
>It’s futile to present arguments to you and your ilk because you successfully refute them and it makes me feel bad.

>>44043040
>>44043174
QED

>>44042492
nigga, you see how other afabs treat us right? this isn't something that just popped up out of nowhere, This whole Jax thing was an eye opener to how afabs REALLY view trans women. I would argue it's not hatred, but a heart breaking reality that revealed how afabs see us.

>>44043184
All AFABs contemn all AMABs, even if they feign otherwise. No exceptions.

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>>44043184
>This whole Jax thing was an eye opener to how afabs REALLY view trans women.

All the post says is they headcanoned Jax as a trans man and believe Jax, a fictional character in a cartoon, makes more sense as a trans man.
Yeah, they view you soooo awful. Because they headcanon their blorbo as FTM. Oh no, what will they do next, write fanfiction AU with FTM Jax? How hateful to trans women.

>>44042413
>transfeminism
>tme people
you need to go back

>>44043212
obviously I'm not talking about the fucking headcanon. I'm talking about the broad scope of how much afabs hate us on a subconscious level. it has nothing to do with this headcanon

>>44043223
Probably because 99% of all sexual, violent, and lethal crimes committed against them are by males, and 1 in 3 women are victims of these crimes. And because the majority of you act like incels.

>>44043236
It's funny how you don't see the irony in your replies to me. I'm somehow the hateful one but you keep misgendering me, and Calling me an incel. Funny how that works.

>>44043247
You are being manipulative right now. Nothing I said is hateful and I never misgendered you. Male is a sex, not a gender. You have a male sex whether you like it or not, or else you would no be trans. If you were female, you would be cis and not need to "transition". This is reality.
I also did not call you an incel; I said most of you behave like incels. Because you do.

Your manipulation attempt did not work. Try again.

>>44043247
It actually is consistent in their mind, you see, because they don’t see you as human.

>>44043259
every time you reply to me, it just further convinces me that I'm right. I don't want to be right because it's depressing, but I am unfortunately.

>>44043266
Cool delusion, retard. You really huffing that copium.

>>44043283
Overly simplistic levels of reasoning when it comes to how sex is more like a spectrum and how hormones play a much larger part on gene expression than the genes thenselves. Just because you got called a retard doesn't mean you should go doing it to others to compensate for that insecurity

>>44043317
Miniscule hormone variances do not negate male reproductive organs and male fertility with a total absense of female ones. That is male sex. Trannies are not le heccin intersex in some ambiguous middle of the spectrum state. The majority of them have sexual development and hormone levels completely within normal male spectrums.

>>44043328
You hate trans women. just say that bro, we already know you don't like us.

>>44043340
>"Waaah anyone that proves me wrong or disagrees with me hates me and wants me dead"
Every fucking time.

>>44043328
Sauce?

>>44043345
you didn't prove me wrong though. you just implied that I'm an incel and basically called me a man. You obviously have some sort of grudge against trans women. idk why you're even trying to pretend to be tolerant of us. If you hate us so much, just say it.

>>44043348
Are you fucking retarded?
Trannies are not walking around with vaginas fat tits pre hrt. They are going through male puberty. They have male sex organs. They have male sex functions. They have male sex traits. Many of them father children in their lives, but will never be pregnant. Because they are sexually reproductive as MALES -- this is SEX.

>>44043359
>"Waaah anyone that proves me wrong or disagrees with me hates me and wants me dead and also NO I'M NEVER WRONG"

>>44043184
Why not say women? Why is it always afab? Even for people who don't weaponize their agab it's always afab this afab that. You hate everyone you see as a woman and you see trans men as women regardless of their thoughts or beliefs on trans women.

>>44043406
>WAAAAAH WHY DID YOU CALL ME A MALE? STOP MISGENDERING ME, TERF! YOU HATE TRANS WOMEN!
>refers to females in underhand acronym style as if this is any different than just saying fucking female

>>44043429
also lmao @ this fucking tme vs tma bullshit tumblr troons cooked up because they needed to feel like the truly oppressed class once they took up residence on one of the few female dominated websites on the internet (that also has a strong feminist undertone) JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SAY FUCKING FEMALE SLY STYLE TO CONTINUE SEXISM FOREVER

>>44043406
because you're the one who keeps calling me male. simple as.

>>44043483
I have never once called a trans woman a male. I don't see trans women as men. You are the one calling trans men afabs as a coy way to refer to them as women. Simple as.

>>44043348
So you got no sauce and just being an emotional male. Gotcha

>>44043483
Different poster, retard.
Also that post you made >>44043184 was not in response to me. You chose to say afab way before I even entered conversation with you. You sure do love to be deceptive and twist the truth and hope no one notices!

>>44043490
It's a coy way to refer to them as FEEEEEEMALES even though when this is put into plain words (ie: "your sex is male, even if you are a woman in terms of gender identity") towards them they cry and scream YOU HATE ME, JUST ADMIT YOU WANT ME DEAD!!!!

>>44043525
Sauce on what? Your dick and balls? Your sperm? Your blatantly normal male puberty? Your inability to get pregnant, and ability to impregnate? Retard.

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>>44043525
>male

>>44043534
>>44043533
wow, you're so fucking progressive. and you wonder why I call you AFAB. because you don't understand what trans women have to go through or have gone through. You get to be a male now, so who gives a shit right? I say AFAB because the majority of people bashing Trannies for relating to Jax ARE AFABS. I see trans men as men, but it doesn't matter because theyfabs, theymabs, ftms, or just fake progressives constantly throw us under the bus in favor of "real woman". Maybe my wording is bad because I genuinely do see ftms as men and I respect them, but a lot you don't respect amabs. You are so quick to tear trans women apart compared to cis women, because you DON'T see trans women as women.

>>44043546
I didn't wonder why you called me AFAB. Again, wrong poster, dumbass. I am not an FTM or a cis woman or whatever other bullshit your REEEEEE FEEEEEEMALES retarded ass keeps trying to cope with.

>I say AFAB because the majority of people bashing Trannies for relating to Jax ARE AFABS.
I say male because the majority of people who bash on women's skulls ARE MALE.

>>44043554
then why the fuck am I even arguing with you?? go fuck off somewhere.

>>44043184
im not chronically online except for here, what have people been posting?

>>44043562
Because you are seethingly mad that FTMs said hey if you relate to Jax you might be some sort of 4chan incel and keep replying to me because you think I am female and therefore you need to rage at me lmao.

>>44043571
Purple troon bunny.

>>44042730
>Cis women are not envious of other women like an incel.
lmao open any social media app

>>44043582
>like an incel
learn 2 read scrub

>>44043587
i meant what i said lol

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>>44043571
shit like this garbage.

>>44043576
I don't give a shit what you are honestly, all I know is you're someone who will never understand what trannies have to go through. You're ignorant as fuck and calling a trans woman an incel just goes to show, people like you don't value us as humans.

>>44043591
still doesn't replicate the patterns of or motivations behind incel seethery/envy

>>44043592
>ftms mirror creator's opinion that jax is a terrible, awful person who behaves terribly
>loony troonies: OH MY GOD THEY HATE TRANS WOMEN

>all I know is you're someone who will never understand what trannies have to go through.
lmao. lol even.

>calling a trans woman an incel just goes to show, people like you don't value us as humans
"I IDENTIFY WITH THE LITERAL INCEL 4TRAN ANTAGONIST CARTOON TROON, BUT YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE IF YOU ARE FEMALE AND AGREE WITH THE CREATOR THAT HE IS A SHITBAG PERSON!"

You run on like two brain cells and manipulation/guilt/deception tactics.

>>44043597
it literally does, the average cis woman's take on beauty, the effort they put into beauty, the idolization/seething about women prettier than them, and their opinions on the opposite sex are on par with incels

>>44043618
nigga stfu, I'm arguing with a down syndrome. this shit is a waste of time, and you're clearly not listening to me. typical cissiod/fake trans shit.

>>44043623
Again a dumbfuck troon conflates "beauty" with "female".
Women do not envy women for being female. They are already female. Women can envy beauty (among a million other traits that are Not Sex, nor Sex Traits), but the definition of female is not "beautiful" or "sexy". These are different concepts.

A female cannot seethe in rage that a female, on account of being female, is an inferior sex to them (the male). They are the same sex. If this component is missing, it cannot be the type of incel moid bullshit females receive from males.

>>44043624
"If you prove me wrong or make any points I can't refute I will just say this is a waste of my time. I will however continue to reply to you after this and continuously try to debate you in spite of my previous claim; I just couldn't think of a reply/refutation to the previous post, and think this is an easy cop out that won't immediately fail, because I am fucking retarded."

>You run on like two brain cells and manipulation/guilt/deception tactics.

>>44043624
>fake trans
>boymoder flag
Rich.

you're so close to getting it. gooseworx is a trans feminist whos familiar with some of the culture here. these things probably come from the same place, she's homegrown in /lgbt/ philosophy threads or her transfeminism causes her to be drawn to the trannies who are the most villified and hated on the internet.
>>44042830
your implication is politically true perhaps but it doesnt rlly matter what your ideology is, you're a miserable person and you identify with it, you identify it with your womanhood.
imagine if there were trans women who agreed with you. that women are made through their immiseration, that how sad and suffering you were was what made you a woman. that would be crazy right?

you talk about womanhood this way and even show up to call us all anti black then seem to conveniently forget that black women were not even considered humans of the same race as you or i once. this is because of white privilege, it is because "woman" as opposed to "female" is an exclusive and privileged category that some get to be and others don't.

>>44043745
>you identify it with your womanhood.
How many times do I have to keep telling you fuckass retards I am not a woman. I am not a female. I am not an FTM.

>that women are made through their immiseration,
At no point did I say females are females because they suffer. "Person who suffers" does not make someone female. Females are females because they have a female sex; they sexually reproduce as the female sex does, they have female sex traits.

>even show up to call us all anti black
Never said that, you schizophrenic freak. Take your fucking meds.

>black women
Not talking about black people. Try another diversion tactic that looks less fucking stupid and is at least relevant to the topic, holyshit.

>privileged category that some get to be and others don't.
Some people reproduce as female and some people reproduce as male. Humans are not deciding who gets this magical ability, lmao. Women aren't "excluding" you from getting pregnant and shitting out babies. Thats your body. That is why you have dysphoria--your sexed body. That is why you are trans and not cis--your sexed body. Not some oppressive evil terf boogeyman lmao, wtf is wrong with you.

>>44042413
Honestly ftms should hate us more than they do. Like what the fuck is this shit too? I don't even know where's the problem.

>>44043779
oh so you're just a nazi.
>diversion tactic
you brought up black people yourself, be honest here. its not a jewish trick, dumbass
>false equivalency between women and female
power outlets and animals can be female, only humans can be women. by definition. humanity is not something you are born with, it is an exclusive affordance of the privileged.

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>>44042541
Ok but white trans women are too privileged and should send money to black folx

>>44043810
>oh so you're just a nazi.
No, I am not a fucking nazi. Holyshit you are a walking stereotype. "I can't argue to save my life because I have zero rational thoughts in my head, anyone who makes me feel bad is like, literally Hitler!" YOU ARE A FUCKING JOKE.

>false equivalency between women and female
>power outlets and animals can be female, only humans can be women.
THIS SAYS NOTHING. Holyfuck you can barely form coherent thoughts.

>Women aren't "excluding" you from getting pregnant and shitting out babies. Thats your body. That is why you have dysphoria--your sexed body. That is why you are trans and not cis--your sexed body. Not some oppressive evil terf boogeyman lmao, wtf is wrong with you.
>Women aren't "excluding" you from getting pregnant and shitting out babies. Thats your body. That is why you have dysphoria--your sexed body. That is why you are trans and not cis--your sexed body. Not some oppressive evil terf boogeyman lmao, wtf is wrong with you.
>Women aren't "excluding" you from getting pregnant and shitting out babies. Thats your body. That is why you have dysphoria--your sexed body. That is why you are trans and not cis--your sexed body. Not some oppressive evil terf boogeyman lmao, wtf is wrong with you.

>>44042958
>Wow crazy how no cis woman has ever told me this
My mother told me it's easier to see me as a woman because I pass vs nonpassers

>>44043850
Wow notice how that sentence didn't contain the word "beautiful".

>>44043855
Most women don't know what "passing" means and beauty and femininity are obviously one and the same when talking about women? Ugly women are called "manly" etc

>>44042462
communism

>>44043866
Wow yet ANOTHER loony troony that can't separate "beautiful" from "female". Hurdur, girl is when sexy and pretty!
You are all so retarded. You're like the 4th one.

>Most women don't know what "passing" means
It means you look like a woman. Fat ugly blob troons can still pass. Do you even hear the shit you say? What part of your brain signs off on this retarded shit? Fire it.

>Ugly women are called "manly" etc
No, ugly women are called ugly. Manly women are called manly. Those are two different words you dumb bitch. A woman can be ugly without being manly. A woman can be manly without being ugly.

>>44043892
Ok!

this thread is embarrassing
why can't we all just get along

>>44043866
Not all women are feminine.

Damn i went to bed and this guy is still nolifing it replying to everybody
>It’s futile to present arguments to you and your ilk because they run off you like water off a greased whore.
Isn’t that what you did? Every time I refuted a point you’d just move on and make a different one.

>>44043982
>this guy is still nolifing it replying to everybody
More like everybody keeps replying to me.

>Every time I refuted a point you’d just move on and make a different one.
You didn't refute anything. No one replying to me here has said anything except the same fuckass retard shit over and over and failed to "refute" anything.

>>44042413
sorry for my mongoloidism but what does TME actually stand for?

>You didn't refute anything
But i did tho. You’re just bad faith adhom man obsessively posting here. Me and my cis friends will keep hanging out and having a good time while u whine in all caps on this board. Im starting to think this is all an elaborate way of repping for you

You’re only point the whole time was trans women are evil and hate FEEEMALES because they don’t do exactly what terfs want and use the mens restroom

>>44044009
"trans misogyny exempt" as opposed to TMA ("trans misogyny affected")

>>44044013
>>44044020
Are you incapable of using the reply function or stupid or what?

>But i did tho.
But u didnt tho!1!!21

>You’re just bad faith adhom man
"Anyone who disagrees with me is posting in bad faith!!1!! on my heccin 4chans where no one ever calls each other names!!!"
Reeeeeeeeeeeetard.

>Im starting to think this is all an elaborate way of repping for you
Retard comes up with another retard delusion.

>You’re only point the whole time was trans women are evil and hate FEEEMALES
That isn't what I said at all lmao. I said most of you act like incels. You are a male on 4chan. You do not magically acquire a different culture instantaneously because you wish it one day and take HRT. You are on the incel website in a thread a about a troon identifying with the chudcel rabbit tranny cartoon character, in which they are angry because 1. an ftm thinks jax, in their personal opinion/headcanon, makes more sense as a FTM and 2. an ftm agrees with the literal creator of the character, that jax is a terrible person. this is presented as if all FEEEEEEEEEMALES are horrible awful people who want them dead because reeeeeee these fucking tmes/afabs/females/women/culturally and era appropriate term have different opinions than my own about fictional cartoon rabbit! it must be because theyre fucking female/unlike me(btw im a woman and just like them) which makes them EVIL AND OUT FOR MY BLOOD IF THEY THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT CARTOON RABBIT OR AGREE WITH ITS CREATOR!!!!!!!!!!!

>That isn't what I said at all lmao. I said most of you act like incels.
Yes you said we act like incels because we won’t do what terfs want

>>44042413
Stop trying to make tme a thing

>this is presented as if all FEEEEEEEEEMALES are horrible awful people
I dont think I ever even implied this. Infact I made it a point to say a lot of cis women would disagree with you

>>44044107
No, that isn't what I said. I said you act like incels. I did not pin it to a very specific singular reason despite your stupid ass trying to misrepresent it this way. You act like incels because of your overall view of and treatment of women.

Also learn to use the reply function holyshit.

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>>44042413
I still think this all comes down to the American/Western philosophy of rugged individualism, which of course has always been primarily applied to men, yet not exclusively. Women who have bucked traditions have always received their share of hate, but they are nonetheless afforded a sort of respect for exhibiting strength and/or the other individualistic qualities associated with men.
Westerners' view of hierarchy seems to go, from top to bottom:
>Men > Women > Children
A woman is viewed as something above a child but below a man, a kind of "half-child". (You really don't have to look far on this site to find men comparing women to children).
So basically, the transmasc journey is seen as a "level up", while the transfem path is seen as something more like regression. You see the kind of disgust people have for "manchildren". Is it really that surprising they would be disgusted by the idea of a man "moving backwards"? Exemptions are made, ofc, for gay guys.

tl;dr people don't hate men, they hate weak men, or at least they hate weak men who are not at least trying to become "stronger".

>>44044114
>I dont think I ever even implied this. Infact I made it a point to say a lot of cis women would disagree with you
Can you fucking read? That was in the context of THE LITERAL PERSON DOING THAT, ABOUT JAX.

Why are you sending a million detached posts without reply? You have some sort of fucking brain damage? I am not going to keep replying to you if you can barely use a fucking computer.

>>44043259
>Your manipulation attempt did not work. Try again.
I mean, an AFAB would know a thing or two about manipulation lmao that's their bread and butter

>No, that isn't what I said. I said you act like incels. I did not pin it to a very specific singular reason despite your stupid ass trying to misrepresent it this way
I mean it was the only specific example you really came up with, that we’re incels for not respecting “cis women’s feelings” (but specificially the cis women who are uncomfortable around trans women). You can gesture at other vague reasons if you want but that’s what you kept bringing up over and over.
>Also learn to use the reply function holyshit
Zomg he’s having (You) withdrawal

>>44044132
afab and amab are fuckass retarded and non-inclusive to intersex people when you just use them as a retarded substitute for "female" and "male"

>>44044135
bye computer illiterate bitch!

>Can you fucking read? That was in the context of THE LITERAL PERSON DOING THAT, ABOUT JAX
Yeah i dont really care about cartoons tho and i havent watched the show

>>44042413
oh em gee my post isson tha big screen yippee yay

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>>44043174
Nobody successfully refutes shit on here. Nobody. I have to agree with some of your views and tend to them while sneaking another idea in subtle. Yes, 95% of you are THAT insecure. The moment I poke nearly anyone here with a view they conceive as antithetical, the game is fucking over. Game over! If you continue any further, you will be insulted, despised, and repressed away. 41% exclusively because of conservatives though, amiright?
QOTT: Have you ever met someone so immensely retarded it's dangerous?

>>44044140
Being as transmisandrist as possible is a cornerstone of MtT culture, pls understand

>>44044203
>you will be insulted
>4chan

>>44044209
>omg the purple bunny that bullies and physically assaults women is soooooooo me guys! and anyone who says he's an asshole is transphobic and a stupid feeeeeeeeeemale in my dumb gay baby code language i invented to escape the real world while pretending i have no idea what the M and F in AMAB and AFAB are representing

>>44044226
Non trans women oppress trans women sorry chud

>>44044211
I know I should expect shit like that on here, but still, this board is represented as the lowest common denominator that causes all sorts of issues for people who want nothing to do with it.
I don't have control over any of this
>then why are you here
waste

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>>44044257
trannies oppress trans women sorry tranny

>>44044269
True. Trans men are moids and once one told me my rapist was right to assault me because I was a sex worker

>>44042413
I can not wait until people here start reading Talia Bhatt lmao

>>44044257
Women are oppressed by systemic violence and sexual exploitation, which is primarily beneficial to and perpetrated by males. Women are not the primary oppressors of women (including trans women). The main people killing you/committing violent hate crimes against you are males, not females.

>>44044282
Not all trans men are moids, that was a moid trans man

>>44042413
Goose’s

Use the possessive u fucjing sonkey brained cunt

>>44042476
>>44042462
grow up

>>44043212
>jax ftm makes more sense
this is not a fucking headcanon you disingenuous sperg. learn to read subtext

its funny how chuds just start mask off nowadays
theyll walk in and derail any thread with the most TTD bloodlust imaginable

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>>44044282
>1 in 3 women will be assaulted by a man
>but one time a feeeeemale said something mean to me!!!!!! its the same!!!! :(

>Cisgender Men: Cisgender males are the largest perpetrators of violent crime globally. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the vast majority of homicides, aggravated assaults, and weapon-related crimes are committed by cis men.
>Transgender Women: Studies analyzing post-transition individuals show that trans women have significantly higher conviction rates for both general and violent offenses compared to cisgender women. Research shows their offending patterns remain statistically similar to natal males.

>76 sex offenders out of 129 trans women = 58.9%
>125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
>13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

>>44044480
>sex offenders
Meaningless statistic when prostitution is included, which trannies are forced to do to survive because of employment discrimination. Also let's break those numbers down by orientation. Oh wait, you won't.

>>44044480
Now control the data for people to only be people who trooned out before committing a crime.

Rapehons aren't trannies lmao

>>44044446
Oh no, the FTM has alternative theories/thoughts/beliefs about/interpretations fictional media, better call them transphobic for it (because they're a feeeeemale/unlike me on some level!!!!)

>A headcanon is a fan’s personal, imaginative interpretation of a story that isn’t officially confirmed by the original creator.

>>44044480
>>Transgender Women: Studies analyzing post-transition individuals show that trans women have significantly higher conviction rates for both general and violent offenses compared to cisgender women. Research shows their offending patterns remain statistically similar to natal males.
What studies show this? If u post the swedish one or the fair play for women one ur gonna get owned

>>44042413
yeah ngl i think the way chuds act in this thread and every other time this stuff is mentioned kinda convinces me of your point unironically. its funny how little self awareness they have to do this in a thread where they'll be proving the point

like it just looks like everyone misunderstanding this shit here is linguistically stunted and unable to perceive nuance/subtext at best

>>44044203
>>44044269
You have to be 18 or older to use this board.

>>44044492
Prostitution was not included. They refer to sexual which are offences against other people, not offences relating to prostitution. This includes things like rape, child pornography, voyeurism, etc.

>>44044524
What is the SOURCE

>>44044498
Is there a correlation between illiteracy and anger issues?

>>44044524
OK onto the second point: separate orientation.

>>44044493
Yes, I'm sure the baby definitely becomes a totally normal, low risk woman after transitioning and would have never violently raped 37 infants or ever committed any other weird sexual behavior if only she'd gotten to be a youngshit.

You are retarded.

>>44044537
what? post your source or kill yourself dumb nigga

>>44044501
>If u post the swedish one or the fair play for women one ur gonna get owned
"if u post a source i don't like then erm ur owned sweaty"

>>44044531
>says guy who couldn't understand the word headcanon and thought they were owning me by saying omg zats not a headcanon!!!!

>>44044532
Cope harder. Never going to match female statistics no matter how many goose chases you demand.

>>44044537
Crime rates for those with mental conditions go down when those conditions are treated, and also you avoid disingenuous "trannies"

>>44044551
>Cope harder.
What's there to cope about? You really think there are male-attracted mtfs out there sexually abusing women they're not attracted to? Get REAL.

>>44044551
>"if u post a source i don't like then erm ur owned sweaty"
No its just because one is deboonked and the other doesn’t say what people say it does
> Dhejne: The individual in the image who is making claims about trans criminality, specifically rape likelihood, is misrepresenting the study findings. The study as a whole covers the period between 1973 and 2003. If one divides the cohort into two groups, 1973 to 1988 and 1989 to 2003, one observes that for the latter group (1989 – 2003), differences in mortality, suicide attempts, and crime disappear. This means that for the 1989 to 2003 group, we did not find a male pattern of criminality.

>As to the criminality metric itself, we were measuring and comparing the total number of convictions, not conviction type. We were not saying that cisgender males are convicted of crimes associated with marginalization and poverty. We didn’t control for that and we were certainly not saying that we found that trans women were a rape risk. What we were saying was that for the 1973 to 1988 cohort group and the cisgender male group, both experienced similar rates of convictions. As I said, this pattern is not observed in the 1989 to 2003 cohort group
Either post your source or stop acting so smug about nothing

>>44044555
>and also you avoid disingenuous "trannies"
Great, too bad females are not allowed to do that because anyone who says they're a woman, is a woman.

>>44044559
>You really think there are male-attracted mtfs out there sexually abusing women they're not attracted to
Do you guys listen to stuff about sexual violence like, at all? Or just perpetrate it?
>FACT: Rape is not about sexual attraction; it's about power and control.

Those stats also weren't solely sex crimes. Violent crime rates are about the same in both trans women and cis men.
>Studies analyzing post-transition individuals show that trans women have significantly higher conviction rates for both general and violent offenses compared to cisgender women. Research shows their offending patterns remain statistically similar to natal males.

>>44044580
>Rape is not about sexual attraction; it's about power and control.
Yeah okay let's see all those homos out there raping women, because reasons.
*looks around*
*tumble weed rolls across the ground*

>>44044590
Rape is not about sexual attraction; it's about power and control.
Rape does not require a penis or erection.
Murdering a or assaulting woman does not require sex with her.
You are retarded.

>>44044612
>Rape does not require a penis or erection
According to UK law it does

if jannies banned like the top 5 board schizos chudposting would crash by 99%

>>44044480
>>1 in 3 women will be assaulted by a man
its a higher proportion of trans women than cis women that get raped
>>but one time a feeeeemale said something mean to me!!!!!! its the same!!!! :(
i mean you’ve been crowing this whole thread about how whenever somebody says trans women are male rapists they get called a bigot or a terf so does people being mean matter or not. is telling a woman she deserved to get raped for being a sex worker not an incel thing to say. is it okay to say it if you’re a cis woman/ trans man?

>>44044657
jannies are chuds themselves it seems

>>44044551
How are you this fucking mad. moids are crazy

>>44044562
>This means that for the 1989 to 2003 group, we did not find a male pattern of criminality.
It did, and even includes a direct response to your "debooooonking!1!!" in the updated version.
>The study provides strong evidence that policy makers cannot safely assume (a) that transwomen’s offending patterns, including violent offending, will be significantly different than those of the general male population or (b) that they will be similar to those of the general female population.
>Has it been discredited?
>Some on-line discussion of this piece describe its findings on offending as discredited. 1 Policy
analysts Murray Blackburn MacKenzie conducted a search of the academic literature and were unable to find any academic rebuttal of these specific findings, or any equivalent study which shows the opposite effect to Dhejne et al’s result.
>The ‘debunking’ of this study appears to be based solely on brief statements made by the lead author in an interview some years later about how the data had been interpreted. Murray BlackBurn MacKenzie2 provide an analysis of these claims:3There is also key data contained in Appendix 2 of that document, which we have attached to the submission.
>The comment accurately reports that in the later period 1989 to 2003, the transitioning group had no statistically significant difference from the population of people of the same birth sex.

>>44044551
>ignores post asking for source
pathetic

>>44044679
>can't copy and paste sentences into google and find shit, can't infer context from conversation despite other people clearly discussing the source and quotes from/about it
skill issue

>>44044670
i'm actually kinda giddy and having a good time
>moids
no u.

>>44044617
Sexual violence, whatever. A penis is not required for a gay man to sexually or physically assault a woman. Your premise is stupid and a diversion anyway.

>>44044715
>Your premise is stupid and a diversion anyway.
Except it isn't.

>>44044701
nice deflection.
>all this schizoposting about trannies over the years
imagine the karmic debt
9231294752 Lifetimes in Lower Realms Guaranteed
Samsara's Weakest Prisoner #1

>>44044723
Yes, it is.
"But what about gay men!?!?!" doesn't change the statistics about trans women retaining a male criminality rate and a higher rate of sexual violence than cis men. Sexual orientation is not relevant in a conversation about murder. Gay vs straight is not relevant in a conversation about trans women having higher rates of sex crimes that include child porn/pedophilia against either sex of child.

>>44044746
I see, you're a misandrist and a brick wall.

>>44044746
Go back to crystal meth-I mean, cafe...

>>44044752
>statistics makes you a misandrist!!!!

>>44044426
world's last surviving grammar nazi

>>44044677
Bro this is a 6 page article where 2 pages is just quotes from Dhejne. It’s written by a group literally founded to make anti trans stuff. The swedish study only differentiates violent crime and non-violent crime and the definition of violent crime here is extremely broad (homicide and attempted homicide, aggravated assault and assault, robbery, threatening behaviour, harassment, arson, or any sexual offense). So this can tell us really basically nothing about how likely trans women are to rape (ignoring for a second that n is like 150 and the fact thats a very tiny sample)

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>>44044787
>2 pages is just quotes from Dhejne
>>44044677
>even includes a direct response to your "debooooonking!1!!" in the updated version.
>The ‘debunking’ of this study appears to be based solely on brief statements made by the lead author in an interview some years later about how the data had been interpreted.
>Author quote: ‘This means that for the 1989 to 2003 group, we did not find a male pattern
of criminality.’ The statement is only true in the trivial sense that patterns of criminality
were simply not examined separately by sex for each period and so no such finding could
be made.It is misleading as a reading of the paper of as a whole which found that males
(including "MtF" transitioners) in the 1989 to 2003 group had male patterns of criminality
and females (including FtM transtioners) had female patterns.

>Transsexual individuals were at increased risk of being convicted for any crime or violent crime after sex reassignment (Table 2); this was, however, only significant in the group who underwent sex reassignment before 1989.
If trannies are inherently rapists whys this the case

>>44042462
Based as fuck takes

>>44044821
Saying that they were at an increased risk after SRS, but now aren't, does not mean that their overall rate of offending is below male levels. It only means there is no longer an additional increase after SRS since 1989.

>>44044841
You’re reading the sentence wrong

>>44044850
No, you are. You are reading what you want to see. All it says is there is no longer an increased risk after SRS. It does not say the other data where it clearly says there is an overall male offending pattern is moot. It says they have male offending patterns, with an increase after SRS, but that the increase has fallen to not very significant levels in later years. As in, what increase there is to the existing baseline male offending rate after SRS, is now very little. It does not contradict the overall base rate.

I'm going to bed you guys can stop shitsing yourself now.

>>44044904
Okie sorry i was cooking up a good response about the MOJ stats.

>>44042413
>thats why she used Isn't She Lovely
The song? I never watched this.

>>44042507
Truth

>>44044867
I had no idea that there was an INCREASE after SRS. I thought chopping their dick off would help

>>44043033
>Characterizing trans women as incels in womens clothing is essentially saying they are not women in any real way.
Well, they are lol. Most women are just too weak to peer pressure and acting nice to tell you what they really think.

>>44045580
>everybody secretly agrees with me actually le silent majority
Bokay

>>44045502
n=191

>>44044226
>physically assaults women
Its a videogame nigga

>>44043892
>Fat ugly blob troons can still pass
Post one right now
>No, ugly women are called ugly
Black women are often labled as masculine because they don't live up to white european beauty standards, ex michelle obama

>>44042730
>It is not about pretty or any other trait besides "woman"
That is because gender disorder is an intersex condition of the brain.

>>44042830
>their #1 natural predator (males) and capable of impregnating them.
Splitting hairs here but uh, HRT prevents that lmao

>>44042413
I remember 1/3 of Tiktok believing Jax was ftm lol I think Goose didn't write it well enough for anyone who isn't mtf

>>44042873
>Beauty is a component of gender
>The want to be beautiful is the want to be treated as a person
To argue otherwise is to argue against the very fabric of society. lmao

>>44043164
>Androgynous elfen type women (and even men) are often thought of as one of the most beautiful archetypes.
by retarded people

>>44043076
>Which cis women’s feelings should I care about? The ones that want to include trans women or the ones that don’t?
Could you respond to this question please? It seems you skipped it in your post.

>>44045580
>Most women are just too weak to peer pressure and acting nice...
totally neutral idea and not inherited from any sot of dominant societal biases

>>44046306
Stop exploiting intersex people.
Trannies do not have a disorder of sex development.
There is no such medical label as "intersex conditions". Intersex is not a medical label. It is a sociopolitical term for people who have innate variations in their sexual anatomy. The brain is not a sex organ. DSDs are disordered SEX development and is only used when there is atypical development of SEX parts.
Why do you people have NO respecr or care for intersex people past appropriating their experiences for better opsec? You are disgusting bigots and think being trans exempts you from exploiting other minorities.

>>44046331
No it doesnt. Plenty of mtfs retain male fertility on HRT. Estrogen is not reliable male sterilization. Plenty of "trans women" are also not on HRT. Plenty of trans women regain male fertility after stoping HRT.

>>44046399
"I only care about women who agree with me and give me what I want. Otherwise their consent and opinions dont matter."
You are retarded.